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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1484 on: July 02, 2019, 06:48:03 PM »
I'll take your word for it.

But again, I don't think he's talking about increased runoff.  I believe he's just talking about greater than normal rainfall and severe weather.  It's been bad for the past couple of months, really bad.

And I don't know about his part of the country, but it would take decades of excessive rainfall in my area, to raise the groundwater levels to the point where they'd impact flash flood storage capability.

Although lake levels in CenTex are up to "full" for the most part, the aquifers are still exceedingly dry.  We've severely overtaxed our water supply in Central Texas. One of the reasons I'll likely be moving once the kids graduate high school.  This area really can't tolerate the prolonged growth, it WILL run out of water.
In general, I was indeed referring to the 6 weeks of nearly daily rainfall, some of it quite heavy.  To the point that I believe we have already received our average annual rainfall.

But the lakes did fill, the dams had to release water at record rates, in some cases the water overflowed the dams, the rivers were swollen and overflowed their banks in many places, and in other places levees kept the low-lying land from flooding.  The levees along the Arkansas River just just west of the Tulsa city limits had been built in the '40s, and not updated or upgraded since.  There had been dire warnings that they would not hold if there were a long period of heavy rainfall.  In some cases, the water overflowed them, but, to about the 99 and 44/100ths% level, they did hold.

Here's a pic of a series of bridges southwest of downtown Tulsa (looking northeast).  From l. to r., the are the BNSC RR bridge, two bridges for I-244, the now inactive Cyrus Avery Rte 66 bridge, and the Southwest Blvd. bridge.  The Arkansas River is nearly twice its normal width, and probably 15 feet higher than normal.



50+ highway miles downstream, where the Neosho River (maybe 15 miles downstream of the Fort Gibson Dam) flows into the Arkansas near the small city of Fort Gibson, there was this.



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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1485 on: July 02, 2019, 08:23:48 PM »
Mother Nature wants her floodplain (natural storage) back.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1486 on: July 02, 2019, 08:54:38 PM »
Tesla breaks their Q4'18 record, reporting over 95K deliveries. I will say that I did not see that coming.

Next step is their quarterly earnings statement, due in about a month. If they can show good FCF and at least avoid a *big* loss (i.e. losing no more than $200M), it's bullish. If their ASP / product mix (and leasing) cuts hard into FCF or they generate big losses, it's bearish.

As they say in the soap opera world, To Be Continued...
I feel like Tesla is ping ponging on purpose (wham and lull; wham and lull). First they piqued public interest with strong PR and once they started the manufacturing it feels like it's been good then bad announcements in a long unbroken sequence. Maybe that's something that's happening to them, not intentional, but it feels more like they are in control and that discontinuous supply has somehow helped with their process and/or has a net positive effect on the market, investors, Wall Street, whatever (that these highs are higher than the lows are low ... and they don't have the option for all highs). I know this is inconsistent with their overoptimistic forecasts on bad quarters. One explanation would be that those rosy forecasts are lies and Tesla doesn't care that they won't come close.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1487 on: July 03, 2019, 06:03:12 AM »
For me, two factors more important than the various metrics suggest are wind speed in winter and humidity in summer.  I'd opine that windy and 25°F feels colder to me than calm and 5°F, and 80% RH at 85°F feels hotter than 25% at 95°F.  

I've been in LV when it was routinely around 115°F and that obviously is oven hot, or feels like it, no matter the low RH.  These "feels like" temperatures they report on the weather are not correct it seems to me.

Lately around here it has been nice in the shade, a nice breeze, low RH, but hot like 93°F, but quite hot in the sun (duh).  We were at the pool yesterday and the sun went behind a cloud (I guess the cloud moved in front of the sun) and it felt like a 20°F drop.

I don't understand folks who use sunscreen and then lie out to get tanned.  I don't get spending time lying out basking in UV radiation in general.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1488 on: July 03, 2019, 06:20:06 AM »
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=26252



If this is correct, the situation is beyond our control.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1489 on: July 03, 2019, 07:09:35 AM »
Didn't have Russia pegged as being a bigger violator.Just based on the amount of business China does with the U.S.,Evidently the Rooskies are modernizing - or building up
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1490 on: July 03, 2019, 07:15:29 AM »
So, if "we" could just get rid of the Middle East, China, and Russia "we" would be all good then?

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1491 on: July 03, 2019, 07:26:02 AM »
The carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere is rising at a steady rate.  What I don't buy is that humanity is the primary cause of that.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1492 on: July 03, 2019, 07:53:59 AM »
What do you think is a more likely cause of that?

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1493 on: July 03, 2019, 08:01:07 AM »
The carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere is rising at a steady rate.  What I don't buy is that humanity is the primary cause of that.
The evidence that burning fossil fuels is the primary cause of this is quite clear based on isotopic analysis of the CO2.  The amount produced by say volcanoes is comparatively so small as to be irrelevant.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1494 on: July 03, 2019, 11:29:40 AM »
I was getting there but planned to do it in parts:

Step 1:

What do you think is a more likely cause of that?

Step 2:

If you were studying this CO2 rise and hoped to make conclusions about the mystery cause, what kind of evidence do you think you'd look for?

Step 3:

What evidence would it take to dismiss or embrace the idea that this is caused by man?

Step 4:

In which ways do you consider the isotopic carbon record unconvincing?

Step 5:

Do you consider that record minorly or majorly unconvincing - why?

Step 6:

What next experiment can you imagine? As before, the goal should be to select one that could conceivably change your mind if the experiment were performed and the result were the opposite of what your hypothesis predicts.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1495 on: July 03, 2019, 02:30:26 PM »
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=26252



If this is correct, the situation is beyond our control.

I know I've said this before, but while the EIA is good at reporting historical data, it is quite bad at making projections, and I suspect their international ones are even worse..... Furthermore, this projection is at least 5 years old (it lists 2015 as a projected year, and 2012 is the only historical labeled year). As it is, their latest chart shows that they are now projecting slower growth in emissions with <40B MTs in 2040: https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.php?page=environment_outlook_for_emissions

China & India are making significant investment in renewables and have largely suspended investment in new coal plants, though they probably won't retire them nearly as fast as the US and other developed countries are. China & India are also electrifying their transportation sector much faster than most countries.

To be sure, nobody is projecting emissions to peak before 2050, even though that's probably what needs to happen. My point is just that emissions won't be increasing as fast as many projections considering past projections (especially from governmental agencies) have overestimated what emission levels would be today.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1496 on: July 03, 2019, 02:47:46 PM »
The carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere is rising at a steady rate.  What I don't buy is that humanity is the primary cause of that.
I used to think that but I'm convinced it all the fookin' trees getting cut along with industrial build up.Farms & forrests have practically disappeared in N.E.Ohio replaced by commercial/residential "Progress"
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #1497 on: July 03, 2019, 02:49:49 PM »
The evidence that burning fossil fuels is the primary cause of this is quite clear based on isotopic analysis of the CO2.  The amount produced by say volcanoes is comparatively so small as to be irrelevant. 
I've seen in print the exact opposite but you couldn't prove it either way by me - plant a tree
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