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Topic: Maryland regents recommend reinstating Durkin, Loh fires him next day.

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mcwterps1

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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2018, 11:16:15 AM »
It was an 80 degree day in May. 

Not really the type of conditions you'd expect these symptoms. 

He was worn out, as anyone would be. 

The training staff should be on the chopping block, not the HC, but I feel public opinion from people who know nothing will win the day. 

Many players, current and past, are defending Durkin and the program citing not to believe what you read. 

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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2018, 12:15:08 PM »
This has also been a great distraction for other things going on around the CFB landscape.

First, Heather brings up months old information about how Jordan died, and then comes out with an article using "toxic" as an attention grabber, using a player who was kicked off the team, and a coach who goes to PSU as "anonymous sources".

ESPN hit job. 

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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2018, 09:51:21 AM »
ESPN certainly has had it's eye on the BIG lately...   Perhaps the BIG has done poorly with policing itself.  Or, perhaps the BIG has improved too much in football....  

yes, I'm a Gen-Xer.  =)

But what little ESPN I watch seems focused on that which challenges their investment.   It's not that OSU, MSU, Maryland, FSU (2 yrs ago) are not news.  It's the fact that other news doesn't share the coverage volume.   The highlight the bad of certain programs/conferences more than others.

it's not fake news, but it certainly is influencing... just like they do with the polls.   But they are part of the US media machine where directing the conclusions is the norm. 

Now, I'm going to put back on my tin foil hat.  thank you.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2018, 09:58:46 AM by Entropy »

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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2018, 12:29:24 PM »
If a kid dies in football related drills for a Power 5 program, it is going to be a big story at some point. This finally got traction, maybe because the news cycle is slow, maybe because some like Dinich finally found 1-2 people willing to talk. Who knows. 

And if a kid dies in football related drills for a Power 5 program, a number of people are going to go down with the ship, including some who had little to nothing to do with the episode. It's a pretty serious deal. Knowledge and resources around this stuff have advanced tremendously since Korey Stringer. It seems to be a bad set of circumstances, but it really shouldn't happen.

There is no direct comparable I can think of. But there are some corollaries to a story like this. For the workout itself the Iowa rhabdo issues from a few years ago comes to mind. For the death, the Notre Dame student helper getting blown off the scissor lift on a windy day comes to mind. And the cultural issues make me think back to Leach and Kevin Wilson.  

The Iowa and Notre Dame staff's came out largely unscathed. Wilson and Leach obviously didn't. It seems counter-intuitive, but in the cases where there were serious health issues or death, the coaches survived. But in the cases of culture, bullying, etc., the coaches went down. 

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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2018, 01:02:57 PM »
The Iowa and Notre Dame staff's came out largely unscathed. Wilson and Leach obviously didn't. It seems counter-intuitive, but in the cases where there were serious health issues or death, the coaches survived. But in the cases of culture, bullying, etc., the coaches went down.
I still don't know how Kelly tefloned that one

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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2018, 01:09:53 PM »
I still think that was a Craig James hatchet job on Leach. 

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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2018, 01:53:18 PM »
I still think that was a Craig James hatchet job on Leach.
Still one of my all-time favorites from Ramzy at Ohio State blog 11Warriors:  :)

https://deadspin.com/5873669/campaign-donation-to-craig-james-contains-hidden-message-about-dead-hookers

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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2018, 03:38:22 PM »
This "toxic" crap looks like it's coming from disgruntled people. And Heather just loves sticking it to Maryland.

So what’s the bad blood between Dinich and Maryland?

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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2018, 04:01:20 PM »
So what’s the bad blood between Dinich and Maryland?
It dates back to when she was an ACC reporter and Ralph.
She over sensationalized and fabricated and expanded on things that weren't real.
Mostly speculation on her part and made it out to be bigger than what it really was.  From QB's to suspensions or whatever you have.
Ralph like to keep things close to the vest anyway and she kept crying and crying until he finally called her out on it in front of her colleagues.
Sounds like there may be more to come in this situation as well.
There may not be a Maryland football program after this is said and done.

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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2018, 05:24:14 PM »
I'm gonna' go ahead and say that the medical/training staff goofed up here, with tragic results.  I can't see any other way to look at it.  If that's the case, the program must face up to it.  And I think they will -- hiring an external investigator showed good faith, in my opinion.

I think the "toxic culture" is a stretch at best, and McwTerps has already talked about that.  Funny how during her stay on campus she happened not to run into the dozens of players who are all in for the current coach and his ways, and have said so (not anonymously) in the past few days.  Oh, what some will do for a sexy headline...
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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2018, 06:14:16 PM »
I'm not the guy who's going to come here with extra info or even a strong opinion and say it's a toxic environment, but the fact that dozens of players are willing to say they're all-in for their coach in no way rules out that the culture is also toxic. That's still a question worth fleshing out. And polling the players on whether Durkin is a super guy who's maximizing their potential fleshes nothing.
Hopefully my qualifier is believed. I'm definitely not ragging on UMd. Just saying that player support means almost nothing here.
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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2018, 06:21:10 PM »
I'm not the guy who's going to come here with extra info or even a strong opinion and say it's a toxic environment, but the fact that dozens of players are willing to say they're all-in for their coach in no way rules out that the culture is also toxic. That's still a question worth fleshing out. And polling the players on whether Durkin is a super guy who's maximizing their potential fleshes nothing.
Hopefully my qualifier is believed. I'm definitely not ragging on UMd. Just saying that player support means almost nothing here.
Of course not.  But nor are they outweighed by the cherry-picked/anonymous interviews presented in the article, which has made an indelible impression on so many people.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2018, 06:27:04 PM by JerseyTerrapin »

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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2018, 07:01:48 PM »
That's fair, but except insofar as the building narrative might influence future recruits even if Durkin deserves to be cleared and ultimately is ... that indelible impression on others is just par for the course and of minimal significance

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Re: Maryland said to have toxic football culture - ESPN
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2018, 08:15:00 PM »
You think he came back for his 5th year, and Prince for his 4th, if it was "toxic"?


https://twitter.com/Teamgrayy/status/950436970374795264?s=19

This is a hit job, and Heather bringing up old information about Jordan's death, BEFORE that article came out, screams hit job. 

She's doing the lawyers work for him. He probably contacted her. Talked to disgruntled players like Malik Jones, and staff like Tyler Bowen at PSU, and continued without any integrity. 

Again, 80° day in May, and your first thought should be heat stroke? These kids drink Gatorade, energy drinks, supplements, and whatever else  that raise heart rate and temperature.

These things can also cause seizures.

The Freddy Gray lawyer is the lawyer here, and Heather is helping sway opinion.  Period. 

The players are talking about boycotting the season if Durkin doesn't come back.

Toxic? I don't think so. 

 

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