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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #6888 on: August 19, 2026, 11:24:14 AM »
I'm a little amused by the tank nerd discussion about tank-on-tank warfare because that is a historical anomaly. Significant tank-on-tank battles have been rare. Outside of the handful of 75mm Sherman on Panzer engagements in France, the most common winner of the tank-on-tank battle is the one that had the first opportunity to aim its shot.
This is somewhat analogous to the battleship -v- battleship battles.  I think there were seven in WW 2, maybe 8, out of hundreds or thousands of other engagements.

The Bismark is the most famous, but that probably only happened because of biplanes.

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« Reply #6889 on: August 19, 2026, 11:57:28 AM »
This is somewhat analogous to the battleship -v- battleship battles.  I think there were seven in WW 2, maybe 8, out of hundreds or thousands of other engagements.

The Bismark is the most famous, but that probably only happened because of biplanes.
I think it is a little different in that Battleships were originally designed to fight other Battleships but then rarely did first because their immense cost made them too valuable to risk and later because the increasing accuracy and payload of carrier-based aircraft made BB vs BB combat unnecessary.  

It is interesting that the entire Iowa Class, America's most advanced Battleships never actually traded fire with an enemy Battleship.  They would have off of Samar of course if Halsey hadn't left the northern flank of the Luzon invasion fleet completely open but even there it would only have been with one of the Yamato Class but even there it is telling that it was only one because the other one had been sunk the day before by Halsey's planes.  

Tanks were not originally designed to fight other tanks.  In the interwar period all militaries had Tank Destroyers.  The thinking was that Tanks would go "over the top" to support infantry but they were armed to take out pill boxes and such, not other tanks.  Experience showed in WWII that they needed to be able to fight other tanks but as @SFBadger96 referenced most tank kills still came from aircraft, artillery, and panzerfausts/bazookas NOT other tanks.  

The shaped charge made it possible for a light weapon carried by infantry to take out a tank.  I have a general idea of what a shaped charge is but I do not understand the physics behind it.  

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #6890 on: August 20, 2026, 09:10:42 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

Infamous Menendez Brothers Murder Their Parents (1989)
The trials of Lyle and Erik Menendez for the cold-blooded murders of their parents in their Beverly Hills mansion captivated the nation. The "bereaved" sons initially escaped suspicion, but in the months after the murders, they went on a spending spree with their parents' money, to the tune of over $1 million, that raised a few eyebrows.
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« Reply #6891 on: August 20, 2026, 09:26:57 AM »
Good grief, I was positive I remembered that ordeal sometime in the back half of the 90's.  I thought you mistyped (or somebody did).....that couldn't have happened in 1989.  Nope, sure did......they weren't sentenced until 1996, which is what I'm thinking of.

Took long enough.  

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« Reply #6892 on: August 20, 2026, 04:36:01 PM »
Birthdays
1833 Benjamin Harrison
1942 Isaac Hayes
1948 Robert Plant- -Zepplin,M-A-N!!!


Events
480 BC Battle of Thermopylae: In one of history's most famous last stands, 7,000 warriors from an alliance of Greek states led by Leonidas I block the pass of Thermopylae for a week against an invading Persian army under Xerxes I, estimated at 120,000 to 300,000

1794 Battle of Fallen Timbers: Major General "Mad Anthony" Wayne defeats a joint British-Native American force at Fallen Timbers, Ohio in the final battle of the Northwest Indian War

1882 Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture" debuts in Moscow

1888 In an epic first-round US men's singles tennis match, Palmer Presbrey takes 80 games to defeat T.S. Tailer, 19-21, 8-6, 6-1, 3-6, 6-4

1908 America's Great White Fleet arrives in Sydney, Australia, greeted with a tremendous welcome; 221 American sailors desert to stay in Australia

1913 First pilot to parachute from an aircraft (Adolphe Pégoud, France)

1915 Chicago White Sox acquire "Shoeless" Joe Jackson from Cleveland for Robert Roth, Larry Chappell, Ed Klepfer, and $31,500; Jackson becomes involved in the "Black Sox Scandal" in 1919

1920 First US radio station, 8MK (WWJ) in Detroit, begins daily broadcasting

1920 American Allen Woodring wins the 200 m wearing borrowed shoes at the Olympic Games in Antwerp, Belgium

1940 British PM Winston Churchill says of the Royal Air Force, "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few"

1974 Nolan Ryan's pitch is measured at a record 161.6 kph (100.4 mph)

1978 Mark Vinchesi of Amherst, Massachusetts, keeps a frisbee aloft for 15.2 seconds

1980 Reinhold Messner of Italy is the first to complete a solo ascent of Mt Everest

1985 Hanspeter Beck of South Australia finishes a 3,875-mile, 51-day trip from Western Australia to Melbourne on a unicycle

2019 NASA confirms a mission to Jupiter's ice-covered moon Europa to search for alien life, launching in 2025




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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #6893 on: August 20, 2026, 11:41:19 PM »
On this day in Sioux City history: The Corps of Discovery led by Lewis and Clark experienced its first and only death on August 20, 1804. Sgt. Charles Floyd, 29, was buried on a bluff overlooking the Missouri River. Floyd's death was later thought to be caused by appendicitis. On the same day in 1901, an Egyptian-style obelisk towering over 100 feet tall in his honor was dedicated with more than two thousand people in attendance. In 1960, the Floyd Monument became the first registered landmark by the United States government.

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« Reply #6894 on: August 21, 2026, 01:25:19 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

Philippine Opposition Leader Benigno Aquino, Jr., Is Assassinated (1983)
Aquino, leader of the Philippines' Liberal Party, was planning to run for president in 1972 when Ferdinand Marcos, the incumbent, declared martial law and had Aquino arrested on inflated charges. Aquino served eight years in prison, at one point demonstrating against his sentence with a 40-day hunger strike. In 1980, he was released to go to the US for heart-bypass surgery. After three years in exile, he returned to the Philippines and was immediately assassinated.
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« Reply #6895 on: August 21, 2026, 07:30:00 AM »
On the same day in 1901, an Egyptian-style obelisk towering over 100 feet tall in his honor was dedicated with more than two thousand people in attendance. In 1960, the Floyd Monument became the first registered landmark by the United States government.


I only see two weathered posts in the forefront and one guy searching for a good fishing spot :017:
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« Reply #6896 on: August 21, 2026, 07:37:15 AM »
On August 21, 1915 — Out of the horrors of war sometimes emerge exploits of courage, daring and skill that merit admiration even if they are steeped in blood and death. The German aristocrat and fighter pilot Manfred von Richthofen, for example, won widespread fame in the First World War for shooting down 80 American and British aircraft in a 19-month period. With his plane painted a distinctive blood red he became known – and feared – as the Red Baron.

By contrast, German fighter pilot Oberleutnant Ludwig Franz Stigler, who was born on this day, is remembered not for the number of Allied aircraft that he shot down in the Second World War but for the one – an American B-17 bomber – that he didn’t.

On December 20, 1943, 2nd Lieutenant Charles “Charlie” Brown was on his first mission with the 379th Bombardment Group to attack the Focke-Wulf aircraft factory in the German city of Bremen.

Brown’s B-17F bomber, flying under the unlikely name of Ye Olde Pub, was twice hit by flak as it approached the target. He had to shut down one of the engines. The badly damaged aircraft then lagged behind the 20 other bombers in the American formation and Ye Olde Pub was repeatedly attacked by German fighters.

In no time it had lost its nose cone, the tail section was almost destroyed and there were gaping holes in the fuselage. Only one of its eleven guns was working.

If 21-year-old Brown’s aircraft was in a sorry state, so were those on board. Brown himself had been shot in the shoulder and at one point lost consciousness because of pain and loss of blood. The tail gunner was dead and other members of the 10-strong crew were badly wounded.

When Brown looked outside his cockpit he was horrified to see a German Messerschmitt hovering about a metre off his wingtip and obviously about to close in for the kill. “He’s going to destroy us,” Brown said to his co-pilot.

Jagdgeschwader 27 (JG 27) was a fighter wing of the Luftwaffe. One of its crack pilots was 28-year-old Franz Stigler who by this day had 27 “kills” to his name flying his deadly Messerschmitt Bf 109 G-6. With one more kill, he would receive the Knight’s Cross, Germany’s highest honour for bravery. And he was in the thick of the fighting against the American B-17s.

Just after Stigler landed to refuel, the crippled Ye Olde Pub limped through the air close by and the German immediately decided to quickly take off and shoot it down. But when he flew close to the enemy aircraft he could see the dead and wounded members of the American crew through holes in the fuselage. Stigler was to say later he could not understand how such a severely damaged plane could still be flying.

He also said that Gustav Rödel, one of his commanding officers, had told his pilots: "If I ever see or hear of you shooting at a man in a parachute, I will shoot you myself.” Stigler decided that, like a parachutist, the crew of this B-17 were in no condition to offer resistance, let alone launch an attack. "To me, it was just like they were in a parachute. I couldn't shoot them down.”

Stigler nodded at the American pilot then began flying in formation with the B-17 so that German anti-aircraft gunners below would not shoot down the slow-moving bomber. He escorted Brown away from danger out to the North Sea. Then he took one last look at the American, saluted, peeled his fighter away and returned to Germany.

Brown somehow managed to nurse his crippled aircraft the 250 miles back to his base in England.

Had Stigler’s superiors known of his actions he would almost certainly have been court-martialed and probably shot. But the story did not emerge for nearly 50 years. By that time Brown was living in Miami, Florida, and had made repeated attempts to identify and locate the unknown German. His efforts included placing an ad in a newsletter for former Luftwaffe pilots, telling the story and asking if anyone knew the identity of his saviour.

Then in January 1990 he received a letter. It was from Stigler. The German pilot had moved to Vancouver, Canada, in 1953 and become a successful businessman. The two met and along with their families they became firm friends for the rest of their lives. The two men died within months of each other in 2008. Stigler was 93, and Brown was 86.

The whole story is told in detail in the book ‘A Higher Call’ by American military historian Adam Makos, published in 2012.
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« Reply #6897 on: August 21, 2026, 10:49:18 AM »

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« Reply #6898 on: August 21, 2026, 12:40:22 PM »
It was on this day, 61 years ago, that The Rolling Stones scored their first No. 1 album in the United States. On Aug. 21, 1965, their third studio album, Out of Our Heads, reached No. 1 on the Billboard 200.

Per UDiscoverMusic.com, Out of Our Heads was released in the U.S. on July 30, 1965. Three weeks later, it dethroned The Beatles’ album, Beatles VI, after six weeks atop the Billboard 200.

The U.S. version of the album was highlighted by “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction” and “The Last Time,” another hit that went No. 1 on the UK Singles Chart.
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« Reply #6899 on: August 21, 2026, 01:24:23 PM »



Birthdays
1891 Bugs Moran
1904 Count Basie
1936 Wilt Chamberlain
1938 Kenny Rogers 
1956 Kim Cattrall
1986 Usain Bolt


Events
1888 American inventor William Seward Burroughs patents the adding machine

1911 The Mona Lisa is stolen from the Louvre Museum by Italian decorator Vincenzo Peruggia, recovered in 1913

1942 Walt Disney's animated movie "Bambi," based on the book by Felix Salten, is released

1959 Hawaii becomes the 50th state of the United States

1991 Conservative coup in the Soviet Union is crushed by popular resistance led by Boris Yeltsin in three days








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« Reply #6900 on: August 21, 2026, 01:32:19 PM »
I only see two weathered posts in the forefront and one guy searching for a good fishing spot :017:
This historical photograph appears to show the original gravesite and cedar marker of Sergeant Charles Floyd on the bluff overlooking the Missouri River in Sioux City, Iowa, circa 1894–1895, prior to the construction of the permanent stone obelisk monument.


Subject: The original burial site of Sgt. Charles Floyd—the only member of the Lewis and Clark Expedition to die during the journey—marked by rustic wooden posts before the 100-foot stone obelisk was built.


Location: Floyd’s Bluff in Sioux City, Iowa, looking across or along the Missouri River valley.


Context: Photographed around 1894–1895 by Photographer W. H. Wells just before the formation of the Floyd Memorial Association and the laying of the cornerstone for the landmark monument in 1900
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« Reply #6901 on: August 21, 2026, 03:39:24 PM »
On June 1, 1980, Ted Turner launched something the entire television industry insisted couldn't work, and he did it from a shoestring headquarters in Atlanta.
CNN went live as the world's first 24-hour news channel, and early critics mocked it as the "Chicken Noodle Network." Turner didn't blink. In 1985, he bought the old Omni International Hotel on Marietta Street and converted it into CNN Center, a move that helped kickstart the revival of a struggling downtown. By the 1991 Gulf War, CNN was the only network broadcasting live from inside Iraq, and the doubters finally went quiet. 📺
Turner passed away earlier this year, but the network he built out of nothing still broadcasts from that same Atlanta address, decades later.



 

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