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« Reply #6790 on: August 10, 2026, 09:00:57 AM »
10 August 1842. British parliament passed the Mines Act. It stopped women and children under the age of 10 from working underground. Many children, as young as 6, had previously worked shifts of up to 12 hours.

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« Reply #6791 on: August 10, 2026, 04:36:40 PM »
August 10, 1945, the Japanese inform the allies that they intend unconditional surrender. The Emperor's public, formal statement was made August 15, and the surrender was signed September 2, but August 10 was the day Japan acknowledged it could not continue, and the day the western allies began to restrict their troop movements because of the anticipated surrender.

At the same time, the Soviet Union was sweeping through Japanese occupied Manchuria, and began attacking the Japanese Navy in and around Korea, setting the conditions for the Soviet invasion in Korea, which would result in establishing the 38th parallel as the boundary of Soviet vs. western controlled Korea. Not that anything important ever happened as a result of that.

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« Reply #6792 on: August 11, 2026, 08:55:17 AM »
It is well-known that Confederate sympathizer John Wilkes Booth assassinated President Abraham Lincoln on April 14, 1865. But less than a year earlier, the Lincoln family had reason to praise the Booth name.

While standing on a train platform, Edwin Booth, brother of the assassin, saw a young man fall onto the tracks just as a train was moving off, and managed to pull him to safety. He had just saved Robert Todd Lincoln, the president’s son – not that he knew that. If anything, Robert was the one in awe, as his rescuer (pictured) was one of the most celebrated Shakespearean actors of his day.


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« Reply #6793 on: August 11, 2026, 09:34:35 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

"Malaysian Haze" Prompts State of Emergency Declaration (2005)
For a week in 2005, a choking, smog-like haze brought the central part of peninsular Malaysia to a standstill. Air quality was so poor that a state of emergency was declared in the district of Kuala Selangor and the country's major shipping center, Port Klang. Residents were instructed to stay home, and schools were closed. Only supermarkets and essential services remained open. Miraculously, Kuala Lumpur's main airport was unaffected.
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« Reply #6794 on: August 11, 2026, 07:05:11 PM »
Birthdays
1920 Mike Douglas
1921 Alex Haley
1949 Eric Carmen
1950 Steve Wozniak
1953 Hulk Hogan
1967 Joe Rogan

Events
1772 Explosive eruption blows 4,000 feet off Papandayan, Java, killing 3,000

1885 $100,000 is raised in the US for the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty

1896 Harvey Hubbell patents an electric light bulb socket with a pull chain

1909 SOS is first used by an American ship, SS Arapahoe, off Cape Hatteras, NC

1919 Green Bay Packers football club is founded by George Calhoun and Curly Lambeau and is named after sponsor Indian Packing Company

1924 First newsreel pictures of US presidential candidates are taken

1929 New York Yankees slugger Babe Ruth becomes the first MLB player to hit 500 home runs (off Willis Hudlin) in a 6-5 loss to the Indians at League Park, Cleveland

1967 Al Downing becomes the 12th pitcher to strike out the side on nine pitches

1972 "Cheech & Chong Day" in San Antonio Texas

1973 The birth of hip-hop: DJ Kool Herc uses two turntables, playing the same record simultaneously to create the “merry-go-round” technique, at a party in the Bronx

1979 28°F in Embarrass, Minnesota

1979 Phillies' Tug McGraw gives up a record fourth grand slam of the year

1984 During a radio voice test, US President Reagan jokes that he "signed legislation that would outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."

2003 A heatwave in Paris results in temperatures rising to 112°F, leaving approximately 144 people dead

2016 A Greenland shark is declared the longest-living vertebrate in the world at 392 years by an international team of scientists
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« Reply #6795 on: August 12, 2026, 08:11:46 AM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY:

Russian Submarine K-141 Kursk Sinks in Barents Sea (2000)
While completing naval exercises with dummy torpedoes on August 12, 2000, the Russian submarine Kursk suffered two explosions two minutes and 15 seconds apart. The second explosion registered about a 3.5 on the Richter scale. The blasts destroyed the front hull, and all 118 crew members died. It was initially believed that the entire crew died quickly.
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« Reply #6796 on: August 12, 2026, 10:03:22 AM »
On This Day in 1891, John J. Pershing was appointed as Professor of Military Science at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, a position he filled until 1895.

The university’s “Pershing Rifles” ROTC unit, founded in 1894, was named in his honor at the time of his departure. It remains the oldest continuously operating college organization dedicated to military drill in the nation.

📷: Group portrait of uniformed men with John J. Pershing sitting in the middle, c. 1895.


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« Reply #6797 on: August 12, 2026, 10:54:08 AM »
That's wild. Today an ROTC unit's professor of military science is normally a lieutenant colonel who has probably reached the end of his or her successful, but not really successful career. It is their "battalion" command, in lieu of commanding an actual battalion of soldiers. They will likely retire as lieutenant colonels, which is a respectable career, but probably not what they had in mind.

But it's also an opportunity to live on a college campus for a couple of years and enjoy a pretty chill assignment before taking that retirement pay.

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« Reply #6798 on: August 12, 2026, 11:09:36 AM »
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« Reply #6799 on: August 12, 2026, 11:26:11 AM »
August 10, 1945, the Japanese inform the allies that they intend unconditional surrender. The Emperor's public, formal statement was made August 15, and the surrender was signed September 2, but August 10 was the day Japan acknowledged it could not continue, and the day the western allies began to restrict their troop movements because of the anticipated surrender.

At the same time, the Soviet Union was sweeping through Japanese occupied Manchuria, and began attacking the Japanese Navy in and around Korea, setting the conditions for the Soviet invasion in Korea, which would result in establishing the 38th parallel as the boundary of Soviet vs. western controlled Korea. Not that anything important ever happened as a result of that.
The whole situation at the end of the Pacific war is fascinating to me.  Emperor Hirohito's official statement contains what I think is the greatest understatement of all time:  "The War situation has not necessarily turned in Japan's favor."  LoL, ya think?  

Then the 38th parallel was decided almost on a whim between the Soviets and the Americans based on realities on the ground.  The militant pro-American position would be that the US had been fighting the Japanese for four long years and thus earned the right to occupy all of the former Japanese Empire while the militant pro-USSR position would be that Korea is literally adjacent to the Soviet Union (Vladivostok is the prime Pacific port for the USSR and it is only a few kilometers from the North Korean border) and this is clearly an area of Soviet concern while Korea is thousands of miles from the US and should be of little or no concern to officials half a world away in Washington.  

Then there is the reality on the ground.  If it had come to a fight in 1945, it would have been nearly impossible for the US to take on the Soviet Army in North Korea due to the fact that Soviet logistics would have been relatively simple as a matter of using the existing Trans-Siberian RR and it's extension to what had formerly been known as Port Arthur to get troops, equipment, supplies, fuel, etc into the vicinity of Northern Korea.  That said, Korea is a peninsula and the Soviet Navy in 1945 was in no position to challenge the US Navy so as the conflict moved down the peninsula the logistics for the Soviets would have gotten more difficult (farther from their railheads) and the logistics for the Americans would have gotten easier (closer to ports that they could control).  Further, the peninsula is narrow enough that US carrier-based air assets could have patrolled it entirely from US Carriers in the Yellow Sea (W of Korea) and the Sea of Japan (East of Korea).  The USN had LOTS of carriers available in 1945 and the Soviets would have been unable to effectively challenge those operations.  

Finally, after four years of fighting the Japanese and Germans, nobody in the US and USSR really wanted to go to war so the US proposed a reasonable division at the 38th parallel and the Soviets accepted it.  It was supposed to be temporary . . .  That was 81 years ago and counting . . .

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« Reply #6800 on: August 12, 2026, 11:32:20 AM »
Birthdays
1880 Christy Mathewson
1881 Cecil B. DeMille
1930 George Soros
1939  George Hamilton
1949 Mark Knopfler,
1971 Pete Sampras

Events

1480 Ottoman troops conquer Otranto in southern Italy after a 15-day siege, killing 12,000, enslaving 5,000, and beheading 800 Christians for refusing to convert to Islam

1851 American inventor Isaac Singer patents his famous sewing machine

1877 To his amazement, Thomas Edison records himself reciting "Mary Had a Little Lamb" on his newly completed cylinder phonograph, a device that records sound onto tinfoil cylinders

1908 Ford Motor Company builds its first Model T car, which Henry Ford himself tests on a hunting trip to Wisconsin and northern Michigan

1923 Enrico Tiraboschi (36) of Argentina is the first to swim the English Channel from France to England

1930 Clarence Birdseye is granted a patent for a method for quick freezing food (patent US 1773079 A)

1948 Cleveland Indians get 29 hits in a 9-inning game (hell I wish they could get that in a series now)

1978 NFL New England Patriots wide receiver Darryl Stingley suffers a spinal cord injury, leaving him with incomplete quadriplegia after a hit by Oakland Raiders' Jack Tatum in a preseason exhibition game

1980 Nicaragua celebrates the end of its National Literacy Crusade, a massive effort over five months that reduces illiteracy from 50% to 12%

1981 American swimmer Jon Erikson becomes the first to complete a three-way crossing of the English Channel in 38 hours and 27 minutes

1981 Don Estridge unveils the company's first personal computer, the IBM PC, at New York’s Waldorf Astoria Hotel, priced at $1,565 with 16 kilobytes of RAM, helping bring computing to the masses

1994 First NFL game on Fox Network (exhibition - SF vs. Denver)

2000 The Oscar class submarine K-141 Kursk of the Russian Navy explodes and sinks in the Barents Sea during a military exercise

2021 Bennu Asteroid, the size of the Empire State Building, now has a 1-in-1,750 chance of hitting Earth in 2182 according to data from NASA's OSIRIS-REx spacecraft
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« Reply #6801 on: August 12, 2026, 11:37:33 AM »
The whole situation at the end of the Pacific war is fascinating to me.  Emperor Hirohito's official statement contains what I think is the greatest understatement of all time:  "The War situation has not necessarily turned in Japan's favor."  LoL, ya think? 

Then the 38th parallel was decided almost on a whim between the Soviets and the Americans based on realities on the ground.  The militant pro-American position would be that the US had been fighting the Japanese for four long years and thus earned the right to occupy all of the former Japanese Empire while the militant pro-USSR position would be that Korea is literally adjacent to the Soviet Union (Vladivostok is the prime Pacific port for the USSR and it is only a few kilometers from the North Korean border) and this is clearly an area of Soviet concern while Korea is thousands of miles from the US and should be of little or no concern to officials half a world away in Washington. 

Then there is the reality on the ground.  If it had come to a fight in 1945, it would have been nearly impossible for the US to take on the Soviet Army in North Korea due to the fact that Soviet logistics would have been relatively simple as a matter of using the existing Trans-Siberian RR and it's extension to what had formerly been known as Port Arthur to get troops, equipment, supplies, fuel, etc into the vicinity of Northern Korea.  That said, Korea is a peninsula and the Soviet Navy in 1945 was in no position to challenge the US Navy so as the conflict moved down the peninsula the logistics for the Soviets would have gotten more difficult (farther from their railheads) and the logistics for the Americans would have gotten easier (closer to ports that they could control).  Further, the peninsula is narrow enough that US carrier-based air assets could have patrolled it entirely from US Carriers in the Yellow Sea (W of Korea) and the Sea of Japan (East of Korea).  The USN had LOTS of carriers available in 1945 and the Soviets would have been unable to effectively challenge those operations. 

Finally, after four years of fighting the Japanese and Germans, nobody in the US and USSR really wanted to go to war so the US proposed a reasonable division at the 38th parallel and the Soviets accepted it.  It was supposed to be temporary . . .  That was 81 years ago and counting . . .
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« Reply #6802 on: August 12, 2026, 11:53:28 AM »
Going with maybe not....at that point,earlier IKE should have agreed more often with him
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« Reply #6803 on: August 12, 2026, 02:25:22 PM »
The American people had no interest in starting a new war with an ally they were literally just fighting alongside. Maybe at a high level it could have been a good idea, but I doubt that, too. The Soviet war machine was in full gear. Unless we were prepared to nuke the Soviets, which we were not, a ground war in Asia and Europe would have been every bit as costly as the one we were just wrapping up. Democracies must convince their people that war is a good idea. The American public had no appetite for this.

Also, the Soviets--Stalin in particular--had long believed they had every right to meddle in China, and, by extension, Korea. Much more of a right than the "west" did, because of the shared borders.

Land war in China (and Korea) against the Soviets--not to mention, inevitably, Europe, where the Germans were decimated, the French were non-existent, and the English had already lost a third of their national wealth? Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. 

 

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