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Riffraft

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« Reply #3038 on: July 14, 2020, 04:54:46 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on July 14, 2020, 04:07:52 PM
Not to mention that the invention of kerosene--a petroleum distillate--saved the whales.

Or at least postponed their extinction until Norway, Japan, (Russia?) and native Alaskans get through with them.
Not just the invention, but the evil capitalist robber baron John D Rockefeller making it very cheap for the average American. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3039 on: July 14, 2020, 05:01:51 PM »
Jet fuel today is basically kerosene.

The ability to make high octane aviation gas provided a significant advantage of the US and Britain in WW 2.  The Germans, generally very adept at chemistry, had not mastered that.  Of course one of the octane enhancers was TEL, "lead", which was not a good idea.
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« Reply #3040 on: July 14, 2020, 05:10:35 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3041 on: July 14, 2020, 05:12:04 PM »
Quote from: Riffraft on July 14, 2020, 04:54:46 PM
Not just the invention, but the evil capitalist robber baron John D Rockefeller making it very cheap for the average American.
Yep.  The evil capitalist robber baron who was also the greatest philanthropist in history.
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« Reply #3042 on: July 14, 2020, 05:14:18 PM »
need more like him today
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3043 on: July 14, 2020, 05:18:17 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 14, 2020, 05:01:51 PM
Jet fuel today is basically kerosene.

The ability to make high octane aviation gas provided a significant advantage of the US and Britain in WW 2.  The Germans, generally very adept at chemistry, had not mastered that.  Of course one of the octane enhancers was TEL, "lead", which was not a good idea.
There's a YouTube channel called Greg's Airplanes that you might like.  He gets into excruciating detail about, for example, why the P-51D was better in these ways than the Bf 109K but not as good in these other ways.  Higher-octane gasoline was a player in that discussion.  The Germans had to compensate with water/methanol injection, but they only had a limited supply of that (5 minutes, maybe?) on board.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3044 on: July 14, 2020, 05:21:25 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on July 14, 2020, 05:12:04 PM
Yep.  The evil capitalist robber baron who was also the greatest philanthropist in history.
I was under the impression that the evil capitalist robber baron Andrew Carnegie gave away more, but that is from a faulty getting older memory.  
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3045 on: July 14, 2020, 05:26:34 PM »
Every WW 2 fighter had strengths and weaknesses, even the Me 262.

The P51D probably had the fewest overall and of course incredible range for the time.  The F4U Corsair was a very good airplane as well.
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« Reply #3046 on: July 14, 2020, 05:30:20 PM »
Quote from: Riffraft on July 14, 2020, 05:21:25 PM
I was under the impression that the evil capitalist robber baron Andrew Carnegie gave away more, but that is from a faulty getting older memory.
I'm thinking that evil capitalist robber baron Carnegie was #2.
Per the Font of All Wisdom and Knowledge, Carnegie gave away some $350 million.  Per Philanthropyroundtable.org, Rockefeller gave away $540 million.  All in dollars unadjusted for inflation.
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« Reply #3047 on: July 14, 2020, 05:38:45 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 14, 2020, 05:26:34 PM
Every WW 2 fighter had strengths and weaknesses, even the Me 262.

The P51D probably had the fewest overall and of course incredible range for the time.  The F4U Corsair was a very good airplane as well.
I love the Corsair.  It's my favorite carrier fighter ever.  But it could not have performed the missions that the P-51 did.  It didn't have the range or the high-altitude performance.  Few aircraft that fought in the Pacific were great at high altitude.  They didn't need to be, as the Japanese didn't have any fighters that could operate at high altitude until the last few months of the war.
Emotionally, I like the P-47 more than the P-51.  I've seen a video--maybe on Greg's Airplanes--that makes the argument that the P-47 could have had near-P-51 range for escort duties had the USAAF invested in drop tanks like they finally did when the P-51 became available.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3048 on: July 14, 2020, 06:08:57 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on July 14, 2020, 05:12:04 PM
Yep.  The evil capitalist robber baron who was also the greatest philanthropist in history.
Lots of those back then. JP Morgan, Carnegie, etc.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3049 on: July 14, 2020, 06:18:06 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on July 14, 2020, 05:12:04 PM
Yep.  The evil capitalist robber baron who was also the greatest philanthropist in history.
Well ya after him and Andrew Carnegie made their billions cutting the competitions throat.Then they tried out spending each other to heaven.Damn John D goes on to spend millions and a little bit in his home town of.....Cleveland
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« Reply #3050 on: July 14, 2020, 06:22:13 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on July 14, 2020, 05:38:45 PM
Emotionally, I like the P-47 more than the P-51.  I've seen a video--maybe on Greg's Airplanes--that makes the argument that the P-47 could have had near-P-51 range for escort duties had the USAAF invested in drop tanks like they finally did when the P-51 became available.
Damn looked it up and the P-51 weighed more than the P-47 - would not have believed that by the looks
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #3051 on: July 14, 2020, 06:23:53 PM »
The US managed to design and build in numbers several very different very good fighter aircraft including the F-6 Hellcat and I think some F-8s made it to the Pacific.  The P47 was very creditable and large.  The P-38 was singular in design and performance, the Fork Tailed Devil.

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