Las Vegas Bowl looks really good tomorrow.One of the Arizona State Alumni chapters happens to host their gamewatch parties right down the street from my new apartment, so today I’ll drop by for a few Pacificos.
Is he coaching the Bowl game?I thought I heard he was. I didn't actually watch any of it.
I thought I heard he was. I didn't actually watch any of it.I had it on in the background, but started playing closer attention and I believe you are correct.
Today's winners were Appy St, Utah St, Tulane and FresnoAnd Georgia Southern
I had it on in the background, but started playing closer attention and I believe you are correct.Local paper says he just talked to the team a little before but was mostly uninvolved with the game.
They've had 3 10+ win seasons in their history. This one, the one that got CGA the Wisconsin job, and one in between.
And Georgia SouthernThat bowl is a reminder that even the low-end bowls provide a lot if you want to look for the good.
Did I stumble across a field with red turf yesterday? I switched channels after blinking a couple of times, though my TV had fritzed.You've never seen the blood field?
That was horrible.
That bowl is a reminder that even the low-end bowls provide a lot if you want to look for the good.I think I saw they have like 13 losses over the past two years, and all but 1 have been one score losses, including 5 in OT.
GSU wins on a walk-off field goal.
GSU went from great, to awful, to 10 wins again as they readopted the option. They have a fun 900-yard runner at QB, three good backs and a solid little defense.
EMU is likely the worst program in FBS, but has managed two bowls in the past three seasons. They keep playing crazy close games.
I think I saw they have like 13 losses over the past two years, and all but 1 have been one score losses, including 5 in OT.Those close games suggest a breakthrough could come eventually, and then he’s gone.
No clue how nobody hasn't scooped up that coach. That has been a dormant program for three decades. Tough to be fifth fiddle in a state that doesn't produce much talent.
What about the smurf-turf at Boise St?I would grandfather that one in, it's heinous to be sure, but it's been there a while.
I would grandfather that one in, it's heinous to be sure, but it's been there a while.Same. I don't like it, but at least it's original. The copycat ones are just awful, and they are popping up increasingly in high school fields.
But when replaced, it shall be green, unless it is in Kentucky.
What about the smurf-turf at Boise St?I'd change it to green, just because it was original and has been that way a couple decades doesn't make it right
Off by a day. Have a matchup of conference chamos tonight.Bobcats-Aztecs tonight(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BLdNshPke0Y/maxresdefault.jpg)
I would grandfather that one in, it's heinous to be sure, but it's been there a whileThat grandfather was one cranky,belligerent old battle axe
Fearless Frankie LOOOOOKing GOOD!Bobcats-Aztecs tonight(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BLdNshPke0Y/maxresdefault.jpg)
Just realized we've only had 2 days of bowl games, and all 4 mid-major champs who didn't get the NY6 auto-bid have already played.they all did pretty good, too, except the one where 2 were matched up.
Working in San Diego this week, going down to the Gaslamp district to check out the local happy hour support for this one.Bobcats-Aztecs tonight
Working in San Diego this week, going down to the Gaslamp district to check out the local happy hour support for this one.You are a lucky bastage. Too bad @PiratesRoost (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=22) is no longer posting here. He'd probably buy you all the drinks you want, assuming he still lives down there.
NC A&T beat Alcorn St in the Celebration Bowl.That was on Saturday, right? I think I had it on in the background whilst cooking.
Yeah. I had forgotten about it.Solich closes out another nine-win season. He’s been very solid to good at a very bad job. Good on him.
I wonder if anyone was flagged for excessive celebration in the Celebration Bowl?
Idaho is a beautiful state. It's not well known, but the territory was originally settled by a lady of ill reputeI guess Idaho sounded better than Skanky-ho
Working in San Diego this week, going down to the Gaslamp district to check out the local happy hour support for this one.Welcome to [sorta] my neck of the woods!
Solich is a solid coach and a derned fine manFrank prolly would have been much better than the circus that followed - that was some tough sledding for the Bug Eaters
not sure he was going to win conference championships at UNL, he hasn't won too many MAC championships
Is it a bad job? I would think Ohio would be one of the better MAC jobs.You’d think, but for some reason no. Between 1977 and Solich’s arrival, they went 96-109. They had five winning seasons, an 8-3, a 7-4 and three 6-5s.
You have to appreciate the Ohio turnpike still having lane closures due to construction with no construction workers present on the weekend before Christmas I'm probably the busiest travel day of the year. They always make you earn their wonderful rest stopsI'd tell you it's their way of keeping traffic moving safely but they're not that forward thinking.Still like it better than PA. - I thought i was going thru Transylvania,didn't stop to take a leak as I thought I'd run into Vlad
geez, the carnitas sounded good enough, but smoked beef ribs?!?!?There's a place in town that sometimes does beef ribs and did so today.I abstained because I've eaten poorly all week, and project to eat poorly all next week.
dern solid meals
I've decided that my brother's Xmas gift will be a trip to Louie Mueller's in Taylor for a beef rib next month.
off for a pre-match Schooner then to the simulator
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Did Houston even scout Army's offense? Or was it a case of, if Ed's not playing, we're not playing?I want to say many things defending the voracity of the triple, and I still hold to all that.
It is definitely my favorite part of the state. I'm not an urban football player though.Damn, I had you pegged wrong this whole time!
When are the bowls going to stop tricking us into watching WAC-level football? Can it be the 29th yet?Secret. If you do not want to watch the thing, I have a quick solution for you.
Secret. If you do not want to watch the thing, I have a quick solution for you.I stand by my belief that in a vacuum a million bowls is a non-issue, but it's impact on the regular season is not.
I really wish UW got Nashville instead of New York. Then they could have played Auburn. Again. Instead of Miami. Again.I have a thought on this that I'll get to in my response to ELA's post.
I stand by my belief that in a vacuum a million bowls is a non-issue, but it's impact on the regular season is not.Interesting, I find myself on the other side of it, but because I think the death of the selection order was in a way liberating.
Between it being so easy to qualify and abolishing the selection order within the conferences, it's made a ton of the regular season meaningless. Every win from like 6 to 9 has no impact on anything.
I stand by my belief that in a vacuum a million bowls is a non-issue, but it's impact on the regular season is not.I don't think, to fans of a program, that any win has "no impact on anything".
Between it being so easy to qualify and abolishing the selection order within the conferences, it's made a ton of the regular season meaningless. Every win from like 6 to 9 has no impact on anything.
From yesterday...That looks killer man. Tell us what you did.
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That looks killer man. Tell us what you did.Worcestershire sauce, salt, pepper, ancho chile powder. On the smoker with hickory smoking wood until tender. Easy .
Secret. If you do not want to watch the thing, I have a quick solution for you.I don't watch. But if these G5 q-tip jousts weren't on, maybe they'd spread out the bowls with real, viable football programs.
watching Wisconsin USC bowl game on BTN nowI felt odd, walking into a Phoenix-area Wallgreens and seeing a guy with a purple Chad Greenway jersey on. Go Hawkeyes?!
chili is in the pot
Vikings/Lions coming up!
my buddy from Michigan is on his way - Lions fan
I don't think, to fans of a program, that any win has "no impact on anything".Nope. 6-6 is the same as 9-3. Your bowl selection is totally random. There used to be significance to being in the Outback over the Sun or whatever. Now it's a crapshoot. Once we got bowl eligible, whatever. I did not care one bit that we lost to OSU or Nebraska.
You don't think fans care whether you're 6-6 or 9-3?
Getting to 6 is a big thing. But I would have MUCH preferred to be facing Indiana at 7-4, trying for our 8th win of the season, rather than 5-6, just trying to get that 6th.
Yes, bowl selection is more of a crapshoot now, especially since some of those lower-tier bowls are shooting for 5 unique teams in 6 years.
But nobody ever thought the difference between the Music City Bowl and the Quick Lane Bowl was meaningful anyway. Once you get beyond the top tier of bowls, you're just happy to be going somewhere at all.
Army drops 70 damn points on Houston. Very nice.A good running game is what our country wants from our Army. The result was surprising.
Four passes for 85 yards. 58 carries for 500-plus and eight TDs.
I don't watch. But if these G5 q-tip jousts weren't on, maybe they'd spread out the bowls with real, viable football programs.They probably wouldn’t, and don’t worry, GT-Minnesota and Cal-TCU will be on before you know it.
Nope. 6-6 is the same as 9-3. Your bowl selection is totally random. There used to be significance to being in the Outback over the Sun or whatever. Now it's a crapshoot. Once we got bowl eligible, whatever. I did not care one bit that we lost to OSU or Nebraska.Ok, now I feel like this is tongue in cheek. Right?
Army drops 70 damn points on Houston. Very nice.I didn't watch this game but the stats are mind boggling.
Four passes for 85 yards. 58 carries for 500-plus and eight TDs.
225 degrees? or 250?Ran at about 275 or so... Was worried it wouldn't finish in time at 225.
Ran at about 275 or so... Was worried it wouldn't finish in time at 225.285 is my standard for beef ribs. No worries at all at your temp. And they looked great, bet they tasted great too.
I didn't watch this game but the stats are mind boggling.hah, they obviously used the pass to set up the run
285 is my standard for beef ribs. No worries at all at your temp. And they looked great, bet they tasted great too.Yeah, I've been experimenting with higher temps. For beef, I understand most of the competition folks have moved up to 275. And if it's good enough for Aaron Franklin, it's all fine for me.
285 is also pretty much my new standard for brisket, too. No difference in flavor/texture, and it cooks way way faster. Only trick is that you have to watch the fire a little closer. A 50 degree spike at 225 isn't going to hurt, a 50-degree spike at 285 needs to be handled immediately.
My Mom always controlled any prime rib in our house. She used to make a sign on the oven door threatening the four males to stay away.Oh, threats were made :)
Yeah, I've been experimenting with higher temps. For beef, I understand most of the competition folks have moved up to 275. And if it's good enough for Aaron Franklin, it's all fine for me.The competition folks I know are generally around 315. They're typically using offsets and have to watch it closely. The nice thing about 225 is that it's completely fool-proof, even beginners can get it completely perfect. Unless they undercook it which is a common mistake.
I've even done pork shoulder at 350. Works great and I can do it in the morning instead of trying to run the smoker all night.
In the kamado, temps don't spike, which is nice. Once the vents are set and the temp is stable, it barely varies a few degrees for hours and hours and hours...
Ok, now I feel like this is tongue in cheek. Right?No. I'd have preferred winning to losing. But I felt nothing after the loss because the result had no impact on anything. We weren't going to Indy, or to the NY6, and whatever bowl we wound up in at that point had nothing to do with how we did in those games.
No. I'd have preferred winning to losing. But I felt nothing after the loss because the result had no impact on anything. We weren't going to Indy, or to the NY6, and whatever bowl we wound up in at that point had nothing to do with how we did in those games.Interesting. The sort of imbalances of bowl season ended up making the regular season success more intrinsically valuable for me. I kind of stopped thinking of playing for a spot at 10 on New Year’s morning, perhaps because I got tired of valuing that as a specific playout.
No. I'd have preferred winning to losing. But I felt nothing after the loss because the result had no impact on anything. We weren't going to Indy, or to the NY6, and whatever bowl we wound up in at that point had nothing to do with how we did in those games.Wow... That's more jaded than I expected of you, ELA...
In some ways I actually like the idea that the bowls try to rotate teams non-sensically in order to ensure that the same fan base doesn't end up at the same location multiple years in a row.I kinda like it too, for three reasons:
Finally get to watch a bowl game since I'm working from home this week, and it's canceled due to lightning.No kidding. Glad they played that game in the south. Would have sucked to be indoors in Minneapolis
Granted, the fans who traveled for the game and got to see about 1 quarter of football have a lot more to gripe about than I, but still...
can't believe there weren't higher powers who said you absolutely can't cancel a bowl game like this. All that money in travel and missed Christmas. To know this is a possibility, has to hurt future bowl travel in general, not to mention the headaches the schools are going to face in people demanding money back. The fans who travelled to this one probably weren't a bunch of joe schmoes who have no leverage to demand such things |
couldn't they stay overnight in some run down closed up dorms and played the remainder of the game tomorrow?Panzies.
couldn't they stay overnight in some run down closed up dorms and played the remainder of the game tomorrow?I have to imagine Dallas has plenty of openings on December 26
Is there an area more apathetic about college football than the Bay Area? Why does Santa Clara even bother? Might as well have the NCG in Time Square.....I dunno, I don't think it's that bad.
Is there an area more apathetic about college football than the Bay Area? Why does Santa Clara even bother? Might as well have the NCG in Time Square.....New England
Umm, yah where is the review?If there is not enough evidence to overturn, they HAVE to call incomplete, right?
Either incomplete, or TD are the only 2 options, and the refs say nope mark it at the 3.
If there is not enough evidence to overturn, they HAVE to call incomplete, right?O. M. Goodness! That call can NOT be held.
I mean, in my view that was clearly a touchdown. But if the call on the field is that he stepped out with THE FOOT THAT WOULD HAVE MADE IT A LEGAL CATCH, I don't see how "the call stands" and keeping it a catch makes any sense.Neither do I.
And come on... You're gonna say that the official was all over the whistle in the 3 yards between the catch and the end zone?
I don't get it.
I get your complaint, as the western US in general isn't as CFB-aligned as a lot of the rest of the country. But I wouldn't say that the Bay Area is terrible... And I think it's better than NYC.way better
Outrushing the Jackets is no small feat.Jackets were not playing Houston
I feel like the end of this season may have been a program turning pointI sure hope this leads to something more. they get a lot of people back next year (in case you havent heard) the Gophers were one of the youngest teams in all of college football
Hopefully UW can maintain tomorrow.Driving the in-laws van to Florida tonight and tomorrow. According to the interwebs I can listen to the Wisconsin/Miami game on Sirius 84 so I'll be doing that. I hope so too, would be great to get off to a 2-0 start!
Driving the in-laws van to Florida tonight and tomorrow. According to the interwebs I can listen to the Wisconsin/Miami game on Sirius 84 so I'll be doing that. I hope so too, would be great to get off to a 2-0 start!If you have bluetooth to the radio, there's also TuneIn Radio. I got the [free] app for my phone and have been able to listen to every Purdue football or basketball game when on the road and can't watch.
Well, Purdue and Iowa are dogs to unmotivated SEC teams, so maybe one of them can win ;-)
If all the favorites win we'll finish 4-5. Hopefully the favorites can hold and at least one of our underdogs and pull off an upset.
A repeat of last year with everyone winning except for the Wolverines would be ideal.\One of the last, if not the last post by Marcel (@nuwildcat ) was one where he was commending all of the B1G Bowl teams (except Michigan of course). Sad.
That GaTech offense often does poorly in bowls because of time for preparation against it.apparently, Houston did not use their preparation time well
And, this is the last we'll see of it anyway, yay.
apparently, Houston did not use their preparation time wellI think it tends to be a little confirmation bias, granted Tech did eat it. Bowls are weird.
Went to the pistol range today w 2 old men and my Dad. Good times. Lots of young people out today too. Somebody had a particularly loud weapon .Older Men at the Firing Range - YouTube
This Duke Temple game got a lot less interesting as soon as I turned it onWith Herbert coming back, Daniel Jones made himself some money today.
Badgers allowing Miami to keep this a gameBucky better stop faffing around.They should have at least 6 more pts,at least.Luckily The Canes left their offense in Coral Gables
Gags is right.Great nick name - at least tonite
edit: I guess when Chryst needs a mulligan for his possible hot seat, come on down Miami! Feels like I watch a bowl between the Canes & Badgers every other year going back to the crocodile neck coach who tried to be a Razorback.I think his seat is far from hot.
Coan isn't helpingI am amazed at the production the Wiscy rushing offense gets when the QB doesn't run and can't throw.
just run the ball
I think his seat is far from hot.I agree re: Paul, but with the questioning and level of misery I’ve seen Badger fans bitching on their own board this season you would think they’d rather miss out on a Bowl and focus on recruiting.
This is a demolitionNot even as close as the scoreboard. I started watching hockey.
I am pleased they broke out the game plan from the 2015 outback bowl. I’m also impressed at how truly awful the Miami offense isJimmy's D had a little bit to say about that. And HCPC is mumbling somewhere...
Ya know what? I'm very happy with this finish. 5 bowl wins in a row. Auburn, USC, Miami^2 and the undefeated row boats from WMU. Bowl wins make the 9 months a whole lot easier to get through.This is why bowls will remain. 30 teams get a nice little finish to the crappiest of seasons.
I'm randomly thinking Miami is tired of playing UW, kinda like UCLA was 17 years ago. UW being the dog in all of the games, I think, including last year. Ah well.
People forget Coan is a good athlete. If, and it's a very big IF, Hornibrook comes back, there needs to be a true QB race in the Spring. Coan was a decorated LX player in HS. The kid is tough and he can run. That, and you have the highest rated QB recruit in UW history coming in January. Open it up.
Randomly thinking Part 2. Everyone stay away from Jim Leonhard. He's a Badger. Bugger off.
Beautiful sight. Badgers cleansing their souls by smashing a team from the south. I love this.not just the south
Maybe the issue is with Wisconsin as other teams seem able to attract OOC opponents.On the docket for the future is Notre Dame (Green Bay/Chicago - not home/away), and H/A with Washington State, Virginia Tech, Pitt and UCLA. They also have an H/A with Hawaii, which is cool for the kids, and games set up at USF and home with Army.
As I have noted, other programs similar to Wisconsin seem able to schedule "helmet schools" OOC.UCLA (and the like) is about the best they will get, to come to Madison. Helmets will play Wisconsin on a neutral site, for sure. Might have something to do with UW's home record over the past 25 years. It's 80%. Bama's is 79. Michigan's is 78. Texas is 77. But one of those is not like the others, right?
Why can UCLA attract "helmet" opponents? Why can other similar programs do the same?Fertile recruiting grounds, perhaps. Why else would UW do a H/A with USF?
Playing Georgia has a lot more cache than playing Wisconsin.Maybe it does, but why does Georgia schedule programs like UCLA?
If recruiting was the driving force, then the helmets would be lining up to play @Wisconsin in order to line their pockets with some of those gigantic OLineman.They wouldn't know what to do with them if they got them. The concept of developing guys who don't show up looking like NFL players is foreign to most of them
why wait a couple years when you can simply recruit NFL guys and insert them into the 2-deep?Right, I don't blame them.
Why does ESPN feel the need to overhype the CFP during other bowl games? If you are watching the Music City Bowl, you know the playoffs are tomorrow.AMEN to this post. AMEN three time.
They wouldn't know what to do with them if they got them. The concept of developing guys who don't show up looking like NFL players is foreign to most of themDing ding ding. I wonder if any OSU fans knew who Michael Deiter (Genoa, OH) was 5 years ago. Just an example.
AMEN to this post. AMEN three time.Mrs. 847 was waiting last night to watch the Clemson/ND game after the Badgers got done. I told her that wasn't until Saturday, and she said "Why are they spending so much time on it during the Badger game?"
I was tired of it last year as well. YES WE KNOW WHO PLAYS WHEN!!!!#^$%^$Y&^%*&#*&
I feel a bit saddened for Mark Richt. I can't help him any of course. He's a truly nice guy (most of the time).I think most nice guys would wan't to be in his tough spot
I fear he's just in a bad spot.
Gotta help. Hopefully the defense will get some energy from that... Now they know that if you give the offense the ball, they can not only score, but they can sustain a drive and score.Purdue is just completely overmatched on both sides of the lines, to the point Auburn realized they didn’t even need to worry about Stidham’s first few inaccurate passes. They could simply reel off 10 yard runs because their OL was so much stronger than Purdue’s defensive front. Honestly think Auburn is a little surprised by the ease they’re having; they likely expected the Purdue that showed took down the Buckeyes.
Looks like ole Brutus was right about teams crashing back to Earth after playing possessed vs the Buckeyes.Perhaps, but the national story line will be that THIS is why Ohio State is not in the playoffs. Ohio State lost to THIS. The Big Ten sucks, and all that.
I feel a bit saddened for Mark Richt. I can't help him any of course. He's a truly nice guy (most of the time).Why?
I fear he's just in a bad spot.
yeah, but Auburn is motivated todayBecause teams get motivated to play games and win?
the question is why?
Looks like ole Brutus was right about teams crashing back to Earth after playing possessed vs the Buckeyes.This remains a highly generous interpretation. Teams that lose to Eastern Michigan are often not great. That one of the most talented teams in the country couldn’t do the same might just say something about that talented team.
Because their hopes and dreams were not dashed in their previous game. Why is this so hard to understand?Missouri won that bowl. Ohio State was in a shootout and led late in the fourth. Iowa, well Iowa wasn’t all that good.
2018 teams eligible to not play motivated:
Michigan
Georgia
2017
Auburn - L
Wisconsin - W
2016
Michigan - L
2015
Iowa - L
2014
N/A
2013
Missouri - L
Ohio State - L
These teams were going to be in the NCCG or CFP, but lost their last game of the season, rendering their big goals moot. Only one of them won in such a case. This isn't some convoluted BS, based on Bama losing to Utah in 2008, it's a real, live thing. It doesn't guarantee a loss in their bowl game, but it does guarantee these 21 year old kids have less to play for than they did the game before, and often times, this affects their play. Period.
Sometimes, stuff just clicks for a team.I side with this option
I'm not right about stuff very often, but have seen this narrative unfold on countless occasions.I will agree with half of this.......
I will agree with half of this.......I spit up my lemonade on this one.......😂
I spit up my lemonade on this one.......😂Lemonade? With Tito's, I hope.
See, this is why Fearless is Larry the Cable Guy.Ultimate Pot-Stirrer - UPS
Syracuse is a decent team.No doubt. WVU would be a lot better if they had the QB who signed up to be a part of their team, but quit.
Missouri won that bowl. Ohio State was in a shootout and led late in the fourth. Iowa, well Iowa wasn’t all that good.Thanks, corrected it.
Bowls are weird and stupid, and finding patterns in them is often suspect. On the plus side, if this means UGA will loss, that’d be fine.
No doubt. WVU would be a lot better if they had the QB who signed up to be a part of their team, but quit.This is the crap that makes me want to go back to pre-1949 "bowls are just for fun" rules. Anything outside of the playoff is becoming "NFL kids don't want to get hurt and young talent needs some game experience" time. It's not a genuine competition. It doesn't matter if you finish ranked 12th or 17th, the season didn't end in a championship.
Thanks, corrected it.I mean, a four-point favorite lost by one possession after leading in the fourth quarter. What a sign they just didn’t have it.
"Was in a shootout" just explains away a loss? Mmmkay.
This playoff crap is wrecking the game we love. But WE are the minority. I went to the gym today to get training from my guy, who is a ND "fan", because he's a Catholic. He loves the playoffs because he's an Eastern Illinois grad and a Bears fan. There are more of those than there are of us.I think there’s a natural human instinct to want to feel put upon. And let’s face it, we’re often trashing the game we love.
What a crock of crap. NFL Lite. Enjoy, until you don't. Hopefully our love of cooking and food and drink will keep us together here.
I like all the bowls too, on green turf, but I'm fearful that eventually attendance and viewership is going to fall so badly, they will start to go away to the point that all we have is the playoff. The wonks went to an NFL model. The NFL doesn't have bowl games.Maybe. But recently bowl games have been a cheap cash grab. It isn't like the Cheeze It Bowl is some historical college tradition. It's just in the last ten years that .500 teams and below were allowed to play. Since the bowl games don't pay the actual people playing in the game, their costs are mostly minimal, and they just need a sponsor and a television contract to finance the operation.
Now the bowls are trying to drive fans awaynothing for Clone fans to be proud of, but................. they are
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our love of cooking and food and drink will keep us together here.When the routine bites hard
About ready for the one time a year I root for Michigan only to be let downdon't do it!
Some bowls have some attendance, yes, but they are rarely full.TV is the deal, but since these small bowls are usually close to breaking even an extra 10,000 in the seats can make the difference
The gate is a something unless they give away a lot of those tickets to whoevers, but the naming rights and TV rights is probably the main deal.
Maybe. But recently bowl games have been a cheap cash grab. It isn't like the Cheeze It Bowl is some historical college tradition. It's just in the last ten years that .500 teams and below were allowed to play. Since the bowl games don't pay the actual people playing in the game, their costs are mostly minimal, and they just need a sponsor and a television contract to finance the operation.The Chees It Bowl has been around in some form or another since 1989.
Still some time for my annual rant on how the national championship game should be on SaturdayHell yes. Who in their right mind schedules that for a Monday night?
Hell yes. Who in their right mind schedules that for a Monday night?Monday night football works for me
I remember this. One year in probably the mid-90's my dad, brother, and I drove around town looking for an open bar at 10am on NYD because the Buckeyes were in the Outback and we didn't have cable.the internet is good for somethings
I haven't focused on UF a whole bunch, but Franks seems to be terrible.FIFY
Franks is usually mediocre. He can run a bit.Yes. Yes he can.
Franks is usually mediocre. He can run a bit.He wouldn't be if Bush had played.
Patterson is really good. They need to unleash that boy.Patrick Mahomes according to the announcers
And then Patterson makes like Hornibrook and throws a red zone pick. I'm a dumbass.That was a pretty sweet play by the nickel, though...peeling off like that.
I haven't focused on UF a whole bunch, but Franks seems to have terrible vision.He's always had poor vision, but if you're referring to the open guy in the endzone as he rolled out, earlier this year, he'd probably make the easy TD toss. But since the South Carolina game, they're just wanting him to stop worrying about the late-play "maybe" passes, just to tuck it and run. It's getting him to utilize a strength of his, but yes, at the expense of those types of completions.
Tough to beat a team five times in a row.Ohio State disagrees.
Ohio State disagrees.Just pour salt into the wound next time.
Think #7 is cool with Gary and Bush sitting out?I am going to go with a big fat NOOOO!
Screw OAM and his attempts to say Florida doesn't play the SEC card.Well we are 0-2 now with two blowouts....
I didn't hear any chanting, just some stray whiteboard no one is using.....:57:And the Florida players pointing and framing it proudly...
...the cameraman probably wrote it....
Yeah, but UVA isn't in the B10....yet.Lol
And the Florida players pointing and framing it proudly...<br />(https://i.ibb.co/8jGbssV/f4ee8e3ebbae411a81f636426b68891d.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8jGbssV)<br />
Because their hopes and dreams were not dashed in their previous game. Why is this so hard to understand?Ahem.
2018 teams eligible to not play motivated:
Michigan
Georgia
2017
Auburn - L
Wisconsin - W
2016
Michigan - L
2015
Iowa - L
2014
N/A
2013
Missouri - W
Ohio State - L
These teams were going to be in the NCCG or CFP, but lost their last game of the season, rendering their big goals moot. Only two of them won in such a case. This isn't some convoluted BS, based on Bama losing to Utah in 2008, it's a real, live thing. It doesn't guarantee a loss in their bowl game, but it does guarantee these 21 year old kids have less to play for than they did the game before, and often times, this affects their play. Period.
ND is balls out.. fired up and trying... Clemson is playing like Clemson... they play like FSU of nineties vintage. meaning, the play 30 minutes of football- you just don't know when they'll start playing and when they'll stop- but you can be sure it'll be 30 minutes- no more, no less.But when the balls-to-the-wall team doesn't get a lead while playing that way, they run out of gas and get curb-stomped.
Yeah, when Clemson finally decides to play this is gonna get ugly. Clemson just got the call on the k/o fumble. This may be what kickstarts them.In making that call- they had to assume a football is flat.
In making that call- they had to assume a football is flat.That's what I was thinking too. Now we know who is supposed to win at least. That was far from conclusive evidence.
UVA skunked USCe 28-0. SEC.Granted the game sucked, but that was a half decent matchup to be buried during a NY6 game.
Not another Bama-Clemson.For variety's sake it would be good. Perfect matchup for a late Monday night game. ESPN will KILL IT in the Alabama and South Carolina markets.
Bama just rolling like it's practice....OU doesn't have a yard. Ugh. Why did anyone think it'd be otherwise?We were optimistic that eventually we'd get good semifinals. We got one in 2014 and one in 2017. That's it.
Bama may be that good. At least ND hung in there for a while.Yeah, I'd love to bash ND, and while they didn't have a shot, that one was closer than the scoreboard indicated.
Bama may scorch Clemson.
Does this ND loss "color" their odds of making the playoffs in the near future?It should. They just scraped by a lot of teams this season and the don't play a 13th game like the rest of the teams (or Bama if you don't win your division.. different topic).
I suspect it might. They are getting trounced.
Not another Bama-Clemson.To include tonight’s games there been what (?) - 10 or 12 semi final games and only two have been worth watching after halftime? Last year’s Georgia-Oklahoma and the 2014 Bama-Ohio State. NFL definitely has a better down-the-stretch product this season.
those two won't have much drop, if any either @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) .... dang it. it's pretty clear at this point the country needs Saban to retire.If Saban retired this year, Georgia would just replace the Tide, at least for a time. They're nearly their equal already, and the last 2-3 Dawg classes have the most 5* guys in the nation, by far. Plus, it would take a couple of years for whoever replaced Saban to poo the bed, and there's Clemson to consider.
Well, it seems clear these are the "two best teams" and the BCS would have worked fine this year.I agree.
I don't have an issue with ND and OU being selected, they were the logical 3 and 4 teams, it's just there was a gap this year. Last year 3 and 4 played in the NC. The committee has been choosing the same teams I'd choose.
If the Rose Bowl was locked in as the NCG with auto-bids for Conference Champions, everyone would have preseason goals of beating their rival, winning their Conference, and winning the Rose Bowl. Same exact goals as your big ten team had back in the big bad seventies.Worst decade ever?
Everyone knew ND was a paper tiger. They were only in the "four best teams" because they squeaked through into being undefeated. Just like they did in 2012. Similar results.So... this comment got me thinkings, about the questions of paper tigers, deserving and such.
A current Honda Accord will outrun most of those early 70's "muscle cars", with a few exceptions.the 70 Nova SS with 300hp 350 matches the 2018 Accord within a tenth of a sec in 0-60 and a a tenth quicker in the 1/4 mile
And be a LOT nicer to drive and handle curves.
We take for granted how fast current cars are these days. I had a 1973 Nova with a 350 in it that the mags said would run 0-60 in 8.2 seconds. That is the same as my old Chevy Sonic that the daughter has now. The GTI would leave just about anything of that era in the weeds.
I'm 38, and the 70s, to my age group, seem like the worst decade, going back a ways. The 60s had the cool cars and the 50s/60s had innocence and music and apple pie. The 80s music far exceeds the 70s....the clothes in the 70s were absurd. Disco? Was brown plaid the color of the decade? Just no redeeming qualities.Don't forget the multi-patterned, multi-colored shag carpeting, green appliances and plastic covers for furniture.
And THIS:dude!
every decade does
The sixties had a lot of bad spots in them.
Notre Dame is 0-6 in BCS/NY6 bowls, with an average margin of defeat of 24 points. Their closest loss was by 14 to Ohio State in the 2006 Fiesta BowlSpeaking of decades, seems like a good spot to me, even if it’s a little longer that’s a decade.
Thanks, corrected it.Your hypothesis that kids losing their next to last game, ending aspirations of National title chance, causes them to not play as hard; is in fact refuted by the "it was a close game" counter.
"Was in a shootout" just explains away a loss? Mmmkay.
Baseball uniforms peaked in the 70s.http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/database.htm#database
Basketball, not so much.
Baseball uniforms peaked in the 70s.Ish.
Basketball, not so much.
Why must Pitt wear these unis?Yeah, they made the right call going back to the script Pitt. I'm on board with keeping the dark blue and gold, and rolling the others out as throwbacks, but I hate the color flip.
Did the QB that punts ever wind up doing both in the same game?No, once Lewerke got hurt, they stopped risking sending Lombardi out as a punter.
Ah yes, now I remember how little I enjoyed watching this team this year.I enjoy watching that defense all day long. I just hope the offense can hold the ball long enough to keep the D fresh.
Fickel actually puts together a pretty good season. I didn't think he had it in him. Shows what I know.Not sure why you would doubt him. He was a hell of a DC, and his only head coaching gig left him with 4 of his best players, including any QB with experience, off the roster. Good recruiter as well.
I enjoy watching that defense all day long. I just hope the offense can hold the ball long enough to keep the D fresh.I live great defense, but watching the worst offense arguably in the entire FBS, every week, gets really, really old.
I live great defense, but watching the worst offense arguably in the entire FBS, every week, gets really, really old.I wish Felton Davis didn’t suffer that freak injury. That guy was a baller and had to be respected even without theball.
Pretty lucky there not to get an excessive penalty. Watch the ball drop to the ground and then slam the receiver down.
UMD would have been flagged.
Do you think zebras consistently have it out for Maryland in football?
Not sure why you would doubt him. He was a hell of a DC, and his only head coaching gig left him with 4 of his best players, including any QB with experience, off the roster. Good recruiter as well.Well mostly because his first season at UC sucked, but now that you mention it I also wasn't too impressed by his ability to tie the OSU school record for losses in a season that was sandwiched between an outright 2010 Big Ten Title (vacated) and an undefeated 2012, with a roster loaded up with a bunch of guys that played on one or both of those teams.
Well mostly because his first season at UC sucked, but now that you mention it I also wasn't too impressed by his ability to tie the OSU school record for losses in a season that was sandwiched between an outright 2010 Big Ten Title (vacated) and an undefeated 2012, with a roster loaded up with a bunch of guys that played on one or both of those teams.When you lose your only good Wr - Posey, and your only experienced QB-Pryor, and your best RB- Herron, expectations aren’t going to be too high.
But hey, here we are. I was wrong. Kudos to him.
When you lose your only good Wr - Posey, and your only experienced QB-Pryor, and your best RB- Herron, expectations aren’t going to be too high.Yeah but those are kind of just excuses though, aren't they?
Also- not realistic to compare what Meyer did in 2012 in the mix, given he inherited a Braxton Miller with a year under his belt. Fickle is a good coach, very well respected.
Three trips inside the 30, 3 total points. I think Oregon has only crossed midfield once. Said against Nebraska they'd break through late with all the points we left on the board, and I'll say it again.Outgained them 233-90. Left way too many points on the board.
Cant we watch one bowl game w/o searching high or low for what it tells us about conference depth?Nope.
Outgained them 233-90. Left way too many points on the board.Yup, Nebraska Pt. II
Our final two losses we allowed a total of 16 points. Awesome.Defense has never been a problem though. Even a serviceable offense gets Sparty 9-10 wins this season.
Oh, look, a Big XII game.Heh.
Does your Tuxedo have TAILS??No. Dinner was great. We ended at the bar with a couple Hennessey XOs.
So with Northwestern's win the B1G is now 3-3 with three to go.West: 3-1 (Thanks Purdue)
My bowl picks were pretty awful, worse than Clucko the Chicken.Watch it buster,back in the day I used CFN staff picks as a wagering tool - that's how I found the forum,well at least that part worked out okay.Any way Clucko beat Pete Futiak and the boys one season against the spread
This used to be the best sports day of the year. Now it's about on par with Christmas NBA quintuple header.I wouldn't go that far my friend. This is far better then anything the NBA could put out there.
Someday Dave Aranda is gonna regret leaving Madison, if he doesn't already.I dunno. He doesn't seem unlike scores of coordinators with half a dozen stops over a decade.
I dunno. He doesn't seem unlike scores of coordinators with half a dozen stops over a decade.He's on his 4th since 2008, with the first being 3 years in Hawaii and then 1 year at USU. He followed Andersen to Madison but decided to stay when Chryst came in. That only lasted a year though, when LSU pulled out a ridiculous sum of coin along with a 4 year contract that didn't tie him to Miles or any other head coach. He'd have stayed put otherwise. I think he'll be down there for a while still. Doesn't seem to be the kind to want a HC gig.
Someday Dave Aranda is gonna regret leaving Madison, if he doesn't already.But why? Gets paid super well to coach top-flight athletes.
Burrow showing stones coming back from that big shot. Two TD passes on two possessions since then.Yes, on the last play he was face masked and speared helmet to helmet. No calls.
Yes, on the last play he was face masked and speared helmet to helmet. No calls.Whoops...looks like they ejected the kid on the commercial break.
But why? Gets paid super well to coach top-flight athletes.He got paid pretty well (not super well) to coach some darn good athletes in Madison too. Ones who could execute his very complex system. :67:
B1G West B1G West B1G West!!Big Ten West is 8-1 in bowls the last 2 seasons, going 4-1 this season and 4-0 last season.
Rose Bowl looks beautifulNever doesn't
Getting a late start on the chuck roast on the egg. Will eat during sugar bowl.I've always heard chuck roast makes a good BBQ but have not yet tried it
OSU may blow them out.Letting them hang around with their 6 illegal procedure penalties. Not good.
UCF earned some respect.Ehh, I got a phone call in the 3rd quarter - it was LSU asking if I had any experience at CB.
UCF earned some respect.not from AfroMan
OSU may blow them out.Grandaddy of them all is over
OSU may blow them out.Yup.
Rip Tyler TrentEww. RIP Tyler, your story, and courage inspired many.
GO BUCKEYES!Incredible career.
ROSE BOWL CHAMPS!
Meyer 83-9!
It's great to be a Buckeye Fan.
Because their hopes and dreams were not dashed in their previous game. Why is this so hard to understand?2 for 2 on it this year. Small sample, ongoing, but piling up the evidence (outcomes).
2018 teams eligible to not play motivated:
Michigan
Georgia
These teams were going to be in the NCCG or CFP, but lost their last game of the season, rendering their big goals moot. Only two of them won in such a case. This isn't some convoluted BS, based on Bama losing to Utah in 2008, it's a real, live thing. It doesn't guarantee a loss in their bowl game, but it does guarantee these 21 year old kids have less to play for than they did the game before, and often times, this affects their play. Period.
Damn. SVP peeling the onions tonight. Gave a Tyler Trent a farewell; after Purdue beat OSU he promised Tyler a seat on his show, and ended tonight with an empty seat next to a Boiler helmet.dang man.... that kid was a testament to 'living' when you know the end is near, and begs the question why we don't 'live' ALL the time. He inspired many with his pure spirit.
Minnie, UW, NU and Iowa were all underdogs, and all got wins. Purdue and MSU were dogs too. PSU, OSU and UM were favored. Overall a terrible performance by the East this year.PSU losing, still just boogles my brain. I didn't see the game and am assuming props need to be given to Kentucky.
Settle down bevoProbably not a good idea to put a yappy little dog right in front of him, dressed up in a red sweater no less...
not from AfroManMe either. I agree with @Orange Afro Man (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1485) . UCF played one decent opponent this year and lost.
2 for 2 on it this year. Small sample, ongoing, but piling up the evidence (outcomes).Good predictions.
Me either. I agree with @Orange Afro Man (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1485) . UCF played one decent opponent this year and lost.I agree with this statement, but......
I don't think the demoralized thing is a good excuse at all.Difference between the fan of a team that had some dawg in the fight versus fans of teams that got smocked.
Having some players not playing is an excuse I can accept, to the extent excuses matter at all.
A lot of the bowl games were close and could have gone either way. PSU nearly beat UK, I'd call that one a tie, same with Iowa and MSU, and many others, in terms of team comparisons.
VERSUS
Give Georgia credit though, they didn’t quit like Michigan. They were asleep for 95% of the game but they didn’t just quit like Michigan did.
OR...
Sometimes the matchup just isn't favorable. And sometimes the breaks don't go your way. And sometimes the ball starts rolling down the wrong hill and there's no stopping it. Blowouts happen. Ohio State is way better than Purdue--no one disputes that, right? Michigan is way better than the way it played against Florida.
You'd think after getting demoralized that the kids and coaches would have something to prove.Yeah... you would, wouldn't you? ;)
Yeah... you would, wouldn't you? ;)Of course. I don't buy the "didn't show up" stuff. Never have and never will. These kids want to win. If they didn't, they wouldn't play football or any other participate in any competitive activity. The idea that you can't get up for a bowl game against a respectable opponent it ludicrous.
Of course. I don't buy the "didn't show up" stuff. Never have and never will. These kids want to win. If they didn't, they wouldn't play football or any other participate in any competitive activity. The idea that you can't get up for a bowl game against a respectable opponent it ludicrous.clearly you've never been introduced to an SEC loss in a bowl game... they never wanted to be there, hence the loss.
You'd think after getting demoralized that the kids and coaches would have something to prove.Think a lot of those kids checked out after the OSU debacle.
I agree with this statement, but......What I've read this year on Twitter:
with the back up QB, they were not outclassed and run out of the stadium. They had some game.
and they showed up to play. Not all bowl teams did.
and the Dawgs are barely a helmetNot true. They are not at all a helmet.
I agree with this statement, but......I wasn't paying all that close of attention but my understanding was that the four DB's playing for LSU were a walk-on, a water-boy, a cheerleader, and a mascot.
with the back up QB, they were not outclassed and run out of the stadium. They had some game.
and they showed up to play. Not all bowl teams did.
Texas' problem next year will be they won't face many offenses that line up like Georgia and attack them traditionally. They will play a lot of spread teams that run up tempo which will limit the impact of their DL (which appeared to me to be Texas' strength last night)yeah they won't have that 'luxury' of using their strengths directly against another team's, true- it's up to Herman to figure out how to counter it..... they also won't have a month to figure out a scheme and get their dander up... but they may have opportunity to play with the moxy they brought last night. that confidence can go a long way for them, and is more or less what i was referring to.
Texas' problem next year will be they won't face many offenses that line up like Georgia and attack them traditionally. They will play a lot of spread teams that run up tempo which will limit the impact of their DL (which appeared to me to be Texas' strength last night)Yup it's funny, Texas would probably fare better in the SEC than in the B12. Regardless, you have to find ways to win games and the Horns are getting better at that.
yeah they won't have that 'luxury' of using their strengths directly against another team's, true- it's up to Herman to figure out how to counter it..... they also won't have a month to figure out a scheme and get their dander up... but they may have opportunity to play with the moxy they brought last night. that confidence can go a long way for them, and is more or less what i was referring to.There's also a ton more young talent in the pipeline than we've had since that 2009 team that played for the national championship. You correctly pointed out that Georgia's advantage in talented depth enabled them to mount the comeback in the 4th quarter. But that type of advantage will be reduced next year, and pretty much gone the following year.
Of course. I don't buy the "didn't show up" stuff. Never have and never will. These kids want to win. If they didn't, they wouldn't play football or any other participate in any competitive activity. The idea that you can't get up for a bowl game against a respectable opponent it ludicrous.You don't have to believe it for it to be true.
You Yes, a great HC will keep things fresh and mix it up and not let the season seem like a marathon. From August to January, it's football everyday. But set that aside.a great head coach and his great assistants are well paid to find motivation for the kids and get them to play well. Even in a meaningless bowl game, because......... because it's not meaningless to the fans who write the checks
trueYou're literally ignoring the entire point. I'm giving you credit for not missing it, just ignoring it.
how many teams did Georgia or Michigan play that were as good as their bowl opponent?
I think the more salient point is that bowl opponents are worthy opponents, probably better than all but 2 or 3 opponents faced all year.Not to a 20 year old. A 9-4 Texas team that only got into the game because of conference tie-ins isn't sexy. Hell, there's a thread on the SEC board wondering aloud if it's a disgrace they were in it. So c'mon.
Even better teams can lose to somewhat less good opponents in a single game, obviously.
a great head coach and his great assistants are well paid to find motivation for the kids and get them to play well. Even in a meaningless bowl game, because......... because it's not meaningless to the fans who write the checks
and great coaches know enough to recruit kids that are or can be motivated easily to play well
Ehh, mayyyybe some of the fringe guys to fill out a class, but no, i don't believe this comes into play at all. All coaches think they can motivate anyone.
some 4 and 5 star recruits are only there as a step to the NFL and have been pampered since they put on pads.
Annnnd every program in the country gobbles them up as fast as they can.
Probably not a good idea to put a yappy little dog right in front of him, dressed up in a red sweater no less...HA!Mess with the bull ya get the horns,congrats to the 40 Acres
clearly you've never been introduced to an SEC loss in a bowl game... they never wanted to be there, hence the loss.FFS, it's not an SEC thing. Don't be smarmy.
how many teams did Georgia or Michigan play that were as good as their bowl opponent?Georgia played LSU, Florida, Kentucky, and Alabama and went 2-2. Texas would be in that group aside from Bama, so call it 2-1, or add Mizzou and call it 3-2.
On G5 vs P5:For the most part, I actually agree with this, outside the sort of easy of saying “Utah and TCU did something about it.”
We're often given a very good G5 team from year to year, whether it was Boise or TCU or Utah or BYU or Hawai'i or UCF or whoever it will be 2 years from now, there's a group of 5 conferences, and the best team(s) from them is usually very good.
That beings said, we don't know how good they truly are and never will. We never will, because we can't go back in time and have an individual team play a difficult slate of games. 2008 Utah might have been the best team in the country. But we'll never know - and not because of any disservice to them. We'll never know, because they waited until their last game to peak and they waited until their last game to peak because their schedule was so weak. Yes, most of that is due to their conference slate, but also OOC:
2 point win vs an eventual 3-9 Michigan
3 point win vs an eventual 9-4 Oregon State
Funny, the UM win probably gave Utah more street cred than the OSU win, but look at the records. Close wins over a very bad team and a barely ranked/unranked team. That doesn't suggest they'd be able to swing with the big boys. That's fair, isn't it? Looking at past results to make a prediction...the past results didn't say they couldn't beat a top 5 team, just that it was probably unlikely. But, as luck would have it, Utah got a chance to play a top 5 team. And they won!
But we have the issue of my above post here. Alabama had just lost all of their hopes a dreams the game before. They had a #1 draft pick suspended. They were playing an unsexy program. Blah blah blah...
But toss that aside, they showed they could do it! And that's great, it really is. But they did it after playing the 80th-strongest schedule. They had that magical zero in the loss column against the 80th-ranked schedule. They literally didn't play back-to-back games in which both teams had a winning record. Hell, if you go down their schedule, every other game was against a team with 8 or more losses. It's astounding.
Now for the sake of argument, let's go ahead and say Utah was the best team of 2008. How would we know? We don't have enough data points to have any confidence in that. Even with the comfortable win vs Alabama, their resume is severely lacking. Is it the employer's fault that the prospective employee came to the interview with a severely deficient resume? They might become your best worker, but you'd never hire them. That's not on us, that's on the person/program.
If your conference affiliation prevents an undefeated season from earning you national championships, then you need to exit that conference or change the system. Period. TCU and Utah saw this and were proactive about it. UCF is bitching and moaning. Think about it - Alabama needed zero consecutive wins to make the playoff - that's how high up their program is. They could've lost vs Georgia and still been included in the playoff - the Bama program and the SEC conference fuel that. Right or wrong, it's true. Now while that is the top of the mountain, other teams have found where they're at - OU found out they could make the playoff with 'only' 7 straight wins. Ohio State found out they couldn't get in with only 5 straight wins. Georgia, thanks to its program and conference affiliation, learned it could almost get in with zero wins, but not quite. But it's probably a number in the single digits, to be sure.
So UCF learned this year that 25 consecutive wins wasn't enough to make the playoff. No, last year shouldn't matter, but alas, as limited human minds involved in the decision-making process, it does. Which is why Alabama's magic number is lower than anyone else's. Clemson's is next lowest, and so on. UCF needs to do what TCU/Utah did and get into a better conference OR change the system, like 2004 Auburn had a hand in, or the programs/conferences left out in 2011 did.
Saying we're pretend national champs or wanting brownie points for keeping it close is the wrong way to go about it.
(Also, the straight wins part is kinda silly, but creative in a fun way)I actually think it could be a valid way to rank teams by up-to-the-minute helmetosity. But it's just been an idea that's been floating around in my head recently. ie - how few consecutive wins could a program have and still be included in the playoff - top helmet teams - single digits, G5 teams 13+, etc. If I had to guess UCF's, it's probably in the 30s. If they went undefeated again next year, there would be an outcry to finally give them a shot. Alabama's is literally zero. Georgia's is probably 3-4, other helmet programs are below ten. Someone like Eastern Michigan...probably in the 40s or 50s - 4+ straight seasons of undefeated records to even get close.
FFS, it's not an SEC thing. Don't be smarmy.it's not exclusive, just one conference embraces it more than others..
I think the more salient point is that bowl opponents are worthy opponents, probably better than all but 2 or 3 opponents faced all year.i'll subscribe to this. and i'll point out that this works in both directions... meaning, UCF is as good as all but 2 or 3 of LSU's Schedule... and that Texas is as good as all but 2 or 3 of UGA's schedule...
Even better teams can lose to somewhat less good opponents in a single game, obviously.
The usual schedule the top teams play as well all know is:Not UCF.....
3 pastries
6 half decent teams that will be 5-7 to 7-5/8-4
3 pretty good teams 9-3/11-1
There are exceptions of course. So, any bowl team a top level team plays is going to be in the latter category.
UCLA, 1998?
Think: Kansas State, 1998
Sure.I actually think Florida was the more motivated team in 2009. Meyer had announced he was leaving before the game and UF wanted to send him out on a high note. Besides that, Cincinnati was just as close to making the BCS title game that year as UF was. If Texas misses that FG against Nebraska UC is playing Bama in BCS title game.
And sometimes the letdown team wins, like Florida in 2009 (albeit vs a Cincinnati team you could argue was part of a P5-type conference, but was not a P5-type team).
What was that year USC lost to UCLA like 14-9, let me look them up.
That was 2006, ranked #2, lost to UCLA 13-9, but beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, however....
Michigan fits the bill, as they were in line for the BCS spot, but lost to OSU. So someone in that Rose Bowl was going to be the "letdown" team and end the year with 2 losses after having the national championship in their grasp.
Can I play the sometimes the letdown team wins game? I'm just winging this from memory of old pre-game 'letdown' fodder.I can't help but think you haven't read what I've posted about this.
1986 Oklahoma 42-8 over Arkansas in Orange (lost to Miami and was a spectator to PSU v Miami)
1996 Nebraska 41-21 over VaTech in Orange (crushing defeat to UT in first XII CCG, cost chance at 3 MNCs in a row)
1999 Nebraska 31-21 over Tenn in Fiesta (one loss, ahead of #2 VT in some metrics, not in BCS title game)
2000 Nebraska 66-17 over NW in Alamo (close one point loss at KSU bumped them out of XII CCG and down to Alamo)
1988 Miami 23-3 over N in Orange (ND beat WVA in Fiesta for title, Miami 'wuz robbed at ND'.
1990 Miami 46-3 over Texas in Cotton (we all like bringing up this one, Randall Hill running with cheetahs)
2000 Miami 37-20 over Florida in Sugar (no explanation needed, they beat FSU, FSU got nod to score 2 pts vs OU)
2008 Texas 24-21 over Ohio St. in Fiesta (OU loses to UT, UT lost to TT, OU finished ahead of UT, goes to BCS title)
2010 Alabama 49-7 over MSU in Citrus (Fla beat Bama in CCG)
we get it, I get it, let downs happen, but there's as much evidence to present to demonstrate that it can be managed.
I consider Georgia to be a semi-helmet, plus they enjoy the currentFIFYSECAlabama halo effect.
Looks like TV ratings slipped for the playoffs. The Rose Bowl did very well.Sugar Bowl did well too. Up 28% from last year and 47% from the year before that.
I found it really fun to watch the Miami players huddled around the sideline heaters last week, while the UW players were huddled around each other and their coaches.I didn't see this game, but I saw the final score, and was very pleased with it. Congrats! :)
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You can have your arbitrary 'letdown' goalposts, and I can have mine. Every one of those examples i posted are games where the 'letdown' candidate was really expected to be somewhere else and were reminded of it by the press. The fact that some of the losses didn't occur in either the first weekend of December, or precisely at the end of the regular season, doesn't make it any less visceral. There were/are weeks and weeks between CCGs or final reg season games and bowls as it is.Completely agree, and I addressed this in the new thread OAM created, dedicated to the alleged "let-down." In short, dismissing all of those teams renders the hypothesis invalid. But there are other problems with it as well.
I found it really fun to watch the Miami players huddled around the sideline heaters last week, while the UW players were huddled around each other and their coaches.only time this year I pulled for your team.... =)
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This was so predictable. How stupid are some people? Who thought this through?This is why I don’t want to hear about talk of expanding the playoffs above eight and also why even if they go to eight the QF and SF rounds should be played at the home of the highest ranked team. All these extra neutral site games are a huge burden on fans and they shouldn’t be expected to pack all of these stadiums.
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Prices for tickets for Monday night's championship in Santa Clara have been plummeting the past few days. Factors include the College Football Playoff final being located thousands of miles away from the two campuses, possible fatigue for fan bases of teams that have become annual participants in the playoff, and a game site in an expensive market lacking college football die-hards.
"It's sort of a perfect storm of factors at play this year," said Jesse Lawrence, the founder of TicketIQ, a secondary ticket market. "It's a big ask for fans to come, and that's why we're seeing the prices the way they are."
Tickets for the championship game are now available for just $135 on the secondary market, according to TicketIQ, less than half of what the price was before the semifinals and well below the face-value price of $475.
StubHub had even cheaper tickets available Wednesday night, with seats priced at $115 -- less than double the cost of a parking pass on the ticket-resale site.
This is why I don’t want to hear about talk of expanding the playoffs above eight and also why even if they go to eight the QF and SF rounds should be played at the home of the highest ranked team. All these extra neutral site games are a huge burden on fans and they shouldn’t be expected to pack all of these stadiums.I think the 2 semi's they have now should be played on home sites. Fans only have so much money to throw around. If I'm a Bama fan, am I supposed to cough up coin to go to Atlanta and then two other places on short notice? F that. I'd take the money from just one of those trips and buy an 85 inch.
This is why I don’t want to hear about talk of expanding the playoffs above eight and also why even if they go to eight the QF and SF rounds should be played at the home of the highest ranked team. All these extra neutral site games are a huge burden on fans and they shouldn’t be expected to pack all of these stadiums.Totally agree with both yours and badgerfans takes here.
I think the 2 semi's they have now should be played on home sites. Fans only have so much money to throw around. If I'm a Bama fan, am I supposed to cough up coin to go to Atlanta and then two other places on short notice? F that. I'd take the money from just one of those trips and buy an 85 inch.I agree about the semi’s being played at home sites now.
I'm thinking the boys out at Levi Stadium better unpack all those seat tarps from the PAC 12 championship game. Maybe they can even borrow some from the Raiders.
Outside of having to play all of your home games in an alternate stadium for construction or what have you, I wonder what the record is for neutral site games in a season?Check with Bama.
Five is conceivable if Texas, Oklahoma, Florida or Georgia scheduled one OOC on a year that they were elite. All four have one built into the Conference slate, then the CCG, then the Final Four.
Check with Bama.this is something we could easily look up with the bobs database.
this is something we could easily look up with the bobs database.I heard flights are the part stopping most people.
as for the game, with the ticket prices, i've thought about going. but then i checked flights and hotel... nope.
this is something we could easily look up with the bobs database.I wish he would have it back up, but that's not the case. Yet. Hopefully this offseason he can do it.
as for the game, with the ticket prices, i've thought about going. but then i checked flights and hotel... nope.
this is something we could easily look up with the bobs database.R/T for me to get there and back is under $280 from LAX, not counting taxes and fees... Heck, barely over $300 for SNA.
as for the game, with the ticket prices, i've thought about going. but then i checked flights and hotel... nope.
I'll be in Cabo for 8 days starting Saturday. I'm pretty sure that's a better destination than Santa Clara right now. I'm also pretty sure I won't be watching football.Amen brutha.
I heard flights are the part stopping most people.cheapest i've seen is ~$1300/person. can get cheaper flights if you stay a night or 2, but then the hotels eat up the 'savings' and you're right back at ~$12-1500.
I wish he would have it back up, but that's not the case. Yet. Hopefully this offseason he can do it.i imagine bama is tied with uga for most. each have had 4 recently. uga (wlocp, seccg, rose, cfp title game) had 4 last year, bama the 2 years prior and again this year. (early season game, seccg, semi, title game)
As for the question, Bama probably has the record. It has played 4 in many years leading up to this one, including this one.
I think the 2 semi's they have now should be played on home sites.Ya went over all this in the past.I'm decidedly against expansion for that reason fans bases can't be expected to be deadheads.Airline,hotel,ticket,uber/taxi fares would break everybody but the 1%ers.Only problem visiting fans/programs would bitch at the home field.Just like the ones do now who don't make the Play off cut
I'll be in Cabo for 8 days starting Saturday. I'm pretty sure that's a better destination than Santa Clara right now. I'm also pretty sure I won't be watching football.Hey didn't you just take some pricey Euro road trip - Bastage
If one of the Washington, Oregon, California, or Arizona schools in the Pac-12 were playing, they would have no problem filling the place with willing fans. Alas, that was not to be. Heck, if any new school were involved, that would probably be the case. But to have the third championship game between these two teams in the past four years at a location really far from their homes (and the fourth year in a row that they play each other in some game in the CFP)? That's a recipe for low ticket sales. This is more the fault of Clemson and Alabama than it is of the championship game organizers.I half agree.
cheapest i've seen is ~$1300/person. can get cheaper flights if you stay a night or 2, but then the hotels eat up the 'savings' and you're right back at ~$12-1500.I wonder if more people had tried Sacramento. You save about $500 or so, I think.
Just an excuse for poor coaching.That's also a thing, but a separate thing.
Same as when a team falls short in a near upset of OSU, then gets hammered by Indiana the following week and they say "that team let OSU beat 'em twice"
Completely agree, and I addressed this in the new thread OAM created, dedicated to the alleged "let-down." In short, dismissing all of those teams renders the hypothesis invalid.Wrong, the timing of the loss is the whole deal, that's the point. That's the observation I'd had. You can dismiss that, but then you're missing the point.
Wrong, the timing of the loss is the whole deal, that's the point. That's the observation I'd had. You can dismiss that, but then you're missing the point.The letdown is emotional. Your overly narrow definition is inadequate and inaccurate. If you don't understand that, then you don't even understand the very point you're attempting to make.
The letdown is emotional. Your overly narrow definition is inadequate and inaccurate. If you don't understand that, then you don't even understand the very point you're attempting to make.My definition is inadequate to you. I'm not sure why you're wanting me to lump in a bunch of teams that don't fit the criteria of the oddity I've observed in my "overly narrow" scope. THAT would be inaccurate. THAT would be dishonest. Artificially inflating a sample size of 20 with an additional 50 data points in order to appease utee94 would be inadequate and inaccurate.
I'm willing to work with you, I'm willing to entertain your idea. But your starting point is so very wrong, that unless you fix it, it's meaningless and irrelevant.
My definition is inadequate to you. I'm not sure why you're wanting me to lump in a bunch of teams that don't fit the criteria of the oddity I've observed in my "overly narrow" scope. THAT would be inaccurate. THAT would be dishonest. Artificially inflating a sample size of 20 with an additional 50 data points in order to appease utee94 would be inadequate and inaccurate.It's not just me that's rejecting your oddly limited definition of emotionally impacted teams, when you're attempting to prove that emotional impact is a major factor. Look at the threads. I'm hardly the only one rejecting your definitions and assertions.
You're unwilling to acknowledge the emotional difference between going 11-1 and losing in September and going 11-1 and your only loss occurring in your 12th game.You're choosing to be intellectually dishonest about the emotional letdowns of college athletes. I can't help you.
I can't help you.
It's not just me that's rejecting your oddly limited definition of emotionally impacted teams, when you're attempting to prove that emotional impact is a major factor. Loom at the threads. I'm hardly the only one rejecting your definitions and assertions.A bunch of "nuh uh"s and "I doubt it"s aren't really going to sway me, lol.
You're choosing to be intellectually dishonest about the emotional letdowns of college athletes. I can't help you.You type this because I'm being too narrow in my scope? The hell?
A bunch of "nuh uh"s and "I doubt it"s aren't really going to sway me, lol.You're the one attempting to prove your hypothesis. You have yet to do so. Why are you asking me to do your job for you?
A 12-15 record by a bunch of teams with an average win% of well over .900, to me, is noteworthy. Instead of shitting all over my hypothesis, why don't you do the research on YOUR set of teams and see what comes out?
You know, DO something.
I just played the matchup on my cards & dice game....Oof, I hope not. These teams are both really good, hoping for a classic
48 Alabama
21 Clemson
Oof, I hope not. These teams are both really good, hoping for a classicMe too. I'd rather Clemson wins, but Bama is Bama. And if the game is decided by a rub route again, that would be lame.
Not an ideal start for Clemson offense.Guess it could be worse
Are the offenses this good, or the defenses this bad?The offenses are that good
At least they aren't in the stadium and at least one can watch the bands on the other espn channels. that shipped sailed when the other Simpson girl performed (and was booed loudly) at the Orange Bowl between OU and USC.Damn, didn't know there was a bands channel.
No excuse for Bama getting absolutely schooled like this. This team has simply quit.I really don’t think so. Just getting outplayed.
Can you imagine the outcry if FOX Sports (B1G Network's parent) hired a personality that perpetually looks down on the SEC as a bunch of stupid hayseeds who put winning ahead of morals?Are you making reference to Gary Danielson?He really is the biggest shill/slappie/lap dog/yes man that I've ever,EVER heard or seen.It really is embarrassing if you're a Bama Fan unless you're as unglued as he is.Even PAWL isn't that much of a stumper
Joel Klatt is on his way there. Danielson didn't used to be this.Not sure whether Joel Klatt is actually somewhat enlightened, or just posing as the anti-ESPN, but he at least expresses opinions that run counter to the grain.
What will (or should) the final rankings be?Well color me shocked. The Buckeyes are #3 in the final AP Poll behind Clemson and Bama. The two CFP semi-final losers round out the top-5.
I don't realistically think that Ohio State can get into the top-4.
Danielson is the worst announcer in the business... he drips with bias, and doesn't even observe the on field action with any authority/insight... he parrots what officials say. there are no redeeming qualities for that guy.... it's that bad... when i see him in the program as announcer, which is often being an SEC fan and CBS having the contract, I mute the idiot box and turn on pandora for some good tunes.... I'd rather just observe for myself.Evidently we have Jerry Springer enlightened Network Executives.Wouldn't you put someone in there that can tell or explain something to average fan that he may not have known.Or at least be creative and entertaining.GD is none of that,had I known the bar was so low I would have given it a shot myself
Joel Klatt is on his way there. Danielson didn't used to be this.My guess is that within 5 years, Klatt will either defect to ESPiN or CBS (presumably to take over Danielson when he retires).
Evidently we have Jerry Springer enlightened Network Executives.Wouldn't you put someone in there that can tell or explain something to average fan that he may not have known.Or at least be creative and entertaining.GD is none of that,had I known the bar was so low I would have given it a shot myselfTo a degree, we did this to ourselves.
So will this result affect whether the committee will allow Bama in the playoffs in the futureI'll be more explicit: all those saying a blowout in a single game is reason that a team didn't belong in the first place would thus need to explain why Alabama didn't belong. Hard to justify that. Just as Notre Dame's closer loss to Clemson -- by a point :-) -- doesn't mean it didn't belong. I said all year that Clemson didn't convince me it was one of the top two, but it turns out Clemson was awfully good when it mattered. Alabama had me convinced...until it mattered. What if the SEC wasn't as good at the top as "everyone" thinks. Or more likely, what if college football is actually pretty darned competitive at the top--across all the major conferences, and some times the ball starts rolling one way and doesn't stop.
Well color me shocked. The Buckeyes are #3 in the final AP Poll behind Clemson and Bama. The two CFP semi-final losers round out the top-5.Is #9 the highest ever for a 4 loss team?
As @OrangeAfroMan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=58) pointed out there is an odd lack of 2-loss teams so after 12-1 Notre Dame at #5 come three 3-loss SEC teams and then a 4-loss Texas at #9.
The biggest mistake that jumps out to me is having WSU at #10 while Washington is all the way down at #13. Washington has two more losses but the two extra losses were a tough OOC game (Auburn in Atlanta) and a tough bowl game against final #3 Ohio State. By comparison the Cougars played a ridiculously easy OOC and got an easier bowl because of their loss to Washington. Oh well.
UCF is #11 which seems awfully high to me for a team whose only win over a ranked team came against #24.
I'll be more explicit: all those saying a blowout in a single game is reason that a team didn't belong in the first place would thus need to explain why Alabama didn't belong. Hard to justify that. Just as Notre Dame's closer loss to Clemson -- by a point :-) -- doesn't mean it didn't belong. I said all year that Clemson didn't convince me it was one of the top two, but it turns out Clemson was awfully good when it mattered. Alabama had me convinced...until it mattered. What if the SEC wasn't as good at the top as "everyone" thinks. Or more likely, what if college football is actually pretty darned competitive at the top--across all the major conferences, and some times the ball starts rolling one way and doesn't stop.Or what if Alabama just had a really bad game and/or Clemson had a really good game?
Is #9 the highest ever for a 4 loss team?I don't even know where to look that up.
Or what if Alabama just had a really bad game and/or Clemson had a really good game?We're saying the same thing.
Sometimes, as you said, the ball starts rolling one way and doesn't stop.
I don't even know where to look that up.As far as I can tell yes, beating #10 Auburn from last year. I will say, both teams played 14 games, so they were also 10 game winners. Prior to that, to find a 10-4 team, it's 2011 Georgia, who was ranked #19.
Final(?) thought:Exactly why I want to see 5+1+2. Conference champions earn that honor on the field. No committee, no polls, no beauty pageant.
Rankings remain beauty contests. Football is won and lost on the field.
Fezz, your #3 is utter nonsense. No one “wants it more” in the NCG. Absurd.Actually, to your point elsewhere, during practice and prep, it's easy to believe that Clemson's players were more intent on making sure they were ready to slay the dragon that is Alabama, and that Alabama's players believed their hype and allowed that to distract them a little more. It's the same as the let-down theory: players react to their emotions. It's not hard to believe that Alabama's players were more complacent about preparation for this game than Clemson's. And that complacency can lead to a busted coverage, or a missed assignment at a critical moment, then the ball starts rolling--especially if those missed assignments pile up.
Actually, to your point elsewhere, during practice and prep, it's easy to believe that Clemson's players were more intent on making sure they were ready to slay the dragon that is Alabama, and that Alabama's players believed their hype and allowed that to distract them a little more. It's the same as the let-down theory: players react to their emotions. It's not hard to believe that Alabama's players were more complacent about preparation for this game than Clemson's. And that complacency can lead to a busted coverage, or a missed assignment at a critical moment, then the ball starts rolling--especially if those missed assignments pile up.You realize who their coach is, right? And I'm not talking about King Saban and all his rings, I'm talking about a coach that will push you and push you and if you still can't/don't perform, that backup 5* is planting your ass on the bench.
it's because florida eats boogers... duh...with ketchup
Is #9 the highest ever for a 4 loss team?I didn't really think of this when you originally asked but it is amazing how much this concept has shifted due to structural changes in CFB over the past few years.
Don't blame injuries. Other teams have them too, and Bama has a strong enough roster that there should be a pair and a spare ready to go at every position.i wasn't making excuses. all those things happened, but they aren't necessarily why we lost. we lost because clemson was the better team. was trying to put the excuses to bed, they're not really valid in this instance. thought that was clear.
Sure, but when you pin your loss on an injury it just sort of implies that the other teams' injuries don't matter.again, what i think @rolltidefan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=12) was talking about in his original comment about injuries isn't in the usual sense.
It is kind of like blaming the zebras who probably blew a couple of calls at the other teams'expense as well.
Sure, but when you pin your loss on an injury it just sort of implies that the other teams' injuries don't matter.Zebras can actually alter a game tremendously, with just a couple calls.
It is kind of like blaming the zebras who probably blew a couple of calls at the other teams'expense as well.
again, what i think @rolltidefan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=12) was talking about in his original comment about injuries isn't in the usual sense.it was.
a corner literally fell on the field and left a receiver completely unprotected which resulted in six... this has nothing to do with bench and plugging another player in... this is DURING THE PLAY and is just a freak thing that it happened, and as a result of it happening- the score. most injuries happen at the end of a play. this one didn't- it happened mid play leaning toward beginning. if there was no injury there likely wouldn't have been six scored on that play and the receiver either denied or dropped long before the end zone. but that isn't how it happened. it was simply a freak thing you just can't account for and may happen once in likely 1000+ plays.
Team | Appearances | Semi-Final wins | Championships | CFP Games | Wins | Losses | Pct |
Alabama | 5 | 4 | 2 | 9 | 6 | 3 | 0.6667 |
Clemson | 4 | 3 | 2 | 7 | 5 | 2 | 0.7143 |
Ohio State | 2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0.6667 |
Georgia | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0.5000 |
Oregon | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0.5000 |
Oklahoma | 3 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 0.0000 |
Florida State | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0.0000 |
Michigan State | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0.0000 |
Notre Dame | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0.0000 |
Washington | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0.0000 |
The greatest games that decided college football championshipsThey picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25641877/college-football-150-picks-greatest-games-decided-college-football-national-champions
ESPN is claiming 'bama's last three title runs all are in the top 5 of greatest championship games of all time. thoughts?
The greatest games that decided college football championshipsThey put the 2016 game too high, as it was high-level and fun, but Clemson didn’t have a chance to take the lead after the score and onside. I’d bump OSU-Miami, though if I did, it would be more about dropping that game and not knowing a thing about the older ones. And that was a really good game.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25641877/college-football-150-picks-greatest-games-decided-college-football-national-champions
ESPN is claiming 'bama's last three title runs all are in the top 5 of greatest championship games of all time. thoughts?
The greatest games that decided college football championshipseveryone's list will be different - number 11?
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25641877/college-football-150-picks-greatest-games-decided-college-football-national-champions
ESPN is claiming 'bama's last three title runs all are in the top 5 of greatest championship games of all time. thoughts?
everyone's list will be different - number 11?Just spitball guess because that game was fantastic. Maybe it is docking points because it needed the other game to fully decide the championship.
11. Jan. 2, 1984
Miami 31, Nebraska 30, Orange Bowl, Miami