2023 NFL Thread

[MrNubbz]

Kid gets his first career sack, a strip sack, and they call it roughing.  What??

One poster - "I must have missed the rule change to prohibits tackling"

[OrangeAfroMan]

A few things IMHO...

• These aren't always the "best players". They're the best players that the team shopping them isn't willing to invest in a longer term contract. Because if they're REALLY good, the team that drafted them is signing them beyond the rookie deal. (Except for RBs of course.)
• There aren't that many of these guys moved each year, despite all the news at the trade deadline. So you can't make a strategy of building a team around these types of players. It's more of trying to find the right piece when you're a contender to get you over the hump.
• You're getting players that are typically in the 3rd or 4th year of their 4-year rookie deal. So if you give up picks to get them, and you're NOT willing to pay them at the end of their deal, you're bleeding picks that you might need to replace them when they leave. If you give up picks to get them, and you ARE willing to pay them at the end of their deal, you end up with a lot of pricy assets and then can start running into salary cap problems and having to scrimp elsewhere on the roster to pay these players.

Roster / contract / salary cap management in the NFL is the thing that makes it a lot more complex than doing what you're suggesting.

Okay, just normal end-of-contract dumps.

But back when the rookie contracts were out of control (since rectified, if I'm not mistaken), it wouldn't make sense to get all these guys (and more of them) by offering higher draft picks?  Acquiring proven 3rd-year guys and re-signing them to a similar contract going forward would make sense to me.  

Idk, I don't follow it.  Just thinking out loud.

[ELA]

If you are competing for a title in a narrow window, like with a quarterback who's about to get a massive pay raise, then yes, it makes sense.  But otherwise, you are basically talking about the fringes and the backups, and you are better off just putting mid round picks in there

[ELA]

I'm glad that the NFL is being more aggressive with intentional grounding, simply because I hate the fact that they ever added the inside the pocket qualifier to it. Apply it to college too.  I hope college never adds illegal contact, and I wish both would get rid of the in the pocket qualifier for intentional grounding

[MaximumSam]

I'm glad that the NFL is being more aggressive with intentional grounding, simply because I hate the fact that they ever added the inside the pocket qualifier to it. Apply it to college too.  I hope college never adds illegal contact, and I wish both would get rid of the in the pocket qualifier for intentional grounding

Plus one. I don't understand why that call is the one where they all always huddle and talk about it for five minutes before calling it, when it is usually pretty obvious. Last night's game still didn't make any sense. They called it on Josh Allen when his receiver cut off a route, but not when he threw the ball into the dirt while being wrapped up. 

[MrNubbz]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1721286894384775494

[MikeDeTiger]

Didn't watch most of the noon games we got here, but I caught the last moments of Dobbs leading the Vikings on a comeback drive in ATL, and then switched over and caught Stroud lead the Texans on a game winning drive, both with time running out. 

I hate to say this, but I almost enjoyed an NFL game for a minute there.  

[MrNubbz]

Not only that the BROWNS won in a route,might be the last time that happens in the forseeable future.They have now lost both of their starting O Tackles for the season

[CatsbyAZ]

Holy hell CJ Stroud

Pete Fiutak posted this after Stroud's performance yesterday: "Everyone keeps asking "Is Kyle McCord good enough" when it comes to Ohio State and its national title chances. His biggest problem is he's not CJ Stroud. Apparently, there aren't many like him in the NFL, either."

Then I saw this posted by an NFL account:
We have 6 Starting Rookie QB’s today:

Panthers Bryce Young vs. Colts
Texans CJ Stroud vs. Bucs
Raiders Aidan O’Connell vs. Giants
Bears Tyson Bagent vs. Saints
Cardinals Clayton Tune vs. Browns
Vikings Jaren Hall vs. Falcons

Which got me thinking - for all the impatience with McCord on other sites, he's likely be every bit the NFL player that most of that list of rookies is. Stroud aside of course.

Aidan O'Connell - unremarkable college QB at Purdue
Tyson Bagent - No-name Div II QB
Clayton Tune - unremarkable college QB at Houston
Jaren Hall - unremarkable college career at BYU
Will Levis - productive college QB at Kentucky (played Thursday, not included in list)
And Colts injured Rookie Richardson had an iffy career at Florida

Given this list, A LOT of QBs we watch every Saturday have a greater than expected chance to start in the NFL despite the "analysts" preaching their weaknesses leading up to the draft. Bo Nix, Michael Penix (injury history), Spencer Rattler, and JT Daniels (playing for Rice, his 4th different school) to name a few.

[Honestbuckeye]

Pete Fiutak posted this after Stroud's performance yesterday: "Everyone keeps asking "Is Kyle McCord good enough" when it comes to Ohio State and its national title chances. His biggest problem is he's not CJ Stroud. Apparently, there aren't many like him in the NFL, either."

Then I saw this posted by an NFL account:
We have 6 Starting Rookie QB’s today:

Panthers Bryce Young vs. Colts
Texans CJ Stroud vs. Bucs
Raiders Aidan O’Connell vs. Giants
Bears Tyson Bagent vs. Saints
Cardinals Clayton Tune vs. Browns
Vikings Jaren Hall vs. Falcons

Which got me thinking - for all the impatience with McCord on other sites, he's likely be every bit the NFL player that most of that list of rookies is. Stroud aside of course.

Aidan O'Connell - unremarkable college QB at Purdue
Tyson Bagent - No-name Div II QB
Clayton Tune - unremarkable college QB at Houston
Jaren Hall - unremarkable college career at BYU
Will Levis - productive college QB at Kentucky (played Thursday, not included in list)
And Colts injured Rookie Richardson had an iffy career at Florida

Given this list, A LOT of QBs we watch every Saturday have a greater than expected chance to start in the NFL despite the "analysts" preaching their weaknesses leading up to the draft. Bo Nix, Michael Penix (injury history), Spencer Rattler, and JT Daniels (playing for Rice, his 4th different school) to name a few.

It’s a great point you make.

Look at this:

McCord 167/257 2352 yards 17 TDS 4 interceptions

McCarthy 156/206 2134 yards 18 TDS 3 interceptions

One is a Heisman contender, is playing behind a veteran line, and has a a super easy schedule.
The other is treated like a bum, has played behind a very inexperienced line, and has played a tough schedule.

It’s all in the narrative.

[MikeDeTiger]

It’s all in the narrative.

It almost always is.

And Heisman hype is the most narrative-driven of all. 

But it's every award, really.  Heck, look at something as far down the ladder as Thorpe award.  In 2019, Delpit won it because.....well, because he was a known name on that year's trendy team, LSU.  Kid was injured for part of the year and didn't play, got thrown into the Ole Miss game still hurt where he got abused.  If the Thorpe were a career achievement award, sure....Delpit's first two years were amazing.  Far as the season went, he wasn't even the best DB on his own team, which was Derek Stingley.

...who was still only the second best CB in college, markedly behind Ohio State's Okudah, which is who should've won the Thorpe award.  

But LSU had Burrow and hype and because it's the way the world works, it translated into areas it shouldn't have.  I probably don't have to convince you Okudah was the best corner in the country.  But trust me when I tell you somehow Joe Burrow magically won Grant Delpit the Thorpe.  And the OL the Joe Moore award, lolz.  

[MarqHusker]

I'm in Boston early this week for work.  Thus I'm watching my first NFL of season at a bar. I learned the Jets last 6 quarters of football has seen 35 total punts.  Iowa has to be jealous. 

[Honestbuckeye]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/c-j-stroud-may-have-dealt-death-blow-to-nfl-s-trust-in-s2-cognition-test/ar-AA1jusEf?cvid=f0332ff77f61444ea7d867f174dc3424&ei=24

[Mdot21]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/c-j-stroud-may-have-dealt-death-blow-to-nfl-s-trust-in-s2-cognition-test/ar-AA1jusEf?cvid=f0332ff77f61444ea7d867f174dc3424&ei=24

yeah anyone with a set of eye ball should've been able to tell he was QB1 in that draft. his accuracy/ball placement were among the best ever in CFB. Plus he's 6'3" with NFL level arm strength. 

Bryce Young was an AWESOME college player, but how many 5'9" QB's have ever panned out in the NFL? Yeah, like none.