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« Reply #3052 on: July 14, 2020, 06:25:16 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 14, 2020, 05:26:34 PM
Every WW 2 fighter had strengths and weaknesses, even the Me 262.

The P51D probably had the fewest overall and of course incredible range for the time.  The F4U Corsair was a very good airplane as well.
Read some American pilot say the P-51 couldn't do quite what the Spitfire could do but it could do it over Berlin.Guessing he meant maneuverability
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« Reply #3053 on: July 14, 2020, 06:31:58 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on July 14, 2020, 06:18:06 PM
Well ya after him and Andrew Carnegie made their billions cutting the competitions throat.Then they tried out spending each other to heaven.Damn John D goes on to spend millions and a little bit in his home town of.....Cleveland
Well, he was born in Richford, NY, but his family eventually moved to Cleveland.  Close enough.
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« Reply #3054 on: July 14, 2020, 06:35:41 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on July 14, 2020, 06:22:13 PM
Damn looked it up and the P-51 weighed more than the P-47 - would not have believed that by the looks
Check again, MrNubbz.  Per the Font:

P-51D, max takeoff weight: 12,100 lb

P-47D-40, max takeoff weight: 17,500 lb
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« Reply #3055 on: July 14, 2020, 06:45:12 PM »
Just saw on a quick check the 47 was at 10,000 lbs and the 51 at 12,700 or sumsuch but didn't specify w or w/o tanks or ordinance
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« Reply #3056 on: July 14, 2020, 06:57:57 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 14, 2020, 06:23:53 PM
The US managed to design and build in numbers several very different very good fighter aircraft including the F-6 Hellcat and I think some F-8s made it to the Pacific.  The P47 was very creditable and large.  The P-38 was singular in design and performance, the Fork Tailed Devil.
A quick search does not reveal the time/place of the quote, but this is from an edition of Alistair Cooke's radio broadcasts known as "Letter from America":

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Goering assured his Fuhrer that the Americans 'can not build airplanes'. They're very good at refrigerators and razor blades.

IIRC, the P-47M was the fastest propeller-driven production airplane the U.S. has ever built.  473 mph.
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« Reply #3057 on: July 14, 2020, 06:59:02 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on July 14, 2020, 06:45:12 PM
Just saw on a quick check the 47 was at 10,000 lbs and the 51 at 12,700 or sumsuch but didn't specify w or w/o tanks or ordinance
10,000 lbs is "empty weight."  No fuel or ammo.
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« Reply #3058 on: July 14, 2020, 07:02:06 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on July 14, 2020, 06:25:16 PM
Read some American pilot say the P-51 couldn't do quite what the Spitfire could do but it could do it over Berlin.Guessing he meant maneuverability
Yep.
And the Spit could do it over northern France.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3059 on: July 14, 2020, 09:40:00 PM »
So, being as it is July 14 when the French did something or other, we went to the local French restaurant, which was pretty near full.  A table near us of 5 French ladies was conversing politely, we dined outside.  It was a bit buggy actually, but the food was quote good.

The history of the French Revolution is, interesting, and not exactly one of glorious glory.

Then they got taken over by a Corsican.
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« Reply #3060 on: July 14, 2020, 10:10:11 PM »
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« Reply #3061 on: July 14, 2020, 10:12:08 PM »
I got a great deal on a French assault rifle last time I was over, it had been never fired, dropped once.

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« Reply #3062 on: July 14, 2020, 11:22:55 PM »
That's just mean.
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« Reply #3063 on: July 14, 2020, 11:25:44 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 14, 2020, 09:40:00 PM
So, being as it is July 14 when the French did something or other, we went to the local French restaurant, which was pretty near full.  A table near us of 5 French ladies was conversing politely, we dined outside.  It was a bit buggy actually, but the food was quote good.

The history of the French Revolution is, interesting, and not exactly one of glorious glory.

Then they got taken over by a Corsican.
This is not my original idea--I have few of those.  Anyway, a theory of why the American and French Revolutions followed such different courses is that they are products of two very different varieties of the Englightenment.  The English version was anchored in common sense and the real world while the French version was based on anti-clericism, impossibly lofty ideals, and flights of fancy untethered to reality.  Also seen in the differences between English and French gardens.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3064 on: July 14, 2020, 11:27:22 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on July 14, 2020, 11:22:55 PM
That's just mean.
And old,French Men grabbing gams not guns
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3065 on: July 15, 2020, 07:33:39 AM »
The American Revolution was unusual/unique in being started and led by very educated wealthy people.  Usually, the wealthy don't start revolutions.

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