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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3248 on: August 07, 2020, 11:31:21 PM »
As I tease my folks, when we have perfect mornings low 50s in early August,  somewhere out West they are cooking. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3249 on: August 13, 2020, 10:29:16 AM »
MidAmerican Energy Company's coal-fired power plants south of Sioux City have lost $27.5 million over the last five years, the Sierra Club said in a study released Wednesday.

Low energy prices in 2020 have only worsened the performance of MidAmerican's Port Neal plants, which the Sierra Club says are the most expensive in the utility's coal fleet in Iowa.

The Sierra Club report, based on analysis of MidAmerican’s data, shows that by committing to retire both plants by 2023, MidAmerican could save its customers $92 million, the environmental group said.

“Anyone who’s visited MidAmerican’s website has probably seen the wind turbines touted on the homepage. But all that new wind is an addition to, not a replacement of, dirty coal generation," Katie Rock, campaign representative for Sierra Club’s Beyond Coal Campaign in Iowa, said in a statement. "MidAmerican has not even considered whether retiring its existing coal plants could provide savings to customers. So we did the math for them. It would."


https://siouxcityjournal.com/news/local/sierra-club-midamerican-coal-fired-plants-near-sioux-city-lost-27-5m-in-last-5/article_995fd0c9-3373-52b9-a389-1e4c142a4a4c.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3250 on: August 13, 2020, 07:06:04 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 13, 2020, 10:29:16 AM
MidAmerican Energy Company's coal-fired power plants south of Sioux City have lost $27.5 million over the last five years, the Sierra Club said in a study released Wednesday.

Low energy prices in 2020 have only worsened the performance of MidAmerican's Port Neal plants, which the Sierra Club says are the most expensive in the utility's coal fleet in Iowa.

The Sierra Club report, based on analysis of MidAmerican’s data, shows that by committing to retire both plants by 2023, MidAmerican could save its customers $92 million, the environmental group said.

“Anyone who’s visited MidAmerican’s website has probably seen the wind turbines touted on the homepage. But all that new wind is an addition to, not a replacement of, dirty coal generation," Katie Rock, campaign representative for Sierra Club’s Beyond Coal Campaign in Iowa, said in a statement. "MidAmerican has not even considered whether retiring its existing coal plants could provide savings to customers. So we did the math for them. It would."


https://siouxcityjournal.com/news/local/sierra-club-midamerican-coal-fired-plants-near-sioux-city-lost-27-5m-in-last-5/article_995fd0c9-3373-52b9-a389-1e4c142a4a4c.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1
I wonder if there's some off-the-books money being exchanged between Big Coal and MidAmerican Energy.
From an environmental perspective, everybody would like to see a decrease (heading toward a halt) in coal-fired electrical generation.
But a lot of livelihoods depend on the coal industry.  It's easy to disregard those livelihoods, as folks in Appalachia don't have much support among the opinion-generators of our land.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3251 on: August 14, 2020, 06:57:51 AM »
Wyoming is the main coal state
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3252 on: August 14, 2020, 11:29:23 AM »
Cowboys need jobs and $$$ too
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3253 on: August 16, 2020, 08:59:43 AM »
https://www.thegwpf.com/green-no-more-china-set-for-massive-coal-expansion/

However, its coal and power industry groups are proposing further expansion to capacity of 1,200 to 1,400 gigawatts by 2035, according to the report. Should that be adopted, China alone would have more than triple the limit on worldwide coal power determined by the Paris climate agreement to keep global warming well below 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit), GEM said.

Worldwide coal-power capacity grew by almost 35 gigawatts from 2018 through June 2019 as an increase in China’s fleet offset a decline of 8.1 gigawatts in other countries.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3254 on: August 16, 2020, 09:03:12 AM »
Nuke China.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3255 on: August 16, 2020, 09:18:31 AM »
Well, while we here in the US "debate" what to do and throw money at the problem, China and India pay lip service.  What the US can really "DO" is minimal.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3256 on: August 16, 2020, 09:43:59 AM »
we (the government) more throw money at folks who probably have more than their share than at the issue

it's merely a reason to pass out $$$ to folks of influence

Warren Buffet can get by w/o more government $$$
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3257 on: August 16, 2020, 09:47:26 AM »
It seems to be a superiority thing, anyone who questions the program is an ignorant "denier", that's easier than discussing the topic obviously.

My step son in law cited Al Gore's movie when claiming CO2 levels were higher than they had ever been, when I meekly tried to correct that notion.

We're going to run the experiment, no matter who gets elected.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3258 on: August 16, 2020, 10:15:46 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 16, 2020, 09:47:26 AM
It seems to be a superiority thing, anyone who questions the program is an ignorant "denier", that's easier than discussing the topic obviously.

My step son in law cited Al Gore's movie when claiming CO2 levels were higher than they had ever been, when I meekly tried to correct that notion.

We're going to run the experiment, no matter who gets elected.
That's how it is today.

Meanwhile, probably 230 pages ago, I made a post about how if China are not board, nothing "we" do will make a difference. Those two countries combine to make up > 1/3 of the world population.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3259 on: August 16, 2020, 10:18:57 AM »


Most folk that deploy the term "science denier" are the same folks that believe that there are over three dozen genders. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3260 on: August 16, 2020, 10:24:42 AM »
I doubt most folks think that.  Maybe.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3261 on: August 16, 2020, 10:29:20 AM »
I didn't say that most folks think that, I said that most folk who deploy the term "science denier" think that. And while it was obviously couched in a little bit of hyperbole, the point is that they often think that there is more than two genders, and in many instances they believe that there are more than three genders, and sizable portion of the ones that believe that there are more than three genders believe that there are a LOT more than three genders, and their opinion on the matter is obviously not rooted in science. Unless of course you include junk science. 
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