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Topic: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC

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rook119

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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #168 on: October 01, 2018, 06:19:32 PM »
Quote from: MarqHusker on September 30, 2018, 01:52:49 AM
In Tates defense they aren't running him.  I'm guessing he wants this, to throw. He never has designed runs.
Last time I saw them play I saw maybe 2-3 designed runs for him. Not sure why. Their OL is extremely bad but still. 
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #169 on: October 01, 2018, 07:37:06 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 01, 2018, 06:12:18 PM
That’s rich, coming from the person who is the most opinionated on this forum!
Look, watch the film, and if you still think that was a designed handoff, and not what the film obviously shows, then that’s fine.
What you and I think is not important, the film tells all.  
Who took to the name calling?try listening to the Buckeye Round Table Roy Hall,Skip Mosic,Paul Keels,Jim lachey and Tim May said zone read look designed draw.Again why isn't Herbie apologizing,he certainly would if he had your incredible insight.Lot of deflection going on no writers or reporters suggesting McSorley made the wrong read,how come?Oh that's right probably going with what was called - that's rich
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #170 on: October 01, 2018, 07:42:38 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 01, 2018, 05:34:47 PM
Not one beat writer or fan or blogger has said - with the little bit of time I've that McSorley made a bad read.None of the PSU coaches,the reporters,writers.If McSorley made a bad read you'd think at least one writer,reporter,blogger in the fookin' state might have mentioned it.McSorley still would have had a great game even with a bad read at the end - yet crickets,IMO it was a designed run.And I don't need to hear what a dumbshit I am for having that opinion.Specially when I've not heard or read any proof to the contrary,Herbstreit did not retract his statement and Franklin doesn't want to talk about it - end of rant
That's because he didn't make a bad read. 
OSU was playing tight on the screen, but left favorable numbers in the box. In theory, the six PSU O-linemen block six of the seven OSU defenders, PSU reads the seventh and wherever he isn't, the back or McSorley runs. Then OSU did that late shift and stunted, PSU's blockers got all sorts of confused. The guy McSorley was reading was cutting inside, he gave it with a guy about to hit him (a good read) and an unblocked guy on the backside ended things.
Here's a good breakdown: https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/9/30/17918990/osu-psu-reaction-analysis-2018
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #171 on: October 01, 2018, 08:07:31 PM »
From Chris Lauderbach of 11 warriors

WITHOUT A TRACE




Trace McSorley is a damn ball player. He'll end his career with a 1-2 record against Ohio State but I offer respect to a dude that just kept coming.




McSorley only completed 16-of-32 throws but a handful of them were huge connections as he amassed 286 yards through the air with a pair of touchdowns.




Of course, McSorley did his best work with his feet, consistently punishing Ohio State for either failing to account for him in man coverage or simply roasting the spy on the way to 25 carries for 175 yards including jaunts of 19, 23 and 51 yards.




Subtract McSorley from the running game and Penn State went for just 31 yards on 19 carries.
The reality is that Ohio State caught a break when James Franklin and company took two timeouts before dialing up a draw play on 4th-and-5 to effectively end the game. I have no idea how you don't dance with who brought you in that scenario but Buckeye fans will take it. At the same time, I tip my cap to the kid.




Again it was a designed draw with a zone read look,Blue-White Illustrated said the same thing.So did the Buckeye Round table that ended 20 minutes ago.Show me where a beat writer or reporter couldn't or wouldn't suggest Trace faffed the play?No motion,no attempted roll out,that play broke right immediately,regardless of what happened on the left had Chase Young not hooked inside to the gap it might have worked,either way I agree with Herbstreit it was a designed run/draw
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #172 on: October 01, 2018, 08:11:53 PM »
Get a room, fellas. O0
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #173 on: October 01, 2018, 08:17:48 PM »
At the Heartbreak Hotel? Franklin got the last vacancy
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #174 on: October 01, 2018, 08:47:41 PM »
There definitely going to be arguments on both sides of this. Anyone that says they know for sure is lying to themselves. It’s comical that anyone is taking the stance that their opinion is correct because you weren’t in the huddle, nor on the sideline. I thought it was a bad play call, but I don’t know jack squat.

When did we become a group or intolerant know it alls? Good god is arrogance abound lately.
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #175 on: October 01, 2018, 09:18:11 PM »
I guess I better take a look at the film and render a decision
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #176 on: October 01, 2018, 09:29:53 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on October 01, 2018, 09:18:11 PM
I guess I better take a look at the film and render a decision
Please do. It’s all that matters.  But please don’t laugh out loud when you see it and think of it as a “ draw” play.     It couldn’t be further from a draw play.  
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #177 on: October 01, 2018, 09:31:58 PM »
Knowing that will help us all sleep better FF
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #178 on: October 01, 2018, 09:33:48 PM »
Quote from: SuperMario on October 01, 2018, 08:47:41 PM
There definitely going to be arguments on both sides of this. Anyone that says they know for sure is lying to themselves. It’s comical that anyone is taking the stance that their opinion is correct because you weren’t in the huddle, nor on the sideline. I thought it was a bad play call, but I don’t know jack squat.

When did we become a group or intolerant know it alls? Good god is arrogance abound lately.
Ok Super.   Watch this a couple times, every single player.
Then tell me if this is a draw play, with a straight face lol.   It’s not about who is right, it’s about the film.  It tells you all you need to know.
https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #179 on: October 01, 2018, 09:34:43 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 01, 2018, 08:17:48 PM
At the Heartbreak Hotel? Franklin got the last vacancy
I didn't know there was a Lonely St. in State College
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #180 on: October 01, 2018, 09:45:21 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 01, 2018, 09:33:48 PM
Ok Super.   Watch this a couple times, every single player.
Then tell me if this is a draw play, with a straight face lol.   It’s not about who is right, it’s about the film.  It tells you all you need to know.
https://imgur.com/tZ0sbc7.gif
that play is SO poorly blocked, it's hard to tell it's an offensive play
if McSorely was reading the play, it wasn't a poor read
If he wasn't reading the play and simply handing off, it was supposed to give the appearance of a read/option to decoy the defense
Obviously can't determine intent by the film.  Gotta take the player's and coach's word for the intent from the post game comments
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Re: White Out Your Life 9/29/18 SOC
« Reply #181 on: October 01, 2018, 09:45:50 PM »
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/9/30/17918990/osu-psu-reaction-analysis-2018

Now, read this expert analysis. It shows you, and tells you that this play was EXACTLY what I said it was.  A read option with an RPO, giving McSorley THREE options.  They even use those words, exactly.

I never said it was a good play.  But to describe as a draw or a straight run makes it sound like it was easy to stop.  

Sorry.....I am not going to let someone distort what is obvious on film.

By the way Badge, thank you for providing this link.  I didn’t know it was out there yet but I knew it would be.  
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