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To be fair, it is a stupid system. Most people want to believe we have smart systems, so they assume competence where none exists.

To be fair, you think it is a stupid system. Some of us believe that it works well as intended and its intentions are a good thing.

Do you all consider a hamburger to be a sandwich?

an item of food consisting of two pieces of bread with meat, cheese, or other filling between them, eaten as a light meal.

So a hot dog is a sandwich as well?

So a hot dog is a sandwich as well?

Using that definition, I would say yes.

I saw an interesting opinion piece the other day that said that when asked in a professional survey, only 3-4% of Democrats or Republicans believe that violence is appropriate if the "other side" wins, but that about 48-50% think that the other side thinks it is.

As Badge is fond of saying, the reality is that we are a much more moderate and unified nation than the agitators would have you believe, but the agitation has led to a great deal more mistrust of "the other side" than we have previously had. This is an interesting conundrum that I truly hope that our leaders--on both sides--will work to remedy.

I know that in politics--as in any competition--the actors play to win, but unlike other competitions, the overarching point of politics isn't supposed to be winning, it's supposed to be good governance. If that's not what the politician is in it for, then they shouldn't be in it. Alas, we all have different opinions about who that last statement should apply to, and unquestionably, power is a corrupting influence.

Surveys make for nice conversations.  They feed “ theory” and debate. 

Then there are real life things that we see, CLEARLY, with our eyes. 

I don’t know how anyone can credibly debate those things.  The violence, destruction, looting and all of that which we witnessed all summer are clearly not Trump supporters.  Can’t you just admit that? 

If you want to wax eloquently about the “ why” and somehow come up with a conspiracy theory about how all of those Antifa animals are really Trump supporters in drag- have at it. 

Using that definition, I would say yes.

Not really talking about definitions in a dictionary, more like, what do each of us consider it to be?

If someone has a bag of fast food, and pulls out a wrapped product and says to you "Wow, take a look at this freaking sandwich!"-- are you expecting to see a hot dog?  Hamburger?  Or more like a ham on rye or a reuben or something?

To be fair, it is a stupid system. Most people want to believe we have smart systems, so they assume competence where none exists.

No, it’s not. The fact that you say it’s a stupid system astounds me. 

The founders of this country were a HELL of a lot smarter than anyone involved in government today.