Well the Lions have officially given up on Jeff Okudah. Giving him to Atlanta for a 5th round pick? He seemed fine when healthy. He clearly was never living up to being the #3 pick, but he wasn't unplayable.Lamar Jackson? Lol. In all seriousness, I hope not. I love Lamar but they need to use their #6 and #18 picks and not trade them away...not to mention they don't need to be cap strapped by a $200+ mil guaranteed contract.
Appears to be a salary cap move, but who are they clearing cap space for?
Lamar Jackson? Lol. In all seriousness, I hope not. I love Lamar but they need to use their #6 and #18 picks and not trade them away...not to mention they don't need to be cap strapped by a $200+ mil guaranteed contract.I agree about not taking a CB that high. But to be fair to Okudah, an Achilles takes time to recover from.
I first guessed Okudah. You flat out don't take a CB in the top 3 unless they are Charles Woodson/Champ Bailey type players/prospects. Okudah was really good for one year at Ohio State- but he was never even remotely close to that universe.
I agree about not taking a CB that high. But to be fair to Okudah, an Achilles takes time to recover from.yeah achilles are pretty serious injuries for CBs, RBs, WRs imo.
yeah achilles are pretty serious injuries for CBs, RBs, WRs imo.And even Woodson was meh as an outside corner, and then evolved into an elite hybrid nickel/FS after his turf toe.
If you get Okudah at say pick #23, that makes sense. Based on his upside, size, athleticism. But at #3, you better be getting a as close to a sure thing generational type talent if you're taking a CB. At #3 you take a QB every time over a CB unless that CB is like Bailey/Woodson type level prospect.
Lions would've been better off taking Herbert or even Tua at #3. The potential of this Lions team with Justin Herbert at QB on a rookie deal would be scary to be honest.
And even Woodson was meh as an outside corner, and then evolved into an elite hybrid nickel/FS after his turf toe.yeah that just isn't true. Woodson was the best outside CB in the NFL basically from day one for the first 5 years of his NFL career in Oakland. It wasn't a turf toe that derailed his Oakland career, it was a leg injury. His last couple seasons in Oakland he fell off the map and the Raiders decided not to franchise him so he went to Green Bay to get the big pay check.
Even once he lost a chunk of his athleticism, he still became a solid CB, combined with being Troy Polamalu, without the massive coverage misses that nobody seems to notice with Polamlau
yeah that just isn't true. Woodson was the best outside CB in the NFL basically from day one for the first 5 years of his NFL career in Oakland. It wasn't a turf toe that derailed his Oakland career, it was a leg injury. His last couple seasons in Oakland he fell off the map and the Raiders decided not to franchise him so he went to Green Bay to get the big pay check.He was never a lockdown outside corner after that 2002 season. He was a HOF DB. But never a pure corner after that. I wasn't insulting him. I said he was Troy Polamalu but with coverage ability, and wouldn't abandon scheme like Troy did.
And he didn't really lose any of his athleticism in Green Bay, he was actually healthy again and Dom Capers smartly decided to use him everywhere from outside, to nickel, to free safety, to even a dime LB role- and Woodson's career took off again. If you think he lost athleticism in Green Bay- watch the tape. Dude broke his shoulder in the Super Bowl running stride for stride and breaking up a ball playing man to man outside vs Mike Wallace- who was a 4.3 guy for the Steelers.
He was never a lockdown outside corner after that 2002 season. He was a HOF DB. But never a pure corner after that. I wasn't insulting him. I said he was Troy Polamalu but with coverage ability, and wouldn't abandon scheme like Troy did.fair enough. he was far more effective and lethal to disrupting an offense by moving him all around. might be the best tackling CB that's ever played in the NFL. can't remember how many times he's made huge plays disrupting the ball by making big hits and slapping the ball out of the ball carriers hands. Including the most infamous one which spawned a dynasty- the Tuck Rule. That was a sack/fumble....don't care what anyone says. Dude just made plays all over the field. Was in awe of his play making ability. Still remember that tackle he made at the goal line on McGahee or that INT he made vs Dallas at the goal line covering Witten- he basically beat the Cowboys by himself that day- just like he did in college vs Ohio State in '97.
I think he is the best NFL DB in NFL history. But not as a pure cover corner
NFL Sunday Ticket is moving to YouTubeTVI think at a pretty decent price jump
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1645779260488007680?s=20
This is a weird statement imo.
I think he is the best NFL DB in NFL history. But not as a pure cover corner
This is a weird statement imo.Not necessarily.
It's like saying a guy is the best defensive second baseman ever (a la Bill Mazeroski).
Okay, that's great and all, but if he was that great a defender, he'd be playing shortstop.
cover corner > DB
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no?
This is a weird statement imo.You don't like your corners to contribute at all in run support, or really tackling of any kind?
It's like saying a guy is the best defensive second baseman ever (a la Bill Mazeroski).
Okay, that's great and all, but if he was that great a defender, he'd be playing shortstop.
cover corner > DB
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no?
Well the Lions have officially given up on Jeff Okudah. Giving him to Atlanta for a 5th round pick? He seemed fine when healthy. He clearly was never living up to being the #3 pick, but he wasn't unplayable.
Appears to be a salary cap move, but who are they clearing cap space for?
Lions WR Jameson Williams suspended 6 games for violating NFL gambling policy.Cephus for a year.
Great. Kid missed most of last year recovering from an ACL and he’s going to miss the first 6 games this year because of gambling. Wtf.
You don't like your corners to contribute at all in run support, or really tackling of any kind?If a CB's run support ability is even mentioned, I think the conversation has gone astray.
If a CB's run support ability is even mentioned, I think the conversation has got astray.I disagree
No DC in football relies on their CB to have any specific job when it comes to the run defense.
I disagreeSaying a CB is a good tackler would be a back-handed compliment, wouldn't it? As in 'he's not great in coverage.'
if you're not going to play the run and tackle, you shouldn't be playing defense
Idk, I think I have to go with the "don't hustle" idea from a podcast I loved listening to.Ok, even given all that. Going back to the original point, I'd still rather have a top 3 cover corner, who was also an elite tackler. It's not like we are talking about comparing him to the Texans #2 corner, who might be an above average tackler. We are talking about a HOF CB, who could have been a HOF safety
It was a fantasy baseball podcast, and they'd lament when player after player, hustling to make a catch or beat out a throw would inevitably get hurt and be out 4-6 weeks.
1 out isn't worth a great player being out that long. Neither is 1 hit.
They were looking at it as selfish fantasy baseball owners, but in actuality, they're right.
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So I apply that to Deion.
If you have the best cover CB of all-time, I don't care if he isn't an enthusiastic tackler. Even if he's a pussy and is afraid he'll get hurt tacking a 220 lb NFL RB, a) he may be correct, and b) that one play isn't worth him being injured for half the season.
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Silly me.
Antoine Winfield Sr. played 14 years in the National Football LeagueGreat pro, but one of the best CFB players I have seen.
Total tackles: 1,094
Sacks: 7.5
Interceptions: 27
HEY-HEY-HEY there's a certain team in Cleveland that says HELLO
Here's to hoping the dark ages are coming to Green Bay. Similar to what the Raiders and Lions usually are.
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maybe skewed a bit if factoring 2nd and 3rd string RBsSaw this one today... Holy smokes.
only 1st string kickers
30 years with two HOF QBs and they only won two Super Bowls in that time...The Packers roster has needed to be burned down and rebuilt for the past 4 seasons. Rodgers single handedly dragged that team to the playoffs every year despite the roster and coaching.
Sounds like underachieving to me.
30 years with two HOF QBs and they only won two Super Bowls in that time...
Sounds like underachieving to me.
Its funny of the last 10 SB. 6 have been won by Brady and Mahomes. Brady has always played on a below market contract. Mahomes was on a rookie contract for 2 of 3 SBs he's been.100%. Dallas just paid Dak like $45 million a year and all they've gotten for that over 2 full seasons was 1 wild card playoff win. Doubtful they'll get much more than that.
The others have been won by rookie contract (Wilson), Manning (passenger and renegoiated his contract), a career backup, and a very solid vet QB Stafford.
maybe the narrative should be stop paying QBs so much freaking money.
I'm very thankful too Hutch.....very thankful too. Kinda crazy but the two best young 2nd year defensive players by far in the NFL- both born and raised in Detroit area.....NY Jets CB Sauce Gardner and Detroit Lions EDGE Aidan Hutchinson. Hutchinson was a top 100 national recruit (#88 player in 247 and #1 in MI), Gardner was the #1,605 player in the 247Composite, #154 CB, and #40 player in MI. Yikes. How did so many get that one so wrong?Developed at Cincy by the UW coaching staff. :)
Only two defensive rookies from '22 made the NFL Top 100 2023 list as voted on by players, Aidan Hutchinson at #88 and Sauce Gardner at #23. Gardner was also the highest rated CB on the list. Only 3 rookies made the list total. NY Jets had two of them, with WR Garrett Wilson also making the list at #74.
https://twitter.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1692296494575976775?s=20
Developed at Cincy by the UW coaching staff. :)no doubt that Fickell can identify and develop defensive talent with the best of them. Wisconsin going to get a lot of gems like that going forward.
I watched some "analysis" of Stetson Bennett's first preseason effort, it was interesting. He started with about four AWFUL plays in a row, and then did pretty well. I guess he'll back up their other guy for a while. Anyway, it was somewhat amusing, to me.Stetson has been making waves all pre-season with the Rams. EVERY one in cfb slept on him his entire career- even his own coaches at UGA- and he just turned out to be maybe the greatest QB that UGA has ever had. Going to be very interesting to see how UGA does without him.
Great job of backside blocking - keeping up with it for the whole play. A coach can really work with that effort and athleticism.yeah he looks pretty good for a 26 year old who just started playing OL two years ago.
Looks like he has to learn how to turn into a tree stump 2-3 steps into the pass-blocking engagement, though.
geez, played in 17 games at NDSU and nfl scouts thought he was the shit?49ers traded THREE 1st rd picks to get him as well....daaaamn
Cowboys trade a 4th rd pick to the 49ers for QB Trey Lance....wtf. Lol. Wouldn't give up a ham sammich for Lance if I ran an NFL team...Ya WTF somewhere Jimmy Johnson is LHAO 🤣
49ers traded THREE 1st rd picks to get him as well....daaaamnJeebis they're making the BROWNS front office look like talent Gurus. Well that's a stretch but at least they got a serviceable QB
CJ Stroud named Houston Texans starting QB. I think Stroud will be the offensive rookie of the year and Justin Fields will be the NFL offensive breakout player of the year.I think it will be a learning year for Stroud. The offensive line for Houston is horrible.
also...if I am the Bears or Texans I am hounding the Colts everyday to try and make a deal for Jonathan Taylor.
Which rookie QBs are to start? Didn't Richardson get the nod? That fooled me. Stroud is not a shock of course. Young also?Stroud and Young were always going to be the starters there. Those dudes were about as polished as it gets as passers coming out of college and the Texans and Panthers don't really have anyone else.
I'm not sold on the Lions as the next world-beaters, but given that the NFC is trash behind Philly and SF, why not the Motor City Kitties?they won 8 of their last 10 games last year and beat the Packers in Lambeau to knock them off the playoffs, they finished HOT.
moronlol true. Lions should've drafted Jalen Carter. Would've given them budding young studs in the middle at DT and at EDGE (Hutch)- would've level'd up that DL immensely. Hutch needs help on the DL. They didn't get him any- they f'd up.
Mahomie is goodYeah he is.
So they can't find Chris Jones any money, but they are paying Juwaan Taylor $20 million a year for this?Juwaan Taylor is a fcking BUM. Holy shit how in the holy hell are they paying him that?
https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1699988231717068832?t=eR-bn_siHVen7dUxCfdjmA&s=19Toney is a 1st rd bust. he stinks....can't catch a cold...that's why the Giants shipped his ass out of there. Andy Reid was just looking at the guys speed- oh he's fast- I can teach him how to play. Can't teach them all coach. Some guys are just great athletes that suck at football.
Lol, Mike Tirico won’t recognize the Lions win without an asterisk. Because the Chiefs didn’t field Kelce or Chris Jones. Can somebody tell this “expert” that missing players is part of Football?Lions were missing players too. It's football. F**k Mike Tirico, he's always been a moronic twat.
If anything, where’s the asterisk for how many holding penalties the Chiefs OL got away with?
https://twitter.com/Outkick/status/1700109226574762437
Tirico is a clown in the booth, and now with Big Ten football on NBC we have to suffer through even more of him.it wouldn't be so bad on the B1G games if it was Tirico alone. The fact that it's Big Turd Cock Simms with him....jfc. I might have to watch NBC B1G games on mute.
He is a solid host. When he does the Olympics, I like him. When he calls a game, blah. I don't get the Collinsworth hate. I don't love him, but he seems totally "fine" to me
it wouldn't be so bad on the B1G games if it was Tirico alone. The fact that it's Big Turd Cock Simms with him....jfc. I might have to watch NBC B1G games on mute.At least UMs Peacock game was a meaningless game against ECU. MSU-Iowa is our Peacock game
https://twitter.com/TheMichaelGrey/status/1700156991027478843?s=20Taylor is an absolute bum. If he wasn't cheating and holding the entire game he would've given up 5 sacks.
At least UMs Peacock game was a meaningless game against ECU. MSU-Iowa is our Peacock gametime will tell if MSU-Iowa is meaningless or not
I'll admit I was wrong. I wanted Kayvon. Hitch was the more complete player, But I never thought he would be an elite pass rusher, and in the NFL, I questioned how valuable run stopping would be. But he's still solid against the run, and he has already surpassed what I thought he could be as a pass rusher. I just don't get how it took the Lions half a season to figure out how he liked to line upsaw it at Michigan after only 2 years starting- knew he was going to be at the very least a dude in the NFL and his combine is what made me think he would be elite- he's a better pure athlete than either of the Bosa's- and his NFL combine showed that.
time will tell if MSU-Iowa is meaningless or notI mean, it is. It shouldn't be, but it is. Hell Colorado-Nebraska is meaningless. Georgia-Ball State, despite the outcome being all but certain, is a more meaningful game
I hope Jordan Love sucks. Packers don’t need to go another 10-15 years with an awesome QB.yup, rooting for Fields but Da Bears don't have much to work with
These mfs went 30 years with a HOF QB. Time they feel the rest of our pain.
I hope Jordan Love sucks. Packers don’t need to go another 10-15 years with an awesome QB.Even the Colts had Luck retire early
These mfs went 30 years with a HOF QB. Time they feel the rest of our pain.
Even the Colts had Luck retire earlyplus Peyton also missed an entire season with injury.
saw it at Michigan after only 2 years starting- knew he was going to be at the very least a dude in the NFL and his combine is what made me think he would be elite- he's a better pure athlete than either of the Bosa's- and his NFL combine showed that.Is that why JB had more TFL,sacks and 5 less combined tackles in 3 yrs than Hutch had in 4 during College?
Man this has been a nice football weekend for some folks down here in Texico.Giants probably stink but Dallas looked great. That front 7 looks nasty. Parsons is the best player in the NFL right now imo.
Man this has been a nice football weekend for some folks down here in Texico.Our Houston office has a lot of Texas A&M alums, so the Aggie/Texans fans are feeling a little different
Our Houston office has a lot of Texas A&M alums, so the Aggie/Texans fans are feeling a little differentYeah I know a few of those. "Droopy" would be an appropriate descriptor for them, currently.
"Droopy" would be an appropriate descriptor for them, currently.
Most of us already knew the Jets were a dumpster fire.Their defense is legit. Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall are STUDS.
Their defense is legit. Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall are STUDS.kinda like the Vikings acquiring Cousins and not addressing the OL
They aren’t a dumpster fire. Their OL is straight up trash though. Idk why on earth they thought acquiring a 40 year old QB and not addressing the OL was a good idea though.
Eagles or 49ers are winning the Super Bowl this year imo. both those teams just have rosters on another level than everyone else. chiefs got no WRs and their OL is suspect imo.49ers have BY FAR the best surrounding roster, but Brock Purdy would be the worst starting QB to win a Super Bowl since...?
49ers have BY FAR the best surrounding roster, but Brock Purdy would be the worst starting QB to win a Super Bowl since...?probably either Nick Foles or a completely washed Peyton Manning who couldn't throw a ball further than 20 yards in the air without it wobbling.
49ers have BY FAR the best surrounding roster, but Brock Purdy would be the worst starting QB to win a Super Bowl since...?(https://scontent.ffod1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/374495962_10224436322158137_4048922981541257681_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5614bc&_nc_ohc=enBy5zzxjtYAX-B-iSX&_nc_ht=scontent.ffod1-1.fna&oh=00_AfBhtbwPFV-ZblOKXrS-rT016OVGPfx01dezhg-jvylYNg&oe=650AB3FB)
How can they flag you for PI while the guy is pulling you by your facemask into him?great question. idk wtf why Detroit keeps getting boned by the zebras. that was horseshit.
And somehow not PI?they are getting every call and no call going their way. it's fcking ridiculous rn.
F Seattle
idk...is that good...Yeah, he needs some help. The fact that Seattle is down both tackles and their center, and Lions still can't get pressure without blitzing is very concerning
https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1702486603317248033?s=20
Jalen Carter had a heckuva NFL debut with the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday. According to Zebra statistics, Carter tied a rookie NFL record for most pressures for a rookie defensive tackle in a game over the last five seasons. He recorded six pressures and one sack on 32 total pass rushes against the New England Patriots.
I may never get over the Lions not just taking Jalen Carter and teaming him up with Aidan Hutchinson for the next decade....
Yeah, he needs some help. The fact that Seattle is down both tackles and their center, and Lions still can't get pressure without blitzing is very concerningnot only does he need help, but it's easier to gameplan around an edge rusher and kind of take him out of the game. that is harder to do with a defensive tackle. and you especially can't do that when you have a defensive tackle and edge rusher wrecking the game at the same time. can't double, chip, run plays away from both of them...
And the defense promptly squanders itthey have me ripping my hair out.....they needed to just spend all their draft picks on defense....instead they pass on Jalen Carter and then trade down and take a fcking undersized speed RB at 12. Make it make sense.
Joe Burrow, in the 8th quarter of the season, finally went over 200 yards passing for the year.that is wild. they are about to start 0-2 and Burrow has been....bad. idk wtf going on there in Cincy. Burrow must still be hurt.
That's the Lions I ain't lyin' doesn't see the wide open guy but finds an opponent who is also 🤡100%
What the hell is Geno doing?no idea but thank god he's a moron. Lions caught a huge break right there.
Way to throw it short of the sticks on 3rd downGoff is so average. He's just good enough not to get benched. Need to draft a QB in the 1st in '24.
Absolutely zero pressureAnd now Hutch is injured
yup. same old lions.This.
i blame dan campbell for lolly gagging and not trying to score a touchdown on their final drive with about 2 mins and 3 TOs left. they played not to lose instead of just trying to end the fcking game in regulation.
Cowboys have been quite fun to watch so far this season. Parsons is one of the most influential players in the league.That’s saying it lightly. He is as dominant as anyone in the league.
Cowboys have been quite fun to watch so far this season. Parsons is one of the most influential players in the league.the 'Girls might actually be legit this year. they certainly own the state of New York right now at the very least. that defense is hellacious. Parsons is hands down the best defensive player in the whole damn league right now. he's just better than everyone- he can simply do things no other player can do. he's that dude. that dude used to be Aaron Donald, but football is a young mans game and right now the young man who owns the game is Parsons.
That’s saying it lightly. He is as dominant as anyone in the league.best player in the whole damn league imo
Miami has the best offense in the NFL with a healthy Tua. So much speed everywhere and an awesome play caller in Mike McDaniel.24 points?
Lions should’ve drafted Tua instead of Okudah and Jalen Carter instead of Gibbs. If I was the Lions GM they’d be freaking awesome. :)
24 points?night game in Foxboro vs Belichik ain't easy. Pats still have one of the best D's in the NFL and Belichik might be questionable as a GM but he's still the best DC in the game bar none.
the 'Girls might actually be legit this year. they certainly own the state of New York right now at the very least. that defense is hellacious. Parsons is hands down the best defensive player in the whole damn league right now. he's just better than everyone- he can simply do things no other player can do. he's that dude. that dude used to be Aaron Donald, but football is a young mans game and right now the young man who owns the game is Parsons.Mike McCarthy is the coach.
Mike McCarthy is the coach.fact.
The Cowboys are going to spit the bit at the worst possible time in December or January.
Mike McCarthy is the coach.Most likely true.
The Cowboys are going to spit the bit at the worst possible time in December or January.
fact.Sigh. Yup.
dallas with sean payton would've been scary....
The Braves were getting pounded so I flipped over to the Falcons game to see GB score a TD, and turned it off. I was shocked to see the final score later.Bijan Robinson with 19 carries for 124 yards. I like that dude.
Bijan Robinson with 19 carries for 124 yards. I like that dude.Lions should've fckn stayed put and taken him if they really wanted a RB.
oh my dear lord prayers for Nick Chubb. that injury looks horrific, and believe it was to the same knee he injured at Georgia that almost ended his career.I was watching but didn't actually see the injury. Browns truly are cursed.
f'n sucks, Chubb seems like a great guy and he's an awesome player. Browns truly are cursed....
Yes not that you want anyone to get hurt least of all a class act like him. Jeebus - that game - just brutal. While the Browns dropped some passes and Watson facemasked a guy two previous times he damn near got his head ripped off by a d-lineman and everyone in the Stadium sans the the zebras saw it. Also Watson's 1st face mask which he did commit came after that guy slapped/hit him in the head while tackling Watson, FFS. How was that not at the very least not off setting. That being said Watson didn't elevate his play when Chubb went out like a Brady,Brees,Mahomes, Manning seemed to doYeah, and if Chubb's injury is as bad as the announcers and @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) made it sound, the Browns will be without Chubb for the season. It feels like with him they are a contender AT LEAST for the division and without him they are a non-playoff team.
Yeah, and if Chubb's injury is as bad as the announcers and @Mdot21 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1595) made it sound, the Browns will be without Chubb for the season. It feels like with him they are a contender AT LEAST for the division and without him they are a non-playoff team.you can go on youtube, google, instagram, twitter, etc. if you want to see it. warning: it's very stomach turning. it looked so bad I'd say they might be without Chubb forever and not just the season. it looked like a career ender- especially because it was on the same exact knee he already injured severely in college.
you can go on youtube, google, instagram, twitter, etc. if you want to see it. warning: it's very stomach turning.Yeah, I'd rather not.
this is insane, terrible, and a downright tragedy. i don't know how something like this happens....how f'n dumb can people be? getting into a fist fight at a football stadium over a freaking game? you can take the man out of florida i guess, but you can't take the florida out of the florida man....jfc.WTF, go home and punch the wall,unless the guy was provoked/attacked and defending himself no reason at all for that crap
I know there was a time where I've gotten livid, steam-coming-from-ears, mindless angry over the result of a football game. Badge can attest to it, I've been on the phone with him while in that state.that is a great point, and you're right it's a huge problem.
Some people get that angry and lash out swinging. Others realize that it's not good and gain some perspective.
Also, the amount of problem-level drinking at NFL games puts even the booziest college stadiums (cough cough Camp Randall) to shame. I went to the Vikings game at the New Brickhouse the week after the Metrodome roof fell in. No sooner than I arrived than I saw 3 cops hauling off a man who was HAMMERED. While doing so, the man projectile vomited all over the concourse. Everyone just walked right through it.
unfortunately, an NFL stadium is no place for women & childrenvery true. which is pretty sad, because it's suppose to be a family event.
Remember that a lot of those fans were hammered when they walked through the turnstiles.Agree 100%.
Heck, I'm not sure whether they sold alcohol at your stadiums when you were students for CFB (they didn't at the time for Purdue though they do now, not to mention that I was underage for a few seasons and too poor to buy alcohol at stadium prices)... But I can tell you I was NOT sober for games pretty much ever.
I doubt a lot of those folks got drunk AT the stadium. Some might have gotten slightly MORE drunk at the stadium, but that's really expensive to do. I'm guessing they were hammered before kickoff.
I doubt a lot of those folks got drunk AT the stadium. Some might have gotten slightly MORE drunk at the stadium, but that's really expensive to do. I'm guessing they were hammered before kickoff.Keggs & Eggs
Agree 100%.I think our sample from this forum is fouled because most of us did undergrad in stadiums where alcohol wasn't readily available. I know I went into the stadium drink, but always had the outlook that my time in the stadium would help sober me up.
I might have a beer at a stadium but most people aren't getting hammered on stadium-price beer. The ones starting fights and projectile vomiting while being dragged out probably didn't get that way on stadium beer.
Justin Fields having a really bad start.....and it's not all on the Bears....he's had guys wide open that he's just not even seeing.maybe it's not all on da Bears, but da Bears do have a strong track record of ruining QBs
All of this tracks. Lions either need to find an elite pass rusher, and just let Hutch be a good pass rusher and elite edge contain, or get stronger up the middle and let him sell out on pass rushing. They drafted him as the best all around edge, and so far he has been that, but they haven't helped him. James Houstons injury makes things worseteams these days have multiple guys in the front 7 that you have to account for. Parsons is a freak and the best player in football, but it's just not him in Dallas- that front 7 is nasty AF and deep. Aaron Donald is the best d-tackle I've ever seen and he didn't win a Super Bowl until they got him some more help with Leonard Floyd and Von Miller. Von Miller was at his absolute prime in Denver when he also had guys around him like DeMarcus Ware, Shaq Barrett, Malik Jackson, Bradley Chubb, and Derek Wolfe. The Eagles entire front 7 is a whole ass unit of DUDES. 49ers have always had dudes in the front 7 since day one that Nick Bosa has been there- Arik Armstead, DeForrest Buckner, Dre Greenlaw, Fred Warner.
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1704211341047664662?t=VYhKIeZc_uMaFhxZoeDf9w&s=19
Justin Fields having a really bad start.....and it's not all on the Bears....he's had guys wide open that he's just not even seeing. He's taken 10 sacks this year in 2 games, NINE of them after 4 seconds in the pocket. 4 seconds is an ETERNITY in the NFL for a QB in a pocket to find an open guy or throw a ball away.
Doesn't look like my perennial rooting interest Joe Burrow is having a good start either. That big fat contract he just picked up must be very heavy and weighing him down.Burrow missed a lot of camp/pre-season with injury. he's still injured, not 100%. might explain the rust and mediocre performance through 2 weeks. he's a proven commodity and the 2nd best QB in the NFL behind Mahomes. He'll be fine.
The Bears are never going to amount to anything so long as the McCaskeys own the team.Da Bears. You take a kid who was a more accurate passer than Trevor Lawrence and a better runner than Murray- and mess him up.
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/lists/bears-justin-fields-takes-shot-at-coaches-luke-getsy-twitter-reaction/Oof. This was in one of the Twitter posts below. Talk about an epic takedown of an entire organization...
Based on Twitter reaction- he is getting a lot of support.
He didn’t look anything like the QB I watched at OSU. A real baller.
Oof. This was in one of the Twitter posts below. Talk about an epic takedown of an entire organization...(https://i.imgur.com/65Jqq8P.png)
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/9/20/23881450/justin-fields-chicago-bears-offense-matt-eberflus
Dolphins put up 70 on DenverThey had 70 with 8 min left, too.
was on record here many times- said it before the draft, Panthers should've taken Stroud #1 overall. He's 6-foot-3 and not a midget like Bryce Young and his accuracy/ball placement might be the best I've ever seen out of a college QB.Even better than Drew Henson?!?!?!
Even better than Drew Henson?!?!?!ha. Drew Henson is by far the most talented, best QB that I've ever seen play at Michigan. Sad it was only about 9 or 10 starts.
was on record here many times- said it before the draft, Panthers should've taken Stroud #1 overall. He's 6-foot-3 and not a midget like Bryce Young and his accuracy/ball placement might be the best I've ever seen out of a college QB.I agree Stroud stood tall in the pocket threw dimes but SO many times performance in CFB specially surrounded by Sunday talent doesn't translate.When surrounded by equal/better talent all around at the next level the carriage starts morphing back to the pumpkin at warp speed
Cowgirls gonna Cowgirlit still kinda blowing my mind rn they actually lost to the Arizona Cardinals starting Josh Dobbs....a team whose ownership is actively trying to tank and lose every game this year for Caleb Williams
I didn't see it with Stroud, but so far, so good. Haskins was the one OSU QB NFL career I hitched my wagon to.The difference ( the biggest one) is work ethic. And humility. Stroud has gobs of both.
Dolphins put up 70 on DenverWhat the Dolphins did to Denver just doesn’t happen in the NFL. 70 points and 726 total yards in offense. That’s only supposed to be reserved for mismatches in high school and college.
Al Davis would be proudThere's a difference tho...
I mean he's playing the Broncos this week, who allowed 30 more points than they did, to not the defending champions.1-16 maybe? I don't follow much, but I thought they went to a 17 game schedule.
So 1-15 is within reach
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No matter how many games they play, the Lions don't make the playoffsGiven that the NFC is Frisco, Philly, and 12 buckets of warm piss, the Lions are already in position for the 5 seed, if not the North title.
Given that the NFC is Frisco, Philly, and 12 buckets of warm piss, the Lions are already in position for the 5 seed, if not the North title.How dare you forget the 'Boys, they were sandbagging - hoping to dump the automaton McCarthy and portal Prime in by the end of December
How dare you forget the 'Boys, they were sandbagging - hoping to dump the automaton McCarthy and portal Prime in by the end of DecemberI already talked about 12 buckets of warm piss.
Damn, missed opportunity to really put the boot down and make it a 3 score gamejordan love just did his part to help make it a 3 score game! LFG!
Brian Branch appears to have had his Achilles pop. He's the single most important player to this defense.He is back on sideline at least.
Such a nice change to see our Lions looking this good- and in Green Bay.Since the last time the Lions won the NFC Central in 1993, every other team in the NFC has won their division at least 3 times. That said they're the only team in the division that looks like a living, breathing football team.
How long has it been?
https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1707817529119490390?s=20he has one more pressure in one more game?
he has one more pressure in one more game?No.
Corngrats!
he has one more pressure in one more game?Is “corngrats” a Nebraska thing?😂
Corngrats!
nice stat that the Lions sole playoff win was a beating of the CowboysIt was a blowout too. Second year I followed football, and the Lions made the NFC Championship Game. I didn't get all of the whining
Bears suck.can see it now...
can see it now...He would need a defense. The QB is not the problem, contrary to popular narrative.
Jeem wins the natty rides off into the sunset goes to the Bears and they draft Caleb Williams #1 and Marv Jr #2 and move Fields to RB and they are great.
He would need a defense. The QB is not the problem, contrary to popular narrative.He might not be THE problem, but he definitely is a problem.
Some rumors of the Lions being interested in Maxx Crosby, and the Raiders listening. Pride of Detroit podcast said the cost (in addition to his salary) would probably only be a 2nd round pickWOW if that happens. Talk about a game changer over night. Lions would be SERIOUS contenders with another EDGE player on defense like that....
He might not be THE problem, but he definitely is a problem.After last night he is tied for the league lead in TD passes. Again- took his team to a 27-3 halftime lead.
Even after that game, he ranks #28 of 33 qualified QBs in Total QBR
My impression of the NFl continues to be that few teams are bad, or good, most end up between 10-6 and 6-10 mostly because the ball bounced this way and not that. I know it's still early, and maybe 2-3 teams will be clearly better than the rest. I guess in that it resembles the B1G a bit, three top teams, one decent team, a vast muddle in the middle, and then ...
Some rumors of the Lions being interested in Maxx Crosby, and the Raiders listening. Pride of Detroit podcast said the cost (in addition to his salary) would probably only be a 2nd round pickI'm hopin Maxx has a big game tonight
Somebody earlier on this thread somewhere....ELA?....said the 49ers could go all the way and if they did, Brock Purdy would be the worst QB to win a SB since...?"Lowest paid" != "worst"
.....I dunno.....the $900k/yr. QB looked pretty dang good, way better than the $40mil/yr QB.
"Lowest paid" != "worst"
"Latest drafted" != "worst"
point == "Obviously."
Output: True
I brought up their salaries just for an interesting contrast. The point was clearly that someone had opined that he's not a good QB, and from what little I've seen of him, that's not the case.
The GM in Seattle deserves a ton of credit for taking the Broncos to the cleaners on that trade.Elway is a sucker for past their prime QBs
The Jets get their first ever franchise win over Philly. That seems impossible. 0-12 before today.I heard the record before this week. I couldn't believe they had only ever played each other 12 times
Lions close it out on the road 20-6 to move to 5-1.49ers are a beast. I think right now I would put the Lions #3. If they add Crosby, #2.
I think if they trade for Maxx Crosby without giving up any players and just picks they turn into a legit Super Bowl contender overnight.
I had given up on Anzelone, but he might be the 2nd best player in that front 7Go Gators
Elway is a suckerfor past their prime QBs
49ers are a beast. I think right now I would put the Lions #3. If they add Crosby, #2.Crosby will make Hutch a much better player than he already is. Offer a 1 and maybe a late round pick. They are probably in the drivers seat for a 1 seed as their sched is much easier than 49ers/Eagles. Just go for it now, Crosby's contract is rather reasonable for a top 5-7 rusher.
Jameson reeling in that TD today is huge. He has so much talent, but it didn't seem like the staff believed in him..we have good enough WR/TE without him, but the one thing we lack is is a guy to take the top off. Honestly all Williams needs to be is good enough to be a reasonable deep threat.
The fact that the front seven looks good is the biggest development. Hutch has been great all year. Houston has been hurt, and was the only other guy I trusted. After Seattle, I figured that was the downfall, but credit to Aaron Glenn. Not much talent around Hutch, but they are playing well. I had given up on Anzelone, but he might be the 2nd best player in that front 7
Crosby will make Hutch a much better player than he already is. Offer a 1 and maybe a late round pick. They are probably in the drivers seat for a 1 seed as their sched is much easier than 49ers/Eagles. Just go for it now, Crosby's contract is rather reasonable for a top 5-7 rusher.100%. Go all in on Crosby, offer Raiders a 1 and a 4th or 5th and get it done.
We stopped at a place in town for a late lunch on Sunday. Turns out it was a Philly bar.Looks like a solid menu on both the food & beer sides.
Man, Eagles fans are obnoxious. We had to leave it was so bad.
Great food though. Note: Do not go on Sundays during NFL season.
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Man, Eagles fans are obnoxious. We had to leave it was so bad.
No need to narrow it down. Although Boston is right thereEaglesPhilly fans are absolutely the worst. That's the only thing that Cowboys fans and Giants fans agree on.
No need to narrow it down. Although Boston is right thereYears ago (early 2000s) I was in Boston for work, and after visiting customers my sales guy and I went to his local bar in Southie where he lived for drinks. It was a Thursday night back in the day when there was a lot of CFB on Thursdays, I think typically Big East matchups.
Eagles fans are absolutely the worst. That's the only thing that Cowboys fans and Giants fans agree on.I know several people who went to Philadelphia for the NFC Championship Game that the Vikings were in, and all of them, after being pelted with insults, beer, food, and whatever loose objects were at the ready, were escorted out of the stadium for their own safety.
No need to narrow it down. Although Boston is right thereMassholes
yeah feel like it's pretty well known that people in general from Philly are just the worst. they even made a tv show about horrible despicable people from philly...it's always sunny in philadelphia. bill burr's epic 10 minute rant when he was performing in philly where he's just trashing the city and the people to their faces is probably the greatest thing i've ever heard.You got a lot of Philly over on your side? Lots of PA plates over here but mostly from the Pittsburgh side of the state.
Is there an NFL game without a big melee in the stands or concourses anymore? Nfl has a big problem on its hands to which it doesn't appear to be taking any heat over.Seems to happen a lot these days.
You got a lot of Philly over on your side? Lots of PA plates over here but mostly from the Pittsburgh side of the state.I thought all of Western PA just went to Myrtle
I think ALL of the Philly ones were in one place this past Sunday.
It gets cold there.I know. I don't get it
CJ Stroud quietly has the Texans at 3-3 and is completing 60% of his passes for 1,660 pass yards and a 9 TD vs 1 INT ratio. Easily rookie of the year through 6 weeks of the NFL season and one of the best rookie QB starts we've seen in years. Panthers screwed the pooch taking the 5'9" midget at #1 overall.
Kind of insane actually to think that Ohio State had CJ Stroud at QB, Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Jameson Williams, and Marvin Harison Jr at WR all on the same roster and never won a title.
You got a lot of Philly over on your side? Lots of PA plates over here but mostly from the Pittsburgh side of the state.Nah not too many actually. It's mostly NY/NJ.
I think ALL of the Philly ones were in one place this past Sunday.
I don't think they were better than Georgia, but I think on that night, they should have won that game. And then yes, I think about 20 teams would have beaten TCU in that championshipI don't know about 20, but definitely 5-6 would've beaten TCU handedly in that championship.
Nah not too many actually. It's mostly NY/NJ.that was my experience in Ft Lauderdale back in the mid-90s
No need to narrow it down. Although Boston is right thereOh I believe it, I just don't ever encounter any fans of other sports, from Philadelphia. I don't give a rat's ass about major league baseball or basketball or hockey.
There's been a young man at my church wearing a jersey.Classy.
MDT goes to one of those hippie churches with a rock band and everything.Didn't the hippies wear long hair to imitate Jesus? Pretty sure Jesus
https://x.com/TheBuckeyeNut/status/1714830544201294297?s=20Accurate. Stroud is a stud.
Cousins is the ultimate fantasy quarterback: great at filling up a stat sheet, awful at winning when the game is on the line.He's the problem with paying any QB who isn't Brady or Rodgers or Mahomes. If you have a really good quarterback, in the #5-#10 range, that is still not good enough to win a championship for how much of your salary cap he eats up. The Bengals are finding that out this year. Joe Burrow with the roster you can surround him with on a rookie contract looks a lot better than Joe Burrow with the roster you can surround him with once you have to pay him.
Cousins is the ultimate fantasy quarterback: great at filling up a stat sheet, awful at winning when the game is on the line.he cost me a win last week
Illegal contact is the dumbest rule in football. You have holding, you have PI, there is no way that should be a penaltyIncorrect, the illegal blindside block is the dumbest rule. But illegal contact is also dumb because they obsess about everything to make it easier to pass but never on how to make it easier to run, then they wonder why no one cares about running backs.
Zebras have some money on the Brownies today?Man, that pass interference ball was closer to being caught by a fan than any Brown
Zebras have some money on the Brownies today?After 20+ years of having these calls go against the Browns, it is nice to finally see one go in their favor. Another 250 calls and we might be even
Wow, Lamar just made the entire Lions front look silly. I think every single one of them went to the RBhe does that to everyone. Lamar is the scariest offensive player in the game.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38227365/d-ii-star-tyson-bagent-making-push-bears-backup-qbTyson Bagent representing Martinsburg, WV and Shepherd University gets his first win as a NFL QB. This might be the first time a kid that played at a school I got a recruiting invite from has played in the NFL. Lol. Happy for him.
WV kid who went on to star at one of the state’s DII schools is making an impression as possible QB2 behind Justin Fields in Chicago. He set the all divisions record for TD passes in college at 159. The Bears picked him up as an UFA. Would love to see him make the roster.
His dad is likely a couple more wins away from. Getting a weekly spot on Pat McAfee's showI could see that actually.
Man, that pass interference ball was closer to being caught by a fan than any Brownhttps://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38738337/jim-irsay-says-nfl-admits-incorrect-calls-colts-loss
Rodgers'FIFYporn-stacheneeds to go. Dude looks like he's auditioning to be a cop in an 80's movie.
Imagine if Brad Holmes didn't have a weird fetish for skill position players in the 1st round. He is A+++ everywhere else, even with seemingly blowing two picks on Jamo and GibbsI wouldn't write off Jamo yet. I still think he's going to wind up being big-time. Gibbs will always be a bad pick. Especially when they could've just stayed put and taken Jalen Carter.
Davante Adams has to be frustrated as hell he went from Aaron Rodgers to Jimmy Garoppolo....I mean he voluntarily left Rodgers to go play for Carr because the check cleared
I mean he voluntarily left Rodgers to go play for Carr because the check clearedtrue. he was BFF's with Carr from their days in HS & college together I believe, so that played a part as well as the big fat check. But he played with Carr for like 5 minutes and now he's stuck with awful QBs on a crap team. Sometimes the grass ain't always greener...
Gibbs looks good tonight, but I still hate the pick. You could have had Jalen Carter and just kept Swift. Then let Swift walk this year, and take Donovan Edwards at #24 or whatever
At one point the yardage was 368-105, and Vegas had competed 5 passes, yet the score was 16-14pick 6's and turnovers will do that.
Chase Young getting traded to the 49ersBoss on one side- Young on the other 😳
Chase Young getting traded to the 49ersHoly Shyt according to the NY Post a conditional 3rd round pick,crap the Browns should have ponied up, him - and Miles on the same line,I could get use to that
Boss on one side- Young on the other 😳Young is super talented. Redskins declined his 5th year option and were all-out on him however for some reason. He'll definitely have a shot to resurrect his floundering career with the 49ers on a loaded defense however.
Holy Shyt according to the NY Post a conditional 3rd round pick,crap the Browns should have ponied up, him - and Miles on the same line,I could get use to thatsaid it yesterday the Lions should've given up a 2nd or 3rd for him. he hasn't been what he should be, but his talent and upside are way high and worth the risks.
Chase Young getting traded to the 49ersthat's a good move on the cheap for a player with some big-time upside if he puts it all together and stays healthy.
I don't understand the NFL.A few things IMHO...
It seems like you should just acquire the best players 2-3 years after they're drafted. Even the productive ones can be had for a mid-late round pick.
What am I missing?
I'm old enough to remember when MSU swooped in with an offer when WSU and Cal were his only P5 offers. He was a presumed MSU lean until his Elite 11 performance, and we knew bigger fish were coming.And when Day went out there to look at him- which was before the Elite 11- a bunch of people told him to check out this scrawny 3 star WR named Olave.
He's one of those guys that a generation ago, who winds up at WSU or Cal.
Ravens look like comfortably the best team in the NFL right nowI dunno they eaked out a win vs the Cardinals last week thought I might get bumped from my survivor pool
Kid gets his first career sack, a strip sack, and they call it roughing. What??One poster - "I must have missed the rule change to prohibits tackling"
A few things IMHO...Okay, just normal end-of-contract dumps.
- These aren't always the "best players". They're the best players that the team shopping them isn't willing to invest in a longer term contract. Because if they're REALLY good, the team that drafted them is signing them beyond the rookie deal. (Except for RBs of course.)
- There aren't that many of these guys moved each year, despite all the news at the trade deadline. So you can't make a strategy of building a team around these types of players. It's more of trying to find the right piece when you're a contender to get you over the hump.
- You're getting players that are typically in the 3rd or 4th year of their 4-year rookie deal. So if you give up picks to get them, and you're NOT willing to pay them at the end of their deal, you're bleeding picks that you might need to replace them when they leave. If you give up picks to get them, and you ARE willing to pay them at the end of their deal, you end up with a lot of pricy assets and then can start running into salary cap problems and having to scrimp elsewhere on the roster to pay these players.
Roster / contract / salary cap management in the NFL is the thing that makes it a lot more complex than doing what you're suggesting.
I'm glad that the NFL is being more aggressive with intentional grounding, simply because I hate the fact that they ever added the inside the pocket qualifier to it. Apply it to college too. I hope college never adds illegal contact, and I wish both would get rid of the in the pocket qualifier for intentional groundingPlus one. I don't understand why that call is the one where they all always huddle and talk about it for five minutes before calling it, when it is usually pretty obvious. Last night's game still didn't make any sense. They called it on Josh Allen when his receiver cut off a route, but not when he threw the ball into the dirt while being wrapped up.
Holy hell CJ Stroud
Pete Fiutak posted this after Stroud's performance yesterday: "Everyone keeps asking "Is Kyle McCord good enough" when it comes to Ohio State and its national title chances. His biggest problem is he's not CJ Stroud. Apparently, there aren't many like him in the NFL, either."It’s a great point you make.
Then I saw this posted by an NFL account:
We have 6 Starting Rookie QB’s today:
Panthers Bryce Young vs. Colts
Texans CJ Stroud vs. Bucs
Raiders Aidan O’Connell vs. Giants
Bears Tyson Bagent vs. Saints
Cardinals Clayton Tune vs. Browns
Vikings Jaren Hall vs. Falcons
Which got me thinking - for all the impatience with McCord on other sites, he's likely be every bit the NFL player that most of that list of rookies is. Stroud aside of course.
Aidan O'Connell - unremarkable college QB at Purdue
Tyson Bagent - No-name Div II QB
Clayton Tune - unremarkable college QB at Houston
Jaren Hall - unremarkable college career at BYU
Will Levis - productive college QB at Kentucky (played Thursday, not included in list)
And Colts injured Rookie Richardson had an iffy career at Florida
Given this list, A LOT of QBs we watch every Saturday have a greater than expected chance to start in the NFL despite the "analysts" preaching their weaknesses leading up to the draft. Bo Nix, Michael Penix (injury history), Spencer Rattler, and JT Daniels (playing for Rice, his 4th different school) to name a few.
It’s all in the narrative.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/c-j-stroud-may-have-dealt-death-blow-to-nfl-s-trust-in-s2-cognition-test/ar-AA1jusEf?cvid=f0332ff77f61444ea7d867f174dc3424&ei=24yeah anyone with a set of eye ball should've been able to tell he was QB1 in that draft. his accuracy/ball placement were among the best ever in CFB. Plus he's 6'3" with NFL level arm strength.
Texans seem to have really found something in Stroud. I live about an hour out of Houston and I wonder how much success do the Texans need to have before all these "Dallas fans" jump on the Houston bandwagon.The great thing about being born and raised in Austin is that you get to be a Cowboys fan or an Oilers fan or a Texans fan or a Rangers fan or an Astros fan or a Rockets fan or a Spurs fan or a Mavericks fan, at your own whim.
Anyway, speaking of the 2023 NFL thread, Cowboys looking okay against those dastardly Giants so far. I'd like to see that trend continue.Yeah, but what do you expect. The Giants called me to see if I could play QB this weekend, but I said I had a golf game scheduled. So they got Danny DeVito.
All joking aside, the Giants don't look like an NFL team. They look like a college team forced to play against an NFL team.Agree. They were outgained 640-172. That’s unheard of in the NFL. I had the game on piddling around the house all afternoon. The Giants actually made the final numbers a little more respectable when Dallas pulled its starters in the 4th, but most of the game that looked like something Nebraska would have done to Northern Illinois in 1983.
I don't recall seeing a team this outclassed, and I've seen a lot of Saints games in my life.
Would the Chargers/Lions be described as "Twelving"? :57:Yes.
NEBRASKA 48Good Lord, that was an out my ass example but the final numbers are startling similar to that Giants game today.
N. ILLINOIS 17
Sep. 9, 1989 • 1:30 p.m. Central
Memorial Stadium • Lincoln, NE
Nebraska, which gained 557 yards and allowed 174, took a 17-7 lead after Gregg Barrios kicked a 28-yard field goal and Flowers ran 5 yards for a touchdown.
NEBRASKA 48ah harkening back thru the dim mists of antiquity
N. ILLINOIS 17
Sep. 9, 1989 • 1:30 p.m. Central
Memorial Stadium • Lincoln, NE
Nebraska, which gained 557 yards and allowed 174, took a 17-7 lead after Gregg Barrios kicked a 28-yard field goal and Flowers ran 5 yards for a touchdown.
Agree. They were outgained 640-172. That’s unheard of in the NFL. I had the game on piddling around the house all afternoon. The Giants actually made the final numbers a little more respectable when Dallas pulled its starters in the 4th, but most of the game that looked like something Nebraska would have done to Northern Illinois in 1983.
Looked like a big ten west gameNah, I swear I saw some completed forward passes. And in the end nobody was rewarded with a pig themed trophy
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-vs-broncos-halftime-score-only-seen-once-before-in-nfl-history-in-a-game-between-the-same-two-teams/Sounds like the NFL bought that first one
The Buffalo Bills (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/BUF/buffalo-bills/) and Denver Broncos (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/DEN/denver-broncos/) are responsible for the only 15-8 halftime scores in NFL (https://cbssports.com/nfl/) history. The second occurrence took place on Monday night, 62 years after the first one.
If that wasn't ironic enough, the Broncos were the team that led at halftime of both games. And if that wasn't ironic enough, the Bills scored on a two-point conversion after their first touchdown in both contests, according to EliasSports (h/t ESPN (https://x.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1724261549777338847?s=20)).
The first game, played in Week 1 of the 1961 season, ended with the Broncos recording a 22-10 win. The star of that game was Broncos perennial Pro Bowl safety Goose Gonsoulin, who picked off two passes.
Sounds like the NFL bought that first oneYa lost me - why? Because it was AFL?
Ya lost me - why? Because it was AFL?Yeah, they bought the AFLs history
12th man flag? Pro football?Tons of football teams, both pro and college, have used the "12th man" phrase, going back decades upon decades. That one school would take it upon themselves to consider it a trademark, is pretty silly, but that's the world we live in.
My apologies if there are any Bengals fans here. That was my fault. I knew what would happen if I watched that game, and sure enough, I jinxed it for another one of our guys. I guess I should be happy it was only Burrow and the other 3 players made it out unscathed.Not a Bengals fan, but Burrow was my QB in one fantasy league. So...
Tons of football teams, both pro and college, have used the "12th man" phrase, going back decades upon decades. That one school would take it upon themselves to consider it a trademark, is pretty silly, but that's the world we live in.I know about that, hawks and ags, I was referring to a 12 men on the field penalty costing an NFL team a W.
Goff and Hutchinson have been actively bad for the first time this year. And somehow Fields is having the give of his professional life.What the hell happened? I left for my gate and they were down by 12 with 3:30 left, and then they won by 5?
First time I have truly felt the Lions took a BAD loss since the Matt Flynn game.
Kelce is getting paid enuff to not fumbleHe's also largely worth it. But their whole offense is built on the QB and TE being perfect. TEs take a beating and you can tell he's not the player he was even 2 years ago, and he was never an elite blocker.
not the same as cheap WRs droppin the ball
The Chiefs are what happens once you have to pay your QB, even though he's worth it. Kelce fumbles close to a sealing TD, and then his WRs with drop after drop after drop
The myth of Jalen Hurts continues to grow. I have never seen such a mid QB get handed more favorable situations and gifts throughout their career so their college and professional record far outpace what their actual play is worth.“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” Teddy Roosevelt
What has happened to me?you've no reason to watch tonight's game
Justin Fields sucks. He's RG3 without a backup planKind of a lazy take. In his last 2 games since returning from injury, he has totally outplayed the opposition QB, and that’s with a horrible offensive line.
Kind of a lazy take. In his last 2 games since returning from injury, he has totally outplayed the opposition QB, and that’s with a horrible offensive line.I always hate that take BTW. Also the related one where the media turns a matchup into a QB vs QB battle.
you've no reason to watch tonight's game
JJ isn't playin vs Da Bears
I always hate that take BTW. Also the related one where the media turns a matchup into a QB vs QB battle.Well then I will say it another way. Against the Lions he completely outplayed the defense and led the Bears to a large lead with five minutes left, Before the Bears defense completely caved
The opposition QB has no bearing on a QB's performance. He has to outplay the defense across the LOS from him, not the QB who he's never on the field with lined up against.
Well then I will say it another way. Against the Lions he completely outplayed the defense and led the Bears to a large lead with five minutes left, Before the Bears defense completely cavedFair. And I wasn't using my own pet peeve on "takes" to make any comment on Fields... I truly haven't watched him enough to have much of an opinion on him either way.
last night, with the game on the line, and Minnesota blitzing like crazy, he drove his team down field for the winning field goal with a minute left in the game and zero timeouts.
last night, with the game on the line, and Minnesota blitzing like crazy, he drove his team down field for the winning field goal with a minute left in the game and zero timeouts.um, on that final drive, Minnesooota didn't blitz
um, on that final drive, Minnesooota didn't blitzTrue. As the beginning of the drive, he wasn’t blitzing and flFields was mostly beating them with his feet. The closer they got two scoring range, the more Minnesota blitzed including all out blitz on the long pass, play down the middle, which actually set up field goal
Defensive Coordinator Brian Flores took immediate heat and is probably still taking it this afternoon
on the long pass, play down the middle, which actually set up field goal, Vikings rushed 4Sounds like neither you nor Fields were blitzed
I'm pretty sure they rushed 5 on one play of that drive, the rest were 3 and 4 man rushes
I only had 2 beers last night
I don’t know how many Browns fans we have, but I hope this is the thing that finally takes the Haslams down.I get the disadvantages of being a small market MLB team, although in the post steroid era, I think a lot of owners use that as an outdated excuse. But it's insane to me how in a sport with a hard cap, where everyone makes enough money that the floor shouldn't matter, that there are franchises that still can't figure it out.
https://apnews.com/article/buffett-berkshire-hathaway-haslam-pilot-truck-stops-48d768eb679661ce806c52d81bf08140
I could be watching the 9ers, but I'm watching Nebrasketball(https://media.tenor.com/AdMlxs87UgYAAAAC/michael-jordan-get-some-help.gif)
it's a poor choice
Ugh. The Niners/Eagles game is going on right now. It's the game that everyone in the nation wants to see--including people in LA and Cleveland.You are missing one of the best fights I’ve ever seen. Also, the football game is decent as well
And I'm stuck watching the Browns and Rams.
I don’t know how many Browns fans we have, but I hope this is the thing that finally takes the Haslams down.He is a slimeball in a sea of puss.He deliberately short changed truckers of all people hard working stiffs by stealing their accumulated rewards points.You know for all of their honest patronage. When the ruse was discovered then he tried to throw his employees under the bus saying they planned the scheme w/o his knowledge.Then when they all lined up to to sing to the investigators then all of a sudden - crickets.I suspect they were all paid off handsomely to zip it. Not long after all of a sudden the BROWNS were owned by Jimmy and Dee Halsam. Just in case Jimmy found himself in the the Iron Bar Motel for a stretch
https://apnews.com/article/buffett-berkshire-hathaway-haslam-pilot-truck-stops-48d768eb679661ce806c52d81bf08140
Clearly what it means is Joe Burrow is overrated.I know yer kiddin' cause Joey B is fcking Awesome with a capital A.
I know yer kiddin' cause Joey B is fcking Awesome with a capital A.
I guess....I don't ever get to see him, and when I do, he doesn't do very well. Except for the playoff games a couple years ago when they went to the SuperBowl. Seemed like the defense really shined there, but he did his part as well. He was amazing in college, tho.Stroud is amazing. But he's got to do it for more than 1 year before he gets crowned imo. Needs to prove it multiple years. Think he will, obviously. But it's still so early.
I've seen you say he's the second best QB behind Mahomes. I dunno. We get all the Houston games here, and what little bit I watch of them, Stroud looks really, really good.
The Chiefs complaining about the refs has to be a bit. No way it's real.For real. No team or QB has gotten more favorable calls than the Chiefs/Mahomes since Brady left the Pats.
Watched Bears and Lions at Midway Airport yesterday - flight was delayed.https://twitter.com/dave_bfr/status/1733957735161450964?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1733957735161450964%7Ctwgr%5Eea939882e9de2eddf822198a9568f07976773a33%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.elevenwarriors.com%2Fforum%2Fother-sports%2F2023%2F12%2F143877%2Fjustin-fields
First time really watching the Bears in a while - a LONG while.
Fields is good. No need to draft a top QB.
The Bears get Carolina's first round pick. MHJr should be that pick.
Get him a left tackle and a Marvin Harrison Jr.
The Bears get Carolina's first round pick. MHJr should be that pick.I'd be curious to see what kind of extension he would agree to. If you can get him on a Goff-type contract, I'd do it. The issue is he's already Year 4 next year, so they've burned through all of his cheap years, and it's proven just how hard it is to win in this league once you have to pay your QB, if he's not a star.
Then get the top LT available with wherever the Bears end up in the draft.
My interest in watching the NFL is gaining as my interest in CFB wanes.
The Bears get Carolina's first round pick. MHJr should be that pick.I would be very surprised if the Bears don't trade Fields. I would imagine the prospect of paying anyone $40M/yr makes the McCaskeys sick.
Then get the top LT available with wherever the Bears end up in the draft.
My interest in watching the NFL is gaining as my interest in CFB wanes.
Cowboys play entirely different at home. Wonder if they could've tagged the Niners if that game happened in Arlington.
I've come to the conclusion Dallas' secondary kinda sucks unless they're getting interceptions. Worked for the Saints in '09, I guess.
Way too much confidence in a mediocre kickerLiterally 50% on clutch kicks in his career
Literally 50% on clutch kicks in his careerThere is a football god
The only thing tonight confirms is that the NFC consists of the San Francisco 49ers and 15 buckets of warm piss.I think the NFL has essentially been that for a while. That's the other side of parity, It tends to just be a lot of mediocrity. The teams who win close games, and get lucky with turnovers and injuries, are usually the teams that rise to the top
Rumor mill is Chargers interested in Jim Harbaugh?everyone with an opening in the NFL is going to be interested in Jim Harbaugh. What else is new? Same shit, different year. Wash, rinse, repeat.
ethically harvested onsite.Does Joe punch it out like Mongo in Blazing Saddles?
Melifonwu is the only guy on this defense playing worth shit.Amen. The defense is going to keep them from going anywhere.
The Hutchinson, Anzelone and Branch we had in September can feel free to return as they please
Melifonwu is the only guy on this defense playing worth shit.And he bails the defense out again. Division champs!
The Hutchinson, Anzelone and Branch we had in September can feel free to return as they please
Dallas-Miami was an enjoyable watch after a delicious Christmas Eve dinner.The prime time has also been a nice twist. Two guys who have won a gun fight, seeing who can win a knife fight.
[img width=274.381 height=309]https://i.imgur.com/7Fxd3DI.png[/img]For sure!
If I stated before the season the Browns would clinch a playoff berth before the Chiefs the men with the nets would be after me
[img width=500 height=308.993]https://i.imgur.com/7Fxd3DI.png[/img]All I know is I made my annual bets before the season that the Browns would win the conference and Super Bowl. Still waiting for those bets to payoff
If I stated before the season the Browns would clinch a playoff berth before the Chiefs the men with the nets would be after me
only gotta hit those once in a lifetimeI have the T-Shirt, "Just give me one before I die, Cleveland" I was 4yo when they last one won and I don't remember it
All I know is I made my annual bets before the season that the Browns would win the conference and Super Bowl. Still waiting for those bets to payoffA man can dream,right? When the Indians lost to the Cubs of all freakin' teams I was beginning to think the Town was cursed on old ancient burial ground or the abode of the damned. I consulted them all - Ouija Boards,tarot cards,bookies,peyote buttons,medicine men,bar tenders,seances,shamans,rot gut - I got nothing. But there is a bible verse "the lord chastises those he loves" or sum such so we have that going for us......I think 😜
It was pretty dumb. It was questionable enough to start with on Campbell's part, but once they got the penalty and still decided to go for two, it was suicide.Campbell is a river boat casino captain. He cost the Lions that game. How about just kicking the extra point lengthed FG on 4th and goal in the 1st QTR way earlier in the game when they could've cut the score from 7-3 to 7-6 by just taking the easy 3 pts.
I initially thought the Cowboys deserved to lose for throwing a long ball on 2nd down and stopping the clock and then for how they played defense against the two minute drill.
Then I saw Dan Campbell's brain patterns after the score and realized it was the Lions who deserved to lose.
Never understand that - Ryan Day vs PSU in the 1st half appealed to this tripe early.Got Devin Brown injured and and came away empty. In close contests vs evenly matched teams always take the easy pts early,no sense making things harder for your self later
In that vein, CeeDee Lamb could try not fumbling the ball through the endzone when they're about to score.the Detroit blitzing LB could actually try to tackle Dak in the endzone for a safety.
CJ Stroud to Nico Collins 79 yds TD.Don't like UM but always liked him.With Black and DPJ they had a hell of WR RoomSeeing how damn good Stroud is what makes me think Ryan Day ain't it.
Seeing how damn good Stroud is what makes me think Ryan Day ain't it.Well he spotted CJ who just threw another TD
Well he spotted CJ who just threw another TDYeah. Kind of a weird take by ELA.
Exactly. He's most likely never going to have a better QB, and he couldn't even reach a Big Ten title game with himYou can reach the Big Ten Championship with a defense and a serviceable offense.
Exactly. He's most likely never going to have a better QB, and he couldn't even reach a Big Ten title game with himAnd yet came within a missed FG of going to the NC after hanging, 41 points on the best defense in college football. And without their starting end, first, second and third string running backs, and with their best receiver out for the fourth quarter.
You can reach the Big Ten Championship with a defense and a serviceable offense.I mean if OSUs goal is to be MSUs ceiling, sure
Just ask Dantonio.
But you have to have a reliable defense.
I mean if OSUs goal is to be MSUs ceiling, sureI just don’t get the jab at the coach.
I mean if OSUs goal is to be MSUs ceiling, sureI'm sure Day would take Dantonio's record vs UMAA
I just don’t get the jab at the coach.How many of them played for helmet schools?
Who are the best 5 QBs in the NFL?
How many of them won CGs, NCs or made the playoffs while in college?
How many of them played for helmet schools?I don’t think so at all. They became very close to winning the conference this year, with a far less quarterback, but a good defense.
I think Day is a good coach. But seeing just how good Stroud is, for an offensive coach, if we saw his peak with Stroud, I just think we've seen his absolute ceiling. Just like I think we've seen Lincoln Riley's limitations
How many of them played for helmet schools?Interesting take,early on as HC he did some great things but the roster and coaches weren't staffed by him. The old saying - it's easy to be a saint when someone else set the stage for your miracles - seems to ring true.The further away from URBZ shadow has shined some light on his ability to meet all the requirements.Look no further from than Booger sure he got some outside help from Bro and solid staffing. Thats what is needed to recruit and coach,Day missed on portaling linemen when UM didn't. I like Knowles/Hartline but couldn't really tell you about the rest.Maybe the early success clouded Days judgement of himself,as his ability to manage the staff and roster as Tressel/Meyer did previously remains a big question mark.
I think Day is a good coach. But seeing just how good Stroud is, for an offensive coach, if we saw his peak with Stroud, I just think we've seen his absolute ceiling. Just like I think we've seen Lincoln Riley's limitations
Sam LaPorta's 1st quarter TD put him past Keith Jackson for the most catches in a season by a rookie TE in NFL historyAnd then gets carted off with a knee injury. Shit
Based on the limited highlights I've seen, and this may be a totally ignorant question, but why doesn't Justin Fields play RB?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K4daJ45LcFY
Based on the limited highlights I've seen, and this may be a totally ignorant question, but why doesn't Justin Fields play RB?because Justin would suck at RB
Man, I didn't see Dallas winning the NFC East just 2 or 3 weeks ago. Kind of a collapse by Philly there at the end.I have a friend who says SF broke Philly a few weeks ago. Took away their swagger. We’ll see.
KarmaYup. The worst fans in all of world sport deserved this collapse. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.
I feel like you've definitely lost your swagger when you get housed by the Giants.My next door neighbor is a Giants fan, born and raised in NYC. We were both out on our back patios watching our games, and all I could hear for the entire 3 hours of that game, was his hysterical cackling.
Yup. The worst fans in all of world sport deserved this collapse. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.hopefully a brutal loss in their 1st playoff game
you weren't old enuff to remember itHa!
just heard stories
Bills-Browns would be the mother of all Baggage Bowls.Well being in the same conference it wouldn't be a bowl it certainly would be fun to see some new blood in there .But the Browns aren't going far ,would not mind seeing a Browns SB before I check out preferably vs the Lions
Well being in the same conference it wouldn't be a bowl it certainly would be fun to see some new blood in there .But the Browns aren't going far ,would not mind seeing a Browns SB before I check out preferably vs the LionsIf there was ever going to be a year, 2024.. If only Chubb was healthy.. Personally i would take Flacco over Watson all day and I'm a little nervous about Stroud in round 1.
PLAYOFF PICKSThis would be painful.
CONFERENCE
- #2 Bills d. #5 Browns
one more champ game loss and they can join the Vikings and the BillsYeah but the Vikings and Bills have both been to the SuperBowl.
Lions have won exactly 1 playoff game in the Super Bowl era. Every other fan can STFUYou don't think Browns fans are at that level? They had their team stripped away to another city, had to watch that team go and win a Super Bowl in another city, then come back and suck horrifically for two decades. From 2003 to 2017, the Browns won 67 games.. compared to the Lions winning 91.. I'm by no means saying the Lions were good, but the Browns were the worst franchise the first 2 decades of the 2000's which includes having the worst record since 2000.
You don't think Browns fans are at that level? They had their team stripped away to another city, had to watch that team go and win a Super Bowl in another city, then come back and suck horrifically for two decades. From 2003 to 2017, the Browns won 67 games.. compared to the Lions winning 91.. I'm by no means saying the Lions were good, but the Browns were the worst franchise the first 2 decades of the 2000's which includes having the worst record since 2000.They are #2. But they have had success. Lions have literally won 1 playoff game in like 70 years
They are #2. But they have had success. Lions have literally won 1 playoff game in like 70 yearsin that timeline, sure, I'm with you. In the last 30 years, the Browns also have 1. This playoff will be the Lions 5th year making the playoffs this millennium and only the Browns 3rd. Now if you want to take the stance that it's actually worse to make it more and keep losing lol, I can certainly entertain that. Both teams have had 0-16 seasons.
let's call it a drawSo both teams come out without a win? Checks out
Definitely an argument for the worst two franchises. And sadly, that was the NFC team I rooted for as a kid because of Barry.. I'm a Cleveland sports guy, but I still always followed the Lions and the Red Wings.Heh, the Indians were my team growing up, because Kenny Lofton was my favorite player, and the Tigers sucked for the entire 90s. Plus my dad's primary client was located in Cleveland, so he frequently had business trips to Cleveland. My room growing up was mostly UM football and Indians baseball gear. Every time he went to Cleveland, I got some Indians souvenir.
This would be painful.Since their last Super Bowl, the Vikings have been in 6 NFC Championship Games and lost them all in 7th-circle-of-Hell losses that made one nauseous and question why they follow professional football.
The Browns have famously never been to the SuperBowl but they've been to, and lost three AFC Championship Games.
These memories are permanently imprinted on Cleveland fans' minds to the extent that two are known by simply two words each:
- The Drive
- The Fumble
Heh, the Indians were my team growing up, because Kenny Lofton was my favorite player, and the Tigers sucked for the entire 90s. Plus my dad's primary client was located in Cleveland, so he frequently had business trips to Cleveland. My room growing up was mostly UM football and Indians baseball gear. Every time he went to Cleveland, I got some Indians souvenir.wow.. that's awesome.. I bet our rooms were very similar. Although I had some Bo Jackson and David Robinson stuff hanging too.
wow.. that's awesome.. I bet our rooms were very similar. Although I had some Bo Jackson and David Robinson stuff hanging too.No shame there. Showed my oldest plenty of Bo Jackson YouTube highlights, and the other day he asked if anyone ever got a quadruple-double. I told him the story of listening to David Robinson's on the radio. The local sports station just became Westwood One syndicated at night, and they went to the Spurs broadcast for the whole 4th quarter.
lost them all in 7th-circle-of-Hell losses that made one nauseous and question why they follow professional football.you sure you're not a closet BROWNS Fan?
They are #2. But they have had success. Lions have literally won 1 playoff game in like 70 years
in that timeline, sure, I'm with you. In the last 30 years, the Browns also have 1. This playoff will be the Lions 5th year making the playoffs this millennium and only the Browns 3rd. Now if you want to take the stance that it's actually worse to make it more and keep losing lol, I can certainly entertain that. Both teams have had 0-16 seasons.I was curious so I googled some things:
Definitely an argument for the worst two franchises. And sadly, that was the NFC team I rooted for as a kid because of Barry.. I'm a Cleveland sports guy, but I still always followed the Lions and the Red Wings.
No shame there. Showed my oldest plenty of Bo Jackson YouTube highlights, and the other day he asked if anyone ever got a quadruple-double. I told him the story of listening to David Robinson's on the radio. The local sports station just became Westwood One syndicated at night, and they went to the Spurs broadcast for the whole 4th quarter.I was a diehard Cleveland sports fan, but there's just some athletes you can't ignore and just love. I also loved the personalities of Bo & David. I'm drawn to good humans. Also drawn to Barry and I hate to say this, but even as an M fan, Eddie George was a guy I was blown away by.
4 years since a playoff game in H-townYou mean how many more. :( I thought I've seen every way a team can possibly lose a game but the BROWNS continue to prove me wrong
how many years for Detroit and Cleveland?
WTF??? The next game is a Cock exclusive broadcast? A playoff game?!?!I'd pay six bucks to not watch golf
I guess I'll watch golf in Hawaii instead.
@ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55)I can't imagine the Lions doing much better of pushed to their #3 QB
Well, the Browns set the bar really really high for worst franchise even in the playoffs. I highly doubt your Lions can match this level of sucking. For Lions fans, I hope the opposite result.
It kind of sucks, but I imagine there will be no fully open new stadiums built in cold weather climates going forward. And I guess my grandkids will view playing in this weather like I view legal helmet to face tacklesThe new stadium in Buffalo is open to the elements.
Didn’t realize the game was on Peacock until it was time for KO. I have Peacock but didn’t know the password and my wife wasn’t home. When she finally answered my text about halftime she sent me what she thought was the right password (it wasn’t).So what did we learn from this?
Anyway, I didn’t get tune until the 3rd quarter. I loathe streaming.
Gotta work your memory like you do your short game - only take it seriouslyseriously workin on things annoys me
So what did we learn from this?Or just let a third party password manager (it's Lastpass for us) take care of it. You can have certain passwords that you "share" with someone, so for example our Hulu password is shared so she can see it on her Lastpass account.
Dont let your wife be in charge of passwords.
Thats mans work.
secondly you could have looked the password up on the computer it was stored on unless of course it was done on her phone in which case see above.
Or just let a third party password manager (it's Lastpass for us) take care of it. You can have certain passwords that you "share" with someone, so for example our Hulu password is shared so she can see it on her Lastpass account.chrome is the password manager I use no sharing here
Helps because I use a unique password for EVERY site, such that a hacker gaining control to one site can't compromise another.
No pass rush for Detroit, and no secondary Not often a path to success.Melifonwu has been our only defender the second half of the season, and he's been invisible. Not sure we missed anything with no CJ Johnson-Gardner all season. Second week back since his Week 2 injury, and he has frequently been the culprit in the secondary.
the most streamed event EVERNFL + Taylor Swift = Profit
the NFL owns ratings
Cowboys game was awesome!
Gotta say I’m really disappointed the Buffalo game wasn’t played in the blizzard. I understand why it wasn’t but I really wanted to see them slogging their way through the snow.I wasnt surprised the Boys lost but was at how they lost
the Squealers need to get something goingNo,No they don't
Cowboys should fire McCarthy. Would LOVE to see them hire Bill Belichik just to see how that relationship with Jerry Jones would be.I think the small dick billionaire energy between Jerry Jones, Dan Lauria and Arthur Blank is going to make Bill an even richer man
Cowboys should fire McCarthy. Would LOVE to see them hire Bill Belichik just to see how that relationship with Jerry Jones would be.this is why Bill won't take the job
Cowboys should fire McCarthy. Would LOVE to see them hire Bill Belichik just to see how that relationship with Jerry Jones would be.If Parcells couldn't work for Jerry very long and BB couldn't any longer work with Parcells I'm guessin'
Not according to the Dallas fan I married.Word. What a clunker. Can't say I'm surprised, of course.
(https://i.imgur.com/bmDoBLI.png)two white women I'd be totally OK with the Juice murdering to be honest with you....
https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/1748859116502573466?s=20😂😂😂😂
two white women I'd be totally OK with the Juice murdering to be honest with you....Who is that on the right? Damn that's just certifiable,maybe empty their bank accounts but carving up is a bit steep
Who is that on the right? Damn that's just certifiable,maybe empty their bank accounts but carving up is a bit steepobviously I was joking lol. But I do hate both of them...Taylor Swift and Patrick Mahomes' obnoxious redneck white trash wife.
If only one can survive, I'd take Mrs. Mahomes over Patrick's brotherwell, that's a given. his brother just happens to be the only more annoying insufferable person in the NFL world than his wife.
two white women I'd be totally OK with the Juice murdering to be honest with you....(https://media2.giphy.com/media/MQ4bWOjn8C9tT2dzIb/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952cav3n2rxh6xiqi1zb2piyu7kg393tfbji06n417r&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g)
obviously I was joking lol. But I do hate both of them...Taylor Swift and Patrick Mahomes' obnoxious redneck white trash wife.Why are you chest-deep in pop culture sewage? You don't know either of them. Just the public caricature some editors and executive producers put out there.
The Chargers also come with a roster that's $40M over the cap, a market that doesn't even know that they're a tenant at SoFi, and an ownership group that is too busy suing each other to care about on- field results.
NFL is all about the QB stupid. Which is why every coach looking to get an NFL job should be dying to get that Chargers job because it comes with Justin Herbert.
well, that's a given. his brother just happens to be the only more annoying insufferable person in the NFL world than his wife.I can think of another QB's wife that spent some time in Detroit and is now in LA that might give Mahomes a run for her money...
I can think of another QB's wife that spent some time in Detroit and is now in LA that might give Mahomes a run for her money...100%....Stafford's wife is way up there on the annoying and insufferable list.
The Chargers also come with a roster that's $40M over the cap, a market that doesn't even know that they're a tenant at SoFi, and an ownership group that is too busy suing each other to care about on- field results.All fair points- which I've mentioned the crappy ownership in a post before as to why Jeem might be wary of taking that job. But- to be fair- they have the single most important piece in place- and that's the franchise QB. Just can't win without one of those in the NFL. It's almost impossible these days. Extremely hard and rare to really win without the top tier QB on that level.
I'm entertainedI’m not. Lions could’ve pulled away. Instead they let Tampa hang around and Tampa has responded to every single blow.
I’m not. Lions could’ve pulled away. Instead they let Tampa hang around and Tampa has responded to every single blow.Bills/Lions win out it's for the Lake Erie League Championship,much more prestiious than the Lombardi :dance: Browns will be sitting this one out - shocker I know
Hate watching my teams in close games. I much prefer blow outs.
Taylor Swift wins againShe always does.
Taylor Swift wins againthe worlds last hope from a Taylor Swift Super Bowl remains with Boynton Beach, Florida's finest and soon to be 2x NFL MVP Lamar Jackson.
Wide right AGAIN.Bills are like cursed or something. They should've won that game. I think Josh Allen is SO overrated, I don't get all the hype on him. Yeah he's 6'5, 250 with a rocket arm and he can run, but he's a turnover machine who does a whole lotta DUMB sh*t and just can't seem to perform in the clutch when it really matters- see his record in the playoffs vs Mahomes.
Allen was not good on that final series leading up to the missed FG.
Baker played really well today. He earned a new contract, but you wonder what roster sacrifices they'll have to make to accommodate him no longer making essentially backup QB money.Baker always had the arm talent and guts to be an NFL starting QB, just went to the worst place possible: Cleveland. Tampa's core stars are starting to get long in the tooth and up there in age as well. Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Vita Vea, Lavonte David, and Shaq Barrett are no spring chickens- all pushing 30ish or over 30. Not exactly old, but the NFL is a young mans game.
That was probably the most consistent QB pressure the Lions have gotten all year, so have to keep that up. But the run defense was concerning. That had been their one strength, and TB was the worst rushing team in the league. They got some stuff done on the ground today, and next up is CMC
Taylor Swift wins again
After finishing up her recent tour, Swift is now a billionaire. Reportedly worth $1.1 billion now.Kelce better be careful. If he breaks up with her, she might write some lame ass song about him for her fans aka the teenage girl crowd and weirdo adults- then buy the Chiefs and cut him.
I hope with all that money now, she can afford to buy a sense of humor.
Kelce better be careful. If he breaks up with her, she might write some lame ass song about him for her fans aka the teenage girl crowd and weirdo adults- then buy the Chiefs and cut him.
Bills are like cursed or something. They should've won that game. I think Josh Allen is SO overrated, I don't get all the hype on him. Yeah he's 6'5, 250 with a rocket arm and he can run, but he's a turnover machine who does a whole lotta DUMB sh*t and just can't seem to perform in the clutch when it really matters- see his record in the playoffs vs Mahomes.Maybe not, but he had no turnovers in the playoffs, and hit receivers in the hands TWICE down the stretch on long bombs that would have flipped the script.
Maybe not, but he had no turnovers in the playoffs, and hit receivers in the hands TWICE down the stretch on long bombs that would have flipped the script.I don't get the whole Allen-Mahomes "rivalry".
I saw somewhere this morning that Josh Allen and the Bills' record is the exact same as Phillip Rivers' Chargers teams from the late aughts.
I don't get the whole Allen-Mahomes "rivalry".100%
The two best QBs in the league are playing in the AFC title game, and yet people keep sleeping on Lamar
I don't get the whole Allen-Mahomes "rivalry".I never like when they hype up a football game as a QB vs QB battle. "Watch as Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen face off in an epic duel!"
After finishing up her recent tour, Swift is now a billionaire. Reportedly worth $1.1 billion now.Sense of humor isn't what's made her the billion$, why change now?
I hope with all that money now, she can afford to buy a sense of humor.
D day today for the Lions. If they can win and just make it to the Super Bowl….wow.That's our house.
I’d imagine the entire country has to be rooting for Lamar in the AFC and Detroit in the NFC.
D day today for the Lions. If they can win and just make it to the Super Bowl….wow.The female aged 10-38 demographic is rooting for KC.
I’d imagine the entire country has to be rooting for Lamar in the AFC and Detroit in the NFC.
This Baltimore team doesn't seem like a terribly smart bunch. There have been nothing but stupid penalties in the second half.They lost their composure completely.
Clay Travis seems like an idiot.Clay Travis being stupid plus Sydney Sweeney = perfect tweet
Lions remembered they are the LionsGetting to a conference championship game?
That choke job made some of the Vikings collapses look tame by comparison.That really was a choke job, too. The potential INT that bounced off the guy’s face mask that Aiyuk caught. Then the fumble. Then the dropped pass on 3rd down that would have kept the drive alive. Then the terrific punt that should have been downed at the 1, but was carried into the EZ. Then a drive or two later Goff throws a great ball to Williams downfield that he never really reacted well to. Shoulda been a TD.
Maybe you could have sold me on the first 4th down attempt, but the 2nd one? Hell no.
That really was a choke job, too. The potential INT that bounced off the guy’s face mask that Aiyuk caught. Then the fumble. Then the dropped pass on 3rd down that would have kept the drive alive. Then the terrific punt that should have been downed at the 1, but was carried into the EZ. Then a drive or two later Goff throws a great ball to Williams downfield that he never really reacted well to. Shoulda been a TD.👍
And everything I just named was independent of Campbell’s two kick or go decisions. That’s a really tough loss.
Ok, so the second half decisions to go for it instead of kick it will be brought up. Whatcha think? I know what the analytics say, so I won’t kill him for the decisions. I’m not a slave to the analytics, though. I probably kick it both times but I understand Campbell got them here by going for it in those situations.Probably would have kicked the first time to go up by 3 possessions. The 2nd time probably felt like a field goal wasn't going to cut it, though getting some points might have helped the team's psyche
That really was a choke job, too. The potential INT that bounced off the guy’s face mask that Aiyuk caught. Then the fumble. Then the dropped pass on 3rd down that would have kept the drive alive. Then the terrific punt that should have been downed at the 1, but was carried into the EZ. Then a drive or two later Goff throws a great ball to Williams downfield that he never really reacted well to. Shoulda been a TD.Don't forget that play where they had ahold of Purdy for a sack and then he got out of it and threw for a first down.
And everything I just named was independent of Campbell’s two kick or go decisions. That’s a really tough loss.
You that was an epic choke job. still not over it. might’ve been the last shot the Lions will have to make it to a Super Bowl in my life time.Cowboys fans laugh at this assertion.
That team wins in spite of Dan Campbell. The guy is a river boat casino captain with CTE and just does really dumb stupid shit like he’s a 13 year old playing Madden.
That Lions roster has all the pieces in place. I’d fire Campbell and hire Bill Belichik with the caveat and understanding with Bill that he’s just the coach and not the GM. There’s not a better coach in the game than Belichik. At the same time there’s also not a worse GM.
You that was an epic choke job. still not over it. might’ve been the last shot the Lions will have to make it to a Super Bowl in my life time.Well the one time the receiver dropped it but I still would have went for 3 putting them back up 3 scores. Ya beginning to realize Browns/Indians prolly not going to get to the promised land before I go toes up. Specially with the owner that slappie Hasflem
Well the one time the receiver dropped it but I still would have went for 3 putting them back up 3 scores. Ya beginning to realize Browns/Indians prolly not going to get to the promised land before I go toes up. Specially with the owner the slappie HasflemWe missed our shot in 2016 with the Tribe. As long as the Haslems are owners, the football team is doomed. Even the devil wouldn't make a deal with them.
We missed our shot in 2016 with the Tribe. As long as the Haslems are owners, the football team is doomed. Even the devil wouldn't make a deal with them.Man, the whole 90s was their time, but they were all offense. The recent run seems to pull All Star pitchers out of the minors every year, but the offense is Ramirez, and a bunch of AAAA players.
Hmm.....Ravens pulled a Texas/Cowboys and forgot to show up. But man have the Chiefs looked different the last two weeks. Love 'em or hate 'em, they know how to turn it on when they have to.unfortunately have to agree.
49ers have such great players at multiple positions, but I can't escape the QB factor, Mahomes > Purdy. Guess I'm picking the Chiefs.
He's still so young.....suppose he wins again in a couple weeks to get his 3rd SB win....is it possible he could catch Brady's 7?agreed.
It seems like a poor bet from a historic and statistical standpoint. But then I watch him play, and I'm like, it seems like a bad bet not to bet on him doing it.
Woah, Ben Johnson informs Seattle and Washington that he's returning to Detroit. That's hugeHUGE news for the Lions. They need to lock up Goff and shore up the defense in the draft and F/A, and Campbell needs to cut back on his river boat gambling in championship games and they may just yet make a Super Bowl or two before it's all said and done.
I don't think every coach wants to be a head coach. The problem is you are sort of tied to your head coach, and if things go south, you could wind up fired. I kind of get the impression he doesn't want to be a HC, and Campbell might have the most job security of anyone in the league, so he has no reason to jump
BTW, I also want to give Andy Reid the same props. My perception is he isn't really getting as much praise as everyone focuses on Mahomes. Fair enough. But he has been a coach since 1999 - 25 years. In that time, he has 14 first place finishes in his division, and 19 playoff appearances, and five Super Bowl appearances. He should go down as one of the best head coaches of all time.there is no doubt about it. Andy Reid is one of the great coaches in NFL history, arguably the best offensive coach in the game ever- right up there with Bill Walsh imo. Probably better, as he took what Walsh created and just kept bringing it to the next level- decade after decade after decade.
I wouldn't give them that much creditI think the NFL has become WAY more of a meritocracy than it used to be. Now is it still a bunch of nepo babies getting their foot in the door? Absolutely. So it's not gone. But they will turn the page on you in a hurry. And we don't have Jim Moras just bouncing around because he has head coaching experience. It's almost the opposite, with teams looking for the next hot thing, and maybe overreaching to find it.
Interesting.Scary thing is, Minter is even better.
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I always figured stroud and fields were solid NFL guys but I've been wrong before.The real problem with the Bears whether they keep Fields or pick Williams or Maye is the head coach and the organization itself.
I'd keep fields and trade down if I could get the "reasonable """ extension
The real problem with the Bears whether they keep Fields or pick Williams or Maye is the head coach and the organization itself.Exactly. Da Bears have a long history of cycling quarterbacks with no actual results to show for it. It makes you think the problems lie elsewhere in the organization (i.e. the ownership / GM).
It’s just not a good situation and odds are stacked against whoever the QB is.
So, what do you do if you are the Bears?Trade Fields for whatever you can get. He's a passable quarterback, but it's not worth $50 million next year.
You have Justin Fields, who I think can be great. You also have the #1 overall pick in the draft, with a couple of intriguing QB's at the top.
What say you?
Trade Fields for whatever you can get. He's a passable quarterback, but it's not worth $50 million next year.:o HUH unfreekinbeleivable
QB isn't even a need in Chicago. The question is whether you would prefer to pay Fields and surround him with elite cheap talent, or move onto a cheap QB, and have more money to pay the surrounding talent.unless Fields would agree to take a really team friendly extension deal, there's really no reason to keep him imo. you trade him for whatever you can get then take Maye at #1 or trade down and take one of the other QBs.
It's a tough call.
Mahomie is a grinderand his brother is on grindr
unless Fields would agree to take a really team friendly extension deal, there's really no reason to keep him imo. you trade him for whatever you can get then take Maye at #1 or trade down and take one of the other QBs.I honestly think that the odds of Fields turning into lets say a top 8-12 QB is as good or arguably better than Williams/Maye doing the same. Maye didn't really light it up this year and looked quite meh the back half of the season.
Yep. And while I think Purdy is significantly better than his draft position, he's not a 1st round kind of talent. He's successful because he's well-positioned to execute a system with a bunch of talent around him.
A big piece to Stroud's success was that he had the most time in the league to throw the ball. A big reason why Goff played in the NFC championship was that he has an ace OL in front of him. You might want to try to do the same 1st.
He had nothing good to say about Caleb Williams. I believe the terms he used were "douchebag" and "crybaby".I'd forward that to the Browns but an actual douche bag jimmy hasbeen just might draft him out of admiration. This is the same guy that drafted 28 yr old Brandon Weedon & Johnny Football both in the 1st round.And backed up the Brinks Truck for Delshame Watson
as Jimmy Johnson use to say - ya but can he playor as Al Davis used to say - take him!
or as Al Davis used to say - take him!Al seemed to love combine results above all else...
speed killsso does crystal meth
Al seemed to love combine results above all else...Jamarcus Russell
I'm assuming when he went to Kansas City for 1993 and 1994?Mitchell's first year in Detroit was pretty bad. He had that one great season in Detroit his second year and it was all down hill from there.
Montana was 4th in the league in 1993 in ypa. But the Lions went and signed the guy who finished 3rd that season for 1994
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Kirk Cousins' agent is a first ballot HOFerhis contracts post his 4-year rookie deal with the Redskins have now been over $410 million, all guaranteed or franchise tags and only short term deals like 1 or 3 years. This 4-year deal is the longest one.
his contracts post his 4-year rookie deal with the Redskins have now been over $410 million, all guaranteed or franchise tags and only short term deals like 1 or 3 years. This 4-year deal is the longest one.He has been, what like the 8th-12th best QB for a decade now? And teams also know it. So nobody locks him up to a long term mega deal, but then he's always the best QB on the market. Plus Washington franchised him TWICE. Has any other QB ever been franchised even once? Usually that's reserved for positions where injury and wear risks are high.
That's an insane amount he'll clear and he's not one of the top tier QBs in the league. Don't know if I've EVER seen a player in the NFL maximize their earning potential like he has.
Mistake trading Fields IMO.Fields was only worth keeping in Chicago if he signed a very team friendly extension. Short of that, might as well trade him and get Caleb on a cheap rookie deal imo.
Wilson will do well with the Pittsburgh Badgers.
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Sean Payton did Russ no favors. I think he still has at. We'll find out with that OL and RB they have.Russ was cooked when he was in Seattle. The Seahawks GM needed to be GMOTY for taking the Broncos to the cleaners in that trade.
Russ was cooked when he was in Seattle. The Seahawks GM needed to be GMOTY for taking the Broncos to the cleaners in that trade.agree 100%, he was cooked in Seattle. Father times comes for every great player, nothing to be ashamed of. Seattle GM absolutely fleeced Broncos and Elway on that trade.
We'll see. I think he's got a good shot in Pittsburgh.pretty obvious that Da Bears are going all in on taking Caleb Williams #1 overall. They had no choice but to trade Fields at that point, and I think other NFL teams knew that which is why the trade market wasn't that good for him.
If not, well, they have Fields, who they got from the Bears in a true fleece job.
Or trade down and get more pix,haven't followed Da Bears but I'm guessin' they need help on the O-Line even after signing Curhan. With 2 no. 1s in the first 9 picks they can't have draft gaffe's like Jimmy Hasbeen. He has pissed away numerous fine draft positions with pathetic picks that would make Bellichick blushhonestly that would be the play, trade down from #1 overall and try to get another 1st rd pick. having 3 first round picks in one draft can change life for a franchise....if you nail those picks. It's the Bears though so even if they did pull that off and had 3 first round picks I'd expect them to draft 3 busts.
agree 100%, he was cooked in Seattle. Father times comes for every great player, nothing to be ashamed of. Seattle GM absolutely fleeced Broncos and Elway on that trade.Seattle also wasted a good chunk of his career trying to recreate the formula that won them a title. Winning with a run game and defense is tough. Winning with a run game and defense, once youve paid your QB starting QB money is both impossible and stupid. They finally got him Metcalf at the end
honestly if I'm the Bears GM I think I would take Marvin Harrison Jr at #1 and call it a day. He's the best player in the draft, a surefire All-Pro WR right out of the gate.Not once you gave away your QB
honestly if I'm the Bears GM I think I would take Marvin Harrison Jr at #1 and call it a day. He's the best player in the draft, a surefire All-Pro WR right out of the gate.That was my preference, until they gave away Fields for a tube of toothpaste.
That was my preference, until they gave away Fields for a tube of toothpaste.never heard of that.
That, and build an offensive line. Hard to be a great QB when you have no run game and are always running for your life.
Ever hear of Brock for Broglio?
The fact that he only was traded for a 7th next year said that no one who actually had decision making abilities was saying he was worth a 2nd and a 4th except the Bears GM.You are assuming the Bears GM is good at extracting value
You are assuming the Bears GM is good at extracting valueThe Bears' management isn't good at anything. It starts with ownership, and this clown:
Bills just giving Diggs to the TexansDiggs is a great player, but he's a complete asshole head case. Vikings gave up on him after 4-5 years, Bills gave up on him after the same. Probably a good move for both sides.
not as easy and cheap as the streetYa until one of the gangstas they ran in to come out plinking with his 15 round Beretta 9mm
no thinking required
Nico Collins really came into his own in his 3rd year and playing with Stroud jumpstarted his career and showcased his ability- and the rookie WR Tank Dell looks very promising. Throw Diggs into that mix- provided he doesn't become a locker room cancer- that passing attack is going to be a real problem for the entire NFL.Collins talent flying under the radar not sure what Diggs problem is/was with the Bills.
The Texans with Stroud are an ascending team for sure.