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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Honestbuckeye

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16044 on: October 21, 2021, 06:26:41 PM »
Y’know, your tone got me a little angsty. But, getting snappy back again is only gonna make a more angsty response, so I’ll roll that back.

I think I see where you’re coming from. I initially thought there was a little less surmising than there seems to be. Like polite adults, we can disagree on the interpretations, and frankly, I don’t know that I even disagree as much as I just don’t know and don’t particularly care to think too hard about it.
I apologize if it felt that way.  Not intentional. 

We may never know the full details. I just feel like Vaccine Mandates come with some negative side effects.  And I am not even disagreeing with them per se.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16045 on: October 21, 2021, 06:34:55 PM »
You raise a great point. It’s a tangent to the original conversation which was/ do vaccine mandates cause economic issues- but a great point.

but the CEO of Southwest disagrees with you.

https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2021/10/southwest-ceo-blames-biden-for-vaccine-mandate-says-employees-should-seek-medical-or-religious-exemption/
Thanks. I hadn't realized that there was an additional executive order that actually directly affected airlines. 

But it leaves a question...

If this is all related to the gov't mandate, why was it just Southwest that had this response? Pilots and unionized airline workers communicate across companies--it seems weird that this would be a purely Southwest Airlines thing.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16046 on: October 21, 2021, 06:47:46 PM »
Thanks. I hadn't realized that there was an additional executive order that actually directly affected airlines.

But it leaves a question...

If this is all related to the gov't mandate, why was it just Southwest that had this response? Pilots and unionized airline workers communicate across companies--it seems weird that this would be a purely Southwest Airlines thing.
Darn good question 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16047 on: October 21, 2021, 07:03:15 PM »
American Airlines blames weather for hundreds of cancellations, delays

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/transit/2021/10/14/american-airlines-blames-weather-for-hundreds-of-cancelations

FORT WORTH, Texas — As of Thursday morning, Fort Worth-based American Airlines had canceled or delayed hundreds of flights in the United States over a recent a 24-hour span, from Wednesday to Thursday.

What You Need To Know
On Wednesday, more than 250 American Airlines flights were canceled due to weather

Most of the cancellations and delays were on flights to and from DFW

The airline denies online claims that the cancellations and delays were caused by striking pilots who were upset over vaccine mandates

Southwest Airlines canceled hundreds of flights one week prior
Data from aviation tracker FlightAware showed 263 flights were canceled on Wednesday, or 8% of the airline’s total flights. An additional 689, comprising 23%, were delayed. Of those canceled on Wednesday, 221 were flying into or out of Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, the company’s main hub.

The cancellations tapered on Thursday, as only 83 planes were grounded, representing 2% of all of its flights.

All over social media, angry passengers vented their frustrations toward the airline. Many of those people were told the flight changes were due to weather. Storms hit North Texas on Tuesday and Wednesday. An airline spokesperson said the delays were caused by the recent storms and the ripple effect of recovering from the logistical rejiggering.

Still, some people online have suggested their flights were canceled or delayed despite no trace of rain in their path, giving rise to various unfounded rumors.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16048 on: October 21, 2021, 07:07:57 PM »
Haven't seen one here since early July.
For how it juts out into the Caribbean/Atlantic, FL gets surprisingly few direct-hit hurricanes.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16049 on: October 21, 2021, 07:35:22 PM »
American Airlines blames weather for hundreds of cancellations, delays

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/transit/2021/10/14/american-airlines-blames-weather-for-hundreds-of-cancelations

FORT WORTH, Texas — As of Thursday morning, Fort Worth-based American Airlines had canceled or delayed hundreds of flights in the United States over a recent a 24-hour span, from Wednesday to Thursday.

What You Need To Know
On Wednesday, more than 250 American Airlines flights were canceled due to weather

Most of the cancellations and delays were on flights to and from DFW

The airline denies online claims that the cancellations and delays were caused by striking pilots who were upset over vaccine mandates

Southwest Airlines canceled hundreds of flights one week prior
Data from aviation tracker FlightAware showed 263 flights were canceled on Wednesday, or 8% of the airline’s total flights. An additional 689, comprising 23%, were delayed. Of those canceled on Wednesday, 221 were flying into or out of Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, the company’s main hub.

The cancellations tapered on Thursday, as only 83 planes were grounded, representing 2% of all of its flights.

All over social media, angry passengers vented their frustrations toward the airline. Many of those people were told the flight changes were due to weather. Storms hit North Texas on Tuesday and Wednesday. An airline spokesperson said the delays were caused by the recent storms and the ripple effect of recovering from the logistical rejiggering.

Still, some people online have suggested their flights were canceled or delayed despite no trace of rain in their path, giving rise to various unfounded rumors.

Well that's also quite interesting and supports @Honestbuckeye 's implications here.

The only caveat I'd say is that people complaining that flights were canceled or delayed despite not having rain in their path don't know how air travel works. Often you may be on a route that's completely unaffected by weather but if the plane you're supposed to fly on can't get to the airport you're departing from due to weather elsewhere, then you're not getting to your destination on that plane. That may result in reroutes where you're delayed, or it might result in cancellations, but it's gonna cause a problem. 

Something to watch going forward. If this continues happening all over the place it might suggest that it's due to backlash over a vaccine mandate.

I can say that I know from a personal level that my brother (United pilot) is LIVID over this vaccine mandate. I haven't talked to him in weeks and I don't know how far he's willing to go. He just made Captain so he may not be willing to throw his career away over this vaccine mandate, but he's vehemently against it. I can absolutely see him being the type who would participate in a "sick out" over this.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16050 on: October 21, 2021, 07:46:03 PM »
I have no idea what the weather was in Dallas so hard to tell on this one. 

Does make your curious though. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16051 on: October 21, 2021, 07:56:21 PM »
I have no idea what the weather was in Dallas so hard to tell on this one.

Does make your curious though.
Supposedly there were storms in North Texas...

I don't know about DFW, but I can tell you that a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can cause 500 flights delayed at O'Hare, but that might be a statement on O'Hare more than anything ;-) 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16052 on: October 21, 2021, 08:48:34 PM »
😂😂😂😂
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16053 on: October 21, 2021, 09:42:57 PM »
Supposedly there were storms in North Texas...

I don't know about DFW, but I can tell you that a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can cause 500 flights delayed at O'Hare, but that might be a statement on O'Hare more than anything ;-)

Unless it's a fire that burns that place to the ground, don't want to know about it. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16054 on: October 21, 2021, 11:47:57 PM »
Yer gonna have to show your work on this one.  Link to credible source, please.


To quote @Mdot21 who you’re responding to: “data being released by UK gov't showing that over 70% of all COVID deaths in that country are from the fully vaccinated.”


make of this what you will but I came across the below info right after I read the above UK comment:


https://twitter.com/pretty7159/status/1450100085338132485

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16055 on: October 22, 2021, 09:55:29 AM »
We have credible data.

We do not have a clear message.


as utee says, this data may be credible
but there may be a lot more to it if digging in the details

"sequenced and genotyped delta cases"

I hope so
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16056 on: October 22, 2021, 10:13:14 AM »

To quote @Mdot21 who you’re responding to: “data being released by UK gov't showing that over 70% of all COVID deaths in that country are from the fully vaccinated.”


make of this what you will but I came across the below info right after I read the above UK comment:


https://twitter.com/pretty7159/status/1450100085338132485

again this is very misleading

data required to tell the actual story

how many have been fully vaccinated
of those how many got covid
of those how many died

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/572011-05-percent-of-covid-19-fatalities-in-uk-this-year-were-breakthrough-deaths
« Last Edit: October 22, 2021, 10:20:51 AM by longhorn320 »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #16057 on: October 22, 2021, 10:23:20 AM »
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/13/fully-vaccinated-people-account-for-12-of-englands-covid-19-deaths

Fully vaccinated people account for 1.2% of England’s Covid-19 deaths

ONS figures show 51,281 Covid deaths between January and July, with 458 dying at least 21 days after second dose

 

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