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We're past this point, in this discussion.  To claim there is some plan is simply false.  If there is one, then cite it.

There is no "current plan" either.  And what little is being done is going to produce a result we cannot measure.

I've already cited plans and it isn't difficult to find more. It's easy to conflate "there is no plan" with "we aren't following a plan" and that is what is happening here.

You have not cited plans, ever, at all, in this thread.

Period.

I've outlined what ANY plan should contained several times.  None of your alleged "plans" do any of that, they are just hand waving notions, PROCESS instead of RESULTS.

And I'm being generous calling them hand waving notions.

Well which is it? I've cited no plans? Or the plans I've cited don't meet your standards?

In any event any plan must really only do one thing. The amount of carbon in our atmosphere is going up, and we need it to start going down. All plans must start there.

Well which is it? I've cited no plans? Or the plans I've cited don't meet your standards?

In any event any plan must really only do one thing. The amount of carbon in our atmosphere is going up, and we need it to start going down. All plans must start there.

In Beijing? 

The core reason there is no plan is that it's not practicable to make enough impact on climate change with any realistic approach to generate a different that we can measure.  This is OBVIOUS and well documented.  Whatever we spend, whatever we DO, is not going to matter longer term in any measurable sense.

That is why no one talks about this, or wants to discuss it.  They focus on the sky is falling we have to DO something and don't want to confront the FACT that the horse is out of the barn.  We could spend huge amounts and the impact would be tiny, not measurable.

We need a realistic approach that deals with the actual problem.

Literally all of that is TRUE, you just don't like reading it, so you claim it's all false.  

This entire thread has been largely about how there is no plan and why there is no plan and that whatever expensive steps we take won't matter.  And I have backed it up with clear citations of sources that are NOT "deniers".

Unlike SOME here who claim there are many plans but can't cite anything.

I've yet to see anything even coming close to the idea that anything we do can't have any impact. It's a silly notion.

I clearly stated no MEASURABLE impact.  And I have cited analyses in support of that in this thread, unlike your "plans".

So it's hardly a silly notion, it's a simple uncomfortable truth.

Of course, if you prefer the process over the results, anything would be fine. 

I clearly stated no MEASURABLE impact.  And I have cited analyses in support of that in this thread, unlike your "plans".

So it's hardly a silly notion, it's a simple uncomfortable truth.

Of course, if you prefer the process over the results, anything would be fine.

Impact. Measurable Impact. It's silly. That notion violates basic laws of physics.