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Topic: #11 Michigan (0-1, 2-1) at #13 Wisconsin (1-0, 3-0) - Post Game

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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2019, 08:39:10 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 10, 2019, 01:31:01 PM
The ball should be going less to the TE's and more to the WR's when you've got WR's this good. Problem with DPJ and his numbers this year will be his health though. He's already missed the first two games, might miss the 3rd vs Wisconsin. Hopefully he's back, but nothing has been announced yet.

Plus, Shea has just kinda been ass. He's missed a lot of open guys down the field already in just the first two games of the season. Throws that he has to make. Throws that elite QB's would make. I think the poor kid is getting Harbaugh'd. ANOTHER QB that has just regressed the more time he spends with Harbaugh. It's insane.
They should start the freshman QB Cade McNamara having had the least of Harbaugh’s ruinous coaching.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2019, 08:47:17 AM »
On offense, Patterson and McCaffery won that game for Michigan last year, with their feet, in my opinion. They had 160 yards rushing and scored 2 TD's between them. That's huge.

The running games were essentially equal, outside of that. The receiving yards in that game were a wash. Only UW (!) scored a receiving TD.

M's defense scored 1 TD on a return from a terrible AH interception.

I think this game will look different because: 

UW will have a DL play with full depth (minus 2 starters last year, and subs were young - one was an OL playing DE) and experience.
UW now has experience in the secondary - very young last year, and they got a lot of experience.
UW QB play will be better. AH was terrible all season.
UW WR play will be better. Losing Cephus was bigger than anyone thought.
UW is much deeper than last season.

None of this means that UW will win. They just won't lose 38-13.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2019, 09:15:33 AM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 11, 2019, 12:37:26 AM
I don't believe that rank is correct. I believe they are presently tied at #2 with PSU in BCR and are set to retake #2 alone next year when the anomalous 2015 transition class leaves BCR consideration.
https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

Not that I am a big believer in this stuff. 
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2019, 09:19:06 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 11, 2019, 08:47:17 AM
None of this means that UW will win. They just won't lose 38-13.
And they're at CR,Dixon's gone also I believe
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #60 on: September 11, 2019, 09:32:09 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on September 11, 2019, 09:19:06 AM
And they're at CR,Dixon's gone also I believe
Yes, he was the lone starter, and he played hurt for much the season. He did not play against Michigan.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #61 on: September 11, 2019, 09:42:42 AM »
Michigan's defense held Army's offense to it's lowest yards per play average in 4 years. So there's that. Not sure Army ever even scores if not for all the turnovers by Michigan's offense.

I have a feeling this game will be an ugly defensive brawl. First one to 17 wins.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #62 on: September 11, 2019, 11:31:52 AM »
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #63 on: September 11, 2019, 11:34:02 AM »
« Last Edit: September 11, 2019, 11:40:22 AM by Anonymous Coward »
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #64 on: September 11, 2019, 11:35:22 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 11, 2019, 09:42:42 AM
Michigan's defense held Army's offense to it's lowest yards per play average in 4 years. So there's that. Not sure Army ever even scores if not for all the turnovers by Michigan's offense.

I have a feeling this game will be an ugly defensive brawl. First one to 17 wins.
It's not meaningless, but what it means is that Michigan was great at uniquely defending Army's triple option. Which doesn't predict anything about the season going forward.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #65 on: September 11, 2019, 11:40:23 AM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 11, 2019, 11:31:52 AM
  (advantage Harbaugh)
He always has the advantage because he coaches at Michigan. He also does less with more than any coach in the conference.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #66 on: September 11, 2019, 11:42:23 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 11, 2019, 08:47:17 AM

UW will have a DL play with full depth (minus 2 starters last year, and subs were young - one was an OL playing DE) and experience.

None of this means that UW will win. They just won't lose 38-13.
the big kid from Lincoln is healthy?
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #67 on: September 11, 2019, 11:43:02 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 11, 2019, 11:40:23 AM
He always has the advantage because he coaches at Michigan. He also does more with less than any coach in the conference.
The joke is that he's blue. But yeah Harbaugh has the advantage over Chryst for a real reason, because when you control for the difference in schedule strength (looking at S&P+, common opponents, and H2H as detailed on the last page), Harbaugh has clearly gotten Michigan to perform at the higher level (2015-2018).
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #68 on: September 11, 2019, 11:46:44 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 11, 2019, 11:40:23 AM
He always has the advantage because he coaches at Michigan. He also does more with less than any coach in the conference.
Dantonio has a great argument for doing more with less. 

I’d argue that Harbs does less with more than any coach in the conference. And I’d argue that his teams have basically quit on him come Bowl season.
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Re: #10 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) @ #14 Wisconsin (2-0, 0-0) - 2019/09/21
« Reply #69 on: September 11, 2019, 11:51:14 AM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on September 11, 2019, 02:44:44 AM


S&P+ (overall team score, national rank):

                            (advantage Harbaugh)


Head to head:
  • Harbaugh 2, Chryst 1                                    (advantage Harbaugh)

Versus the East, excluding H2H:
  • Harbaugh 17-7 (0.708), Chryst 6-4 (0.600)    (advantage Harbaugh)

Versus the West, excluding H2H:
  • Harbaugh 6-1 (0.857), Chryst 20-4 (0.833)    (advantage Harbaugh)


Common Big Ten opponents:
Versus Illinois:

  • Harbaugh 1-0 (1.000), Chryst 4-0 (1.000)  (neither's advantage)

Versus Indiana:

  • Harbaugh 4-0 (1.000), Chryst 1-0 (1.000)      (neither's advantage)

Versus Iowa:
  • Harbaugh 0-1 (0.000), Chryst 3-1 (0.750)      (advantage Chryst)

Versus Maryland:

  • Harbaugh 4-0 (1.000), Chryst 2-0 (1.000)      (neither's advantage)

Versus Michigan State:
  • Harbaugh 2-2 (0.500), Chryst 1-0 (1.000)      (advantage Chryst)

Versus Minnesota:

  • Harbaugh 2-0 (1.000), Chryst 3-1 (0.750)      (advantage Harbaugh)

Versus Nebraska:
  • Harbaugh 1-0 (1.000), Chryst 4-0 (1.000)      (neither's advantage)

Versus Northwestern:
  • Harbaugh 2-0 (1.000), Chryst 2-2 (0.500)      (advantage Harbaugh)

Versus Ohio State:

  • Harbaugh 0-4 (0.000), Chryst 0-2 (0.000)      (neither's advantage)

Versus Penn State:

  • Harbaugh 3-1 (0.750), Chryst 0-2 (0.000)        (advantage Harbaugh)

Versus Purdue:
  • Harbaugh 1-0 (1.000), Chryst 4-0 (1.000)      (neither's advantage)

Versus Rutger:
  • Harbaugh 4-0 (1.000), Chryst 2-0 (1.000)      (neither's advantage)


Common OOC opponents:
Michigan and Wisconsin did have BYU in common (advantage Harbaugh)


[An admission about using common opponents. Aggregating 2015-2018 means that these common opponents are sometimes shared on different years. Nevertheless, that just means it falls short of perfect. It's still a reasonable way to compare asymmetric schedule strength]
I love this new addition to "the Speech." Except leave out the 0-4 vs. Ohio State and 2-2 vs. Michigan State--I don't think the fans will like those.

Michigan's gotta have something when it doesn't have conference championships...

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