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Title: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on September 29, 2018, 07:08:02 AM
Perfect fall weather here in Columbus.  Should rise up to the upper 60's before settling back down into the 50's for game time this evening.  Going over to my buddy's house, should have a pretty good fire going and be able to watch the game outside.  Not sure what sort of food to make.  Probably some sort of dip, but I never went to the store so I guess Id better figure it out fast, huh?
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on September 29, 2018, 07:12:02 AM
Your schedule
Noon
CMU at MSU, FS1
Indiana at Rutgers, BTN
3:30
Purdue at Nebraska, BTN
4:30
Michigan at Northwestern, FOX
7:30 
OSU at PSU, ABC

Other games
Noon, WVU at Texas Tech, ESPN2
Syracuse at Clemson, Noon, ABC
Florida @ Miss. St, 6 pm, ESPN
Stanford at ND, 7:30, NBC
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 29, 2018, 07:17:27 AM
Lots of good games in the primetime spots this week. I'll stick with the Whiteout.



Heading up to the harbor in a while. Gonna be cold up there!
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on September 29, 2018, 07:53:45 AM
cool wet weather here and in Lincoln

headed to Lincoln in a few minutes

breakfast with my daughter at Tina's Cafe!

GO BIG RED!!!
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 29, 2018, 09:07:17 AM
Obviously, this is a bye week for Big Red. It was much-needed after the bloodbath with Iowa last weekend. Iowa is off too.



Anyway, the UNL game next weekend will be under the lights. The following week UW is at Michigan, and that could turn into a night game too. That would mark 3 night games in a row for UW. Not sure that's ever happened before. I doubt it. 



Ohio State plays Minnie that day, and MSU plays PSU. All the other games are set for Noon, so the 3 games will be 2:30 or later. Is it now a definite that ABC and Fox each get an afternoon slot, or does BTN come into play? Same question for the primetime slot I guess. Anyone know how this works?
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on September 29, 2018, 09:10:49 AM
Obviously, this is a bye week for Big Red. It was much-needed after the bloodbath with Iowa last weekend. Iowa is off too.



Anyway, the UNL game next weekend will be under the lights. The following week UW is at Michigan, and that could turn into a night game too. That would mark 3 night games in a row for UW. Not sure that's ever happened before. I doubt it.



Ohio State plays Minnie that day, and MSU plays PSU. All the other games are set for Noon, so the 3 games will be 2:30 or later. Is it now a definite that ABC and Fox each get an afternoon slot, or does BTN come into play? Same question for the primetime slot I guess. Anyone know how this works?
I was talking this over with someone. TV is driving more games later. From a sitting at home watching all games perspective, not ideal. 
But for a fans heading to the game perspective, is this better or not. Night games are clearly less special, but you have fewer 11 am games, which few people liked outside getting to watch Big night games. 
Anyone have strong feelings?
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on September 29, 2018, 09:12:52 AM




Ohio State plays Minnie that day, and MSU plays PSU. All the other games are set for Noon, so the 3 games will be 2:30 or later. Is it now a definite that ABC and Fox each get an afternoon slot, or does BTN come into play? Same question for the primetime slot I guess. Anyone know how this works?
BTN would have to have a game (I’m pretty sure), but ABC and FOX don’t need big Ten games. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 29, 2018, 09:27:48 AM
When I was going to every game, I always liked the 11AM slot best. Especially after I decided to no longer partake in alcohol before games. A night game made for a really long day at the tailgate, but they were much more rare back then.



As a TV guy now, Night games aren't bad but I prefer the 11:00 or night slot over the 2:30 slot. If you have things going during the day, the 2:30 interferes the most. And it seems like there is always something going, so, yeah.



Seems like ABC and Fox have been getting afternoon B1G slots lately, but BTN seems to have been getting them as well as night slots. And I stand corrected yet again this morning. Illinois/Purdue is not slotted for that day yet, so they too could end up getting a BTN afternoon or night slot.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 09:45:28 AM
 Not sure what sort of food to make.  
Slow roasted Brats - indirect grilled - oil the casings,brown mustard,diced fresh onions,Kaiser roll - there are also some specialty buns pepperidge farms produces.Wash down with Oktoberfest.Of course I'll reign in the Fest consumption since the Scarlett & Gray play later
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 09:54:16 AM
I like the noon and to a lesser degree 3:30 K.O.'s.Late games are cheap garbage IMO unless it's the PAC after dark - that usually delivers
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 29, 2018, 10:04:44 AM
I'm used to night games. Been that way for years in Columbus. 

Mt Union is coming to town today, so I might have to head over there for a bit.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on September 29, 2018, 10:21:14 AM
Pedant alert, Pedant alert.

UW is idle this week.   UW is idle this week.   There are no byes.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 29, 2018, 10:24:15 AM
Hah!



No cook today. Heading to a good old fashioned supper club in Kenosha tonight, before the Whiteout kickoff. I love me some supper club. Good food and gigantic drinks.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on September 29, 2018, 10:25:53 AM
There are a few too many night games for my liking.   I don't say that as an attending fan, but as someone seeking better game dispersion throughout the day.

Kids volleyball is set for Sunday now the next couple weeks, so that's good.   Hosting a party later this afternoon.  BGE will be put to work.   A couple 1/2 chickens and some smoked kielbasa.     Skirt steak and chicken on the gas grill for the non-smoked food crowd.    This is a 'candy' themed kid party,  'ooey gooey' party, to celebrate the removal of certain orthodontic (metal mouth) applications.   I see it as a reason to fire up the Egg.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 29, 2018, 11:01:37 AM
With it being a 12:30 PT kick for Purdue - UNL, my wife is making pulled pork nachos for the game. I picked the right girl :)
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on September 29, 2018, 11:14:48 AM
We will have another nice swatch of B1G alum over for this party.  IU, Purdue, Mich,  NW, N, PSU and UW.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 11:35:36 AM
With it being a 12:30 PT kick for Purdue - UNL, my wife is making pulled pork nachos for the game. I picked the right girl :)
IPAs don't go with pulled pork - actually they don't go with anything - try the Helles Lager or Marzen
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 11:39:43 AM
We will have another nice swatch of B1G alum over for this party.  IU, Purdue, Mich,  NW, N, PSU and UW.
You hosting or belong to a club?That's a lot of games to watch.I'm plugging in the radio and working outside just got some staining done.Could be a bad winter I have 2 oaks in the back and I can't recall THIS MANY ACORNS to pick up/rake.Beautiful autumn afternoon in N.E.Ohio
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on September 29, 2018, 11:43:27 AM
I have a fixed 3 tv set up.   Our block alone has 7 diff B1G alum plus some Pac folks.  Truth be told it's only the NW Purdue, and yours truly that will be engaged w the football at this party.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 29, 2018, 11:50:35 AM
If late games bother you that much, then just move out west.  First games start at 9am and the late games are over by 10.  It's nice.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on September 29, 2018, 11:53:33 AM
I'm a night owl and love the late night affairs just prefer a little more afternoon distribution.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on September 29, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Not a wonderful start for Sparty
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Kris60 on September 29, 2018, 01:46:02 PM
Had to help at a car wash for my kids’ school this AM.  My wife took over at noon so I could leave to watch WVU. They are woodshedding Texas Tech.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 29, 2018, 01:46:59 PM
Clemson is losing to Cuse again.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: ohio1317 on September 29, 2018, 01:54:52 PM
Didnt see it (at work) but Clemson quarteback out injured.  Backup (who had been starter) announced this week taking redshirt and transferring out.  Not sure how bad.  Live betting puts clemson as slight favorite still.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 29, 2018, 01:57:59 PM
IPAs don't go with pulled pork - actually they don't go with anything - try the Helles Lager or Marzen
Haha, the vendetta continues.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 29, 2018, 02:02:55 PM
Just finished a Two-Hearted and Bloody Mary. The wife's in town and so is a music festival, making for good downtown people-watching. Now back home to cook up some Monterrey Jack burgers with onion jam and zucchini fries. I can cook things. It's basically just biochemistry. Who knew?!
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 02:10:58 PM
Haha, the vendetta continues.
Good memory,not my favorite style but like the old Bavarian Proverb said "there are no bad beers,some are just better than others" - Prost.Where's downtown for you - you're in Pa,right?
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 29, 2018, 02:11:42 PM
Haha, the vendetta continues.
But pulled port goes with everything....
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 02:14:17 PM
Didn't see it (at work) but Clemson quarteback out injured.  Backup (who had been starter) announced this week taking redshirt and transferring out.  Not sure how bad.  Live betting puts clemson as slight favorite still.
I think I brought that scenario up in that thread and just talked to a buddy today about that.Dabo's eating some crow right now
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 02:15:13 PM
But pulled port goes with everything....
Do you mean Porter/Stoudt? :singing:
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 29, 2018, 02:29:30 PM
Good memory,not my favorite style but like the old Bavarian Proverb said "there are no bad beers,some are just better than others" - Prost.Where's downtown for you - you're in Pa,right?
(1) No doubt. And that better/worst thing is different for everyone. Unless I'm dropping in a scoop of vanilla ice cream, I dislike smooth, creamy, low CO2 beers and chase bite. IPAs are most fitting for me. Some are bad, but the best are all I want. I doubt I'll ever go back.
(2) Bloomington. Hoosiertown, USA.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 03:00:09 PM
Getting you confused with ELA,heard many nice/positive things about Bloomington,supposedly a beautiful area.As far as the IPAs....don't do it your still a young man
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Kris60 on September 29, 2018, 03:04:04 PM
After a 28 point 1st quarter WVU has scored just one TD since and Texas Tech has a first and goal. A TD here makes it interesting again.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Kris60 on September 29, 2018, 03:08:30 PM
FG by Texas Tech cuts it to 35-20 with 12:34 to play. Plenty of time in Lubbock. WVU needs a score
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Kris60 on September 29, 2018, 03:22:05 PM
35-27 WVU with 7:50 to play. It’s officially a ball game again.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on September 29, 2018, 03:26:07 PM
Clemson escapes
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 29, 2018, 03:33:11 PM
Getting you confused with ELA,heard many nice/positive things about Bloomington,supposedly a beautiful area.As far as the IPAs....don't do it your still a young man
I don't only drink IPA  
Sometimes I drink APA. 
Actually  right now I'm starting the day with a bloody Mary. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on September 29, 2018, 03:38:03 PM
(1) No doubt. And that better/worst thing is different for everyone. Unless I'm dropping in a scoop of vanilla ice cream, I dislike smooth, creamy, low CO2 beers and chase bite. IPAs are most fitting for me. Some are bad, but the best are all I want. I doubt I'll ever go back.
(2) Bloomington. Hoosiertown, USA.
Refresh my memory- you are in engineering if I recall?  My youngest daughter lives in Bloomington- in engineering.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: TyphonInc on September 29, 2018, 03:47:51 PM
LET'S GO BUCKS! BEAT THOSE KITTIES! 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 29, 2018, 03:51:46 PM
Purdue defense back to looking like a doormat. Down 7-0 to the farmers. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 29, 2018, 04:03:18 PM
Quiet in here today.


And yes, dudekd, cooking is rooted in science. Keep going and before long recipes are no longer needed. If you really enjoy cooking, buy Julia's Mastering the Art of French Cooking series, and also buy a book called the Flavor Bible.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 29, 2018, 04:07:28 PM
Cooking is applied science. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on September 29, 2018, 04:09:07 PM
I love a good flea flicker
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Mdot21 on September 29, 2018, 04:42:40 PM
why the hell is baseball still on my tv? I hate baseball.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: DevilFroggy on September 29, 2018, 04:55:56 PM
98 and sunny in Phoenix, should still be a bit warm when my Devils take on the Beavers tonight. Unfortunately I won't be there, I'm about to head to work.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 29, 2018, 04:56:29 PM
Attaboy, Northwestern. 

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flaborunionreport.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F02%2FNorthwestern-Cheerleader.jpg&hash=68b8856af84ebdb57164821a558cf542)
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 05:07:39 PM
why the hell is baseball still on my tv? I hate baseball.
LMAO! ALIENS be my guess,quit your bitching they had soccer on NBC on CFB Saturday last week.Nothings sacred I tell ya
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 05:08:22 PM
Attaboy, Northwestern.

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flaborunionreport.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F02%2FNorthwestern-Cheerleader.jpg&hash=68b8856af84ebdb57164821a558cf542)
NU Wildcat would approve
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 05:11:35 PM
98 and sunny in Phoenix, should still be a bit warm when my Devils take on the Beavers tonight.
Devils and Beavers sometimes they're one and the same
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 05:15:02 PM
And yes, dudekd, cooking is rooted in science.
Thought it was rooted in hunger
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: SuperMario on September 29, 2018, 05:24:59 PM
Michigan needs to go to the page in their playbook that has the bubble screen and tear it out and throw it in the garbage. They’ve run it a dozen times this year and I don’t remember gaining more than a yard
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 29, 2018, 05:32:27 PM
Refresh my memory- you are in engineering if I recall?  My youngest daughter lives in Bloomington- in engineering.
Cool! They are really moving fast on ramping up engineering here. Not entirely unrelated: I'm elsewhere, merging medicine (clinical) and biochemistry (research).
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 29, 2018, 05:35:32 PM
The Wolverines have dug themselves a pretty deep hole here. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on September 29, 2018, 05:35:48 PM
Michigan looking the opposite of good
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 29, 2018, 05:38:17 PM
Michigan looking the opposite of good
Not... not good? 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 29, 2018, 05:44:31 PM
They'll need a lot more than that but it is a relief to see the offense score the first drive it changes its approach.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 29, 2018, 06:22:19 PM
Northwestern looked like they were starting to buckle in the second quarter. They are lucky to still be up by 10. Mostly because of some inopportune Michigan penalties. 

If they don't catch their second wind, they will get steamrolled in the second half. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 29, 2018, 06:23:32 PM
I reeeeeally thought Nico was in bounds on that final drive (conversion attempt on 3rd). His toes were way out when they landed but his heels hit first. Big feet. Very consequential.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on September 29, 2018, 06:23:58 PM
Cool! They are really moving fast on ramping up engineering here. Not entirely unrelated: I'm elsewhere, merging medicine (clinical) and biochemistry (research).
So cool.   She likes it there. I think she is at a company that designs/ produces/ tests biomedical devices.   
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 29, 2018, 06:25:29 PM
Purdue scores twice in the 3rd but Nebraska quickly answers to keep pace. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on September 29, 2018, 06:26:03 PM
Northwestern looked like they were starting to buckle in the second quarter. They are lucky to still be up by 10. Mostly because of some inopportune Michigan penalties.

If they don't catch their second wind, they will get steamrolled in the second half.
Agree.  Fitzgerald is great coach.  He is doing the best he can with what he has, but Michigan will overwhelm them in the second half.  Too much talent.  
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 29, 2018, 06:26:08 PM
Moore is freaking awesome  
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 29, 2018, 06:27:44 PM
So cool.   She likes it there. I think she is at a company that designs/ produces/ tests biomedical devices.  
Ah I knew she wasn't an IU student, but my comment was as if she were. Cook Medical, maybe? My buddy is kind of high up on the executive side. They seem to be **thriving** since selling off Cook Pharmica to a company I don't recall.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 29, 2018, 06:32:45 PM
Zebras are going to need a police escort out of Lincoln after this one. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on September 29, 2018, 06:36:02 PM
Ah I knew she wasn't an IU student, but my comment was as if she were. Cook Medical, maybe? My buddy is kind of high up on the executive side. They seem to be **thriving** since selling off Cook Pharmica to a company I don't recall.
Great mind.  That’s where she works.  
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 06:39:45 PM
'Skers coming to life
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 06:41:04 PM
Zebras are going to need a police escort out of Lincoln after this one.
Just turned it back on what happened?
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on September 29, 2018, 06:42:55 PM
Just turned it back on what happened?
Nothing particular. Nebraska is getting very heavily penalized. Most appear to be valid calls, but the crowd disagrees... 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 07:01:53 PM
Rashan Gary down for M
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 29, 2018, 07:17:12 PM
It is tough to see how Northwestern survives another quarter. No offense at all since their first three drives. 
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Post by: GopherRock on September 29, 2018, 07:24:33 PM
Does anyone seriously expect Northwestern to hang onto this game?
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 29, 2018, 07:31:00 PM
Holy crap, that "penalty" on Higdon. Ghost-inflicted, indeed.

Damaging, damaging ref incompetence there
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on September 29, 2018, 07:35:05 PM
Underdogs usually fade at the end, like 'Cuse at Clemson and App State at PSU.

Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Mdot21 on September 29, 2018, 07:35:41 PM
Holy crap, that "penalty" on Higdon. Ghost-inflicted, indeed.

Damaging, damaging ref incompetence there
absolutely terrible. it was a fake hand off. he pretended to run the ball and the defender tried to tackle him. how in the hell is that a hold? if that was a hold college offenses wouldn't exist. 90% of them run that read option crap.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 29, 2018, 07:47:29 PM
THATWASSOCREATIVE!!!
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: GopherRock on September 29, 2018, 07:53:21 PM
Buh bye Cats
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 29, 2018, 07:56:39 PM
Buh bye Cats
Not yet. Michigan can't afford to throw themselves into a win.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 29, 2018, 07:59:12 PM
THATWASSOCREATIVE!!!
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 29, 2018, 08:13:10 PM
For whatever this team is or isn't, ultimately will or won't prove, they fell 0-17 on the road and pulled off 20 unanswered sloooowly but consistently, and though that's not the height of CFB, it has its value.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Mdot21 on September 29, 2018, 08:13:43 PM
Harbaugh is special ed man. I’m sorry but he just does a lot of stupid shit.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 29, 2018, 08:15:35 PM
Harbaugh is special ed man. I’m sorry but he just does a lot of stupid shit.
That final TD and final 1st down aside, I agree; this was not his best performance.
The good news is that - all a sudden - the playbook proved deeper than we knew and at just the right times.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on September 29, 2018, 08:18:22 PM
For whatever this team is or isn't, ultimately will or won't prove, they fell 0-17 on the road and pulled off 20 unanswered sloooowly but consistently, and though that's not the height of CFB, it has its value.
Are you kidding?   Great win. It will only make them better.  Conference road games are HARD 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on September 29, 2018, 08:21:15 PM
OSU with a putrid plan on offense right now. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 08:30:16 PM
3 starters gone from last years O-Line but still throw the ball down the field at least past the 1st down marker
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 29, 2018, 08:31:42 PM
Haskins hit him,crap
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: rook119 on September 29, 2018, 08:35:33 PM
hope everything is OK

Tennessee State middle linebacker Christion Abercrombie collapsed on his way to the sideline shortly before halftime on Saturday in their game against Vanderbilt in Nashville after suffering a serious head injury.

Abercrombie was then carted off the field and transported to the Vanderbilt Medical Center, where he was reportedly not responding. Per the SEC Network announcers, Abercrombie is undergoing emergency surgery.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on September 29, 2018, 08:37:15 PM
Let's see if the receivers can contribute
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on September 29, 2018, 08:46:23 PM
hope everything is OK

Tennessee State middle linebacker Christion Abercrombie collapsed on his way to the sideline shortly before halftime on Saturday in their game against Vanderbilt in Nashville after suffering a serious head injury.

Abercrombie was then carted off the field and transported to the Vanderbilt Medical Center, where he was reportedly not responding. Per the SEC Network announcers, Abercrombie is undergoing emergency surgery.
Sad.  I am praying for him.  
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: GopherRock on September 29, 2018, 08:55:30 PM
Ohio State's best field position of the night and they can't do anything with it. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: GopherRock on September 29, 2018, 08:58:07 PM
Whoa. That dude fast.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on September 29, 2018, 09:02:29 PM
Feels like Tim Beck was imported to call plays
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: utee94 on September 29, 2018, 09:08:49 PM
Ugh.

He actually was hospitalized with an ear infection and didn't make the trip up to Manhattan, Kansas today.  
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Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 29, 2018, 09:17:19 PM
hope everything is OK

Tennessee State middle linebacker Christion Abercrombie collapsed on his way to the sideline shortly before halftime on Saturday in their game against Vanderbilt in Nashville after suffering a serious head injury.

Abercrombie was then carted off the field and transported to the Vanderbilt Medical Center, where he was reportedly not responding. Per the SEC Network announcers, Abercrombie is undergoing emergency surgery.
Oh no
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 29, 2018, 09:42:39 PM
Whew, Florida held on.  I'm starting to believe in our defense.  The offense is still a vanilla bean.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on September 29, 2018, 10:18:10 PM
2 best stadiums under the lights,  LSU which looks the best and PSU.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on September 29, 2018, 10:22:33 PM
Bail out call for PSU there
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Mdot21 on September 29, 2018, 10:37:41 PM
how did MSU and Michigan let KJ Hamler get away. That dude is fast as hell.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on September 29, 2018, 10:47:53 PM
OSU playcalling is stupid
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: SuperMario on September 29, 2018, 10:59:07 PM
Mcsorley put it into another gear. Kid is going at guys twice his size. Very polished and a lot of heart.  I’m not looking forward to seeing him next month. Impressive kid.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: SuperMario on September 29, 2018, 10:59:51 PM
OSU playcalling is stupid
It hasn’t been good. Worse than Michigan’s?  I don’t think so, but not great
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Mdot21 on September 29, 2018, 11:03:33 PM
Mcsorley put it into another gear. Kid is going at guys twice his size. Very polished and a lot of heart.  I’m not looking forward to seeing him next month. Impressive kid.
he's impressive for sure. perfect fit for that style of wide open shotgun spread offense where the QB is a threat to run. Shea Patterson would kill it in that sort of offense.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: GopherRock on September 29, 2018, 11:19:42 PM
At which point does PSU stop bringing 6 against the QB? Screen passes killing them on this list series, the ideal play to cool off a hot pass rush
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Post by: DevilFroggy on September 29, 2018, 11:23:06 PM
Sure enough, BYU not even a challenge for the Huskies.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Mdot21 on September 29, 2018, 11:24:17 PM
Sure enough, BYU not even a challenge for the Huskies.
how did Wisconsin lose to them at home?
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: mcwterps1 on September 29, 2018, 11:25:04 PM
I thought high stepping was illegal? 

Is that only for new members? 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Mdot21 on September 29, 2018, 11:25:55 PM
At which point does PSU stop bringing 6 against the QB? Screen passes killing them on this list series, the ideal play to cool off a hot pass rush
Michigan messed up playing man across the board and it was just pitch and catch for Haskins.
He's a young QB with not much playing experience. Way to trip him up is to give him exotic zone blitz looks. Disguise the coverage, make him think you're blitzing a LB or safety then have that LB/safety drop and send a corner on a blitz from another side.
Wisconsin ran that stuff to perfection last year. You want to trip him up, I think you gotta do that.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: SuperMario on September 29, 2018, 11:33:29 PM
That’s one bizarre final play call by PSU. You have one of the best qb’s in the nation and you call that? Weird
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 29, 2018, 11:34:58 PM
I don't believe it. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: rolltidefan on September 29, 2018, 11:35:49 PM
That was a great game
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Riffraft on September 29, 2018, 11:36:01 PM
Some times you just have to steal one
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on September 29, 2018, 11:36:38 PM
Psu kicking themselves.   Had chances. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: SuperMario on September 29, 2018, 11:39:01 PM
Psu kicking themselves.   Had chances.
Final play call will haunt them. So will not kicking the field goal earlier in the quarter.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: rook119 on September 29, 2018, 11:58:30 PM
RIP most exciting player in CFB
Khalil Tate rushing
153 att 1411 yards in 2017
23 att 31 yards in 2018
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 30, 2018, 12:07:10 AM
I don't have any stats to back it up, but it seems like every time a team completely dominates the first half but are only up by a TD or so, they often lose. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on September 30, 2018, 01:52:49 AM
In Tates defense they aren't running him.  I'm guessing he wants this, to throw. He never has designed runs. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: DevilFroggy on September 30, 2018, 03:13:04 AM
ASU with its first ever 300+ yard single game rusher.

Eno Benjamin with 30 carries at 10.4 ypc. Yeah, Oregon State's D is atrocious but that's still impressive.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 30, 2018, 03:19:55 AM
Meh, if PSU's 4th down call was "odd", then it should've worked.  It was certainly unexpected, which is a plus, but look at #71 in the replay.  Doesn't do a damn thing.  Literally stands up and pivots and blocks air.

Can't do that and have a play work, sorry.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Kris60 on September 30, 2018, 08:11:54 AM
Meh, if PSU's 4th down call was "odd", then it should've worked.  It was certainly unexpected, which is a plus, but look at #71 in the replay.  Doesn't do a damn thing.  Literally stands up and pivots and blocks air.

Can't do that and have a play work, sorry.
I really try to judge play calls based on the situation and not the result of the play.  If Penn St would have popped that for a TD I still would have said that was an odd play call.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 30, 2018, 08:35:31 AM
James Franklin forgot Saquon went to the NFL.I read somewhere that PSU is 5-6 in WHITE OUT Games.McSorley - what a baller great game.Last three years this contest has aged fans exponentially.There just wasn't enough beer
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on September 30, 2018, 09:30:00 AM
Meh, if PSU's 4th down call was "odd", then it should've worked.  It was certainly unexpected, which is a plus, but look at #71 in the replay.  Doesn't do a damn thing.  Literally stands up and pivots and blocks air.

Can't do that and have a play work, sorry.
this is how we think play calling works. This is not how play calling works. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: SuperMario on September 30, 2018, 10:04:44 AM
he's impressive for sure. perfect fit for that style of wide open shotgun spread offense where the QB is a threat to run. Shea Patterson would kill it in that sort of offense.
Am I the only Michigan fan underwhelmed by Patterson? Seems very indecisive and unwilling to throw down field. Granted, the play calling is awful and the bubble screens have to stop, but he had plenty of chances to air it out and took a sack or a very short qb run. 
When Patterson was out a few weeks back, I actually though Mccaffrey brought more energy and polish to the offense. Patterson has been a letdown from my seat.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 30, 2018, 10:08:57 AM
as soon as that play developed Herbie mentioned(and everyone else) that it should have been a McSorley option that - put the ball in his hands.Well Ya,stick with what works.PSU had just taken a TO also so I don't blame Lion fans for getting salty
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: 847badgerfan on September 30, 2018, 10:20:38 AM
how did Wisconsin lose to them at home?
Shit happens.
Washington is the only decent team in the PAC. Best coach too. Man, that conference has really taken a dive.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on September 30, 2018, 11:08:06 AM
This poses another question, which is how far should PSU fall in the rankings.  I'd argue, none at all.  Granted they were at home, but they were a play away from the W.  When you play the #4 team even even at home with the WO and you are #9, you should stay at #9.

ND impressed me yesterday, though I did not watch the game.  They looked awful against Vandy.  Even good teams look awful at times.  If you do that against decent competition, you can lose (Wis-BYU).

Bama however doesn't seem to look awful.  They are boring.  Strikeouts are boring.



Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 30, 2018, 11:26:06 AM
Penn St wasn't "a play away from the W." They went for it on forth because they were out of FG range. They were a play away from getting a first down.

Although I agree with the general premise that this loss shouldn't sink them in the rankings.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on September 30, 2018, 11:29:44 AM
A one point loss is simply put one play away from being a win, and vice versa.  It's not a specific one play, but in general.

It's also a play away from being an 8 point less in effect.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 30, 2018, 11:58:58 AM
Alright, now I'm picking up what you're laying down. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 30, 2018, 12:04:28 PM
2 best stadiums under the lights,  LSU which looks the best and PSU.
Eh, the "white outs" are getting kinda weird. 
A bunch of dudes waving pom poms the entire time? I dunno. 
"Male" cheerleaders don't even do that. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 30, 2018, 12:52:31 PM
this is how we think play calling works. This is not how play calling works.
You call plays with the assumption each player will do his job.  And it's a game of poker, not blackjack.  You don't just blindly go with your best play, because the other team knows what that is.  
A surprising play call is a good play call.  But if your players don't execute, it doesn't matter what you call.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 30, 2018, 02:00:37 PM
The dude had 16 carries for 43 yds on the day. It was a horrible call. 

Especially since they had three time outs to think it over; two by Penn State and one by OSU. 

They may have over-thunk it just a tad. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 30, 2018, 02:05:33 PM
And yet if the play was blocked correctly and the pass-rushers flew up the field the LBs dropped back and he got the 1st down, it would've been a "great", "gutsy" play-call.

This after-the-fact malarky is stupid.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 30, 2018, 02:09:57 PM
"IF" they scored a TD on every offensive play, it would have been a record setting blow out. 

So what?
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 30, 2018, 02:52:34 PM
Eh, the "white outs" are getting kinda weird.
A bunch of dudes waving pom poms the entire time? I dunno.
"Male" cheerleaders don't even do that.
I'm conflicted about pom poms. I usually dislike them. They just don't seem to fit with football - seem soft and classically feminine. On the other hand, the visual effect can be incredible, and they only increment fan participation.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on September 30, 2018, 03:36:05 PM
as soon as that play developed Herbie mentioned(and everyone else) that it should have been a McSorley option that - put the ball in his hands.Well Ya,stick with what works.PSU had just taken a TO also so I don't blame Lion fans for getting salty
It was.  PSU saw something in OSU alignment.   They called a read option- so McSorley did have the ball.  But two things happened— chase young stunted and Dre’Mont Jones blew up the play.  McSorley would have been drilled.  
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on September 30, 2018, 05:34:40 PM
It was.  PSU saw something in OSU alignment.   They called a read option- so McSorley did have the ball.  But two things happened— chase young stunted and Dre’Mont Jones blew up the play.  McSorley would have been drilled.  
Good eye. 
https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7
Shows that most of us fans have no idea what is going on. O0
No way he could have kept the ball and done anything with it. 

Folks would be howling "Why didn't he just hand it to Sanders? Jones was right there in his face!"
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: TyphonInc on September 30, 2018, 05:57:01 PM
1st - Here's to hoping that Christion Abercrombie from Tennessee State can recover. Just read he is still in critical condition after collapsing on the sideline.

2nd - man what a game, what a game. OSU suckered PSU into that 4th down play. Franklin and Mcsorley both said they had seen OSU line up like that and that there was a seam in the middle they could exploit. Then Chase did a stunt and filled in that gap. Boom, game over.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 30, 2018, 06:01:20 PM
It was.  PSU saw something in OSU alignment.  
Didn't appear to be an option he handed him the rock pretty quick.Franklin later at the presser said it was a bad call.Just the way the play set up - congestion instead of McSorley rolling out and freelancing.Great game shame someone had to lose.Hope every weekend has at least one competitive nail biter.hats off to McSorley & PSU
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 30, 2018, 06:02:42 PM
1st - Here's to hoping that Christion Abercrombie from Tennessee State can recover. Just read he is still in critical condition after collapsing on the sideline.
Absolutely good post
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on September 30, 2018, 06:07:18 PM
Such a sad story
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on September 30, 2018, 06:10:08 PM
Didn't appear to be an option he handed him the rock pretty quick.Franklin later at the presser said it was a bad call.Just the way the play set up - congestion instead of McSorley rolling out and freelancing.Great game shame someone had to lose.Hope every weekend has at least one competitive nail biter.hats off to McSorley & PSU
https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif (https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif)
It WAS an option, a read option with an RPO, so three options.  Watch it again.
McSorley was reading the left end, so could run left, handoff to Sanders or throw to the Wr split left.   Dre’Mont jones got huge and quick penetration and basically took away both options to the left.  Chase stunted to the inside and made the play, but Dre’Mont caused it.
Look at the play— if Jones doesn’t do this, McSorley is gone since fuller committed to come and take away the WR option.
It was a good call- giving McSorley THREE options.  Jones just blew it up. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 30, 2018, 06:30:33 PM
he immediately handed it to him no fakes,roll outs or misdirections again Franklin at the presser said bad call - a designed run.Herbie thought so to when Mcsorley rolled out and ad libbed as he did all night that was when he was most effective.I'm not a MMQ the call was direct and unimaginative - it was called.Not saying Mcsorley would have gotten away on a broken play but the shift was to the right side
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on September 30, 2018, 06:41:19 PM
he immediately handed it to him no fakes,roll outs or misdirections again Franklin at the presser said bad call - a designed run.Herbie thought so to when Mcsorley rolled out and ad libbed as he did all night that was when he was most effective.I'm not a MMQ the call was direct and unimaginative - it was called.Not saying Mcsorley would have gotten away on a broken play but the shift was to the right side
Did you not watch the replay I posted.  Do you not see why he was FORCED to hand off.  It is obvious, he wanted to keep and go left.  Watch the WR over there, clearly getting ready to receive a potential pass.  
Would you like to see that same play run earlier in the game with success?
Franklin didn’t just say it was a bad call, he said he has used that play before in similar situations and it worked, but in retro it was bad, because it didn’t work.
Just watch the play, watch where the o-line goes.   It was clearly not a dive off tackle or a draw.  It was a read/ RPO.  
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 30, 2018, 07:37:07 PM

Franklin didn’t just say it was a bad call, he said he has used that play before in similar situations and it worked, but in retro it was bad, because it didn’t work.

This is asinine.  
A good play call can fail.  A horrible one can go for a TD.  
Process > Result
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on September 30, 2018, 08:10:16 PM
My comment about the best looking stadiums under lights has nothing to do w white out or pompoms.   The lighting is terrific, the colors help.  The grass looks great. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on September 30, 2018, 09:13:53 PM
I always though Northwestern's field looked especially lush/green.  
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on September 30, 2018, 09:33:09 PM
Did you not watch the replay I posted.  Do you not see why he was FORCED to hand off.    
:d030:

It was a designed handoff,he wasn't forced because the lineman on the left side had to engage lineman long enough for Sanders to get going on the right,listen to Herbie,listen to Franklin,go to Black Shoes Diary or Audibles.Yes I saw the video Brutas posted.Sanders I believe had 43 yds,Franklin knew the defense would be focused on McSorley who had 175 yds rushing,he tried fooling them it didn't work  

This from Blue-White Illustrated:
"The quarterback is their guy, obviously," said head coach Urban Meyer. "He's a winner, he's competitor, and he's a great, great player, so the conversation was that somehow they were going to get him involved in that play. So [defensive coordinator Greg Schiano] came up to me and said, OK, let's burn a timeout. Let's see what they're in. Right before the snap we did and we could hear over the head sets that they were going to get a zone read and get the quarterback involved."
But they didn't. After Ohio State's timeout, Penn State called another one, exhausting two of their three timeouts and ultimately putting the outcome of the game on the weight of this one play. With only one timeout remaining, Ohio State only needed that fourth-down stop before it could run out the clock. That's just what it did – but not by stopping McSorley.
Rather, Penn State handed the ball off to running back Miles Sanders, who had been contained to fewer than 3 yards per carry on the evening. This time – the last time – Ohio State bottled him up for a loss of three yards.
By trying to outsmart the coaches across the line of scrimmage, Penn State went away from its captain – a decision that head coach James Franklin later regretted.
"Obviously we should've called something different there," Franklin said in the opening statement of his postgame press conference. "I'm pretty upset right now because I'm hurting for those guys in that locker room."
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MarqHusker on September 30, 2018, 10:06:34 PM
I always though Northwestern's field looked especially lush/green.  
This is true, but they have abysmal night game lighting.  Shadows and darkness, background is washed out.   The various sports leagues all have 'standard minimum' lighting requirements, I believe it was called Color Rendering Index, there may be a new/different metric these days, I know 'Lux Level' is also used.   NCAA and other leagues have a much lower minimum CRI standard than say the NFL or MLB.  In undergrad I was in Broadcast Journalism, and we got to work with the TV crews on games and it was some of the best experience I've had, minus watching Jack Arute have a meltdown about not having a rain jacket and basically scolding some PA to go get him one.
Anyways,  there are a lot of factors and considerations that go into lighting up a football field, based on where the lights are mounted, distance from field, height above field, etc. etc.   Each stadium has a sheet/checklist which the NCAA had which contained the best practices for lighting.   Let's just say there's less variance then their used to be, but some stadiums just look a lot more brilliant on TV for a night game than others.   Those cameramen and women, and the photographers could all tell you their favorite/worst stadiums to shoot in.   I think there's uniformity that still photographers hate the Superdome the most.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Mdot21 on September 30, 2018, 10:23:06 PM
Am I the only Michigan fan underwhelmed by Patterson? Seems very indecisive and unwilling to throw down field. Granted, the play calling is awful and the bubble screens have to stop, but he had plenty of chances to air it out and took a sack or a very short qb run.
When Patterson was out a few weeks back, I actually though Mccaffrey brought more energy and polish to the offense. Patterson has been a letdown from my seat.
we must be watching different games. Patterson seems like one of the only bright spots on that disgrace of an offense.
The McCaffrey hype is getting out of hand. The kid has done nothing. He had a few series vs ND where he attempted 6 passes and the farthest pass he completed was maybe 10-11 yards through the air. The two deep passes he threw were terrible. Just like most of the passes that I've seen the kid throw further than 10 yards. His arm is weak sauce.
Michigan loses last night without Patterson. Some of those throws he made in the 2nd half were unbelievable. Flat out great NFL QB throws. The strike down the field to Nico. Great throw. That back shoulder he threw to Eubanks. Amazing throw. Other throw he had Eubanks on- perfect. PERFECT throw he hit down the field to McKeon that hit McKeon right in the bread basket that that scrub dropped. Can't throw it better than that. Two throws he fit in tight windows to Gentry were amazing. Add in Patterson using his legs to pick up 1st downs- he won Michigan that game.
Problem with that offense isn't Patterson. That kid is basically making a terrible offense look mediocre. By himself. The OL has improved since game 1 but that's not saying much. They went from complete garbage to mediocre. The RB's are average at best. They continue to play McKeon- who sucks- over Eubanks- who is quite good. The play calling is terrible. There is no imagination or creativity in that offense. They don't use their big receivers in the red zone. Gentry is pushing 6'8". Collins is 6'4+. DPJ is 6'2+ with a 45" vertical. WHERE are the jump ball fades in the red zone to those guys? Nah instead Harbaugh's dumb ass wants to call passes like that in the red zone to Grant Perry or Eddie McDoom.
Offense is a whole lot of stupid football. That's on the staff. Not Patterson. He's basically doing the best he can with one hand tied behind his back.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: DevilFroggy on September 30, 2018, 11:15:04 PM
Bias aside I've always thought Sun Devil Stadium had solid night lighting, which they should have given at least 50% of ASU's home games in a typical season are at night start to finish.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 01, 2018, 12:04:22 AM
we must be watching different games. Patterson seems like one of the only bright spots on that disgrace of an offense.
The McCaffrey hype is getting out of hand. The kid has done nothing. He had a few series vs ND where he attempted 6 passes and the farthest pass he completed was maybe 10-11 yards through the air. The two deep passes he threw were terrible. Just like most of the passes that I've seen the kid throw further than 10 yards. His arm is weak sauce.
Michigan loses last night without Patterson. Some of those throws he made in the 2nd half were unbelievable. Flat out great NFL QB throws. The strike down the field to Nico. Great throw. That back shoulder he threw to Eubanks. Amazing throw. Other throw he had Eubanks on- perfect. PERFECT throw he hit down the field to McKeon that hit McKeon right in the bread basket that that scrub dropped. Can't throw it better than that. Two throws he fit in tight windows to Gentry were amazing. Add in Patterson using his legs to pick up 1st downs- he won Michigan that game.
Problem with that offense isn't Patterson. That kid is basically making a terrible offense look mediocre. By himself. The OL has improved since game 1 but that's not saying much. They went from complete garbage to mediocre. The RB's are average at best. They continue to play McKeon- who sucks- over Eubanks- who is quite good. The play calling is terrible. There is no imagination or creativity in that offense. They don't use their big receivers in the red zone. Gentry is pushing 6'8". Collins is 6'4+. DPJ is 6'2+ with a 45" vertical. WHERE are the jump ball fades in the red zone to those guys? Nah instead Harbaugh's dumb ass wants to call passes like that in the red zone to Grant Perry or Eddie McDoom.
Offense is a whole lot of stupid football. That's on the staff. Not Patterson. He's basically doing the best he can with one hand tied behind his back.
I'm all aboard the Patterson train, but I don't think McCaffery has to be crapped on to be there. They are both promising. The QB depth chart is *very* healthy right now.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Mdot21 on October 01, 2018, 12:26:43 AM
I'm all aboard the Patterson train, but I don't think McCaffery has to be crapped on to be there. They are both promising. The QB depth chart is *very* healthy right now.
not crapping on him, just calling it like I see it. His arm is noticeably weaker than Patterson's. He has to improve his arm strength. He doesn't need a rocket launcher, but he's got to have more than what he has now. And he can improve it the more he physically matures and works on his lower body. He's still only a RS Frosh. He's got plenty of time to get bigger and better. All I'm saying is, I'm not ready to jump on his hype train. No one should be. He hasn't shown anything yet.
Patterson is really good. Some of throws he makes are flat out amazing.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 01, 2018, 07:09:43 AM
:d030:

It was a designed handoff,he wasn't forced because the lineman on the left side had to engage lineman long enough for Sanders to get going on the right,listen to Herbie,listen to Franklin,go to Black Shoes Diary or Audibles.Yes I saw the video Brutas posted.Sanders I believe had 43 yds,Franklin knew the defense would be focused on McSorley who had 175 yds rushing,he tried fooling them it didn't work  

This from Blue-White Illustrated:
"The quarterback is their guy, obviously," said head coach Urban Meyer. "He's a winner, he's competitor, and he's a great, great player, so the conversation was that somehow they were going to get him involved in that play. So [defensive coordinator Greg Schiano] came up to me and said, OK, let's burn a timeout. Let's see what they're in. Right before the snap we did and we could hear over the head sets that they were going to get a zone read and get the quarterback involved."
But they didn't. After Ohio State's timeout, Penn State called another one, exhausting two of their three timeouts and ultimately putting the outcome of the game on the weight of this one play. With only one timeout remaining, Ohio State only needed that fourth-down stop before it could run out the clock. That's just what it did – but not by stopping McSorley.
Rather, Penn State handed the ball off to running back Miles Sanders, who had been contained to fewer than 3 yards per carry on the evening. This time – the last time – Ohio State bottled him up for a loss of three yards.
By trying to outsmart the coaches across the line of scrimmage, Penn State went away from its captain – a decision that head coach James Franklin later regretted.
"Obviously we should've called something different there," Franklin said in the opening statement of his postgame press conference. "I'm pretty upset right now because I'm hurting for those guys in that locker room."

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skull-sessions/2018/10/97133/ohio-state-football-terry-mclaurin-legendary-block-survive-quarterback-run-binjimen-victor-touchdown (https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skull-sessions/2018/10/97133/ohio-state-football-terry-mclaurin-legendary-block-survive-quarterback-run-binjimen-victor-touchdown)
Read the comments by Pete Thames from Yahoo Sports.
As I told you, a Zone Read.  If you don’t see the RPO part of it with the WR, #12, I can’t help you.  If you really think they would call a play that is a dive, with no other options, I can’t help you understand how these plays are designed.
Is a simple constraint play.  Trips left (to the boundary) move the RB and offensive line right( to the field) at the snap, read the left DE (defenses right DE) to keep or give, and once you do keep, read the safety for whether he covers Wr or plays QB run, and make him wrong every time.
Again, if you watch the play which I have posted, you will see the left side, the dT, Jones, immediately penetrates upfield, making the read of DE over, and forcing the handoff.

https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif (https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif)

Watch the PSU left tackle. He moves to his right and turns to seal of Dre’Mont, surely thinking he crashes down to his own left, but he doesn’t.  The play is designed to leave Johnathon Cooper unblocked.

PSU had run this play earlier, from a slightly different formation, for a huge gain by McSorley.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 01, 2018, 07:57:24 AM
Urban's wrong,Franklin's wrong,Schian's wrongHerstriet's wrong,3 PSU websites are wrong.Gotcha,again for your edification

"The quarterback is their guy, obviously," said head coach Urban Meyer. "He's a winner, he's competitor, and he's a great, great player, so the conversation was that somehow they were going to get him involved in that play. So [defensive coordinator Greg Schiano] came up to me and said, OK, let's burn a timeout. Let's see what they're in. Right before the snap we did and we could hear over the head sets that they were going to get a zone read and get the quarterback involved."
But they didn't.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 01, 2018, 08:18:18 AM
Urban's wrong,Franklin's wrong,Herstriet's wrong,3 PSU websites are wrong.Gotcha
What is your problem? Why are you even debating this? It is obvious you have no clue about this stuff.
Urban is quoted in the article as saying they knew it was some form of Zone read.   He agrees with what I am showing you on film.Franklin said they had run the play earlier with success, but still took the blame for calling it.  Herbie’s reaction was based on live speed, just like mine and everyone else’s.  You can’t see everything until you see film.
The film is OBVIOUS.
If you want to argue, for some unknown reason, and deny what is obvious on film, have at it.  I can’t argue with someone who clearly knows nothing about how modern plays are designed.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on October 01, 2018, 09:34:33 AM
I didn't like the call myself, mostly because it didn't work.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on October 01, 2018, 09:35:20 AM
Syracuse had a late 4th down with the lead and called a jump pass to the TE, which worked, and looked terrific, though they had a lineman downfield and it was called back.  Cost them the game probably.

I didn't like that call either.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on October 01, 2018, 10:12:57 AM
Urban's wrong,Franklin's wrong,Schian's wrongHerstriet's wrong,3 PSU websites are wrong.Gotcha,again for your edification

"The quarterback is their guy, obviously," said head coach Urban Meyer. "He's a winner, he's competitor, and he's a great, great player, so the conversation was that somehow they were going to get him involved in that play. So [defensive coordinator Greg Schiano] came up to me and said, OK, let's burn a timeout. Let's see what they're in. Right before the snap we did and we could hear over the head sets that they were going to get a zone read and get the quarterback involved."
But they didn't.
Urban didn't say the "But they didn't" part. A zone read is by nature getting the QB involved. 
That said, they ran stunts against it. McSorley is reading an end that's looping inside. He gets a hint confused, blockers get very confused. The tackle on the side he's watching is coming wide, and a lineman on the other side is unblocked and makes the play.
If it's a straight handoff, McSorley isn't looking at the edge or taking as long as he does with the handoff. Unless that's part of an elaborate fake. 
Now, that doesn't speak to the quality of the play. Looking at the parts, it tells you PSU has some confidence on a screen or zone read to get 5 yards when they need them. That feels aggressive to me, though I neither have the data nor the feel on PSU's effectiveness there. PSU thought it was effective enough and OSU thought PSU thought it was effective enough. I'd rather McSorley working out of a spread set and letting the chips fall where they may, but that's hindsight as much as anything. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on October 01, 2018, 10:23:37 AM
This is asinine.  
A good play call can fail.  A horrible one can go for a TD.  
Process > Result
Correct, but just because something is "surprising" on our level doesn't really mean good process. If Florida runs the wishbone on 3rd and 22, that's a surprise, but not a good call.
What makes a good call is something more subtle. Sometimes you run exactly what's expected, but you run it so effectively, it's good anyway. Sometimes you run something that works against an opponent's strengths, even if they know it'll happen. Sometimes you break tendencies, sometimes you build them. 
Urban said a zone read there wasn't a surprise to him. Perhaps PSU had reached for it in some big moments before. These coaches watch all the film, from better angles, with a better eye, in a more rhythmic fashion. Their sense of tendencies is just more advanced than our own.
(For some reason, this reminds me of a few offenses I watched back in the day that liked to go against standard tendencies. They liked to pass on 1st and 10, a run-heavy down, and pass on 2nd and 10, a pass down. And like anything else, it seemed smart when it worked and irked folks when it didn't. More than one way to skin a cat)
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on October 01, 2018, 10:27:37 AM
Eh, the "white outs" are getting kinda weird.
A bunch of dudes waving pom poms the entire time? I dunno.
"Male" cheerleaders don't even do that.
I'm conflicted about pom poms. I usually dislike them. They just don't seem to fit with football - seem soft and classically feminine. On the other hand, the visual effect can be incredible, and they only increment fan participation.
If this threatens one's manliness, there are probably some thunder sticks that can be provided 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on October 01, 2018, 11:36:23 AM
Interesting discussion about what constitutes a "good call".  

I'd opine one metric is when a play does NOT work but is viewed as a good call.

Announcers sometimes say a long incomplete pass is a "good call".  
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Mdot21 on October 01, 2018, 11:40:23 AM
Wisconsin @ Michigan will be a night game. Kick off at 7:30pm. Literally just announced on twitter by Michigan.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 01, 2018, 11:42:29 AM
If this threatens one's manliness, there are probably some thunder sticks that can be provided
It's PA. White TerribleTowels would be a tremendous improvement.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: SuperMario on October 01, 2018, 12:47:04 PM

Michigan loses last night without Patterson. Some of those throws he made in the 2nd half were unbelievable. Flat out great NFL QB throws. 
That's an absolutely absurd statement. What pass? His 7 yard pass to Nico? His 9 yard pass to Wangler? The 13 yarder to Gentry? 
Patterson has shown a fear or inability to throw down field. His best asset right now are his legs, keeping him out of trouble. So far, I've seen nothing special about the kid. With QB's, you either have "IT" or you don't. Coming from a Browns fan that has seen junk for two decades, I'm good at picking out average QBs. When a Baker Mayfield steps in front of you, you know what's special and what's not. Patterson is not special, nor is he the savior of Michigan football. Something that a lot of people will learn against PSU, MSU & Wisconsin shortly.
Many people will blame the play calling and I have been one of them, but Patterson actually had plenty of opportunities to throw down field on Saturday and he didn't pull the trigger on multiple occasions. McCaffrey may not have as strong of an arm, but he had an it factor. I'll take poise & decision making over arm strength. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 01, 2018, 01:49:21 PM
What is your problem? Why are you even debating this? It is obvious you have no clue about this stuff.
Urban is quoted in the article as saying they knew it was some form of Zone read.   He agrees with what I am showing you on film.Franklin said they had run the play earlier with success, but still took the blame for calling it.  Herbie’s reaction was based on live speed, just like mine and everyone else’s.  You can’t see everything until you see film.
The film is OBVIOUS.
If you want to argue, for some unknown reason, and deny what is obvious on film, have at it.  I can’t argue with someone who clearly knows nothing about how modern plays are designed.
It's clear from other debates that if someone disagrees they don't have a clue.Do you have a problem with what coaches or other websites state?You seem to think football is set piece procedure.Try misdirection we use to run a lot of that in HS 3 receiver(wr,te,wing back) sets on wide side run a quick pitch  or sweep short side,looking at like you do if that was stuffed immediately by a blitz you would say they were running/throwing wide side because it made sense instead of out guessing the opponent
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on October 01, 2018, 02:20:37 PM
It's clear from other debates that if someone disagrees they don't have a clue.Do you have a problem with what coaches or other websites state?You seem to think football is set piece procedure.Try misdirection we use to run a lot of that in HS 3 receiver(wr,te,wing back) sets on wide side run a quick pitch  or sweep short side,looking at like you do if that was stuffed immediately by a blitz you would say they were running/throwing wide side because it made sense instead of out guessing the opponent
It seems you're maybe arguing two separate points. HB is arguing the zone read vs. called handoff thing, all within the context of an RPO and not doing it all the politely. (FWIW, it was almost assuredly a zone read within an RPO)
You seem to be arguing if it was a good call or not (I think?), and referencing this batch of stories that all don't seem to say it was a designed handoff (maybe Herbie did). I'm super confused about the short side sweep/WR-TE-WB thing. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 01, 2018, 05:34:47 PM
Not one beat writer or fan or blogger has said - with the little bit of time I've that McSorley made a bad read.None of the PSU coaches,the reporters,writers.If McSorley made a bad read you'd think at least one writer,reporter,blogger in the fookin' state might have mentioned it.McSorley still would have had a great game even with a bad read at the end - yet crickets,IMO it was a designed run.And I don't need to hear what a dumbshit I am for having that opinion.Specially when I've not heard or read any proof to the contrary,Herbstreit did not retract his statement and Franklin doesn't want to talk about it - end of rant
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 01, 2018, 06:12:18 PM
It's clear from other debates that if someone disagrees they don't have a clue.Do you have a problem with what coaches or other websites state?You seem to think football is set piece procedure.Try misdirection we use to run a lot of that in HS 3 receiver(wr,te,wing back) sets on wide side run a quick pitch  or sweep short side,looking at like you do if that was stuffed immediately by a blitz you would say they were running/throwing wide side because it made sense instead of out guessing the opponent
That’s rich, coming from the person who is the most opinionated on this forum!
Look, watch the film, and if you still think that was a designed handoff, and not what the film obviously shows, then that’s fine.
What you and I think is not important, the film tells all.  
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: rook119 on October 01, 2018, 06:19:32 PM
In Tates defense they aren't running him.  I'm guessing he wants this, to throw. He never has designed runs.
Last time I saw them play I saw maybe 2-3 designed runs for him. Not sure why. Their OL is extremely bad but still. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 01, 2018, 07:37:06 PM
That’s rich, coming from the person who is the most opinionated on this forum!
Look, watch the film, and if you still think that was a designed handoff, and not what the film obviously shows, then that’s fine.
What you and I think is not important, the film tells all.  
Who took to the name calling?try listening to the Buckeye Round Table Roy Hall,Skip Mosic,Paul Keels,Jim lachey and Tim May said zone read look designed draw.Again why isn't Herbie apologizing,he certainly would if he had your incredible insight.Lot of deflection going on no writers or reporters suggesting McSorley made the wrong read,how come?Oh that's right probably going with what was called - that's rich
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on October 01, 2018, 07:42:38 PM
Not one beat writer or fan or blogger has said - with the little bit of time I've that McSorley made a bad read.None of the PSU coaches,the reporters,writers.If McSorley made a bad read you'd think at least one writer,reporter,blogger in the fookin' state might have mentioned it.McSorley still would have had a great game even with a bad read at the end - yet crickets,IMO it was a designed run.And I don't need to hear what a dumbshit I am for having that opinion.Specially when I've not heard or read any proof to the contrary,Herbstreit did not retract his statement and Franklin doesn't want to talk about it - end of rant
That's because he didn't make a bad read. 
OSU was playing tight on the screen, but left favorable numbers in the box. In theory, the six PSU O-linemen block six of the seven OSU defenders, PSU reads the seventh and wherever he isn't, the back or McSorley runs. Then OSU did that late shift and stunted, PSU's blockers got all sorts of confused. The guy McSorley was reading was cutting inside, he gave it with a guy about to hit him (a good read) and an unblocked guy on the backside ended things.
Here's a good breakdown: https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/9/30/17918990/osu-psu-reaction-analysis-2018
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 01, 2018, 08:07:31 PM
From Chris Lauderbach of 11 warriors

WITHOUT A TRACE




Trace McSorley is a damn ball player. He'll end his career with a 1-2 record against Ohio State but I offer respect to a dude that just kept coming.




McSorley only completed 16-of-32 throws but a handful of them were huge connections as he amassed 286 yards through the air with a pair of touchdowns.




Of course, McSorley did his best work with his feet, consistently punishing Ohio State for either failing to account for him in man coverage or simply roasting the spy on the way to 25 carries for 175 yards including jaunts of 19, 23 and 51 yards.




Subtract McSorley from the running game and Penn State went for just 31 yards on 19 carries.
The reality is that Ohio State caught a break when James Franklin and company took two timeouts before dialing up a draw play on 4th-and-5 to effectively end the game. I have no idea how you don't dance with who brought you in that scenario but Buckeye fans will take it. At the same time, I tip my cap to the kid.




Again it was a designed draw with a zone read look,Blue-White Illustrated said the same thing.So did the Buckeye Round table that ended 20 minutes ago.Show me where a beat writer or reporter couldn't or wouldn't suggest Trace faffed the play?No motion,no attempted roll out,that play broke right immediately,regardless of what happened on the left had Chase Young not hooked inside to the gap it might have worked,either way I agree with Herbstreit it was a designed run/draw
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 01, 2018, 08:11:53 PM
Get a room, fellas. O0
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 01, 2018, 08:17:48 PM
At the Heartbreak Hotel? Franklin got the last vacancy
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: SuperMario on October 01, 2018, 08:47:41 PM
There definitely going to be arguments on both sides of this. Anyone that says they know for sure is lying to themselves. It’s comical that anyone is taking the stance that their opinion is correct because you weren’t in the huddle, nor on the sideline. I thought it was a bad play call, but I don’t know jack squat.

When did we become a group or intolerant know it alls? Good god is arrogance abound lately.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 01, 2018, 09:18:11 PM
I guess I better take a look at the film and render a decision
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 01, 2018, 09:29:53 PM
I guess I better take a look at the film and render a decision
Please do. It’s all that matters.  But please don’t laugh out loud when you see it and think of it as a “ draw” play.     It couldn’t be further from a draw play.  
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 01, 2018, 09:31:58 PM
Knowing that will help us all sleep better FF
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 01, 2018, 09:33:48 PM
There definitely going to be arguments on both sides of this. Anyone that says they know for sure is lying to themselves. It’s comical that anyone is taking the stance that their opinion is correct because you weren’t in the huddle, nor on the sideline. I thought it was a bad play call, but I don’t know jack squat.

When did we become a group or intolerant know it alls? Good god is arrogance abound lately.
Ok Super.   Watch this a couple times, every single player.
Then tell me if this is a draw play, with a straight face lol.   It’s not about who is right, it’s about the film.  It tells you all you need to know.
https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif (https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif)
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: GopherRock on October 01, 2018, 09:34:43 PM
At the Heartbreak Hotel? Franklin got the last vacancy
I didn't know there was a Lonely St. in State College
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 01, 2018, 09:45:21 PM
Ok Super.   Watch this a couple times, every single player.
Then tell me if this is a draw play, with a straight face lol.   It’s not about who is right, it’s about the film.  It tells you all you need to know.
https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif (https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif)
that play is SO poorly blocked, it's hard to tell it's an offensive play
if McSorely was reading the play, it wasn't a poor read
If he wasn't reading the play and simply handing off, it was supposed to give the appearance of a read/option to decoy the defense
Obviously can't determine intent by the film.  Gotta take the player's and coach's word for the intent from the post game comments
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 01, 2018, 09:45:50 PM
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/9/30/17918990/osu-psu-reaction-analysis-2018 (https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/9/30/17918990/osu-psu-reaction-analysis-2018)

Now, read this expert analysis. It shows you, and tells you that this play was EXACTLY what I said it was.  A read option with an RPO, giving McSorley THREE options.  They even use those words, exactly.

I never said it was a good play.  But to describe as a draw or a straight run makes it sound like it was easy to stop.  

Sorry.....I am not going to let someone distort what is obvious on film.

By the way Badge, thank you for providing this link.  I didn’t know it was out there yet but I knew it would be.  
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 01, 2018, 09:50:35 PM


Now, read this expert analysis.
hah!

better off reading my analysis
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 01, 2018, 09:50:46 PM
It tells you all you need to know.
No it doesn't Trace could have swung immediately wide right.Herbstreit,Tim May(columbus Dispatch),the Buckeye Roundtable and Blue-White Illustrated - ya know guys who get payed to cover the game say hello.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 01, 2018, 09:51:26 PM
that play is SO poorly blocked, it's hard to tell it's an offensive play
if McSorely was reading the play, it wasn't a poor read
If he wasn't reading the play and simply handing off, it was supposed to give the appearance of a read/option to decoy the defense
Obviously can't determine intent by the film.  Gotta take the player's and coach's word for the intent from the post game comments
Yes, and the only thing they said about intent was they thought they saw something in OSU defensive alignment.  But you can attack that multiple ways.
If it was a straight run, even the worst coach would not try to attack it with a read option that had no option, because you would be taking a knife to a gunfight, by trying to block 7 guys with only 6.  Clearly, the option to keep was immediately the better option, but it was closed off by OSU instantly.  
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 01, 2018, 09:53:45 PM
Obviously can't determine intent by the film.  
Thank You FF you get a cookie
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 01, 2018, 09:54:52 PM
No it doesn't Trace could have swung immediately wide right.Herbstreit,Tim May(columbus Dispatch),the Buckeye Roundtable and Blue-White Illustrated - ya know guys who get payed to cover the game say hello.
Omg dude.where is there post game analysis?  Your grasping at straws.  Read the ONLY post game expert analysis posted above.   
When your wrong your wrong.  
You are right about one thing, and all the talking heads agree.  It was not a good play selection in that situation.  It called for a perfectly executed O-Line against a much better defensive line.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 01, 2018, 09:57:34 PM
Thank You FF you get a cookie
When you can show me expert analysis ( not just talking bobble heads) that agrees with your theory, I will think your on to something.
I just posted definitive film analysis that proves what I am saying.  Do you still dispute it?
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 01, 2018, 09:57:59 PM
attacking it with a read/option look causes the defense to account for the QB keep, the QB throwing in the flat or to one of the two WRs on the left.  It takes 4 or 5 defenders out of the straight run play

like I said, you can't tell the intent of the play, but it's possible the read/option was merely window dressing for a straight run up the gut
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: SuperMario on October 01, 2018, 10:01:26 PM
Ok Super.   Watch this a couple times, every single player.
Then tell me if this is a draw play, with a straight face lol.   It’s not about who is right, it’s about the film.  It tells you all you need to know.
https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif (https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif)
No, it’s about what the egos here have turned into. People on this board used to talk football and approach each other with respect ,even when their perception of reality was on different sides of the aisle. Now, the second someone disagrees, it turns into name calling and mocking. It’s honestly sad. It’s a reflection of what social media has done to society.
I have no idea what the play was supposed to be. I do know Ohio State blows it up, which tells me it was a bad play call and a well executed play and defensive call. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 01, 2018, 10:10:35 PM
When you can show me expert analysis ( not just talking bobble heads) that agrees with your theory, I will think your on to something.
I just posted definitive film analysis that proves what I am saying.  Do you still dispute it?
You obviously chose not to read my earlier posts from experts not named Honest Buckeye
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 01, 2018, 10:18:20 PM
You obviously chose not to read my earlier posts from experts not named Honest Buckeye
I have read everything you have posted.  No analysis with film.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 01, 2018, 10:20:06 PM
No, it’s about what the egos here have turned into. People on this board used to talk football and approach each other with respect ,even when their perception of reality was on different sides of the aisle. Now, the second someone disagrees, it turns into name calling and mocking. It’s honestly sad. It’s a reflection of what social media has done to society.
I have no idea what the play was supposed to be. I do know Ohio State blows it up, which tells me it was a bad play call and a well executed play and defensive call.
Well your partially correct, about the society part. When presented with facts, and film to back it up, people will just create their own narrative.  Ego has nothing to do with the person presenting facts and evidence.   
But thanks for your lesson master.  
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 01, 2018, 10:23:50 PM
that play is SO poorly blocked, it's hard to tell it's an offensive play

This is the thing.  The play call is irrelevant if it's blocked poorly.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 01, 2018, 10:26:41 PM
I love how everyone here can't even come to a consensus on the play call here, but so many just chalk it up to a bad play call.


Not all good play calls succeed.  It could be a perfectly-chosen play and still fail.  If you knew what the coaches knew and saw what they saw, those of you lambasting the call might've made the same exact call 100 out of 100 times.


Idk if it's ego or MMQBing or what, but it's silly.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 01, 2018, 10:27:36 PM
If this threatens one's manliness, there are probably some thunder sticks that can be provided
Entirely fair. I didn't like what I wrote about pom poms. I just feel that way. But thunder sticks suck, too. Maybe I'm just against mass produced props. Not all props, though. The individualized constumes are great. Those and clever signs do a lot for the game ... that I like.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on October 01, 2018, 10:29:19 PM
From Chris Lauderbach of 11 warriors

WITHOUT A TRACE






Trace McSorley is a damn ball player. He'll end his career with a 1-2 record against Ohio State but I offer respect to a dude that just kept coming.






McSorley only completed 16-of-32 throws but a handful of them were huge connections as he amassed 286 yards through the air with a pair of touchdowns.






Of course, McSorley did his best work with his feet, consistently punishing Ohio State for either failing to account for him in man coverage or simply roasting the spy on the way to 25 carries for 175 yards including jaunts of 19, 23 and 51 yards.






Subtract McSorley from the running game and Penn State went for just 31 yards on 19 carries.
The reality is that Ohio State caught a break when James Franklin and company took two timeouts before dialing up a draw play on 4th-and-5 to effectively end the game. I have no idea how you don't dance with who brought you in that scenario but Buckeye fans will take it. At the same time, I tip my cap to the kid.






Again it was a designed draw with a zone read look,Blue-White Illustrated said the same thing.So did the Buckeye Round table that ended 20 minutes ago.Show me where a beat writer or reporter couldn't or wouldn't suggest Trace faffed the play?No motion,no attempted roll out,that play broke right immediately,regardless of what happened on the left had Chase Young not hooked inside to the gap it might have worked,either way I agree with Herbstreit it was a designed run/draw


I'm going to be polite about this. Mr. Lauderbach does not know what a draw is. Running a draw is about what the offensive line is doing. They're blocking inside zone. If you block draw, at the very least, the offensive tackles fake a pass set. So this was not that. 

On the broadcast, Herbstreit said it was a zone read. Just went back and listened. If you could kindly link to those other things, I'll take a look as well. 

I don't know what "No motion,no attempted roll out,that play broke right immediately" means. A roll out would've been a different sort of play. Breaking right is because the zone blocking is going right. Looking from the sky cam, Young getting through kind of saves it. There was a big gap behind LG and center. One of the three outside defenders still could've come across and maybe got him before five yards. Still interesting. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 01, 2018, 10:29:24 PM
Wisconsin @ Michigan will be a night game. Kick off at 7:30pm. Literally just announced on twitter by Michigan.
Weird times ... because I think PSU is going to be that, too.
Not too long ago, Michigan didn't even have lights (had to rent them on trucks for 3:30-5PM start times).
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 01, 2018, 10:32:06 PM
That's an absolutely absurd statement. What pass? His 7 yard pass to Nico? His 9 yard pass to Wangler? The 13 yarder to Gentry?
Patterson has shown a fear or inability to throw down field. His best asset right now are his legs, keeping him out of trouble. So far, I've seen nothing special about the kid. With QB's, you either have "IT" or you don't. Coming from a Browns fan that has seen junk for two decades, I'm good at picking out average QBs. When a Baker Mayfield steps in front of you, you know what's special and what's not. Patterson is not special, nor is he the savior of Michigan football. Something that a lot of people will learn against PSU, MSU & Wisconsin shortly.
Many people will blame the play calling and I have been one of them, but Patterson actually had plenty of opportunities to throw down field on Saturday and he didn't pull the trigger on multiple occasions. McCaffrey may not have as strong of an arm, but he had an it factor. I'll take poise & decision making over arm strength.
Not that I want to get too into it, but I do like Patterson's game. 
NU was his worst outing this season but ultimately fine.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on October 01, 2018, 10:32:18 PM
that play is SO poorly blocked, it's hard to tell it's an offensive play
if McSorely was reading the play, it wasn't a poor read
If he wasn't reading the play and simply handing off, it was supposed to give the appearance of a read/option to decoy the defense
Obviously can't determine intent by the film.  Gotta take the player's and coach's word for the intent from the post game comments
Do we have that?
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on October 01, 2018, 10:39:13 PM
From Yahoo's Pete Thamel 

"Ohio State altered alignments from a three-down front to a four-down front. Penn State countered with another timeout. Ohio State stuck with the four-down, and on the head set Meyer said he heard: “They’re going to try and do a zone-read and get the quarterback the ball.”
Ohio State ran a technique they call “Tar” in which the two inside linemen, Jones and Jashon Cornell, run straight up the field and the ends, Young and Jonathon Cooper, loop around to follow in their wake. Cornell will be the unsung hero of the night, as he made enough of a push inside that it allowed Young a clear path to Sanders for the night’s clinching play. Young also had a sack earlier in that series to put Penn State four yards behind the chains, and he finished with two sacks, three tackles for loss and an earlier key fourth-down pass break-up. “It’s a coming-out party for him,” Meyer said, as Young is considered one of the three best pure talents on the Buckeyes’ roster."

Interestingly, there appears to be a much wider running lane than I thought when you see it from behind the QB. I'm more impressed by the play call actually, even if it feels highly risky. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 01, 2018, 10:46:09 PM
Do we have that?
don't know, I got here late, but there were comments about coaches comments upthread
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: SuperMario on October 01, 2018, 10:59:38 PM
Well your partially correct, about the society part. When presented with facts, and film to back it up, people will just create their own narrative.  Ego has nothing to do with the person presenting facts and evidence.  
But thanks for your lesson master.  
You win. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: SuperMario on October 01, 2018, 11:02:26 PM
This is the thing.  The play call is irrelevant if it's blocked poorly.
So very true. The play was destroyed. Couple things COULD contribute. Terrible formation and play call given the circumstances. Poorly executed play or blocking. Great play call by the defense. Great execution by the defense. A combination of a few of the above.
What can’t be argued in my opinion, is that OSU defense made a great play.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: SuperMario on October 01, 2018, 11:04:56 PM
Not that I want to get too into it, but I do like Patterson's game.
NU was his worst outing this season but ultimately fine.
I see a lot of holes in his game, but I’m not a qb expert so time will tell. I think a lot of UM fans will be disappointed by the end of 2018 and looking to point the fingers. Some of it will be the play calling, some of it the o-line, but I also think some of it is oatterson’s Inability to throw down field.
Again, I’ll happily be wrong. Just my September take.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 01, 2018, 11:10:03 PM
Sure they did, which has no bearing on whether the play-call was good or bad.  From all the absurd research you guys have been doing, it looks like PSU ran an UNCONVENTIONAL play (ie, not risky or bad, merely not the usual, which by definition, would be a bad play-call) against a defense which was keying on something else (McSorley keeping the ball) and OSU lucked into blowing up the play.

Doesn't mean the play-call was bad.
Doesn't mean OSU didn't earn the stop.


The only truths I can glean from all this:
PSU's OL failed on that play
the level of study on this thread for this one play is nuts


Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Mdot21 on October 02, 2018, 12:05:31 AM
That's an absolutely absurd statement. What pass? His 7 yard pass to Nico? His 9 yard pass to Wangler? The 13 yarder to Gentry?
Patterson has shown a fear or inability to throw down field. His best asset right now are his legs, keeping him out of trouble. So far, I've seen nothing special about the kid. With QB's, you either have "IT" or you don't. Coming from a Browns fan that has seen junk for two decades, I'm good at picking out average QBs. When a Baker Mayfield steps in front of you, you know what's special and what's not. Patterson is not special, nor is he the savior of Michigan football. Something that a lot of people will learn against PSU, MSU & Wisconsin shortly.
Many people will blame the play calling and I have been one of them, but Patterson actually had plenty of opportunities to throw down field on Saturday and he didn't pull the trigger on multiple occasions. McCaffrey may not have as strong of an arm, but he had an it factor. I'll take poise & decision making over arm strength.
Your statement is absolutely absurd actually.
Patterson came up clutch despite trash like McKeon dropping a perfectly thrown ball that hit him right in the numbers and the bum drops. That was a 20-30 yard beauty of a strike right on the numbers. And that waste of space McKeon dropped it. I have been saying since last year McKeon is garbage. But they continue to trot him out there and throw him the ball. It's assinine. Kid shouldn't be playing period. Shouldn't even be on scholarship. He sucks.

Why not talk about Karran Higdon having wide open run lanes only to get 5-6 yards. People need to get off Karran Higdon's you know what. The kid is average. That's it. Even a slightly above average back would've turned those 5 yard runs he gets into 30+. An elite one would've housed a few of them. They DO NOT have a legitimate running game. They have an offensive line that went from complete trash to mediocre. Improvement. Sure. But at the end of the day, it's still not remotely good enough. They have a stone age passing scheme. Wonder why they WR's can't get separation? The scheme sucks. And they have a dumb offensive football coach. And they were getting screwed over by the refs. Patterson got two big runs wiped out by highly questionable hold calls.
Go watch the game again. You are smoking something my friend. This team would be worse than the 8-5 squad last year without Patterson. The OL is even weaker than it was last year and the defense just isn't as good as it was last year. The safeties still suck- no improvement whatsoever from them in coverage and they both miss tackle after tackle and the young NFL level CB duo isn't playing at the same level they were last year. Long and Hill both look like they are going through the motions and might have one foot out the door waiting for the NFL draft to come. And let's not talk about the interior DL. Let's not mention all that BS hype on Mike Dwumfour was just that- hype. The interior DL sucks. This coaching staff sure likes to sunshine pump mediocre players up. All we heard all off-season is sunshine blowing about Marshall, Kemp, and Dwumfour. Not one of them is legit. Not one. Dwumfour just had his best game of the year but he was a ghost or a scapegoat the first 4 games.

Patterson absolutely is special. There's a reason why he was the unanimous #1 QB recruit in high school and the #3 player. There's a reason why he won the Elite 11 MVP. There's a reason why he won the Army Bowl MVP. The reason? His raw natural talent is off the charts. His ability to throw that football accurately DOWN THE FIELD is almost as elite as it gets. He throws the ball on the run nearly as accurately as he does in the pocket. That is not normal. And he's a way better runner, and way more athletic than people realize.

Your post is laughable. His 7 yard pass to Nico? Nah. How about the 36 yard pass he drilled on a dime right into Nico's chest. A ball that traveled over 40 yards in the air. His 13 yarder to Gentry? Nah how about the 23 yard BEAUTY he roped right in between two defenders that hit Gentry right in the numbers. A pass that traveled more than 30 yards in the air. His 9 yard pass to Wangler. Nah how about the one he threw all the way across the field to the sideline on a freaking dime that hit McKeon right in the hands on 2nd and 2 and the bum dropped it. A ball that was thrown LITERALLY PERFECTLY over 30+ yards in the air that some scrub dropped. Killed a drive right there. How about two 20+ yard passes to Eubanks that were absolutely perfect balls that were again 30+ yards in the air. GTFO out of here with this he can't throw downfield horseshit. His throws down the field are gorgeous. Patterson is completing nearly 69% of his passes. For 7 TD's and 2 INT's. Should be 8 and 1, but it's not his fault McKeon sucks.

McCaffrey threw 6 passes against ND. Literally not one of them traveled in the air over 12 yards. He's thrown 15 passes all year. He has shown absolutely nothing at all. He's shown an "it" factor. Lol. That is the absolutely laughable and absurd comment actually. McCaffrey has literally shown nothing.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Mdot21 on October 02, 2018, 12:13:06 AM
I see a lot of holes in his game, but I’m not a qb expert so time will tell. I think a lot of UM fans will be disappointed by the end of 2018 and looking to point the fingers. Some of it will be the play calling, some of it the o-line, but I also think some of it is oatterson’s Inability to throw down field.
Again, I’ll happily be wrong. Just my September take.
They will be disappointed because the defense isn't as good as it was last year or could be because of personnel. The interior DL is mediocre at best. Moving Gary inside and getting Solomon back could really help boost it up. The safeties suck. Benching Mettelus for Hawkins and maybe trying Casey Hughes or anyone instead of Kinnel might help. And that All-World CB duo isn't playing up to the level that it was last year.
The OL sucks. The RB's are average at best. And the offensive coaching staff with Pep and Harbaugh calling the plays might be one of the worst in the entire country. Michigan is missing Jedd Fisch in the worst way.
But yeah, blame the QB. Jesus. And Michigan fans wonder why everyone hates them.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: SuperMario on October 02, 2018, 12:23:14 AM
So the entire team sucks except for the qb recruit because he was the #1 recruit in the nation a few years ago. Got it.

And somehow Higdon sucks even though he’s the only Michigan player to find the end zone this week, which he happened to find twicle. Hopefully when Patterson is done walking on water, he can actually throw for a touchdown. The Messiah threw for zero touchdowns against The Irish and Northwestern. He had a staggering 120 yards passing against Nebraska. 

I’m confident Patterson will put up good numbers against poor defenses, but it’s going to be a hard landing after he faces Wisconsin, State and PSU in consecutive games. Like I said, I’ll happily eat crow.

To be clear, I’m not saying he can’t throw the ball. He throws a very nice ball. He doesn’t have the IT. He doesn’t have the moxie or the special factor in my eyes. I spend about 3  hours a week watching football, so I’m clearly not the expect, but just my take. He proves me wrong, we’re both happy campers.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 02, 2018, 08:09:29 AM
I have read everything you have posted.  No analysis with film.
So you splice your POV to the end of Game film and call it analysis.THAT's your evidence?Smashing detective work there Deputy Fife.My posts are content gathered from individuals who cover the game for a living.Unlike your belligerent foray into the matter.Thanks for your lesson Master
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Cincydawg on October 02, 2018, 08:21:15 AM
These are opinions.  It's OK to have differing opinions.  It happens.

Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 02, 2018, 08:44:33 AM
Your right CD 3 pages back someone interjected a note of discord for my having one different than theirs.Hope your's is a good day
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: TyphonInc on October 02, 2018, 09:11:42 AM
Penn State OC Ricky Rahne says he called a run play; "I felt like we had a good chance to run the ball and split it right up the hash."

I agree with HonestBuckeye and elevenwarriors expert video analysis, that this looks like an RPO that got blowed up.
But if the Head Coach, The Offensive Coordinator, and Senior Captain Quarterback all call it a run play, at some point we just need to say frack it, it was a run play and a bad call.


LINK: https://saturdaytradition.com/penn-state-football/penn-state-oc-ricky-rahne-claims-responsibility-for-4th-down-play-call/
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 02, 2018, 09:48:35 AM
Ed ZAchery

the play called my have been the option play, but the coach instructs the players that there will be NO option!  IT's a straight run with the look of an option to decoy the defense.

Sometimes good coaches do this to prevent a kid from making a huge mistake and taking the responsibility for the play call.  I think they should probably do this more often.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 02, 2018, 09:59:03 AM
Ya I was hanging on Herbie's/Fowlers coattails.Coordinators will give one look and do something different.As our esteemed correspondent Fearless had pointed out repeatedly.The hand off appeared to immediate to me to be an option
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 02, 2018, 10:00:29 AM
you could refer to me as an "expert"

but, it's an overused title
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 02, 2018, 10:02:42 AM
You get a Yuengling
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 02, 2018, 10:04:35 AM
all I ever wanted

still hard to find here
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: TyphonInc on October 02, 2018, 10:25:31 AM
Sanders said, “try to get the ball in my hands and get the first down. But they really came to play that play; didn’t get the job done.”

The running backed called it a running play.

LINK: https://www.centredaily.com/sports/college/penn-state-university/psu-football/article219191395.html
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: ELA on October 02, 2018, 11:09:48 AM
Week 5 Sim Tourney Bracketology

APPALACHIAN STATE
3OHIO STATE
NOON - espn2
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NORTH TEXAS
2GEORGIA
1:30 - ESPN
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11PENN STATE
6NOTRE DAME
3:00 - ABC
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BOISE STATE
4CLEMSON
4:30 - espn2
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BUFFALO
1ALABAMA
6:00 - ESPN
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9WEST VIRGINIA
8AUBURN
7:30 - ABC
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12CENTRAL FLORIDA
5LSU
9:00 - espn2
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10WASHINGTON
7OKLAHOMA
10:30 - ESPN
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 02, 2018, 02:57:22 PM
Ed ZAchery

the play called my have been the option play, but the coach instructs the players that there will be NO option!  IT's a straight run with the look of an option to decoy the defense.

Sometimes good coaches do this to prevent a kid from making a huge mistake and taking the responsibility for the play call.  I think they should probably do this more often.
that could be possible I guess...anything is possible.  We will never know- because that's your speculation. Never heard of it before- running a read option, which leaves people unblocked- and instructing team to just take first option.
it could also be that, like any coach of a premier program, they ran the play assuming the first option would be open, but when it wasn't, saw that neither was the second or third- which is what it looks like if you watch in super slow motion- what Mcsorley does.  again- we may never know the full intent.
but- there is no doubt that the play ran, and the formation, was a zone read with an RPO, even if it was just a decoy.  and that's all that was ever being debated-- it was never a off tackle dive or a draw.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: ELA on October 02, 2018, 03:08:09 PM
Ed ZAchery

the play called my have been the option play, but the coach instructs the players that there will be NO option!  IT's a straight run with the look of an option to decoy the defense.

Sometimes good coaches do this to prevent a kid from making a huge mistake and taking the responsibility for the play call.  I think they should probably do this more often.
I believe the hybrid zone read option Hoke first ran with Denard was always pre-determined.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: SuperMario on October 02, 2018, 03:35:14 PM
I believe the hybrid zone read option Hoke first ran with Denard was always pre-determined.
AH yes. The Denard career killer. I believe you are correct. I really wish we saw another year of Denard with RichRod. The defense was god awful, but watching that kid in that offense was a lot of fun. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on October 02, 2018, 04:35:00 PM
AH yes. The Denard career killer. I believe you are correct. I really wish we saw another year of Denard with RichRod. The defense was god awful, but watching that kid in that offense was a lot of fun.
Maybe it would have been better with another year, but I just never saw Denard develop.  From my perspective as an opposing fan, when I saw Denard as a freshman I thought "that kid is going to be REALLY tough to beat in a few years."  He simply never got there.  He was super exciting because on any given play he was much more likely than your average player to do something really good but he was also much more likely than your average player to do something really bad.  Most players, as they gain experience, learn to limit those really bad plays but my view of Denard was that he looked almost exactly the same by the time he left Ann Arbor as he had looked when he arrived.  He was still a super exciting player but it was still for both good (for his team) and bad (for his team) reasons.  
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 02, 2018, 04:35:58 PM
That was exactly the trade-off and kind of a rock/hard place thing for fans. Denard was magic. Forfeiting his potential (on purpose!) was criminal. And yet, this millennium ... perhaps no one has more positively altered the trajectory of Michigan than Greg Mattison
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 02, 2018, 04:38:34 PM
Medina: that's because his final years were with Hoke. Borges told him to stay in the pocket. Of course, he stopped developing. RR's last year, though, he was just magic. We never had the luxury of watching him continue on that track.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 02, 2018, 04:41:21 PM
that could be possible I guess...anything is possible.  We will never know- because that's your speculation. Never heard of it before- running a read option, which leaves people unblocked- and instructing team to just take first option.

but- there is no doubt that the play ran, and the formation, was a zone read with an RPO, even if it was just a decoy.  and that's all that was ever being debated-- it was never an off tackle dive or a draw.
first - you should listen to better "experts" like me
second - I will give you that
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 02, 2018, 05:16:48 PM
first - you should listen to better "experts" like me
I think Dr Tom and Scott Frost would like a word with you
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: utee94 on October 02, 2018, 05:23:30 PM
Fearless would coach the heck outta that team.  
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 02, 2018, 05:45:44 PM
The Huskers should hire Fearless. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 02, 2018, 05:51:32 PM
I'm available for a small fee

say, what Pelini and Riley made combined

that seems fair
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 02, 2018, 05:55:16 PM
Hope your accountant can get as creative as you do with the golf card
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on October 02, 2018, 05:56:47 PM
You know, I wonder exactly how some of us might do in that sort of scenario...

I.e. if I got the Purdue job, could I do better than Hazell? Just by, perhaps, trying to do my best to hire the right coordinators/assistants, handling it like Herm Edwards as the "GM" approach, and letting them do their thing?

I think at the very least I'd come in with the humility to listen to the people who worked for me, and really only getting involved as the veto in case I thought they were absolutely going the wrong direction. 

Obviously I wouldn't "elevate" the program... But could I have achieved >= results to Darrell Hazell? I'd have taken the job for half of what he made [and would have lobbied the AD to boost my coordinator/assistant salaries in turn]. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 02, 2018, 06:01:48 PM
You would have?if you get a big raise don't mention it around here
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on October 02, 2018, 06:28:14 PM
You would have?if you get a big raise don't mention it around here
I just did. And I didn't offer to give any of it to anyone. But it's not exactly "B1G football head coaching" money, and the cost of living in Orange County isn't quite the same as it is in West Lafayette lol...
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: OrangeAfroMan on October 02, 2018, 09:05:15 PM
I'm surprised by the seemingly near-consensus of "the play didn't work, so it was a bad play call" here.  


Consider the OL blocking, what in the hell play call would have worked??????  They called the play they called for a reason.  It didn't work.  This does not make it a poor play call.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: TyphonInc on October 02, 2018, 09:31:11 PM
I'm surprised by the seemingly near-consensus of "the play didn't work, so it was a bad play call" here.  


Consider the OL blocking, what in the hell play call would have worked??????  They called the play they called for a reason.  It didn't work.  This does not make it a poor play call.
They called a running play for their running back. The running back had not been able to run the ball against OSU all night. It was a bad call.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 02, 2018, 10:00:45 PM
I just did. And I didn't offer to give any of it to anyone. But it's not exactly "B1G football head coaching" money, and the cost of living in Orange County isn't quite the same as it is in West Lafayette lol...
C'mon now it's the thought that counts and actions speak louder than words,Cali inflation be damned
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 02, 2018, 10:07:59 PM
I'm surprised by the seemingly near-consensus of "the play didn't work, so it was a bad play call" here.  
I'm in the "near" camp and not in the "consensus" camp
I actually think it's a very good call vs the defensive call.  The D-line stunts outside, leaving LBs and safeties in the middle.  If the O-line isn't completely confused and absolutely whiffs on 3 of 5 blocks the play could spring for a big gain up the middle.
on the other hand, if your O-line is easily confused and prone to whiffing on anything more complex than a simple dive, then it's a bad call.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 02, 2018, 11:24:20 PM
https://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2018/10/2/17924794/that-final-play-of-penn-state-ohio-state-illustrated (https://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2018/10/2/17924794/that-final-play-of-penn-state-ohio-state-illustrated)



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Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Mdot21 on October 03, 2018, 12:30:43 AM
So the entire team sucks except for the qb recruit because he was the #1 recruit in the nation a few years ago. Got it.

And somehow Higdon sucks even though he’s the only Michigan player to find the end zone this week, which he happened to find twicle. Hopefully when Patterson is done walking on water, he can actually throw for a touchdown. The Messiah threw for zero touchdowns against The Irish and Northwestern. He had a staggering 120 yards passing against Nebraska.

I’m confident Patterson will put up good numbers against poor defenses, but it’s going to be a hard landing after he faces Wisconsin, State and PSU in consecutive games. Like I said, I’ll happily eat crow.

To be clear, I’m not saying he can’t throw the ball. He throws a very nice ball. He doesn’t have the IT. He doesn’t have the moxie or the special factor in my eyes. I spend about 3  hours a week watching football, so I’m clearly not the expect, but just my take. He proves me wrong, we’re both happy campers.
Never said the entire team sucks. Some starters and players who get starting like minutes (*cough* McKeon) sure do suck though.
Never said Higdon sucks either. Said Michigan fans need to stop pumping him up. He's nothing more than an average starting B1G RB. Solid player. That's it. Kind of kid that should be starting at Purdue or Minnesota. At Michigan? Nope. Not if Michigan wants to become an elite program. Not going to ever be an elite program with that RB. Yes, he scored twice. Both runs were set up by Patterson marching that team down the field. And both runs were very short runs near the NW goal-line. And both runs he had holes you could drive a semi-truck through. Both runs Ruiz and Onwenu destroyed the defensive tackle and Mason ethered the LB'er. Can't block it any better than those three guys did. I could've scored TD's on those plays. Higdon also lost yards or got one or none yards on a significant amount of his carries. He averaged just over 3.5 yards per carry. He had a few giant holes that he got very little out of, whereas the elite backs would've popped for big gains. Higdon also failed to get that 1st down that would've sealed the game. He just dove into a tackler a yard short of the 1st down. Was a really weird move on his part. Didn't try to put a move on, make him miss or didn't try to just run over him. Just dove into him and the tackler kinda shoved him to the ground.
Hard to throw touchdowns in the red zone when the play callers try and throw fades to Grant Perry. Who is 5'11 max. Where are the goal-line fades to their 6'7+ TE Zach Gentry, 6'4+ WR Nico Collins, or 6'2+ DPJ with an insane 45" vertical. Hard to throw TD passes when you are throwing the ball 22 times a game on average. He had 120 yards passing vs Nebraska because he threw the ball like 15 times. And they didn't call any deep shots. Where the hell is Ambry Thomas or DPJ on deep routes? They have two insanely fast deep threats that they don't even try to use.
Patterson is far from the problem. Jim Harbaugh's offenses flat out suck. The RB talent is mediocre. The starting offensive tackles suck. The play calling system sucks. There is zero urgency or tempo on offense. Zero creativity or innovation in the pass game. Harbaugh is to blame. Period. It's his offense. It's his mess of an offense I should say. He could fix it easily. Fire Pep Hamilton. Hire a legitimate offensive co-ordinator. Then let that co-ordinator run the offense and call the plays. Stay out. Problem solved. Jim won't do that though. He's too much of a control freak and head case and ego maniac. Unfortunately it will be his down fall and keep this program from moving to the next level.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on October 03, 2018, 11:35:45 AM
I'll cop to it. I was wrong. It was weirdly pure inside zone.

It's interesting, on the one hand, it produced a backside line that was pretty wide, but you'd have PSU's RB trying to beat two OSU backers who jumped outside to the spot. Didn't matter because they flubbed the frontside blocking.

In some ways, if you think about it, there's a nice lesson of play-calling. The call and the response were sort of classic chess moves. But sometimes you just have to say, give the ball to the good player and let him do things (A friend and I argued this over the Braxton Miller outside zone run in the 2013 Big Ten title game)

(Just as I write this, Ross Dellinger, esteemed scheme head/writer for SI, calls it a zone read RPO. I got nothing)
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 03, 2018, 03:37:46 PM
Admitting you are wrong is the 1st step in recovery :105: -I kid,I kid.Things got over analyzed - it's football - read & react.It cracks me up all the different names given to the variety of formations and schemes.Yogi Berra once said "you can't think and hit at the same time"IMO that applies to football also - so much of it is improvisational.And way too many times formation or intent are disguised or flat out spoofed to confuse the opposition.The immediate hand off from McSorley didn't look anywhere except to Sanders.Herbstreit recognized it - he gets his chops busted a lot but he's dialed in IMO.Was a great game to watch - that took a couple of years of my life that I can ill afford to lose at this time
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: bayareabadger on October 03, 2018, 05:19:15 PM
Admitting you are wrong is the 1st step in recovery :105: -I kid,I kid.Things got over analyzed - it's football - read & react.It cracks me up all the different names given to the variety of formations and schemes.Yogi Berra once said "you can't think and hit at the same time"IMO that applies to football also - so much of it is improvisational.And way too many times formation or intent are disguised or flat out spoofed to confuse the opposition.The immediate hand off from McSorley didn't look anywhere except to Sanders.Herbstreit recognized it - he gets his chops busted a lot but he's dialed in IMO.Was a great game to watch - that took a couple of years of my life that I can ill afford to lose at this time
he literally called it a zone read as it happened. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 03, 2018, 06:44:45 PM
before that he states he was shocked,why not put the ball in to the hands of Trace McSorley with option to throw or run.Indicating it was a bad call to go to Sanders.Either way it was a designed run.There was a lot of action/emotion and I never really listened past the tackle except that he said it was a bad call(to hand off)
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 04, 2018, 07:35:59 AM
before that he states he was shocked,why not put the ball in to the hands of Trace McSorley with option to throw or run.Indicating it was a bad call to go to Sanders.Either way it was a designed run.There was a lot of action/emotion and I never really listened past the tackle except that he said it was a bad call(to hand off)
Lol.   Still talking about this, despite it being completely settles by SB Nation and Sports illustrates.
The only way is was a designed run is IF they were told to run the read option with RPO , which is how they aligned and what they did, but to handoff regardless of the defensive movements.
I suppose that is possible, although we may never know.  But that would be incredibly stupid, basically reducing the chances of success by two thirds. I still would wager that no Div 1 coach would be that dumb, but rather they were confident option 1 ( the handoff) of the three options on the play would be open.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: TyphonInc on October 04, 2018, 08:07:40 AM
Lol.   Still talking about this, despite it being completely settles by SB Nation and Sports illustrates.
Really HB? I thought it was completely settled when the PSU Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, Quarterback, and Running Back all called it a running play.*
*See quotes and links up-thread 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 04, 2018, 08:31:47 AM
Really HB? I thought it was completely settled when the PSU Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, Quarterback, and Running Back all called it a running play.*
*See quotes and links up-thread
Yes , those words were said. But never was it said that the zone read/RPO formation, which is on film, and movements, which are on film and not disputable as proven  by the expert analysis I have now seen on three websites, were instructions to run and ignore both the keep and throw options.
What I take from those comments is they thought that first option, the run option, would specifically be wide open, specifically based on OSUs previous defensive alignment and movements against third down passing situations.
Now, is it possible that McSorley was told to handoff regardless?  Yes.  But nobody has actually said that.
My original point, that the play was not just a dive or draw, is proven beyond any doubt.  They ran the alignment and movements of a zone read with an RPO.  It may have been a decoy- we will never know.  I highly doubt even that though, as the comments combined with common sense tell me that they just assumed the run would be there big time. I don’t find it credible that the instructions given to McSorley would be to eliminate your other options on purpose.

I find interesting that comments, which are open to tons of interpretation, are being used as evidence to make a point, versus actual film proving the opposite.
Again, just watch the film, or listen to the experts breaking down the film.

Also, it was a running play.  That has never been in question.  That’s what a zone read is.  If the RPO is never triggered, or if that part was nothing more than a decoy, then is was “ intended” to only be a running play. 

But if someone says it was a “designed” running play, that is not accurate.  You could say it was intended to be a running play, from a play designed to give the qb 3 options.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MaximumSam on October 04, 2018, 09:12:18 AM
The great run/pass debate of 2018!

My contribution:

I thought it was weird calling it an RPO, because that is the relatively new trend of reading a safety or linebacker and whether they play run or pass and then doing the opposite, but that is usually on a slant route in the middle of the field.  Reading a linebacker or safety on whether they cover the screen has been around forever, but no one really called them RPO's, despite the fact that yes, they are run/pass options.

In any event, everyone can be right.  The reason they set up the screen is to move a Buckeye defender out of the middle of the field to make it easier to run.  Had no one moved over there they probably would have passed it, but that's like saying if if no one covers a receiver throw it to them.  It rarely occurs that a defense completely forgets to cover a receiver (counterpoint see Florida/Kentucky 2017). 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 04, 2018, 09:21:52 AM
there you go

EVERYBODY can be right
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 04, 2018, 09:51:00 AM
No participation trophies - the coaches/players involved said it was a designed run,good enough for me
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 04, 2018, 09:57:05 AM
I think Nubbz and HB should duke it out. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 04, 2018, 10:08:55 AM
You get a noogy biff BB
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 04, 2018, 10:35:04 AM
I think Nubbz and HB should duke it out.
there you go
EVERYBODY can FIGHT
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 04, 2018, 11:04:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCcELFHOzOk&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 04, 2018, 11:19:22 AM
nobody likes Franklin
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Honestbuckeye on October 04, 2018, 11:34:04 AM
I think Nubbz and HB should duke it out.
Ha Ha.  Ok- lets do rock, paper scissors!  I will go first Nubzz.
SCICCORS!   Ok your move LOL.
seriously- I hope it just leads to more conversations about the chess game coaches play on play calling, shifts and alignments- that is fun to discuss and lots of people here seem to enjoy those topics.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on October 04, 2018, 12:15:44 PM
Next topic...

White & gold, or blue & black? 

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/The_Dress_%28viral_phenomenon%29.png)
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 04, 2018, 12:20:16 PM
White & gold

but, I'm color blind
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 04, 2018, 02:59:04 PM
Next topic...

White & gold, or blue & black?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/The_Dress_%28viral_phenomenon%29.png)
I'm guessing that's a chic in a dress & suit top.I just got done with 6 hrs of sanding/scraping/scrubbing/taping off/Painting so kinda cross eyed right now with debris and paint in my eye sockets
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 04, 2018, 03:08:47 PM
White & gold

but, I'm color blind
Cindy has Dyslexia - ya know like a stop sign reads pots to them,but she passed pyschics in school.Wonder what life would be like for someone color blind & dyslexia.They'd prolly turn out to be geniuses that I'd be working for
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on October 04, 2018, 03:27:28 PM
Are those supposed to be the only two options? I'm gettin' gold and a light shade of Columbia blue. 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on October 04, 2018, 04:08:17 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dress

It's actually black and blue. 

I just figured y'all needed something new to argue about.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 04, 2018, 04:15:15 PM
hey we'll be the judge of that the meat of the schedule is coming up
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: Anonymous Coward on October 04, 2018, 04:40:49 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Wikipe-tan_wearing_The_Dress_reduced.svg)
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 04, 2018, 04:42:56 PM
Are those supposed to be the only two options? I'm gettin' gold and a light shade of Columbia blue.
Dern It!  play along nicely!
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 04, 2018, 04:43:55 PM
Cindy has Dyslexia - ya know like a stop sign reads pots to them,but she passed pyschics in school.Wonder what life would be like for someone color blind & dyslexia.They'd prolly turn out to be geniuses that I'd be working for
I'm color blind and dyslexic
doesn't seem to bother my golf game or my drinking
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 04, 2018, 04:51:20 PM
Both?no fooking way,seriously,swear to Bob Devaney?
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: TyphonInc on October 04, 2018, 08:13:59 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Wikipe-tan_wearing_The_Dress_reduced.svg)
OH! SHUT THE DOOR!
When I first saw the dress post, I couldn't figure out how people could say anything other than white and gold.
Then I stared at this picture, for like 30 seconds, now I can't see anything but a black and blue dress.
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: MrNubbz on October 05, 2018, 08:44:15 AM
So secretly we have a bunch of colored blind,dyslexic cross dressers in this thread.Gonna have to have a talk with Drew 
Title: Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
Post by: FearlessF on October 05, 2018, 11:37:28 AM
and some of them are lawyers!