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Topic: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #140 on: September 30, 2018, 06:10:08 PM »
Didn't appear to be an option he handed him the rock pretty quick.Franklin later at the presser said it was a bad call.Just the way the play set up - congestion instead of McSorley rolling out and freelancing.Great game shame someone had to lose.Hope every weekend has at least one competitive nail biter.hats off to McSorley & PSU
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It WAS an option, a read option with an RPO, so three options.  Watch it again.
McSorley was reading the left end, so could run left, handoff to Sanders or throw to the Wr split left.   Dre’Mont jones got huge and quick penetration and basically took away both options to the left.  Chase stunted to the inside and made the play, but Dre’Mont caused it.
Look at the play— if Jones doesn’t do this, McSorley is gone since fuller committed to come and take away the WR option.
It was a good call- giving McSorley THREE options.  Jones just blew it up. 
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #141 on: September 30, 2018, 06:30:33 PM »
he immediately handed it to him no fakes,roll outs or misdirections again Franklin at the presser said bad call - a designed run.Herbie thought so to when Mcsorley rolled out and ad libbed as he did all night that was when he was most effective.I'm not a MMQ the call was direct and unimaginative - it was called.Not saying Mcsorley would have gotten away on a broken play but the shift was to the right side
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #142 on: September 30, 2018, 06:41:19 PM »
he immediately handed it to him no fakes,roll outs or misdirections again Franklin at the presser said bad call - a designed run.Herbie thought so to when Mcsorley rolled out and ad libbed as he did all night that was when he was most effective.I'm not a MMQ the call was direct and unimaginative - it was called.Not saying Mcsorley would have gotten away on a broken play but the shift was to the right side
Did you not watch the replay I posted.  Do you not see why he was FORCED to hand off.  It is obvious, he wanted to keep and go left.  Watch the WR over there, clearly getting ready to receive a potential pass.  
Would you like to see that same play run earlier in the game with success?
Franklin didn’t just say it was a bad call, he said he has used that play before in similar situations and it worked, but in retro it was bad, because it didn’t work.
Just watch the play, watch where the o-line goes.   It was clearly not a dive off tackle or a draw.  It was a read/ RPO.  
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #143 on: September 30, 2018, 07:37:07 PM »

Franklin didn’t just say it was a bad call, he said he has used that play before in similar situations and it worked, but in retro it was bad, because it didn’t work.

This is asinine.  
A good play call can fail.  A horrible one can go for a TD.  
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #144 on: September 30, 2018, 08:10:16 PM »
My comment about the best looking stadiums under lights has nothing to do w white out or pompoms.   The lighting is terrific, the colors help.  The grass looks great. 

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« Reply #145 on: September 30, 2018, 09:13:53 PM »
I always though Northwestern's field looked especially lush/green.  
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #146 on: September 30, 2018, 09:33:09 PM »
Did you not watch the replay I posted.  Do you not see why he was FORCED to hand off.    
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It was a designed handoff,he wasn't forced because the lineman on the left side had to engage lineman long enough for Sanders to get going on the right,listen to Herbie,listen to Franklin,go to Black Shoes Diary or Audibles.Yes I saw the video Brutas posted.Sanders I believe had 43 yds,Franklin knew the defense would be focused on McSorley who had 175 yds rushing,he tried fooling them it didn't work  

This from Blue-White Illustrated:
"The quarterback is their guy, obviously," said head coach Urban Meyer. "He's a winner, he's competitor, and he's a great, great player, so the conversation was that somehow they were going to get him involved in that play. So [defensive coordinator Greg Schiano] came up to me and said, OK, let's burn a timeout. Let's see what they're in. Right before the snap we did and we could hear over the head sets that they were going to get a zone read and get the quarterback involved."
But they didn't. After Ohio State's timeout, Penn State called another one, exhausting two of their three timeouts and ultimately putting the outcome of the game on the weight of this one play. With only one timeout remaining, Ohio State only needed that fourth-down stop before it could run out the clock. That's just what it did – but not by stopping McSorley.
Rather, Penn State handed the ball off to running back Miles Sanders, who had been contained to fewer than 3 yards per carry on the evening. This time – the last time – Ohio State bottled him up for a loss of three yards.
By trying to outsmart the coaches across the line of scrimmage, Penn State went away from its captain – a decision that head coach James Franklin later regretted.
"Obviously we should've called something different there," Franklin said in the opening statement of his postgame press conference. "I'm pretty upset right now because I'm hurting for those guys in that locker room."
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #147 on: September 30, 2018, 10:06:34 PM »
I always though Northwestern's field looked especially lush/green.  
This is true, but they have abysmal night game lighting.  Shadows and darkness, background is washed out.   The various sports leagues all have 'standard minimum' lighting requirements, I believe it was called Color Rendering Index, there may be a new/different metric these days, I know 'Lux Level' is also used.   NCAA and other leagues have a much lower minimum CRI standard than say the NFL or MLB.  In undergrad I was in Broadcast Journalism, and we got to work with the TV crews on games and it was some of the best experience I've had, minus watching Jack Arute have a meltdown about not having a rain jacket and basically scolding some PA to go get him one.
Anyways,  there are a lot of factors and considerations that go into lighting up a football field, based on where the lights are mounted, distance from field, height above field, etc. etc.   Each stadium has a sheet/checklist which the NCAA had which contained the best practices for lighting.   Let's just say there's less variance then their used to be, but some stadiums just look a lot more brilliant on TV for a night game than others.   Those cameramen and women, and the photographers could all tell you their favorite/worst stadiums to shoot in.   I think there's uniformity that still photographers hate the Superdome the most.

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« Reply #148 on: September 30, 2018, 10:23:06 PM »
Am I the only Michigan fan underwhelmed by Patterson? Seems very indecisive and unwilling to throw down field. Granted, the play calling is awful and the bubble screens have to stop, but he had plenty of chances to air it out and took a sack or a very short qb run.
When Patterson was out a few weeks back, I actually though Mccaffrey brought more energy and polish to the offense. Patterson has been a letdown from my seat.
we must be watching different games. Patterson seems like one of the only bright spots on that disgrace of an offense.
The McCaffrey hype is getting out of hand. The kid has done nothing. He had a few series vs ND where he attempted 6 passes and the farthest pass he completed was maybe 10-11 yards through the air. The two deep passes he threw were terrible. Just like most of the passes that I've seen the kid throw further than 10 yards. His arm is weak sauce.
Michigan loses last night without Patterson. Some of those throws he made in the 2nd half were unbelievable. Flat out great NFL QB throws. The strike down the field to Nico. Great throw. That back shoulder he threw to Eubanks. Amazing throw. Other throw he had Eubanks on- perfect. PERFECT throw he hit down the field to McKeon that hit McKeon right in the bread basket that that scrub dropped. Can't throw it better than that. Two throws he fit in tight windows to Gentry were amazing. Add in Patterson using his legs to pick up 1st downs- he won Michigan that game.
Problem with that offense isn't Patterson. That kid is basically making a terrible offense look mediocre. By himself. The OL has improved since game 1 but that's not saying much. They went from complete garbage to mediocre. The RB's are average at best. They continue to play McKeon- who sucks- over Eubanks- who is quite good. The play calling is terrible. There is no imagination or creativity in that offense. They don't use their big receivers in the red zone. Gentry is pushing 6'8". Collins is 6'4+. DPJ is 6'2+ with a 45" vertical. WHERE are the jump ball fades in the red zone to those guys? Nah instead Harbaugh's dumb ass wants to call passes like that in the red zone to Grant Perry or Eddie McDoom.
Offense is a whole lot of stupid football. That's on the staff. Not Patterson. He's basically doing the best he can with one hand tied behind his back.

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #149 on: September 30, 2018, 11:15:04 PM »
Bias aside I've always thought Sun Devil Stadium had solid night lighting, which they should have given at least 50% of ASU's home games in a typical season are at night start to finish.
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #150 on: October 01, 2018, 12:04:22 AM »
we must be watching different games. Patterson seems like one of the only bright spots on that disgrace of an offense.
The McCaffrey hype is getting out of hand. The kid has done nothing. He had a few series vs ND where he attempted 6 passes and the farthest pass he completed was maybe 10-11 yards through the air. The two deep passes he threw were terrible. Just like most of the passes that I've seen the kid throw further than 10 yards. His arm is weak sauce.
Michigan loses last night without Patterson. Some of those throws he made in the 2nd half were unbelievable. Flat out great NFL QB throws. The strike down the field to Nico. Great throw. That back shoulder he threw to Eubanks. Amazing throw. Other throw he had Eubanks on- perfect. PERFECT throw he hit down the field to McKeon that hit McKeon right in the bread basket that that scrub dropped. Can't throw it better than that. Two throws he fit in tight windows to Gentry were amazing. Add in Patterson using his legs to pick up 1st downs- he won Michigan that game.
Problem with that offense isn't Patterson. That kid is basically making a terrible offense look mediocre. By himself. The OL has improved since game 1 but that's not saying much. They went from complete garbage to mediocre. The RB's are average at best. They continue to play McKeon- who sucks- over Eubanks- who is quite good. The play calling is terrible. There is no imagination or creativity in that offense. They don't use their big receivers in the red zone. Gentry is pushing 6'8". Collins is 6'4+. DPJ is 6'2+ with a 45" vertical. WHERE are the jump ball fades in the red zone to those guys? Nah instead Harbaugh's dumb ass wants to call passes like that in the red zone to Grant Perry or Eddie McDoom.
Offense is a whole lot of stupid football. That's on the staff. Not Patterson. He's basically doing the best he can with one hand tied behind his back.
I'm all aboard the Patterson train, but I don't think McCaffery has to be crapped on to be there. They are both promising. The QB depth chart is *very* healthy right now.

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #151 on: October 01, 2018, 12:26:43 AM »
I'm all aboard the Patterson train, but I don't think McCaffery has to be crapped on to be there. They are both promising. The QB depth chart is *very* healthy right now.
not crapping on him, just calling it like I see it. His arm is noticeably weaker than Patterson's. He has to improve his arm strength. He doesn't need a rocket launcher, but he's got to have more than what he has now. And he can improve it the more he physically matures and works on his lower body. He's still only a RS Frosh. He's got plenty of time to get bigger and better. All I'm saying is, I'm not ready to jump on his hype train. No one should be. He hasn't shown anything yet.
Patterson is really good. Some of throws he makes are flat out amazing.

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #152 on: October 01, 2018, 07:09:43 AM »
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It was a designed handoff,he wasn't forced because the lineman on the left side had to engage lineman long enough for Sanders to get going on the right,listen to Herbie,listen to Franklin,go to Black Shoes Diary or Audibles.Yes I saw the video Brutas posted.Sanders I believe had 43 yds,Franklin knew the defense would be focused on McSorley who had 175 yds rushing,he tried fooling them it didn't work  

This from Blue-White Illustrated:
"The quarterback is their guy, obviously," said head coach Urban Meyer. "He's a winner, he's competitor, and he's a great, great player, so the conversation was that somehow they were going to get him involved in that play. So [defensive coordinator Greg Schiano] came up to me and said, OK, let's burn a timeout. Let's see what they're in. Right before the snap we did and we could hear over the head sets that they were going to get a zone read and get the quarterback involved."
But they didn't. After Ohio State's timeout, Penn State called another one, exhausting two of their three timeouts and ultimately putting the outcome of the game on the weight of this one play. With only one timeout remaining, Ohio State only needed that fourth-down stop before it could run out the clock. That's just what it did – but not by stopping McSorley.
Rather, Penn State handed the ball off to running back Miles Sanders, who had been contained to fewer than 3 yards per carry on the evening. This time – the last time – Ohio State bottled him up for a loss of three yards.
By trying to outsmart the coaches across the line of scrimmage, Penn State went away from its captain – a decision that head coach James Franklin later regretted.
"Obviously we should've called something different there," Franklin said in the opening statement of his postgame press conference. "I'm pretty upset right now because I'm hurting for those guys in that locker room."

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skull-sessions/2018/10/97133/ohio-state-football-terry-mclaurin-legendary-block-survive-quarterback-run-binjimen-victor-touchdown
Read the comments by Pete Thames from Yahoo Sports.
As I told you, a Zone Read.  If you don’t see the RPO part of it with the WR, #12, I can’t help you.  If you really think they would call a play that is a dive, with no other options, I can’t help you understand how these plays are designed.
Is a simple constraint play.  Trips left (to the boundary) move the RB and offensive line right( to the field) at the snap, read the left DE (defenses right DE) to keep or give, and once you do keep, read the safety for whether he covers Wr or plays QB run, and make him wrong every time.
Again, if you watch the play which I have posted, you will see the left side, the dT, Jones, immediately penetrates upfield, making the read of DE over, and forcing the handoff.

https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif

Watch the PSU left tackle. He moves to his right and turns to seal of Dre’Mont, surely thinking he crashes down to his own left, but he doesn’t.  The play is designed to leave Johnathon Cooper unblocked.

PSU had run this play earlier, from a slightly different formation, for a huge gain by McSorley.
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #153 on: October 01, 2018, 07:57:24 AM »
Urban's wrong,Franklin's wrong,Schian's wrongHerstriet's wrong,3 PSU websites are wrong.Gotcha,again for your edification

"The quarterback is their guy, obviously," said head coach Urban Meyer. "He's a winner, he's competitor, and he's a great, great player, so the conversation was that somehow they were going to get him involved in that play. So [defensive coordinator Greg Schiano] came up to me and said, OK, let's burn a timeout. Let's see what they're in. Right before the snap we did and we could hear over the head sets that they were going to get a zone read and get the quarterback involved."
But they didn't.
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