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And then of course there's this:



The most vulnerable people (the elderly) are vaccinated at EXTREMELY high rates--much higher than even here in the US.

That will always lead to a situation where on raw numbers the death between vaxxed and unvaxxed will look much higher than the actual risk indicates, because there are ~8-9 times more vaxxed in the most vulnerable populations. 

Ed Zachery why Hawkinole's 89 year old father is still wary

no sense joining statistics and being part of the credible data

I think that's fair... Some people (especially the elderly and immunocompromized) should be wary despite vaccination status. The elderly should be wary of COVID, and the flu, or a stiff breeze. 

But if the implication being made by someone using the data is that vaccines don't work at creating giant reductions in hospitalizations and deaths, well, that's just plain false.

Look at the cases and the deaths in the UK during the Delta surge:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

You can't even begin to say the vaccines aren't doing their job. 

To quote @Mdot21 who you’re responding to: “data being released by UK gov't showing that over 70% of all COVID deaths in that country are from the fully vaccinated.”


make of this what you will but I came across the below info right after I read the above UK comment:


https://twitter.com/pretty7159/status/1450100085338132485

That Twitter feed you're citing looks more like a misinformation shill than a legitimate source. Anything from there should be treated as false unless and until proven otherwise.

Agree. Vaccinations really took the starch out of the last two waves in Minnesota.

Sanford Health, the main hospital system in western MN and the eastern Dakotas, has been posting vaccination status of their COVID patients every Tuesday. Unsurprisingly, it's the unvaccinated who are filling up the hospital.

Agreed. 

But Minnesota is currently at 92.1% vaccination for people 65+. Perhaps not in Western MN, but statewide.

My expectation is that with 92.1% vaccination rate amongst that population, the percentage of vaccinated deaths as a proportion of total deaths will start to rise. 

People will then start using that as ammunition against the vaccine, when it's entirely what is expected and normal to happen. 

people will use any ammunition they can find to support their agenda

Of course. That's why different people can look at the same data and make different arguments about what it means.

The important thing to remember is that I'm right, and people who disagree with me are wrong. 

Of course. That's why different people can look at the same data and make different arguments about what it means.

The important thing to remember is that I'm right, and people who disagree with me are wrong.

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