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Topic: Maryland regents recommend reinstating Durkin, Loh fires him next day.

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bayareabadger

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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2018, 11:48:36 AM »
Quote from: Entropy on August 14, 2018, 10:25:44 AM
They made a billion dollar investment into the SEC.   They should be biased to maximize that return.   I'm ok with it.   But don't pretend you're not doing it.  
So this is built on the idea that the SEC will thrive when the Big Ten suffers. This is kind of unclear. 
There’s also the fact ESPN drops $31.6 million a year to play Big Ten games. So if they don’t want to hurt an investment, why hurt that one?
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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2018, 12:15:32 PM »
no... it's built on the idea that the SEC is their biggest investment and they will have top 5 football divisions and still list #6 as a memo so the SEC shows up twice.


It is built on the idea that player arrests don't need to be treated equally. 
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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2018, 12:37:09 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on August 14, 2018, 12:15:32 PM
no... it's built on the idea that the SEC is their biggest investment and they will have top 5 football divisions and still list #6 as a memo so the SEC shows up twice.


It is built on the idea that player arrests don't need to be treated equally.  

What does that mean?
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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2018, 12:42:55 PM »
Quote from: JerseyTerrapin on August 14, 2018, 09:00:56 AM
I doubt anybody here really cares what I think, but since I have opined, I want to make myself clear.

If that article correctly depicts the culture in Maryland football (I don't think it does), I want the entire staff gone.  If negligence (or whatever we want to call it) led to McNair's death, the program should do whatever is needed to address that, including dismissal of whoever is responsible.  This might include the captain of the ship.

My comments have been more about the shabby, headline-seeking coverage by ESPN than about the situation itself...
 If a kid died, and people within the program or close the program felt nothing changed as a result, would that not be headline worthy? 
I wonder if some of this owes to the aggregation era.  Someone writes one story, and then everyone else writes their own story, and then lots of people write a story of a local reaction, and then multiple notable people talk about it because it needs the day, and their reaction intern becomes a story. It makes things feel so oppressive, but there isn’t one actor pulling most of the strings.  Plus we can welcome all of it into our brains through a box in our pockets. 
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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2018, 12:46:57 PM »
Sounds like press conference at 2 pm
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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2018, 12:51:21 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 14, 2018, 11:48:36 AM
There’s also the fact ESPN drops $31.6 million a year to play Big Ten games. So if they don’t want to hurt an investment, why hurt that one?
doesn't make Cents
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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2018, 01:08:38 PM »
That step, this fast? It's a safe heuristic for Durkin getting the boot. Man, I really thought he was a lock to lead UMd on a breakthrough. And, honestly, if he hadn't suffered a QB decimation somehow greater than Michigan's last year, he probably would have in 2017. I'm stunned at how these 12 mos. unfolded.
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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2018, 01:19:25 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 14, 2018, 12:42:55 PM
If a kid died, and people within the program or close the program felt nothing changed as a result, would that not be headline worthy?
 
Yes, that article would be headline-worthy and something that I could respect.  There'd still be the caveat that I'd expect the reporters to seek out opinions, quotes and material that don't fit the story they was hoping to write before they started.

edit: updated to refer to all three reporters so as not to single anybody out.  Left resulting bad grammar for humor, which any Terp fan needs right now.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2018, 01:45:33 PM by JerseyTerrapin »
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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2018, 01:29:57 PM »
Didn't Rittenberg and VanHaaren author the piece with Dinich? If that article was supposedly a hit job: Why such peace for them?
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bayareabadger

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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2018, 01:45:55 PM »
Quote from: JerseyTerrapin on August 14, 2018, 01:19:25 PM
Yes, that article would be headline-worthy and something that I could respect.  There'd still be the caveat that I'd expect the reporter to seek out opinions, quotes and material that don't fit the story she was hoping to write before she started.
Do we have  much proof of that? Or is that speculation and reading into the intent? 
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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #52 on: August 14, 2018, 01:46:22 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 14, 2018, 12:42:55 PM
If a kid died, and people within the program or close the program felt nothing changed as a result, would that not be headline worthy?
Perhaps, but perhaps not. What if it actually WASN'T the fault of the program that the kid died? What if they did all the correct things, and it was just a tragedy?
These things do happen. Football is a strenuous and dangerous game. Whenever something like this happens, some people are out for blood, to find someone to blame. Sometimes it's just crap luck. We as people don't want to admit that because then it forces us to realize that such things could happen to us, or to our kids, just as easily as it happened to this player. But that still doesn't mean that the coaches were at fault.
I wasn't there, and so I'm just looking at this from the outside. So I'm not going to form an opinion on it either way. I don't have enough data to do so. 
But I do want to highlight that you're begging the question. In your question, you're assuming that something should change as a result of this death. And that if nothing changes, then outrage is warranted.
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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #53 on: August 14, 2018, 01:52:14 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on August 14, 2018, 10:25:44 AM
They made a billion dollar investment into the SEC.   They should be biased to maximize that return.   I'm ok with it.   But don't pretend you're not doing it.  
it's always amazing to me that a board with this many intelligent posters still believes this. anyone care to explain why espn didn't jump on the meyer/osu story full bore? was actually worse, they flat out ignored it for as long as possible. or the fact that the b1g and espn are also in bed with each other with a massive new contract announced last year? but i guess those don't fit the narrative.
you guys and gals are better than this.
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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #54 on: August 14, 2018, 01:59:54 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 14, 2018, 01:45:55 PM
Do we have  much proof of that? Or is that speculation and reading into the intent?
No ironclad proof, I can't know what they were thinking.  But it's awfully strange that while they claim to have "sat in the student union looking for players to interview..." they only encountered ones with caustic opinions that fit the tone of the story.  Yet almost immediately, current players came out of the woodwork to contest  the story.
But what's done is done.  The important thing is that there is accountability for what happened to Jordan if mistakes were made and protocol not followed.  99.9% (not 100, sadly) of Maryland fans that I'm in contact with feel the same way.  
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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #55 on: August 14, 2018, 02:13:27 PM »
rolltide.. it always amazes me how many people don't believe it.    ESPNU is basically the SECNetwork's second channel.   Internet is full of examples of ESPN article titles, turning top 5's into top 6 lists, memo's for SEC teams or divisions when you don't memo others.....

again, I'd do the same.  It's their #1 investment in College sports.  Promote it.   Push it.   Again,... It's your #1 investment in College sports.  It would be stupid not to promote it.   But don't pretend it is not happening.
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