Obviously, this is a bye week for Big Red. It was much-needed after the bloodbath with Iowa last weekend. Iowa is off too.I was talking this over with someone. TV is driving more games later. From a sitting at home watching all games perspective, not ideal.
Anyway, the UNL game next weekend will be under the lights. The following week UW is at Michigan, and that could turn into a night game too. That would mark 3 night games in a row for UW. Not sure that's ever happened before. I doubt it.
Ohio State plays Minnie that day, and MSU plays PSU. All the other games are set for Noon, so the 3 games will be 2:30 or later. Is it now a definite that ABC and Fox each get an afternoon slot, or does BTN come into play? Same question for the primetime slot I guess. Anyone know how this works?
BTN would have to have a game (I’m pretty sure), but ABC and FOX don’t need big Ten games.
Ohio State plays Minnie that day, and MSU plays PSU. All the other games are set for Noon, so the 3 games will be 2:30 or later. Is it now a definite that ABC and Fox each get an afternoon slot, or does BTN come into play? Same question for the primetime slot I guess. Anyone know how this works?
Not sure what sort of food to make.Slow roasted Brats - indirect grilled - oil the casings,brown mustard,diced fresh onions,Kaiser roll - there are also some specialty buns pepperidge farms produces.Wash down with Oktoberfest.Of course I'll reign in the Fest consumption since the Scarlett & Gray play later
With it being a 12:30 PT kick for Purdue - UNL, my wife is making pulled pork nachos for the game. I picked the right girl :)IPAs don't go with pulled pork - actually they don't go with anything - try the Helles Lager or Marzen
We will have another nice swatch of B1G alum over for this party. IU, Purdue, Mich, NW, N, PSU and UW.You hosting or belong to a club?That's a lot of games to watch.I'm plugging in the radio and working outside just got some staining done.Could be a bad winter I have 2 oaks in the back and I can't recall THIS MANY ACORNS to pick up/rake.Beautiful autumn afternoon in N.E.Ohio
IPAs don't go with pulled pork - actually they don't go with anything - try the Helles Lager or MarzenHaha, the vendetta continues.
Haha, the vendetta continues.Good memory,not my favorite style but like the old Bavarian Proverb said "there are no bad beers,some are just better than others" - Prost.Where's downtown for you - you're in Pa,right?
Haha, the vendetta continues.But pulled port goes with everything....
Didn't see it (at work) but Clemson quarteback out injured. Backup (who had been starter) announced this week taking redshirt and transferring out. Not sure how bad. Live betting puts clemson as slight favorite still.I think I brought that scenario up in that thread and just talked to a buddy today about that.Dabo's eating some crow right now
But pulled port goes with everything....Do you mean Porter/Stoudt? :singing:
Good memory,not my favorite style but like the old Bavarian Proverb said "there are no bad beers,some are just better than others" - Prost.Where's downtown for you - you're in Pa,right?(1) No doubt. And that better/worst thing is different for everyone. Unless I'm dropping in a scoop of vanilla ice cream, I dislike smooth, creamy, low CO2 beers and chase bite. IPAs are most fitting for me. Some are bad, but the best are all I want. I doubt I'll ever go back.
Getting you confused with ELA,heard many nice/positive things about Bloomington,supposedly a beautiful area.As far as the IPAs....don't do it your still a young manI don't only drink IPA
(1) No doubt. And that better/worst thing is different for everyone. Unless I'm dropping in a scoop of vanilla ice cream, I dislike smooth, creamy, low CO2 beers and chase bite. IPAs are most fitting for me. Some are bad, but the best are all I want. I doubt I'll ever go back.Refresh my memory- you are in engineering if I recall? My youngest daughter lives in Bloomington- in engineering.
(2) Bloomington. Hoosiertown, USA.
why the hell is baseball still on my tv? I hate baseball.LMAO! ALIENS be my guess,quit your bitching they had soccer on NBC on CFB Saturday last week.Nothings sacred I tell ya
Attaboy, Northwestern.NU Wildcat would approve
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98 and sunny in Phoenix, should still be a bit warm when my Devils take on the Beavers tonight.Devils and Beavers sometimes they're one and the same
And yes, dudekd, cooking is rooted in science.Thought it was rooted in hunger
Refresh my memory- you are in engineering if I recall? My youngest daughter lives in Bloomington- in engineering.Cool! They are really moving fast on ramping up engineering here. Not entirely unrelated: I'm elsewhere, merging medicine (clinical) and biochemistry (research).
Michigan looking the opposite of goodNot... not good?
Cool! They are really moving fast on ramping up engineering here. Not entirely unrelated: I'm elsewhere, merging medicine (clinical) and biochemistry (research).So cool. She likes it there. I think she is at a company that designs/ produces/ tests biomedical devices.
Northwestern looked like they were starting to buckle in the second quarter. They are lucky to still be up by 10. Mostly because of some inopportune Michigan penalties.Agree. Fitzgerald is great coach. He is doing the best he can with what he has, but Michigan will overwhelm them in the second half. Too much talent.
If they don't catch their second wind, they will get steamrolled in the second half.
So cool. She likes it there. I think she is at a company that designs/ produces/ tests biomedical devices.Ah I knew she wasn't an IU student, but my comment was as if she were. Cook Medical, maybe? My buddy is kind of high up on the executive side. They seem to be **thriving** since selling off Cook Pharmica to a company I don't recall.
Ah I knew she wasn't an IU student, but my comment was as if she were. Cook Medical, maybe? My buddy is kind of high up on the executive side. They seem to be **thriving** since selling off Cook Pharmica to a company I don't recall.Great mind. That’s where she works.
Zebras are going to need a police escort out of Lincoln after this one.Just turned it back on what happened?
Just turned it back on what happened?Nothing particular. Nebraska is getting very heavily penalized. Most appear to be valid calls, but the crowd disagrees...
Holy crap, that "penalty" on Higdon. Ghost-inflicted, indeed.absolutely terrible. it was a fake hand off. he pretended to run the ball and the defender tried to tackle him. how in the hell is that a hold? if that was a hold college offenses wouldn't exist. 90% of them run that read option crap.
Damaging, damaging ref incompetence there
Buh bye CatsNot yet. Michigan can't afford to throw themselves into a win.
Harbaugh is special ed man. I’m sorry but he just does a lot of stupid shit.That final TD and final 1st down aside, I agree; this was not his best performance.
For whatever this team is or isn't, ultimately will or won't prove, they fell 0-17 on the road and pulled off 20 unanswered sloooowly but consistently, and though that's not the height of CFB, it has its value.Are you kidding? Great win. It will only make them better. Conference road games are HARD
hope everything is OKSad. I am praying for him.
Tennessee State middle linebacker Christion Abercrombie collapsed on his way to the sideline shortly before halftime on Saturday in their game against Vanderbilt in Nashville after suffering a serious head injury.
Abercrombie was then carted off the field and transported to the Vanderbilt Medical Center, where he was reportedly not responding. Per the SEC Network announcers, Abercrombie is undergoing emergency surgery.
hope everything is OKOh no
Tennessee State middle linebacker Christion Abercrombie collapsed on his way to the sideline shortly before halftime on Saturday in their game against Vanderbilt in Nashville after suffering a serious head injury.
Abercrombie was then carted off the field and transported to the Vanderbilt Medical Center, where he was reportedly not responding. Per the SEC Network announcers, Abercrombie is undergoing emergency surgery.
OSU playcalling is stupidIt hasn’t been good. Worse than Michigan’s? I don’t think so, but not great
Mcsorley put it into another gear. Kid is going at guys twice his size. Very polished and a lot of heart. I’m not looking forward to seeing him next month. Impressive kid.he's impressive for sure. perfect fit for that style of wide open shotgun spread offense where the QB is a threat to run. Shea Patterson would kill it in that sort of offense.
Sure enough, BYU not even a challenge for the Huskies.how did Wisconsin lose to them at home?
At which point does PSU stop bringing 6 against the QB? Screen passes killing them on this list series, the ideal play to cool off a hot pass rushMichigan messed up playing man across the board and it was just pitch and catch for Haskins.
Psu kicking themselves. Had chances.Final play call will haunt them. So will not kicking the field goal earlier in the quarter.
Meh, if PSU's 4th down call was "odd", then it should've worked. It was certainly unexpected, which is a plus, but look at #71 in the replay. Doesn't do a damn thing. Literally stands up and pivots and blocks air.I really try to judge play calls based on the situation and not the result of the play. If Penn St would have popped that for a TD I still would have said that was an odd play call.
Can't do that and have a play work, sorry.
Meh, if PSU's 4th down call was "odd", then it should've worked. It was certainly unexpected, which is a plus, but look at #71 in the replay. Doesn't do a damn thing. Literally stands up and pivots and blocks air.this is how we think play calling works. This is not how play calling works.
Can't do that and have a play work, sorry.
he's impressive for sure. perfect fit for that style of wide open shotgun spread offense where the QB is a threat to run. Shea Patterson would kill it in that sort of offense.Am I the only Michigan fan underwhelmed by Patterson? Seems very indecisive and unwilling to throw down field. Granted, the play calling is awful and the bubble screens have to stop, but he had plenty of chances to air it out and took a sack or a very short qb run.
how did Wisconsin lose to them at home?Shit happens.
2 best stadiums under the lights, LSU which looks the best and PSU.Eh, the "white outs" are getting kinda weird.
this is how we think play calling works. This is not how play calling works.You call plays with the assumption each player will do his job. And it's a game of poker, not blackjack. You don't just blindly go with your best play, because the other team knows what that is.
Eh, the "white outs" are getting kinda weird.I'm conflicted about pom poms. I usually dislike them. They just don't seem to fit with football - seem soft and classically feminine. On the other hand, the visual effect can be incredible, and they only increment fan participation.
A bunch of dudes waving pom poms the entire time? I dunno.
"Male" cheerleaders don't even do that.
as soon as that play developed Herbie mentioned(and everyone else) that it should have been a McSorley option that - put the ball in his hands.Well Ya,stick with what works.PSU had just taken a TO also so I don't blame Lion fans for getting saltyIt was. PSU saw something in OSU alignment. They called a read option- so McSorley did have the ball. But two things happened— chase young stunted and Dre’Mont Jones blew up the play. McSorley would have been drilled.
It was. PSU saw something in OSU alignment. They called a read option- so McSorley did have the ball. But two things happened— chase young stunted and Dre’Mont Jones blew up the play. McSorley would have been drilled.Good eye.
It was. PSU saw something in OSU alignment.Didn't appear to be an option he handed him the rock pretty quick.Franklin later at the presser said it was a bad call.Just the way the play set up - congestion instead of McSorley rolling out and freelancing.Great game shame someone had to lose.Hope every weekend has at least one competitive nail biter.hats off to McSorley & PSU
1st - Here's to hoping that Christion Abercrombie from Tennessee State can recover. Just read he is still in critical condition after collapsing on the sideline.Absolutely good post
Didn't appear to be an option he handed him the rock pretty quick.Franklin later at the presser said it was a bad call.Just the way the play set up - congestion instead of McSorley rolling out and freelancing.Great game shame someone had to lose.Hope every weekend has at least one competitive nail biter.hats off to McSorley & PSUhttps://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif (https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif)
he immediately handed it to him no fakes,roll outs or misdirections again Franklin at the presser said bad call - a designed run.Herbie thought so to when Mcsorley rolled out and ad libbed as he did all night that was when he was most effective.I'm not a MMQ the call was direct and unimaginative - it was called.Not saying Mcsorley would have gotten away on a broken play but the shift was to the right sideDid you not watch the replay I posted. Do you not see why he was FORCED to hand off. It is obvious, he wanted to keep and go left. Watch the WR over there, clearly getting ready to receive a potential pass.
This is asinine.
Franklin didn’t just say it was a bad call, he said he has used that play before in similar situations and it worked, but in retro it was bad, because it didn’t work.
Did you not watch the replay I posted. Do you not see why he was FORCED to hand off.:d030:
I always though Northwestern's field looked especially lush/green.This is true, but they have abysmal night game lighting. Shadows and darkness, background is washed out. The various sports leagues all have 'standard minimum' lighting requirements, I believe it was called Color Rendering Index, there may be a new/different metric these days, I know 'Lux Level' is also used. NCAA and other leagues have a much lower minimum CRI standard than say the NFL or MLB. In undergrad I was in Broadcast Journalism, and we got to work with the TV crews on games and it was some of the best experience I've had, minus watching Jack Arute have a meltdown about not having a rain jacket and basically scolding some PA to go get him one.
Am I the only Michigan fan underwhelmed by Patterson? Seems very indecisive and unwilling to throw down field. Granted, the play calling is awful and the bubble screens have to stop, but he had plenty of chances to air it out and took a sack or a very short qb run.we must be watching different games. Patterson seems like one of the only bright spots on that disgrace of an offense.
When Patterson was out a few weeks back, I actually though Mccaffrey brought more energy and polish to the offense. Patterson has been a letdown from my seat.
we must be watching different games. Patterson seems like one of the only bright spots on that disgrace of an offense.I'm all aboard the Patterson train, but I don't think McCaffery has to be crapped on to be there. They are both promising. The QB depth chart is *very* healthy right now.
The McCaffrey hype is getting out of hand. The kid has done nothing. He had a few series vs ND where he attempted 6 passes and the farthest pass he completed was maybe 10-11 yards through the air. The two deep passes he threw were terrible. Just like most of the passes that I've seen the kid throw further than 10 yards. His arm is weak sauce.
Michigan loses last night without Patterson. Some of those throws he made in the 2nd half were unbelievable. Flat out great NFL QB throws. The strike down the field to Nico. Great throw. That back shoulder he threw to Eubanks. Amazing throw. Other throw he had Eubanks on- perfect. PERFECT throw he hit down the field to McKeon that hit McKeon right in the bread basket that that scrub dropped. Can't throw it better than that. Two throws he fit in tight windows to Gentry were amazing. Add in Patterson using his legs to pick up 1st downs- he won Michigan that game.
Problem with that offense isn't Patterson. That kid is basically making a terrible offense look mediocre. By himself. The OL has improved since game 1 but that's not saying much. They went from complete garbage to mediocre. The RB's are average at best. They continue to play McKeon- who sucks- over Eubanks- who is quite good. The play calling is terrible. There is no imagination or creativity in that offense. They don't use their big receivers in the red zone. Gentry is pushing 6'8". Collins is 6'4+. DPJ is 6'2+ with a 45" vertical. WHERE are the jump ball fades in the red zone to those guys? Nah instead Harbaugh's dumb ass wants to call passes like that in the red zone to Grant Perry or Eddie McDoom.
Offense is a whole lot of stupid football. That's on the staff. Not Patterson. He's basically doing the best he can with one hand tied behind his back.
I'm all aboard the Patterson train, but I don't think McCaffery has to be crapped on to be there. They are both promising. The QB depth chart is *very* healthy right now.not crapping on him, just calling it like I see it. His arm is noticeably weaker than Patterson's. He has to improve his arm strength. He doesn't need a rocket launcher, but he's got to have more than what he has now. And he can improve it the more he physically matures and works on his lower body. He's still only a RS Frosh. He's got plenty of time to get bigger and better. All I'm saying is, I'm not ready to jump on his hype train. No one should be. He hasn't shown anything yet.
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It was a designed handoff,he wasn't forced because the lineman on the left side had to engage lineman long enough for Sanders to get going on the right,listen to Herbie,listen to Franklin,go to Black Shoes Diary or Audibles.Yes I saw the video Brutas posted.Sanders I believe had 43 yds,Franklin knew the defense would be focused on McSorley who had 175 yds rushing,he tried fooling them it didn't work
This from Blue-White Illustrated:
"The quarterback is their guy, obviously," said head coach Urban Meyer. "He's a winner, he's competitor, and he's a great, great player, so the conversation was that somehow they were going to get him involved in that play. So [defensive coordinator Greg Schiano] came up to me and said, OK, let's burn a timeout. Let's see what they're in. Right before the snap we did and we could hear over the head sets that they were going to get a zone read and get the quarterback involved."
But they didn't. After Ohio State's timeout, Penn State called another one, exhausting two of their three timeouts and ultimately putting the outcome of the game on the weight of this one play. With only one timeout remaining, Ohio State only needed that fourth-down stop before it could run out the clock. That's just what it did – but not by stopping McSorley.
Rather, Penn State handed the ball off to running back Miles Sanders, who had been contained to fewer than 3 yards per carry on the evening. This time – the last time – Ohio State bottled him up for a loss of three yards.
By trying to outsmart the coaches across the line of scrimmage, Penn State went away from its captain – a decision that head coach James Franklin later regretted.
"Obviously we should've called something different there," Franklin said in the opening statement of his postgame press conference. "I'm pretty upset right now because I'm hurting for those guys in that locker room."
Urban's wrong,Franklin's wrong,Herstriet's wrong,3 PSU websites are wrong.GotchaWhat is your problem? Why are you even debating this? It is obvious you have no clue about this stuff.
Urban's wrong,Franklin's wrong,Schian's wrongHerstriet's wrong,3 PSU websites are wrong.Gotcha,again for your edificationUrban didn't say the "But they didn't" part. A zone read is by nature getting the QB involved.
"The quarterback is their guy, obviously," said head coach Urban Meyer. "He's a winner, he's competitor, and he's a great, great player, so the conversation was that somehow they were going to get him involved in that play. So [defensive coordinator Greg Schiano] came up to me and said, OK, let's burn a timeout. Let's see what they're in. Right before the snap we did and we could hear over the head sets that they were going to get a zone read and get the quarterback involved."
But they didn't.
This is asinine.Correct, but just because something is "surprising" on our level doesn't really mean good process. If Florida runs the wishbone on 3rd and 22, that's a surprise, but not a good call.
A good play call can fail. A horrible one can go for a TD.
Process > Result
Eh, the "white outs" are getting kinda weird.
A bunch of dudes waving pom poms the entire time? I dunno.
"Male" cheerleaders don't even do that.
I'm conflicted about pom poms. I usually dislike them. They just don't seem to fit with football - seem soft and classically feminine. On the other hand, the visual effect can be incredible, and they only increment fan participation.If this threatens one's manliness, there are probably some thunder sticks that can be provided
If this threatens one's manliness, there are probably some thunder sticks that can be providedIt's PA. White TerribleTowels would be a tremendous improvement.
That's an absolutely absurd statement. What pass? His 7 yard pass to Nico? His 9 yard pass to Wangler? The 13 yarder to Gentry?
Michigan loses last night without Patterson. Some of those throws he made in the 2nd half were unbelievable. Flat out great NFL QB throws.
What is your problem? Why are you even debating this? It is obvious you have no clue about this stuff.It's clear from other debates that if someone disagrees they don't have a clue.Do you have a problem with what coaches or other websites state?You seem to think football is set piece procedure.Try misdirection we use to run a lot of that in HS 3 receiver(wr,te,wing back) sets on wide side run a quick pitch or sweep short side,looking at like you do if that was stuffed immediately by a blitz you would say they were running/throwing wide side because it made sense instead of out guessing the opponent
Urban is quoted in the article as saying they knew it was some form of Zone read. He agrees with what I am showing you on film.Franklin said they had run the play earlier with success, but still took the blame for calling it. Herbie’s reaction was based on live speed, just like mine and everyone else’s. You can’t see everything until you see film.
The film is OBVIOUS.
If you want to argue, for some unknown reason, and deny what is obvious on film, have at it. I can’t argue with someone who clearly knows nothing about how modern plays are designed.
It's clear from other debates that if someone disagrees they don't have a clue.Do you have a problem with what coaches or other websites state?You seem to think football is set piece procedure.Try misdirection we use to run a lot of that in HS 3 receiver(wr,te,wing back) sets on wide side run a quick pitch or sweep short side,looking at like you do if that was stuffed immediately by a blitz you would say they were running/throwing wide side because it made sense instead of out guessing the opponentIt seems you're maybe arguing two separate points. HB is arguing the zone read vs. called handoff thing, all within the context of an RPO and not doing it all the politely. (FWIW, it was almost assuredly a zone read within an RPO)
It's clear from other debates that if someone disagrees they don't have a clue.Do you have a problem with what coaches or other websites state?You seem to think football is set piece procedure.Try misdirection we use to run a lot of that in HS 3 receiver(wr,te,wing back) sets on wide side run a quick pitch or sweep short side,looking at like you do if that was stuffed immediately by a blitz you would say they were running/throwing wide side because it made sense instead of out guessing the opponentThat’s rich, coming from the person who is the most opinionated on this forum!
In Tates defense they aren't running him. I'm guessing he wants this, to throw. He never has designed runs.Last time I saw them play I saw maybe 2-3 designed runs for him. Not sure why. Their OL is extremely bad but still.
That’s rich, coming from the person who is the most opinionated on this forum!Who took to the name calling?try listening to the Buckeye Round Table Roy Hall,Skip Mosic,Paul Keels,Jim lachey and Tim May said zone read look designed draw.Again why isn't Herbie apologizing,he certainly would if he had your incredible insight.Lot of deflection going on no writers or reporters suggesting McSorley made the wrong read,how come?Oh that's right probably going with what was called - that's rich
Look, watch the film, and if you still think that was a designed handoff, and not what the film obviously shows, then that’s fine.
What you and I think is not important, the film tells all.
Not one beat writer or fan or blogger has said - with the little bit of time I've that McSorley made a bad read.None of the PSU coaches,the reporters,writers.If McSorley made a bad read you'd think at least one writer,reporter,blogger in the fookin' state might have mentioned it.McSorley still would have had a great game even with a bad read at the end - yet crickets,IMO it was a designed run.And I don't need to hear what a dumbshit I am for having that opinion.Specially when I've not heard or read any proof to the contrary,Herbstreit did not retract his statement and Franklin doesn't want to talk about it - end of rantThat's because he didn't make a bad read.
I guess I better take a look at the film and render a decisionPlease do. It’s all that matters. But please don’t laugh out loud when you see it and think of it as a “ draw” play. It couldn’t be further from a draw play.
There definitely going to be arguments on both sides of this. Anyone that says they know for sure is lying to themselves. It’s comical that anyone is taking the stance that their opinion is correct because you weren’t in the huddle, nor on the sideline. I thought it was a bad play call, but I don’t know jack squat.Ok Super. Watch this a couple times, every single player.
When did we become a group or intolerant know it alls? Good god is arrogance abound lately.
At the Heartbreak Hotel? Franklin got the last vacancyI didn't know there was a Lonely St. in State College
Ok Super. Watch this a couple times, every single player.that play is SO poorly blocked, it's hard to tell it's an offensive play
Then tell me if this is a draw play, with a straight face lol. It’s not about who is right, it’s about the film. It tells you all you need to know.
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hah!
Now, read this expert analysis.
It tells you all you need to know.No it doesn't Trace could have swung immediately wide right.Herbstreit,Tim May(columbus Dispatch),the Buckeye Roundtable and Blue-White Illustrated - ya know guys who get payed to cover the game say hello.
that play is SO poorly blocked, it's hard to tell it's an offensive playYes, and the only thing they said about intent was they thought they saw something in OSU defensive alignment. But you can attack that multiple ways.
if McSorely was reading the play, it wasn't a poor read
If he wasn't reading the play and simply handing off, it was supposed to give the appearance of a read/option to decoy the defense
Obviously can't determine intent by the film. Gotta take the player's and coach's word for the intent from the post game comments
Obviously can't determine intent by the film.Thank You FF you get a cookie
No it doesn't Trace could have swung immediately wide right.Herbstreit,Tim May(columbus Dispatch),the Buckeye Roundtable and Blue-White Illustrated - ya know guys who get payed to cover the game say hello.Omg dude.where is there post game analysis? Your grasping at straws. Read the ONLY post game expert analysis posted above.
Thank You FF you get a cookieWhen you can show me expert analysis ( not just talking bobble heads) that agrees with your theory, I will think your on to something.
Ok Super. Watch this a couple times, every single player.No, it’s about what the egos here have turned into. People on this board used to talk football and approach each other with respect ,even when their perception of reality was on different sides of the aisle. Now, the second someone disagrees, it turns into name calling and mocking. It’s honestly sad. It’s a reflection of what social media has done to society.
Then tell me if this is a draw play, with a straight face lol. It’s not about who is right, it’s about the film. It tells you all you need to know.
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When you can show me expert analysis ( not just talking bobble heads) that agrees with your theory, I will think your on to something.You obviously chose not to read my earlier posts from experts not named Honest Buckeye
I just posted definitive film analysis that proves what I am saying. Do you still dispute it?
You obviously chose not to read my earlier posts from experts not named Honest BuckeyeI have read everything you have posted. No analysis with film.
No, it’s about what the egos here have turned into. People on this board used to talk football and approach each other with respect ,even when their perception of reality was on different sides of the aisle. Now, the second someone disagrees, it turns into name calling and mocking. It’s honestly sad. It’s a reflection of what social media has done to society.Well your partially correct, about the society part. When presented with facts, and film to back it up, people will just create their own narrative. Ego has nothing to do with the person presenting facts and evidence.
I have no idea what the play was supposed to be. I do know Ohio State blows it up, which tells me it was a bad play call and a well executed play and defensive call.
that play is SO poorly blocked, it's hard to tell it's an offensive play
If this threatens one's manliness, there are probably some thunder sticks that can be providedEntirely fair. I didn't like what I wrote about pom poms. I just feel that way. But thunder sticks suck, too. Maybe I'm just against mass produced props. Not all props, though. The individualized constumes are great. Those and clever signs do a lot for the game ... that I like.
From Chris Lauderbach of 11 warriorsI'm going to be polite about this. Mr. Lauderbach does not know what a draw is. Running a draw is about what the offensive line is doing. They're blocking inside zone. If you block draw, at the very least, the offensive tackles fake a pass set. So this was not that.WITHOUT A TRACETrace McSorley is a damn ball player. He'll end his career with a 1-2 record against Ohio State but I offer respect to a dude that just kept coming.McSorley only completed 16-of-32 throws but a handful of them were huge connections as he amassed 286 yards through the air with a pair of touchdowns.Of course, McSorley did his best work with his feet, consistently punishing Ohio State for either failing to account for him in man coverage or simply roasting the spy on the way to 25 carries for 175 yards including jaunts of 19, 23 and 51 yards.
Subtract McSorley from the running game and Penn State went for just 31 yards on 19 carries.The reality is that Ohio State caught a break when James Franklin and company took two timeouts before dialing up a draw play on 4th-and-5 to effectively end the game. I have no idea how you don't dance with who brought you in that scenario but Buckeye fans will take it. At the same time, I tip my cap to the kid.Again it was a designed draw with a zone read look,Blue-White Illustrated said the same thing.So did the Buckeye Round table that ended 20 minutes ago.Show me where a beat writer or reporter couldn't or wouldn't suggest Trace faffed the play?No motion,no attempted roll out,that play broke right immediately,regardless of what happened on the left had Chase Young not hooked inside to the gap it might have worked,either way I agree with Herbstreit it was a designed run/draw
Wisconsin @ Michigan will be a night game. Kick off at 7:30pm. Literally just announced on twitter by Michigan.Weird times ... because I think PSU is going to be that, too.
That's an absolutely absurd statement. What pass? His 7 yard pass to Nico? His 9 yard pass to Wangler? The 13 yarder to Gentry?Not that I want to get too into it, but I do like Patterson's game.
Patterson has shown a fear or inability to throw down field. His best asset right now are his legs, keeping him out of trouble. So far, I've seen nothing special about the kid. With QB's, you either have "IT" or you don't. Coming from a Browns fan that has seen junk for two decades, I'm good at picking out average QBs. When a Baker Mayfield steps in front of you, you know what's special and what's not. Patterson is not special, nor is he the savior of Michigan football. Something that a lot of people will learn against PSU, MSU & Wisconsin shortly.
Many people will blame the play calling and I have been one of them, but Patterson actually had plenty of opportunities to throw down field on Saturday and he didn't pull the trigger on multiple occasions. McCaffrey may not have as strong of an arm, but he had an it factor. I'll take poise & decision making over arm strength.
that play is SO poorly blocked, it's hard to tell it's an offensive playDo we have that?
if McSorely was reading the play, it wasn't a poor read
If he wasn't reading the play and simply handing off, it was supposed to give the appearance of a read/option to decoy the defense
Obviously can't determine intent by the film. Gotta take the player's and coach's word for the intent from the post game comments
Do we have that?don't know, I got here late, but there were comments about coaches comments upthread
Well your partially correct, about the society part. When presented with facts, and film to back it up, people will just create their own narrative. Ego has nothing to do with the person presenting facts and evidence.You win.
But thanks for your lesson master.
This is the thing. The play call is irrelevant if it's blocked poorly.So very true. The play was destroyed. Couple things COULD contribute. Terrible formation and play call given the circumstances. Poorly executed play or blocking. Great play call by the defense. Great execution by the defense. A combination of a few of the above.
Not that I want to get too into it, but I do like Patterson's game.I see a lot of holes in his game, but I’m not a qb expert so time will tell. I think a lot of UM fans will be disappointed by the end of 2018 and looking to point the fingers. Some of it will be the play calling, some of it the o-line, but I also think some of it is oatterson’s Inability to throw down field.
NU was his worst outing this season but ultimately fine.
That's an absolutely absurd statement. What pass? His 7 yard pass to Nico? His 9 yard pass to Wangler? The 13 yarder to Gentry?Your statement is absolutely absurd actually.
Patterson has shown a fear or inability to throw down field. His best asset right now are his legs, keeping him out of trouble. So far, I've seen nothing special about the kid. With QB's, you either have "IT" or you don't. Coming from a Browns fan that has seen junk for two decades, I'm good at picking out average QBs. When a Baker Mayfield steps in front of you, you know what's special and what's not. Patterson is not special, nor is he the savior of Michigan football. Something that a lot of people will learn against PSU, MSU & Wisconsin shortly.
Many people will blame the play calling and I have been one of them, but Patterson actually had plenty of opportunities to throw down field on Saturday and he didn't pull the trigger on multiple occasions. McCaffrey may not have as strong of an arm, but he had an it factor. I'll take poise & decision making over arm strength.
I see a lot of holes in his game, but I’m not a qb expert so time will tell. I think a lot of UM fans will be disappointed by the end of 2018 and looking to point the fingers. Some of it will be the play calling, some of it the o-line, but I also think some of it is oatterson’s Inability to throw down field.They will be disappointed because the defense isn't as good as it was last year or could be because of personnel. The interior DL is mediocre at best. Moving Gary inside and getting Solomon back could really help boost it up. The safeties suck. Benching Mettelus for Hawkins and maybe trying Casey Hughes or anyone instead of Kinnel might help. And that All-World CB duo isn't playing up to the level that it was last year.
Again, I’ll happily be wrong. Just my September take.
I have read everything you have posted. No analysis with film.So you splice your POV to the end of Game film and call it analysis.THAT's your evidence?Smashing detective work there Deputy Fife.My posts are content gathered from individuals who cover the game for a living.Unlike your belligerent foray into the matter.Thanks for your lesson Master
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Ed ZAcherythat could be possible I guess...anything is possible. We will never know- because that's your speculation. Never heard of it before- running a read option, which leaves people unblocked- and instructing team to just take first option.
the play called my have been the option play, but the coach instructs the players that there will be NO option! IT's a straight run with the look of an option to decoy the defense.
Sometimes good coaches do this to prevent a kid from making a huge mistake and taking the responsibility for the play call. I think they should probably do this more often.
Ed ZAcheryI believe the hybrid zone read option Hoke first ran with Denard was always pre-determined.
the play called my have been the option play, but the coach instructs the players that there will be NO option! IT's a straight run with the look of an option to decoy the defense.
Sometimes good coaches do this to prevent a kid from making a huge mistake and taking the responsibility for the play call. I think they should probably do this more often.
I believe the hybrid zone read option Hoke first ran with Denard was always pre-determined.AH yes. The Denard career killer. I believe you are correct. I really wish we saw another year of Denard with RichRod. The defense was god awful, but watching that kid in that offense was a lot of fun.
AH yes. The Denard career killer. I believe you are correct. I really wish we saw another year of Denard with RichRod. The defense was god awful, but watching that kid in that offense was a lot of fun.Maybe it would have been better with another year, but I just never saw Denard develop. From my perspective as an opposing fan, when I saw Denard as a freshman I thought "that kid is going to be REALLY tough to beat in a few years." He simply never got there. He was super exciting because on any given play he was much more likely than your average player to do something really good but he was also much more likely than your average player to do something really bad. Most players, as they gain experience, learn to limit those really bad plays but my view of Denard was that he looked almost exactly the same by the time he left Ann Arbor as he had looked when he arrived. He was still a super exciting player but it was still for both good (for his team) and bad (for his team) reasons.
that could be possible I guess...anything is possible. We will never know- because that's your speculation. Never heard of it before- running a read option, which leaves people unblocked- and instructing team to just take first option.first - you should listen to better "experts" like me
but- there is no doubt that the play ran, and the formation, was a zone read with an RPO, even if it was just a decoy. and that's all that was ever being debated-- it was never an off tackle dive or a draw.
first - you should listen to better "experts" like meI think Dr Tom and Scott Frost would like a word with you
You would have?if you get a big raise don't mention it around hereI just did. And I didn't offer to give any of it to anyone. But it's not exactly "B1G football head coaching" money, and the cost of living in Orange County isn't quite the same as it is in West Lafayette lol...
I'm surprised by the seemingly near-consensus of "the play didn't work, so it was a bad play call" here.They called a running play for their running back. The running back had not been able to run the ball against OSU all night. It was a bad call.
Consider the OL blocking, what in the hell play call would have worked?????? They called the play they called for a reason. It didn't work. This does not make it a poor play call.
I just did. And I didn't offer to give any of it to anyone. But it's not exactly "B1G football head coaching" money, and the cost of living in Orange County isn't quite the same as it is in West Lafayette lol...C'mon now it's the thought that counts and actions speak louder than words,Cali inflation be damned
I'm surprised by the seemingly near-consensus of "the play didn't work, so it was a bad play call" here.I'm in the "near" camp and not in the "consensus" camp
So the entire team sucks except for the qb recruit because he was the #1 recruit in the nation a few years ago. Got it.Never said the entire team sucks. Some starters and players who get starting like minutes (*cough* McKeon) sure do suck though.
And somehow Higdon sucks even though he’s the only Michigan player to find the end zone this week, which he happened to find twicle. Hopefully when Patterson is done walking on water, he can actually throw for a touchdown. The Messiah threw for zero touchdowns against The Irish and Northwestern. He had a staggering 120 yards passing against Nebraska.
I’m confident Patterson will put up good numbers against poor defenses, but it’s going to be a hard landing after he faces Wisconsin, State and PSU in consecutive games. Like I said, I’ll happily eat crow.
To be clear, I’m not saying he can’t throw the ball. He throws a very nice ball. He doesn’t have the IT. He doesn’t have the moxie or the special factor in my eyes. I spend about 3 hours a week watching football, so I’m clearly not the expect, but just my take. He proves me wrong, we’re both happy campers.
Admitting you are wrong is the 1st step in recovery :105: -I kid,I kid.Things got over analyzed - it's football - read & react.It cracks me up all the different names given to the variety of formations and schemes.Yogi Berra once said "you can't think and hit at the same time"IMO that applies to football also - so much of it is improvisational.And way too many times formation or intent are disguised or flat out spoofed to confuse the opposition.The immediate hand off from McSorley didn't look anywhere except to Sanders.Herbstreit recognized it - he gets his chops busted a lot but he's dialed in IMO.Was a great game to watch - that took a couple of years of my life that I can ill afford to lose at this timehe literally called it a zone read as it happened.
before that he states he was shocked,why not put the ball in to the hands of Trace McSorley with option to throw or run.Indicating it was a bad call to go to Sanders.Either way it was a designed run.There was a lot of action/emotion and I never really listened past the tackle except that he said it was a bad call(to hand off)Lol. Still talking about this, despite it being completely settles by SB Nation and Sports illustrates.
Lol. Still talking about this, despite it being completely settles by SB Nation and Sports illustrates.Really HB? I thought it was completely settled when the PSU Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, Quarterback, and Running Back all called it a running play.*
Really HB? I thought it was completely settled when the PSU Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, Quarterback, and Running Back all called it a running play.*Yes , those words were said. But never was it said that the zone read/RPO formation, which is on film, and movements, which are on film and not disputable as proven by the expert analysis I have now seen on three websites, were instructions to run and ignore both the keep and throw options.
*See quotes and links up-thread
I think Nubbz and HB should duke it out.there you go
I think Nubbz and HB should duke it out.Ha Ha. Ok- lets do rock, paper scissors! I will go first Nubzz.
Next topic...I'm guessing that's a chic in a dress & suit top.I just got done with 6 hrs of sanding/scraping/scrubbing/taping off/Painting so kinda cross eyed right now with debris and paint in my eye sockets
White & gold, or blue & black?
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White & goldCindy has Dyslexia - ya know like a stop sign reads pots to them,but she passed pyschics in school.Wonder what life would be like for someone color blind & dyslexia.They'd prolly turn out to be geniuses that I'd be working for
but, I'm color blind
Are those supposed to be the only two options? I'm gettin' gold and a light shade of Columbia blue.Dern It! play along nicely!
Cindy has Dyslexia - ya know like a stop sign reads pots to them,but she passed pyschics in school.Wonder what life would be like for someone color blind & dyslexia.They'd prolly turn out to be geniuses that I'd be working forI'm color blind and dyslexic
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