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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4018 on: May 19, 2020, 04:51:33 PM »


Per Cincy's discussion about how reopening doesn't necessarily mean businesses all actually open or that customers patronize them...

I don't know what is different in Oklahoma to make it such an outlier. 


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4019 on: May 19, 2020, 04:56:06 PM »
Well, OK does have a lot of reservations......

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I'll be here all week.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4020 on: May 19, 2020, 04:57:46 PM »
New reported cases and deaths are edging down.  The "experts" predicted a disaster by mid-May. 
Can you please stop this shit?

We all took measures to avoid disaster and it seems to have worked.  That's the whole point.  It's really hard to respect someone who shits on experts.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4021 on: May 19, 2020, 05:05:38 PM »
Can you please stop this shit?

We all took measures to avoid disaster and it seems to have worked.  That's the whole point.  It's really hard to respect someone who shits on experts. 
That's not what he's saying. He's saying the experts said that reopening would be a disaster, and reopening hasn't been a disaster. 

This isn't about the first point where we all locked down and avoided a disaster, because we can't go back and prove the counterfactual that if we hadn't closed everything would be fine. It's about the here and now, where states which are reopening aren't seeing some huge spike in cases and deaths, even though that was predicted.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4022 on: May 19, 2020, 05:16:21 PM »
Well, OK does have a lot of reservations......

:88:
I'll be here all week.
Only two.  Osage and Choctaw.

I can't account for the huge disparity.  Our caseload and mortality numbers are trending down.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4023 on: May 19, 2020, 05:20:17 PM »
Can you please stop this shit?

We all took measures to avoid disaster and it seems to have worked.  That's the whole point.  It's really hard to respect someone who shits on experts. 
I believe he's talking about Georgia's "reopening" that occurred about 3.5 weeks ago.

I don't know whether I saw any particular "experts" predicting disaster by mid-May as a result of that action, but I did see various articles with ominous warnings that Georgia was reopening too soon.  So far they seem to be holding steady.  I'd be looking for hospitalizations here, rather than increased cases, since testing still remains somewhat of a challenge.

Edit: Somehow missed bwar's post, so yeah, what he said.

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« Reply #4024 on: May 19, 2020, 05:20:23 PM »
Okay, if I misunderstood, that's fine.  


But still, honestly, these numbers like two weeks and 6 feet apart aren't hard-and-fast, precise measures.  Just because there hasn't been a spike exactly 14 days later doesn't mean anything yet.

Every place you go has stickers and tape and ropes every 6 feet.....when that's largely an arbitrary distance.  When a sneeze can send particles 40+ feet, we're standing around 6 feet apart like it's the next best thing to a hazmat suit.  

Cincy, I appreciate your optimism.  It's a good thing.  But I just don't want the general consensus to be that we're out of the woods when we're still surrounded by trees.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4025 on: May 19, 2020, 05:21:11 PM »
Only two.  Osage and Choctaw.

I can't account for the huge disparity.  Our caseload and mortality numbers are trending down.
Doesn't OK have lots of land classified as something other than 'normal' and 'reservation'?  I'd like to know more about that.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4026 on: May 19, 2020, 05:21:54 PM »
I'd be looking for hospitalizations here, rather than increased cases, since testing still remains somewhat of a challenge.

Wouldn't it be nice if testing wasn't such a challenge?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4027 on: May 19, 2020, 05:24:58 PM »
Can you please stop this shit?

We all took measures to avoid disaster and it seems to have worked.  That's the whole point.  It's really hard to respect someone who shits on experts. 
I am providing factual information, and no, I don't plan to stop.  Sorry if facts annoy you.

I also noted that when the governor flipped the switch, the state did not, and much has remained closed.  That is starting to change, and I would not be shocked if our numbers here get worse over time.

The "experts" calculated based on everything suddenly being open.  I noted at the time that was not happening.

And I would think these facts would be viewed as good news with that caveat above.

And, as an expert in some areas, I don't care whether you respect me or not, obviously.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4028 on: May 19, 2020, 05:39:01 PM »
Doesn't OK have lots of land classified as something other than 'normal' and 'reservation'?  I'd like to know more about that.
There's a lot of land owned by the various tribes.  And on that land, tribal law sometimes takes precedence over state law.  Card-carrying tribal members can buy tribal license plates.

I have no particular expertise in this area.  This might interest you.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Tribal_Statistical_Area
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4029 on: May 19, 2020, 05:47:33 PM »
I thought it was interesting how that bumbled Georgia chart came and went. It seems there's a certain sticking power for worry about over counting vs undercounting. 

Not saying it should cast high-end doubt about such numbers, but that in some moments, it might have. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4030 on: May 19, 2020, 06:15:13 PM »
Can you please stop this shit?

We all took measures to avoid disaster and it seems to have worked.  That's the whole point.  It's really hard to respect someone who shits on experts. 
Okay, if I misunderstood, that's fine. 


But still, honestly, these numbers like two weeks and 6 feet apart aren't hard-and-fast, precise measures.  Just because there hasn't been a spike exactly 14 days later doesn't mean anything yet.

Every place you go has stickers and tape and ropes every 6 feet.....when that's largely an arbitrary distance.  When a sneeze can send particles 40+ feet, we're standing around 6 feet apart like it's the next best thing to a hazmat suit. 

Cincy, I appreciate your optimism.  It's a good thing.  But I just don't want the general consensus to be that we're out of the woods when we're still surrounded by trees.

I'm confused by your statements.  The experts tell us to maintain social distance of 6 feet.  Should we or should we not listen to the experts?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/social-distancing.html




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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #4031 on: May 19, 2020, 06:16:30 PM »
When a source lists "experts" it would be nice to know a bit more about this term

is it a large group of "experts"  is it one or two folks?

what are their qualifications and/or experience as an expert?

mostly, what is their agenda or who is paying them for their expertise?

I suppose I could be considered an expert in the field of Budweiser 
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