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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3262 on: August 16, 2020, 10:33:35 AM »
no input needed from knuckle dragging mouth breathers

just fork over the money
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3263 on: August 16, 2020, 02:03:26 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 16, 2020, 10:29:20 AM
I didn't say that most folks think that, I said that most folk who deploy the term "science denier" think that. And while it was obviously couched in a little bit of hyperbole, the point is that they often think that there is more than two genders, and in many instances they believe that there are more than three genders, and sizable portion of the ones that believe that there are more than three genders believe that there are a LOT more than three genders, and their opinion on the matter is obviously not rooted in science. Unless of course you include junk science.
I read that some on-line entity (Google? Facebook? Snapchat? IDK) was ready to recognize differentiated pronouns for 51 genders.
That would put your measly 3 dozen genders in the shade.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3264 on: August 16, 2020, 04:25:52 PM »
I saw somewhere what the impact would be if the US and the EU met all their obligations under Paris.  The impact was well under measurable.  I read also what the impact would be if both entities went to zero carbon by 2030, and again the impact was not measurable.

I understand why China and India want their share of the total CO2 production over time, but it's not leading to any solution (not that there is a real solution).

The main issue I've noted many times, we have not practicable plan or means to do much of anything at all besides a tenth or so, maybe.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3265 on: August 16, 2020, 05:04:47 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 16, 2020, 04:25:52 PM
I saw somewhere what the impact would be if the US and the EU met all their obligations under Paris.  The impact was well under measurable.  I read also what the impact would be if both entities went to zero carbon by 2030, and again the impact was not measurable.

I understand why China and India want their share of the total CO2 production over time, but it's not leading to any solution (not that there is a real solution).

The main issue I've noted many times, we have not practicable plan or means to do much of anything at all besides a tenth or so, maybe.
Any chance those studies also included economic impact to EU and USA?  Because that's where the rubber meets the road.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3266 on: August 16, 2020, 05:15:47 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 16, 2020, 05:04:47 PM
Any chance those studies also included economic impact to EU and USA?  Because that's where the rubber meets the road.
They don't, because there is no plan, so we couldn't estimate the impact on spending and higher costs for energy of course.  But, it would be bad obviously, unless you just did some lip service (which is what happens).

Cost:benefit ratios.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3267 on: August 16, 2020, 05:37:30 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 16, 2020, 05:15:47 PM


Cost:benefit ratios.

How do they work???
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3268 on: August 17, 2020, 05:59:06 AM »
This is an ideal "cause" for government to throw money out there, probably to reward certain groups, in the expectation (not really) of doing something real.  Down the road, no one will notice of course reality, or the folks throwing money will be long out of office (or not).

Asking the hard pointed questions is not appreciated in part because no one has answers to them, it's just hand waving and "wind and solar" out the yin yang coupled with "you are a science denier" and "she is paid by Exxon".

I'm tired, Boss.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3269 on: August 17, 2020, 08:39:23 AM »
I've been called a denier, because I ask questions.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3270 on: August 17, 2020, 08:43:23 AM »
I feel the opposite - it's all well don't pay attention, it's no big deal, what can you do, don't even try.  There's no plan from the climate changing folks - it's all just stay the course and if we are screwed we are screwed light up another cigar.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3271 on: August 17, 2020, 08:48:14 AM »
Well, there is no plan.

Climate change is a problem. We all know this. How to change it is the question, and nobody seems to be able to come up with an answer.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3272 on: August 17, 2020, 08:53:50 AM »
This cost:benefit question is something we ALL ask ourselves, daily.  It's a core part of how we function.

So, I think it prudent to inquire when folks are talking about spending hundreds of billions of borrowed dollars.  (And yes, I ask it about our military spending as well.)

Otherwise, we're expected to just blindly sheep along saying "Well, we have to do something."

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3273 on: August 17, 2020, 08:54:53 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 17, 2020, 08:48:14 AM
Well, there is no plan.

Climate change is a problem. We all know this. How to change it is the question, and nobody seems to be able to come up with an answer.
This isn't true.  Koch Industries (and similar) has spent a tremendous amount of time and money to question whether it is a problem and prevent any action on it. Which makes sense - Koch industries makes a tremendous amount of money from fossil fuels and it would be dumb of them to support a plan which limits their own profit. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3274 on: August 17, 2020, 08:56:25 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 17, 2020, 08:53:50 AM
This cost:benefit question is something we ALL ask ourselves, daily.  It's a core part of how we function.

So, I think it prudent to inquire when folks are talking about spending hundreds of billions of borrowed dollars.  (And yes, I ask it about our military spending as well.)

Otherwise, we're expected to just blindly sheep along saying "Well, we have to do something."
We are doing something one way or another.  Status quo is often phrased as "not doing something" but it is still doing something.  What is the cost/benefit analysis of our current plan?
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3275 on: August 17, 2020, 08:58:21 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 17, 2020, 08:54:53 AM
This isn't true.  Koch Industries (and similar) has spent a tremendous amount of time and money to question whether it is a problem and prevent any action on it. Which makes sense - Koch industries makes a tremendous amount of money from fossil fuels and it would be dumb of them to support a plan which limits their own profit.
We're past this point, in this discussion.  To claim there is some plan is simply false.  If there is one, then cite it.

There is no "current plan" either.  And what little is being done is going to produce a result we cannot measure.
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