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Topic: #11 Michigan (0-1, 2-1) at #13 Wisconsin (1-0, 3-0) - Post Game

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#11 Michigan (0-1, 2-1) at #13 Wisconsin (1-0, 3-0) - Post Game
« on: September 09, 2019, 06:12:33 AM »
Don't want the Wisconsin season thread polluted with Michigan talk, so let's have this one a little early.

Both teams are idle this week.
« Last Edit: September 21, 2019, 03:42:15 PM by ELA »
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin - 2019/09/21
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2019, 07:49:16 AM »
Yes, they are indeed idle.   I appreciate the precision. 
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin - 2019/09/21
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2019, 07:54:15 AM »
To me it's pretty obvious Michigan will win the bye week.  Michigan has more to gain from the bye..a QB with a strained oblique, injured LT, DT, WR, and bruised knees all around on defense.  Not to mention more issues on offense to fix than you can shake a stick at.

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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2019, 08:12:04 AM »
In that light, UW is also hopeful it will get 3* starters back, along with 2 key reserves. The idle week is needed in Madison too.

* 4 were lost in the USF game, and 1 of those (S Scott Nelson) is now out for the season with an ACL.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2019, 10:15:10 AM »
Don't want the Wisconsin season thread polluted with Michigan talk
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2019, 11:49:07 AM »
Premature thread. You’re a week too early pal.

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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2019, 11:52:56 AM »
He said it was a little early.Michigan difference right there ;D
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2019, 12:00:13 PM »
Premature thread. You’re a week too early pal.
Neither team plays this week. Also, look at the thread title. :)
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2019, 12:12:53 PM »
Huge early season test for both teams.  I like that.  I also like that, as a non-divisional game, the loser will still control their own destiny to get to Indianapolis.  

Last week Michigan was #2 in the Power Rankings and Wisconsin was #3.  Based on the votes so far this week, Wisconsin is #2 and almost tied for #1 while Michigan is in a five-team jumble of teams all with average rankings between 4.31 and 5.81.  It is basically a five-way tie for 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th place.  

I think this game will tell us a lot.  

If Michigan wins:
With a win in Madison the Wolverines would move right back up to (or at least contending for) the #1 spot.  They would be seen as a B1G and National contender.  

If Wisconsin wins:
With a win over the Wolverines the Badgers would pick up some serious national respect.  The Badgers, of course, have shredded their two opponents so far but those opponents are a combined 1-3 with the only win coming against an FBS team.  The Badgers are ranked #14 and with a win here they will easily be a top-10 team and would likely hold onto that at least until they travel to the Shoe for what could be an epic top-10 or even top-5 showdown.  

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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2019, 01:02:59 PM »
I'm predicting a Wisconsin win. They'll have revenge on their mind for last years shallacking in Ann Arbor.

This new offense through 2 games.....has been complete ass. Patterson looks lost. I don't want to hear injury excuses. If he's really injured- then he should be on the bench and McCaffrey should be playing. The lone bright spots on this entire offense have been Zach Charbonnet, Tarik Black, and Nico Collins. Those three guys look like LEGIT, future NFL players. The rest of that offense is a shitshow. Patterson has flat out sucked. Ronnie Bell has butterfingers, Christian Turner can't pass block to save his life, and the OL has been a real big disappointment. The RS Frosh tackles Ryan Hayes and Jalen Mayfield just aren't ready for prime time. Maybe they will be towards the end of the season- but right now- NOPE. This offense sucks. I have a really hard time seeing it getting any better. DPJ coming back and Runyan coming back at LT should help- but not sure how 2 guys are just going to fix everything. There are sooooo many issues right now.

Michigan's D looks legit to me, and they will keep it close vs Wisconsin imo. MTSU scored 14 points in real time- their last long TD was garbage time with 1 min left in the game against 2nd and 3rd stringers- and both of their legit TD's in real game-time came off of good field position and Michigan turnovers. Army same thing- 14 points in regulation- and both TD's came off of good field position and Michigan turnovers.

Josh Uche, Josh Ross, Kwity Paye, and Aidan Hutchinson are legit front 7 players. Those guys are some DUDES. LaVert Hill, Ambry Thomas, and Vincent Gray look like as good of a CB trio as there is in this conference. They should be getting Dwumfour and Jeter back at DT this week, which should give the front 7 a huge shot in the arm. Khaleke Hudson continues to be a complete and utter disappointment. It is mind-boggling to me how the kid was such a stud as a sophomore, then regressed as a junior- and now looks lost as a senior. It blows my mind. You thought after that sophomore year that he was going to blossom into a star. It just hasn't happened. Metellus is a solid B1G starting safety, still not sold on Brad Hawkins and the other safeties. They need to start working Dax Hill in at safety and nickel right now. I have no clue what they are waiting for. He's the only one in that safety room that can out-athlete WR's in man-coverage and keep up with them. Michigan won't really face an offense that can exploit that until probably Ohio State. Get Dax Hill prepared for that now- don't wait til it's too late.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2019, 01:15:40 PM »
It will be interesting to see what Cephus & Co. can do with that defense. This is probably the deepest and most talented WR corps ever assembled in Madison.

If Taylor can get good yardage on the ground, Coan may have the necessary time off play-action to find those guys downfield. 
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2019, 02:02:50 PM »
It will be interesting to see what Cephus & Co. can do with that defense. This is probably the deepest and most talented WR corps ever assembled in Madison.

If Taylor can get good yardage on the ground, Coan may have the necessary time off play-action to find those guys downfield.
Michigan has 2 excellent CB's. Hill & Thomas are future NFL draft picks. I would think Hill projects as a 2nd-4th rd pick- like Jourdan Lewis before him- size is his only real limitation. Thomas- he could wind up being a 1st rd pick. He's that talented athletically and he's basically right at a legit 6ft whereas Hill might be 5'10 and change. Not only is Thomas taller than Hill, but he's longer and faster and more athletic. Looks like they just might have a 3rd NFL draft pick at CB in Vincent Gray. The RS Frosh Vincent Gray has been flat out excellent so far. He's 6'2+ and lanky, can cover ground in a hurry and he's physical and really gets after it in run support. It's super early- but he looks excellent so far. His future looks very, very bright.

For Wisconsin to have success in the passing game- they are going to have to attack the safeties and LB'ers. Don Brown LOVES to put those guys in man coverage. He loves it too much. Not sure Wisconsin has the style of offense to really exploit that though. Penn State got Mike McCray isolated in man coverage against Barkley and Geisicki and it was a disaster for Michigan's defense. Not sure Taylor is that sort of pass catching threat at RB and not sure Wisconsin has a TE quite as good as Geisicki was. Ohio State spread it out with 4 wide and WR's that all ran 4.4 or better and used crossing routes and pick routes to get guys running free- not sure that is Wisconsin's game on offense either.

Michigan's defense should match-up very well with Wisconsin's offense. This is the style of offense they typically have no trouble with. It's the "speed in space" stuff that gives them fits because their LB'ers and safeties just can't hold up in space in all that man coverage that Don Brown loves to play.

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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2019, 02:23:04 PM »
Ferguson is a very good tight end, but he hasn't hit his stride yet this season. I'm sure he'll get there because he showed flashes of stardom last season. 

Taylor already has 3 receiving TD's (8 total) this year, after dedicating the offseason to being a complete back. 

Cephus caught 2 TD's Saturday. One was for 36 and the other for 46. 

UW threw for 400 years and ran for 199. Kinda weird. I doubt we'll see this kind of offense against great defenses like Michigan has, but I will say that this is not last season's offense (or lack thereof).
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2019, 02:23:41 PM »
It will be interesting to see what Cephus & Co. can do with that defense. This is probably the deepest and most talented WR corps ever assembled in Madison.

If Taylor can get good yardage on the ground, Coan may have the necessary time off play-action to find those guys downfield.
I just refuse to believe that top part until later on. It’s a nice group, but I think the overall talent is a tad overstated. 

 

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