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I understand completely. It's just overreach at this point.

A law?

I guess I missed the bill, and the subsequent voting in the two chambers.

Sounds like something more ethereal, more ignorable and less likely to actually harm businesses to me.

It’s not 100 percent clear in reading the statement where the $300 million is from, but that seems like a quarter-wide loss, which suggests a broader scale than just this. Not to say that this didn’t put a hefty dent in it. But it wasn’t responsible for that whole tamale, it appears.

You are tenacious I’ll give you that even in the face of facts he won’t give up your position.

https://apple.news/Ai7P8EAZ7Tg2GPbMiNYd2Ww

Never fear, despite their loss is stemming from issues specifically between October 8 and October 13, which they blamed on Florida weather and which impacted no other airlines including ones that fly much more out of Florida, they made a nice profit thanks to federal aid.

As a matter of policy hopefully you realize that the government can’t give them something unless they have taken that something away from someone else.

FFS HB. I have no great stock in this. I’m not rooting for the bailout or Southwest or whatever else.

By my reading, the $300 million loss isn’t 100 percent to employees who are not interested in medicine. I’ve yet to see any facts that disprove this. I’ve barely seen facts that explain it as a mass walkout, though that might be the case. Please share the facts. I want those facts. If I see those facts, I’ll roll back my skepticism.

But just telling me there’s the secret walkout and that’s the whole thing, I’m not totally gonna buy it. Is it a big factor? Sure. But it doesn’t seem like the whole $300 mil enchilada, pending some real live facts.

(If we’re gonna talk about articles, here’s the press release all these places wrote off of https://www.southwestairlinesinvestorrelations.com/news-and-events/news-releases/2021/10-21-2021-114520553)

And your saying “FFS” to me?  The irony is hysterical.

you took us down this silly rabbit hole and so I won’t waste anymore of your time or mine on this. 

this was a conversation about the potential economic effects of the vaccine mandate, and a theory of mine, obviously shared by some others, that the vaccine mandates have potentially as much or more negative impact on the economy and services.

You can believe whatever you want as I get the sense that’s how you operate anyway regardless of what is put in front of you to read.
I’m not the only one who posted things for you to read.

The CNBC article I just posted clearly indicates that $75 million was directly related to the flight cancellations which happened in abundance between October 8 and October 13. It also indicates that it had other impacts and that total losses were 300 million.

Southwest has publicly and flat out denied that it was related at all to the vaccine mandate so you have that on your side and if that’s what you want to believe that’s your privilege.

Numerous employees have gone public without revealing their names and said otherwise and the circumstantial evidence to support their claim is overwhelming.  No other airline had flight cancellations outside of the norm and that five day stretch that they had attributed to Florida weather.  They publicly changed their position on the vaccine mandates and suddenly and swiftly their flight cancellation problem went away.  and all of this happened just days before the vaccine mandate was to take effect. 

If you can’t surmise what is obvious, because it doesn’t fit some narrative- then cheers to you.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/10/19/southwest-airlines-scraps-plan-to-put-employees-seeking-vaccine-exemptions-on-unpaid-leave/?sh=4c73b83a699a

And your saying “FFS” to me?  The irony is hysterical.

you took us down this silly rabbit hole and so I won’t waste anymore of your time or mine on this. 

this was a conversation about the potential economic effects of the vaccine mandate, and a theory of mine, obviously shared by some others, that the vaccine mandates have potentially as much or more negative impact on the economy and services.

You can believe whatever you want as I get the sense that’s how you operate anyway regardless of what is put in front of you to read.
I’m not the only one who posted things for you to read.

The CNBC article I just posted clearly indicates that $75 million was directly related to the flight cancellations which happened in abundance between October 8 and October 13. It also indicates that it had other impacts and that total losses were 300 million.

Southwest has publicly and flat out denied that it was related at all to the vaccine mandate so you have that on your side and if that’s what you want to believe that’s your privilege.

Numerous employees have gone public without revealing their names and said otherwise and the circumstantial evidence to support their claim is overwhelming.  No other airline had flight cancellations outside of the norm and that five day stretch that they had attributed to Florida weather.  They publicly changed their position on the vaccine mandates and suddenly and swiftly their flight cancellation problem went away.  and all of this happened just days before the vaccine mandate was to take effect. 

If you can’t surmise what is obvious, because it doesn’t fit some narrative- then cheers to you.

I'm not going to delve into the specifics, because I basically don't know and don't care about the specifics. 

However, I think we should be VERY clear about what we're talking about here.

The Southwest vaccine mandate was not some heavy-handed government policy. It wasn't like policies like in California or Oregon where healthcare workers are REQUIRED to get the vaccine to continue work. It wasn't like LA County or San Francisco where government said that you can't go into public places (restaurants, bars, etc) unless you show proof of vax.

This was a company voluntarily enacting a mandate on their own workers. Their own workers got pissed about it, so they [allegedly] essentially went on strike. The company [allegedly] suffered for pissing off their own workers. 

So we should be very clear about the difference between voluntary company vaccine mandates and government enforced vaccine mandates. As far as I know, the Biden executive order asking OSHA to create a vaccine mandate has not actually changed any official OSHA policies and no mandate exists, so Southwest was acting on their own. 

I'm not going to delve into the specifics, because I basically don't know and don't care about the specifics.

However, I think we should be VERY clear about what we're talking about here.

The Southwest vaccine mandate was not some heavy-handed government policy. It wasn't like policies like in California or Oregon where healthcare workers are REQUIRED to get the vaccine to continue work. It wasn't like LA County or San Francisco where government said that you can't go into public places (restaurants, bars, etc) unless you show proof of vax.

This was a company voluntarily enacting a mandate on their own workers. Their own workers got pissed about it, so they [allegedly] essentially went on strike. The company [allegedly] suffered for pissing off their own workers.

So we should be very clear about the difference between voluntary company vaccine mandates and government enforced vaccine mandates. As far as I know, the Biden executive order asking OSHA to create a vaccine mandate has not actually changed any official OSHA policies and no mandate exists, so Southwest was acting on their own.

You raise a great point. It’s a tangent to the original conversation which was/ do vaccine mandates cause economic issues- but a great point. 

but the CEO of Southwest disagrees with you.

https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2021/10/southwest-ceo-blames-biden-for-vaccine-mandate-says-employees-should-seek-medical-or-religious-exemption/

And your saying “FFS” to me?  The irony is hysterical.

you took us down this silly rabbit hole and so I won’t waste anymore of your time or mine on this. 

this was a conversation about the potential economic effects of the vaccine mandate, and a theory of mine, obviously shared by some others, that the vaccine mandates have potentially as much or more negative impact on the economy and services.

You can believe whatever you want as I get the sense that’s how you operate anyway regardless of what is put in front of you to read.
I’m not the only one who posted things for you to read.

The CNBC article I just posted clearly indicates that $75 million was directly related to the flight cancellations which happened in abundance between October 8 and October 13. It also indicates that it had other impacts and that total losses were 300 million.

Southwest has publicly and flat out denied that it was related at all to the vaccine mandate so you have that on your side and if that’s what you want to believe that’s your privilege.

Numerous employees have gone public without revealing their names and said otherwise and the circumstantial evidence to support their claim is overwhelming.  No other airline had flight cancellations outside of the norm and that five day stretch that they had attributed to Florida weather.  They publicly changed their position on the vaccine mandates and suddenly and swiftly their flight cancellation problem went away.  and all of this happened just days before the vaccine mandate was to take effect. 

If you can’t surmise what is obvious, because it doesn’t fit some narrative- then cheers to you.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/10/19/southwest-airlines-scraps-plan-to-put-employees-seeking-vaccine-exemptions-on-unpaid-leave/?sh=4c73b83a699a

Y’know, your tone got me a little angsty. But, getting snappy back again is only gonna make a more angsty response, so I’ll roll that back.

I think I see where you’re coming from. I initially thought there was a little less surmising than there seems to be. Like polite adults, we can disagree on the interpretations, and frankly, I don’t know that I even disagree as much as I just don’t know and don’t particularly care to think too hard about it.