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medinabuckeye1

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #6804 on: August 12, 2026, 05:15:07 PM »
The American people had no interest in starting a new war with an ally they were literally just fighting alongside. Maybe at a high level it could have been a good idea, but I doubt that, too. The Soviet war machine was in full gear. Unless we were prepared to nuke the Soviets, which we were not, a ground war in Asia and Europe would have been every bit as costly as the one we were just wrapping up. Democracies must convince their people that war is a good idea. The American public had no appetite for this.

Also, the Soviets--Stalin in particular--had long believed they had every right to meddle in China, and, by extension, Korea. Much more of a right than the "west" did, because of the shared borders.

Land war in China (and Korea) against the Soviets--not to mention, inevitably, Europe, where the Germans were decimated, the French were non-existent, and the English had already lost a third of their national wealth? Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
This.

History Undone is a pretty solid YouTube channel that analyzes historical 'what ifs' such as this and they did an episode on it:

https://youtu.be/c3XyO6yFwHY?is=iyO8vZfgah7T7iur

Each side had advantages that the other couldn't realistically overcome in anything less than at least 2+years. The Soviets had an enormous numerical advantage in terms of trained and operational ground troops but the Anglo-American alliance had an enormous advantage in naval power and in strategic air power. The Soviet Air Force was enormous and by that point very good at close infantry support but they lacked strategic air power almost completely.

It has been a while since I watched but the basic conclusion was that neither side could have decisively defeated the other so it would have resulted in a protracted quagmire. A multi-year all out war coming right at the end of four (US&USSR) or six (Britain) years of all out war was unthinkable.

I do think that the West could and should have gotten better terms for the Poles, Hungarians, Romanians, etc but at Yalta Churchill presided over a bankrupt empire while Roosevelt was dying and both the Prime Minister and the President were hampered by the presence of multiple Soviet agents within their governments.

Additionally, Roosevelt didn't yet know that the bomb would be successful so his main objective was to secure Soviet assistance against Japan to minimize the projected ONE MILLION casualties that an invasion of the Japanese home islands would have resulted in. Had he known that "the gadget" would work and provide the US with sole possession of a super-weapon he probably wouldn't have been walked over so badly.

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #6805 on: August 12, 2026, 09:51:25 PM »
hindsight is not 20/20
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #6806 on: Today at 07:13:01 AM »
The last person to receive a government pension from the American Civil War was Irene Triplett, the daughter of Mose Triplett.

Triplett had fought for the Confederacy before deserting while his unit was marching to Gettysburg in 1863 (where it was all but wiped out), and switching sides to the Union.

When he died his gravestone simply read: "He was a Civil War soldier."

As for Irene, born in 1930, she was entitled to collect his pension of $73.13 a month from the Department of Veterans Affairs until her death, which was at the age of 90 in 2020. She qualified for the lifelong benefit as a "helpless adult child" of a veteran due to cognitive impairments

So according to this Mose Triplett fathered a child 67 years after the Battle of Gettysburg??? And no viagra in sight or needed :017:
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #6807 on: Today at 09:33:33 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

The Berlin Wall Goes Up (1961)
After World War II, the Soviet Union occupied East Berlin while control of West Berlin was split between the US, the UK, and France. From 1949 to 1961, more than 2 million East Germans fled to West Germany to escape Communist rule before the wall was built to stop the tide of defectors. First constructed of barbed wire and erected at night, the barrier was eventually replaced by a concrete structure studded with watchtowers manned by East German soldiers.
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« Reply #6808 on: Today at 09:47:46 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY:

The Berlin Wall Goes Up (1961)
After World War II, the Soviet Union occupied East Berlin while control of West Berlin was split between the US, the UK, and France. From 1949 to 1961, more than 2 million East Germans fled to West Germany to escape Communist rule before the wall was built to stop the tide of defectors. First constructed of barbed wire and erected at night, the barrier was eventually replaced by a concrete structure studded with watchtowers manned by East German soldiers.

I think there is a lesson here somewhere, that more than a few people need to understand.

Why did they need a wall?

When the wall came down, people from which side ran where again?

I tend to forget things now.
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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #6809 on: Today at 11:01:21 AM »
You're overreacting.  ChatGPT assured me that some forms of socialism and communism are compatible with American culture and values, particularly modern forms of it.    

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« Reply #6810 on: Today at 11:04:53 AM »
I think there is a lesson here somewhere, that more than a few people need to understand.

Why did they need a wall?

When the wall came down, people from which side ran where again?

I tend to forget things now.
why do we need a wall now?
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« Reply #6811 on: Today at 12:15:49 PM »
Jeebus, surely you knuckledraggers can tell the difference between socialism and communism by now? Social Security is socialism. Medicare is socialism. The TVA is socialism. The annual farm bill is socialism. The annual highway bill is socialism. Too much socialism is bad. At some point it bleeds into communism. Too much of anything is bad. Too much capitalism eventually becomes anarchy. That's bad, too. Ask the Sudanese how anarchy is working out for them.

Sheesh. Or was ChatGPT what led you astray? We can blame it, instead. 
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