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Topic: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC

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bayareabadger

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #196 on: October 01, 2018, 10:29:19 PM »
From Chris Lauderbach of 11 warriors

WITHOUT A TRACE






Trace McSorley is a damn ball player. He'll end his career with a 1-2 record against Ohio State but I offer respect to a dude that just kept coming.






McSorley only completed 16-of-32 throws but a handful of them were huge connections as he amassed 286 yards through the air with a pair of touchdowns.






Of course, McSorley did his best work with his feet, consistently punishing Ohio State for either failing to account for him in man coverage or simply roasting the spy on the way to 25 carries for 175 yards including jaunts of 19, 23 and 51 yards.






Subtract McSorley from the running game and Penn State went for just 31 yards on 19 carries.
The reality is that Ohio State caught a break when James Franklin and company took two timeouts before dialing up a draw play on 4th-and-5 to effectively end the game. I have no idea how you don't dance with who brought you in that scenario but Buckeye fans will take it. At the same time, I tip my cap to the kid.






Again it was a designed draw with a zone read look,Blue-White Illustrated said the same thing.So did the Buckeye Round table that ended 20 minutes ago.Show me where a beat writer or reporter couldn't or wouldn't suggest Trace faffed the play?No motion,no attempted roll out,that play broke right immediately,regardless of what happened on the left had Chase Young not hooked inside to the gap it might have worked,either way I agree with Herbstreit it was a designed run/draw


I'm going to be polite about this. Mr. Lauderbach does not know what a draw is. Running a draw is about what the offensive line is doing. They're blocking inside zone. If you block draw, at the very least, the offensive tackles fake a pass set. So this was not that. 

On the broadcast, Herbstreit said it was a zone read. Just went back and listened. If you could kindly link to those other things, I'll take a look as well. 

I don't know what "No motion,no attempted roll out,that play broke right immediately" means. A roll out would've been a different sort of play. Breaking right is because the zone blocking is going right. Looking from the sky cam, Young getting through kind of saves it. There was a big gap behind LG and center. One of the three outside defenders still could've come across and maybe got him before five yards. Still interesting. 

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #197 on: October 01, 2018, 10:29:24 PM »
Wisconsin @ Michigan will be a night game. Kick off at 7:30pm. Literally just announced on twitter by Michigan.
Weird times ... because I think PSU is going to be that, too.
Not too long ago, Michigan didn't even have lights (had to rent them on trucks for 3:30-5PM start times).
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #198 on: October 01, 2018, 10:32:06 PM »
That's an absolutely absurd statement. What pass? His 7 yard pass to Nico? His 9 yard pass to Wangler? The 13 yarder to Gentry?
Patterson has shown a fear or inability to throw down field. His best asset right now are his legs, keeping him out of trouble. So far, I've seen nothing special about the kid. With QB's, you either have "IT" or you don't. Coming from a Browns fan that has seen junk for two decades, I'm good at picking out average QBs. When a Baker Mayfield steps in front of you, you know what's special and what's not. Patterson is not special, nor is he the savior of Michigan football. Something that a lot of people will learn against PSU, MSU & Wisconsin shortly.
Many people will blame the play calling and I have been one of them, but Patterson actually had plenty of opportunities to throw down field on Saturday and he didn't pull the trigger on multiple occasions. McCaffrey may not have as strong of an arm, but he had an it factor. I'll take poise & decision making over arm strength.
Not that I want to get too into it, but I do like Patterson's game. 
NU was his worst outing this season but ultimately fine.

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #199 on: October 01, 2018, 10:32:18 PM »
that play is SO poorly blocked, it's hard to tell it's an offensive play
if McSorely was reading the play, it wasn't a poor read
If he wasn't reading the play and simply handing off, it was supposed to give the appearance of a read/option to decoy the defense
Obviously can't determine intent by the film.  Gotta take the player's and coach's word for the intent from the post game comments
Do we have that?

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #200 on: October 01, 2018, 10:39:13 PM »
From Yahoo's Pete Thamel 

"Ohio State altered alignments from a three-down front to a four-down front. Penn State countered with another timeout. Ohio State stuck with the four-down, and on the head set Meyer said he heard: “They’re going to try and do a zone-read and get the quarterback the ball.”
Ohio State ran a technique they call “Tar” in which the two inside linemen, Jones and Jashon Cornell, run straight up the field and the ends, Young and Jonathon Cooper, loop around to follow in their wake. Cornell will be the unsung hero of the night, as he made enough of a push inside that it allowed Young a clear path to Sanders for the night’s clinching play. Young also had a sack earlier in that series to put Penn State four yards behind the chains, and he finished with two sacks, three tackles for loss and an earlier key fourth-down pass break-up. “It’s a coming-out party for him,” Meyer said, as Young is considered one of the three best pure talents on the Buckeyes’ roster."

Interestingly, there appears to be a much wider running lane than I thought when you see it from behind the QB. I'm more impressed by the play call actually, even if it feels highly risky. 

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #201 on: October 01, 2018, 10:46:09 PM »
Do we have that?
don't know, I got here late, but there were comments about coaches comments upthread
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #202 on: October 01, 2018, 10:59:38 PM »
Well your partially correct, about the society part. When presented with facts, and film to back it up, people will just create their own narrative.  Ego has nothing to do with the person presenting facts and evidence.  
But thanks for your lesson master.  
You win. 

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #203 on: October 01, 2018, 11:02:26 PM »
This is the thing.  The play call is irrelevant if it's blocked poorly.
So very true. The play was destroyed. Couple things COULD contribute. Terrible formation and play call given the circumstances. Poorly executed play or blocking. Great play call by the defense. Great execution by the defense. A combination of a few of the above.
What can’t be argued in my opinion, is that OSU defense made a great play.

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #204 on: October 01, 2018, 11:04:56 PM »
Not that I want to get too into it, but I do like Patterson's game.
NU was his worst outing this season but ultimately fine.
I see a lot of holes in his game, but I’m not a qb expert so time will tell. I think a lot of UM fans will be disappointed by the end of 2018 and looking to point the fingers. Some of it will be the play calling, some of it the o-line, but I also think some of it is oatterson’s Inability to throw down field.
Again, I’ll happily be wrong. Just my September take.

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #205 on: October 01, 2018, 11:10:03 PM »
Sure they did, which has no bearing on whether the play-call was good or bad.  From all the absurd research you guys have been doing, it looks like PSU ran an UNCONVENTIONAL play (ie, not risky or bad, merely not the usual, which by definition, would be a bad play-call) against a defense which was keying on something else (McSorley keeping the ball) and OSU lucked into blowing up the play.

Doesn't mean the play-call was bad.
Doesn't mean OSU didn't earn the stop.


The only truths I can glean from all this:
PSU's OL failed on that play
the level of study on this thread for this one play is nuts


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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #206 on: October 02, 2018, 12:05:31 AM »
That's an absolutely absurd statement. What pass? His 7 yard pass to Nico? His 9 yard pass to Wangler? The 13 yarder to Gentry?
Patterson has shown a fear or inability to throw down field. His best asset right now are his legs, keeping him out of trouble. So far, I've seen nothing special about the kid. With QB's, you either have "IT" or you don't. Coming from a Browns fan that has seen junk for two decades, I'm good at picking out average QBs. When a Baker Mayfield steps in front of you, you know what's special and what's not. Patterson is not special, nor is he the savior of Michigan football. Something that a lot of people will learn against PSU, MSU & Wisconsin shortly.
Many people will blame the play calling and I have been one of them, but Patterson actually had plenty of opportunities to throw down field on Saturday and he didn't pull the trigger on multiple occasions. McCaffrey may not have as strong of an arm, but he had an it factor. I'll take poise & decision making over arm strength.
Your statement is absolutely absurd actually.
Patterson came up clutch despite trash like McKeon dropping a perfectly thrown ball that hit him right in the numbers and the bum drops. That was a 20-30 yard beauty of a strike right on the numbers. And that waste of space McKeon dropped it. I have been saying since last year McKeon is garbage. But they continue to trot him out there and throw him the ball. It's assinine. Kid shouldn't be playing period. Shouldn't even be on scholarship. He sucks.

Why not talk about Karran Higdon having wide open run lanes only to get 5-6 yards. People need to get off Karran Higdon's you know what. The kid is average. That's it. Even a slightly above average back would've turned those 5 yard runs he gets into 30+. An elite one would've housed a few of them. They DO NOT have a legitimate running game. They have an offensive line that went from complete trash to mediocre. Improvement. Sure. But at the end of the day, it's still not remotely good enough. They have a stone age passing scheme. Wonder why they WR's can't get separation? The scheme sucks. And they have a dumb offensive football coach. And they were getting screwed over by the refs. Patterson got two big runs wiped out by highly questionable hold calls.
Go watch the game again. You are smoking something my friend. This team would be worse than the 8-5 squad last year without Patterson. The OL is even weaker than it was last year and the defense just isn't as good as it was last year. The safeties still suck- no improvement whatsoever from them in coverage and they both miss tackle after tackle and the young NFL level CB duo isn't playing at the same level they were last year. Long and Hill both look like they are going through the motions and might have one foot out the door waiting for the NFL draft to come. And let's not talk about the interior DL. Let's not mention all that BS hype on Mike Dwumfour was just that- hype. The interior DL sucks. This coaching staff sure likes to sunshine pump mediocre players up. All we heard all off-season is sunshine blowing about Marshall, Kemp, and Dwumfour. Not one of them is legit. Not one. Dwumfour just had his best game of the year but he was a ghost or a scapegoat the first 4 games.

Patterson absolutely is special. There's a reason why he was the unanimous #1 QB recruit in high school and the #3 player. There's a reason why he won the Elite 11 MVP. There's a reason why he won the Army Bowl MVP. The reason? His raw natural talent is off the charts. His ability to throw that football accurately DOWN THE FIELD is almost as elite as it gets. He throws the ball on the run nearly as accurately as he does in the pocket. That is not normal. And he's a way better runner, and way more athletic than people realize.

Your post is laughable. His 7 yard pass to Nico? Nah. How about the 36 yard pass he drilled on a dime right into Nico's chest. A ball that traveled over 40 yards in the air. His 13 yarder to Gentry? Nah how about the 23 yard BEAUTY he roped right in between two defenders that hit Gentry right in the numbers. A pass that traveled more than 30 yards in the air. His 9 yard pass to Wangler. Nah how about the one he threw all the way across the field to the sideline on a freaking dime that hit McKeon right in the hands on 2nd and 2 and the bum dropped it. A ball that was thrown LITERALLY PERFECTLY over 30+ yards in the air that some scrub dropped. Killed a drive right there. How about two 20+ yard passes to Eubanks that were absolutely perfect balls that were again 30+ yards in the air. GTFO out of here with this he can't throw downfield horseshit. His throws down the field are gorgeous. Patterson is completing nearly 69% of his passes. For 7 TD's and 2 INT's. Should be 8 and 1, but it's not his fault McKeon sucks.

McCaffrey threw 6 passes against ND. Literally not one of them traveled in the air over 12 yards. He's thrown 15 passes all year. He has shown absolutely nothing at all. He's shown an "it" factor. Lol. That is the absolutely laughable and absurd comment actually. McCaffrey has literally shown nothing.

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #207 on: October 02, 2018, 12:13:06 AM »
I see a lot of holes in his game, but I’m not a qb expert so time will tell. I think a lot of UM fans will be disappointed by the end of 2018 and looking to point the fingers. Some of it will be the play calling, some of it the o-line, but I also think some of it is oatterson’s Inability to throw down field.
Again, I’ll happily be wrong. Just my September take.
They will be disappointed because the defense isn't as good as it was last year or could be because of personnel. The interior DL is mediocre at best. Moving Gary inside and getting Solomon back could really help boost it up. The safeties suck. Benching Mettelus for Hawkins and maybe trying Casey Hughes or anyone instead of Kinnel might help. And that All-World CB duo isn't playing up to the level that it was last year.
The OL sucks. The RB's are average at best. And the offensive coaching staff with Pep and Harbaugh calling the plays might be one of the worst in the entire country. Michigan is missing Jedd Fisch in the worst way.
But yeah, blame the QB. Jesus. And Michigan fans wonder why everyone hates them.

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #208 on: October 02, 2018, 12:23:14 AM »
So the entire team sucks except for the qb recruit because he was the #1 recruit in the nation a few years ago. Got it.

And somehow Higdon sucks even though he’s the only Michigan player to find the end zone this week, which he happened to find twicle. Hopefully when Patterson is done walking on water, he can actually throw for a touchdown. The Messiah threw for zero touchdowns against The Irish and Northwestern. He had a staggering 120 yards passing against Nebraska. 

I’m confident Patterson will put up good numbers against poor defenses, but it’s going to be a hard landing after he faces Wisconsin, State and PSU in consecutive games. Like I said, I’ll happily eat crow.

To be clear, I’m not saying he can’t throw the ball. He throws a very nice ball. He doesn’t have the IT. He doesn’t have the moxie or the special factor in my eyes. I spend about 3  hours a week watching football, so I’m clearly not the expect, but just my take. He proves me wrong, we’re both happy campers.

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #209 on: October 02, 2018, 08:09:29 AM »
I have read everything you have posted.  No analysis with film.
So you splice your POV to the end of Game film and call it analysis.THAT's your evidence?Smashing detective work there Deputy Fife.My posts are content gathered from individuals who cover the game for a living.Unlike your belligerent foray into the matter.Thanks for your lesson Master
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