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MrNubbz

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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #238 on: October 31, 2019, 06:03:57 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 31, 2019, 05:54:35 PM
You seem angry.



Maybe a HC not putting in a QB with a cannon for an arm has good reasons and it isn't just idiocy.  Perhaps the QB doesn't have the playbook down.  Perhaps he stutters when calling out the play.  Maybe he loafs it in practice.  Maybe he's loose with the football.

To pretend you know better is more childish than anything I've said or done here.
Is there anything else this week you'd like to correct humanity on while you have your soap box.
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #239 on: October 31, 2019, 06:07:10 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on October 31, 2019, 04:42:37 PM
Obviously, some certificates are worth a lot more than others

There are some contributors here that are certifiable
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #240 on: October 31, 2019, 07:18:39 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 31, 2019, 06:03:57 PM
Is there anything else this week you'd like to correct humanity on while you have your soap box.
I don't understand why I irk you.  I'm posting on a forum.  That's what it's for.  



Why is it that when I have an opinion supported by facts and statistics and the other side basically says, "nuh uh" - I end up being the jackass?  How am I the bad guy?  I'm the jerk.  I'm the ignorant one...because I provide support for my opinions?  Guilty!


Maybe you could share with me how I'm so abrasive while doing nothing more than what anyone else is doing here.  We all have our takes, and some are more substantive than others, but to be bothered by it?  I must have missed something somewhere along the way on that one.
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #241 on: October 31, 2019, 10:22:18 PM »
Oh, you're such a victim. 
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #242 on: October 31, 2019, 10:30:12 PM »
Interestingly, I can’t quote Nubbz’ last post, but if we can’t agree that at points OSU fans raged about Pryor, Miller and Jones spraying balls and called for JT to replace Jones in 2015 or Guyton to replace Miller in whatever year that was, we just won’t see eye to eye.

I yield. JT playing cost OSU two made up alternate universe titles. He should be remembered as the failure he was. If only he could’ve been what we imagine Burrow three years ago was.

(I’ll admit, understanding OSU football in some ways through the message board posts of OSU fans does feel a little like taking drugs. Thanks for the high, I guess? I’m impressed how mad that part made you)



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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #243 on: October 31, 2019, 10:38:05 PM »
JT was a good College QB.

Could he throw it 40 yards on a rope, and hit the guy in stride on his right shoulder? No. That's not who he was.

Could he extend a play with his legs just long enough to find that one guy that shaked off his man and got wide ass open? Yeah, most of the time.
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #244 on: October 31, 2019, 10:44:16 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 31, 2019, 12:10:10 PM
It is a point of interest for sure, and I'm pretty certain we all know why.

Interesting, also, is that the several who work for me are not liberal. Two of them still live with their parents though. I guess that's a thing too, with that generation.

That bugs me.
Ooo, you hit on a topic I enjoy.

The living at home thing, it irks a lot of people, but I can’t help but wonder if it’s just a reversion to the way things used to be. A contraction of a historical blip.

So how long ago was it assumed a person was automatically out of the house at 18, maybe since WWII? So about 60-65 years? That’s not all that long. It’s about as long as pensions existed, which are economically nonsensical, but were normalized and took a while to phase out.

So going to college, never coming back became normalized, but what if it’s not economically advantageous short term? Let’s do the math. You’re going to end up with minimum $600 a month in costs between rent and bills, and $700 is more likely still on the low side. So that’s $7,200 or $8,400 on the low end to just feel like more of an adult.

If one of you’re kids said I’m spending $7,200 a year to feel more like an adult, you’d tell them to be responsible. I see a measure of responsibility, using an unused room. You can’t just be a drain, but I think it’s an outlier only in a recent historical term.

(To be clear, this is in a short term world rather than a long term. If you’re home a year or even six months, you best be helping out in a big way.)
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #245 on: October 31, 2019, 10:46:08 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 31, 2019, 10:38:05 PM
JT was a good College QB.

Could he throw it 40 yards on a rope, and hit the guy in stride on his right shoulder? No. That's not who he was.

Could he extend a play with his legs just long enough to find that one guy that shaked off his man and got wide ass open? Yeah, most of the time.
I think this is mostly true. And I’m also a tad skeptical Burrow was throwing all those ropes in 2016.

Have any players come out and said he did? I assume if he was killing it then, someone has spoken up. (Shoot, Montee ball wrongly came after Chryst, but he at least spoke up)
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #246 on: November 01, 2019, 07:39:42 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on October 31, 2019, 10:30:12 PM
Interestingly, I can’t quote Nubbz’ last post, but if we can’t agree that at points OSU fans raged about Pryor, Miller and Jones spraying balls and called for JT to replace Jones in 2015 or Guyton to replace Miller in whatever year that was, we just won’t see eye to eye.

I yield. JT playing cost OSU two made up alternate universe titles. He should be remembered as the failure he was. If only he could’ve been what we imagine Burrow three years ago was.

(I’ll admit, understanding OSU football in some ways through the message board posts of OSU fans does feel a little like taking drugs. Thanks for the high, I guess? I’m impressed how mad that part made you)
I see you have resorted to reductio ad absurdum in claiming that everyone that questions Meyers decision was saying that JT was a horrible QB and cost tOSU multiple titles. That is NOT what I was saying.

All I was saying was that Meyer had a habit, history, whatever, of settling on something and then resisting any future input  that might not support his original decision. He became loyal to players, coaches and offensive philosophies. He was very stubborn, just as I believe most high profile coaches are. 

I won't argue that JT was not a very good college QB; he was. He just did not have the ability to win the games against the best competition due to his inability to effectively pass down field. And the frustrating part of that is when you see that they had QB's on the bench that were very capable doing just that. 

Again, I am very happy with the results over the past 7-8 years, but it just makes you wonder what else could have been done differently. 
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #247 on: November 01, 2019, 08:30:53 AM »
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bayareabadger

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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #248 on: November 01, 2019, 08:38:08 AM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on November 01, 2019, 07:39:42 AM
I see you have resorted to reductio ad absurdum in claiming that everyone that questions Meyers decision was saying that JT was a horrible QB and cost tOSU multiple titles. That is NOT what I was saying.

All I was saying was that Meyer had a habit, history, whatever, of settling on something and then resisting any future input  that might not support his original decision. He became loyal to players, coaches and offensive philosophies. He was very stubborn, just as I believe most high profile coaches are.

I won't argue that JT was not a very good college QB; he was. He just did not have the ability to win the games against the best competition due to his inability to effectively pass down field. And the frustrating part of that is when you see that they had QB's on the bench that were very capable doing just that.

Again, I am very happy with the results over the past 7-8 years, but it just makes you wonder what else could have been done differently.
(This was more a response to some comments about the drugs I was apparently doing, not your comments. I think we’re like 2 percent apart, which happens, and our passion for arguing makes it seem wider)

In the end, nothing wrong with wondering. I’ll be fully honest, I look at as two scenarios: Burrow vs JT in 2016 and Haskins vs JT in 2017. The second one, that feels closer. That speaks to how good DH was the next year that benching the ninth rated passer in the land feels more logical. The burrow one less so, if only because I don’t think he was near as good a player at that point, mostly relying on a three sort of data points.
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #249 on: November 01, 2019, 09:59:07 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 31, 2019, 07:39:26 AM
If you can't see that I can't help you.By Einsteins definition - that's insanity.

Pretty much every conversation, ever, with OAM. If you stop feeding the troll, they get bored and go away. It obvious he doesn't contain the mental faculties to comprehend the obvious and legitimate criticism of JT, and continues to harp his own bias perspective.

JT was an amazing leader in the locker room and on the field. And except for one hiccup seemed to be a genuine high class character.  He was a record setting QB for Ohio State, that lead the Buckeyes to numerous wins. None of this is questioned or debated.

What is also obvious is JT was not accurate downfield passer over 20+ yards. While his backups (Jones, Haskins and Burrow) seemed quite capable of making said downfield pass. To wonder 'what if', is a very normal process to take place. Hell we let one back up play 3 games, win a B1G and National title and IMHO was the best 3 games strewn together I've ever seen.

Both of these truths can coexist simultaneously. "Every" Buckeye poster on this board seems to comprehend this, there is only one outlier who has an agenda that We Buckeye fans hated our record setting QB. It's not accurate, let him vent his final biased opinions and just ignore it and we can get back to talking about "OSU and Reality."

"Never Argue with an Idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with Experience." - Mark Twain

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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #250 on: November 01, 2019, 10:04:52 AM »
This is one of the stranger debates I can recall on this message board.    Not sure anybody has been covered in glory.
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Re: OSU and reality
« Reply #251 on: November 01, 2019, 10:07:35 AM »
I have been completely covered in glory here, by staying out of it.  I realize that different people can have different opinions about a thing, and it's OK with me (unless they are factually incorrect or off the wall).

I think nearly everyone here understands this as well.

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