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Cincydawg

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4802 on: May 05, 2021, 12:20:00 PM »
They may be good first steps, I'm fine with a reasonable carbon tax.  I think 'we' should be realistic about what is achievable, even if Congress passed some, um, "plan".

I think closing down coal fired power plants has multiple benefits in terms of pollution and environmental spoilage.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4803 on: May 05, 2021, 12:25:35 PM »
I've posted this before about Paris, presuming every nation meets their targets (which frankly is very very unlikely of course).

How much of a difference will the Paris Agreement make? | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Assuming a climate system response to anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions that’s of median strength, the three scenarios reduce the SAT in 2100 between 0.6 and 1.1 C relative to the “no climate policy” case. But because the climate system takes many years to respond to emissions reductions, in 2050 the SAT falls by only about 0.1 C in all three cases. Meanwhile, the rise in SAT since preindustrial times exceeds 2 C in 2053, and in 2100, reaches between 2.7 and 3.6 C — far exceeding the 2 C goal.

“The Paris agreement is certainly a step in the right direction, but it is only a step,” said Monier. “It puts us on the right path to keep warming under 3 C, but even under the same level of commitment of the Paris agreement after 2030, our study indicates a 95 percent probability that the world will warm by more than 2 C by 2100.”

Planet has just 5% chance of reaching Paris climate goal, study says | Paris climate agreement | The Guardian

Most countries aren't hitting Paris climate goals, and everyone will pay the price (nationalgeographic.com)
Most countries aren't hitting Paris climate goals, and everyone will pay the price (nationalgeographic.com)


Why can't we stop blaming politics and other stuff and start facing hard reality?


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4804 on: May 05, 2021, 12:38:05 PM »
I personally would focus on coal, they are the dirtiest, and produce the most carbon per kwhr.  Get coal to zero or near zero, it would have broad benefits.  But coal is baseline power, that steady producer you need all the time, and the best thing to replace it is nuclear.  Wind and solar are intermittent, and batteries won't save that for a long time.  

So, then you supplement with NG peaker plants, turbines.  And perhaps with EVs in a decade or so we could show some modest progress at reducing normal pollution and some CO2.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4805 on: May 05, 2021, 12:40:49 PM »

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the three scenarios reduce the SAT in 2100 between 0.6 and 1.1 C relative to the “no climate policy” case.
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Why can't we stop blaming politics and other stuff and start facing hard reality
It feels as if you aren't reading your own links

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4806 on: May 05, 2021, 12:48:05 PM »
Reality. Need to face it.

COMMENTARY: China is building 184 coal plants – Guess what that will do to carbon emissions? - Mark Milke and Ven Venkatachalam - Energy News for the Canadian Oil & Gas Industry | EnergyNow.ca
COMMENTARY: China is building 184 coal plants – Guess what that will do to carbon emissions? - Mark Milke and Ven Venkatachalam - Energy News for the Canadian Oil & Gas Industry | EnergyNow.ca
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4807 on: May 05, 2021, 12:55:02 PM »
I read them carefully, and the say what I've been saying, very obviously.

But folks prefer to wave their hands and say "wind and solar" with no real plan, and no real chance of making a significant difference.

Meanwhile, the rise in SAT since preindustrial times exceeds 2 C in 2053, and in 2100, reaches between 2.7 and 3.6 C — far exceeding the 2 C goal.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4809 on: May 05, 2021, 03:18:30 PM »
If we had a policy that could have reduced COVID deaths by between 10 and 30 percent, that's roughly 300K to 1 million people. Not everything. Also not nothing.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4810 on: May 05, 2021, 03:22:22 PM »
The Paris goals are insufficient.  They also won't be met.  "We" probably should face up to that fact.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4811 on: May 06, 2021, 09:32:27 AM »
Let's imagine Congress appropriates a lot of money to combat climate change, and over time, reports come in that the country isn't really approaching the goal of a 50% reduction in CO2 generation by 2030.  We can see that for European countries now, so it's not something we might not expect, it's pretty obvious when you look at numbers.

So, by 2028 say, it's obvious we're going to miss, rather badly.  What then?  People will become frustrated and fatalistic, instead of being told obvious truths NOW and given reasonable expectations.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4812 on: May 06, 2021, 09:49:37 AM »
why do you guys just ignore my point that nothing the US does by itself will do nothing but just cost the US taxpayers money
nobody has ignored that,CD,847 and others have brought this up at least every other page.That was part of the gist of the video I left.China has done one thing decent that I'm aware of and that is trying to curb over population
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4813 on: May 06, 2021, 09:54:51 AM »
China and India account for over 35% of carbon emissions

Its clear to me they have absolutely no intention of reducing carbon emissions

If it is to be a successful global effort they will have to get on board
Presicely
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4814 on: May 06, 2021, 09:57:40 AM »
it's not going to be a successful effort even if all nations are on board
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #4815 on: May 06, 2021, 10:04:03 AM »
The Paris goals are insufficient.  They also won't be met.  "We" probably should face up to that fact.
So going full Amish or Native American is the only real workable solution?
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