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Topic: #11 Michigan (0-1, 2-1) at #13 Wisconsin (1-0, 3-0) - Post Game

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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2019, 01:23:30 PM »
BTW, this by Gattis struck me as misguided.

"“He’s been banged up the past two weeks with oblique,” Gattis said. “Something that he’s struggled with since the first week of Middle Tennessee. That had no effect – I hope it had no effect on his decision-making from that standpoint. Like I said, every read run from the quarterback standpoint isn’t always going to be declared a pull. It’s numbers, angles, how tight is the defender, how wide is the defender? Is it too off the backside edge? There’s a lot of things that go into play there."

I dunno, that seems awfully complicated for a read the QB is supposed to make in a fraction of a second.
this is poor coaching then if Shea is hurt. If the kid is injured- then should be on the bench and McCaffrey should be playing. McCaffrey is a vastly superior runner to Shea anyway- and he makes better reads in the run game. I'm very close to just saying F it and jumping off the Shea bandwagon. I'm getting to the point where I'd like to see McCaffrey as the starter.

Shea has just been on a cliff dive since the Indiana game of last year. He ended the season with just piss poor showings vs Indiana, OSU, and Florida in the bowl game. And he's started this season with two absolute piss poor horrendus showings vs inferior opponents in MTSU and Army. That's 5 games in a row where the kid has just been bad or worse.

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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2019, 01:28:00 PM »
DPJ had 8 receiving TD's on only like 45 catches and he averaged just about 15 YPC last year. Kid is a freakish athlete- just hasn't been used properly.
Perhaps but both Gentry and Collins had over 16 YPC in the same offense,DPJ had 13 YPC but a nice 8 TDs.Again with Gentry gone he'll get his chances.Of Ms 3 WR Black has to-has to stay healthy this season.Otherwise the NFL will fade him
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2019, 01:30:14 PM »
this is poor coaching then if Shea is hurt. If the kid is injured- then should be on the bench and McCaffrey should be playing. McCaffrey is a vastly superior runner to Shea anyway- and he makes better reads in the run game.
Correct SP should sit until healthy if that is the case,but who knows or how bad?Two weeks will be telling
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2019, 01:31:01 PM »
Perhaps but both Gentry and Collins had over 16 YPC in the same offense,DPJ had 13 YPC but a nice 8 TDs.Again with Gentry gone he'll get his chances
The ball should be going less to the TE's and more to the WR's when you've got WR's this good. Problem with DPJ and his numbers this year will be his health though. He's already missed the first two games, might miss the 3rd vs Wisconsin. Hopefully he's back, but nothing has been announced yet.

Plus, Shea has just kinda been ass. He's missed a lot of open guys down the field already in just the first two games of the season. Throws that he has to make. Throws that elite QB's would make. I think the poor kid is getting Harbaugh'd. ANOTHER QB that has just regressed the more time he spends with Harbaugh. It's insane.

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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2019, 01:34:02 PM »
Does JH have a position coach there or is he it?
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2019, 01:38:58 PM »
The fumbles, penalties, and missed assignments by Michigan’s offense are real.  But the “turtle” play calling may have been intended to protect Patterson and give the D some rest.  There may be some sandbagging going on too.  I’m sure they had no intension of doing the full Monty against Army for Chryst.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2019, 01:46:01 PM »
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2019, 01:50:26 PM »
Does JH have a position coach there or is he it?
Not clear.  Ben McDaniels was the interim WR for the bowl game but is now the QB coach.  I believe I heard or read Gattis was coaching WRs.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2019, 01:58:00 PM »
QB coach McDaniels it is then,maybe M is sandbagging.One thing for sure they won't be on the 21st - hope it's a slobberknocker
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2019, 02:34:39 PM »
I don't see it, but if Michigan is truly that talented, across the board, then coaching is failing them.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2019, 02:45:36 PM »
The fumbles, penalties, and missed assignments by Michigan’s offense are real.  But the “turtle” play calling may have been intended to protect Patterson and give the D some rest.  There may be some sandbagging going on too.  I’m sure they had no intension of doing the full Monty against Army for Chryst.
It's one thing not to show Chryst the playbook, it's another to not score in the 4th quarter of a tie game, and to need double overtime to beat a service academy--a good one, no doubt, but still a service academy...at home. If the coaching staff thought it was worth the risk, they would have called the plays in the 4th quarter. That they didn't tells me that they weren't comfortable with the range of outcomes in that game, having nothing to do with showing anything to Wisconsin for a game two weeks later.

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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2019, 03:40:39 PM »
I don't see it, but if Michigan is truly that talented, across the board, then coaching is failing them.
Looked a lot more talented than Wisconsin last season. Hehe.

Michigan has some serious talent at WR. Coaching/QB play is failing those receivers. Zach Charbonnet is a really good true frosh RB too. Potentially even great. But he needs help. He can’t shoulder it all by himself. The two freshman tackles just aren’t ready yet, DPJ their best talent at WR hasn’t played and Patterson has been bad. Simple as that in my mind imo. Hard to pop on offense when both tackles are rookies that aren’t quite ready yet and the senior QB plays like ass.

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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2019, 04:03:59 PM »
Looked a lot more talented than Wisconsin last season. Hehe.
I can't remember a season when Michigan wasn't more talented than Wisconsin. But I do remember three Wisconsin Big Ten Championships this decade, and five appearances in the conference Championship game. I concede that I'm feeling like the next conference championship is a little overdue.

Oh, and I remember that Chryst was hired the same year as Harbaugh (2015), and has a better winning percentage overall and in the Big Ten. And I remember that Chryst and Harbaugh each coached their teams to a single major bowl game since 2015, each appearing in the Orange Bowl, which Wisconsin won, but Michigan lost.

Alas, I also remember that Chryst's Badgers are 1-3 vs. Harbaugh's Michigan. That bugs me. And I hope it improves on the 20th.

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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2019, 04:17:12 PM »
Slow your roll there. Chryst has had a heckuva run but the West has been a lot easier to navigate than the East has.

I think you’re gonna get your W. I just don’t see anyway Michigan wins in Camp Randall with Shea/the offense playing as bad as it has. Shea has sucked. Flat out. He’s fumbled I think 5 times in the first two games. One wasn’t his fault but the others all on him. Shea has made bad decisions in the read option game always giving it when there’s been plenty of opportunities for big plays if he had just kept it. He’s also missed like 8 legit big plays in the passing game with awful throws. The elite QBs make those throws and those plays. Hate to say it, but what I’m seeing out of Shea is serious suck. He’s just been BAD. To me that falls on his coaches. He’s regressed and he’s playing scared. If he doesn’t flip the switch and soon- time to bench him.

 

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