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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #1736 on: January 18, 2021, 12:56:49 PM »
The optics of firing ANOTHER coach so soon are already bad enough.

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« Reply #1737 on: January 18, 2021, 12:59:38 PM »
Winning >>>>>>>> optics

Winning trumps all.  

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« Reply #1738 on: January 18, 2021, 01:05:13 PM »
because winning = $$$
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« Reply #1739 on: January 18, 2021, 01:16:20 PM »
College football bids farewell to Urban Meyer, who will try to succeed where so many have failed (cbssports.com)

This is why I pay little attention to sports writers.  I can get equal or better prognostications around here.  Granted, my own would have been as bad or worse of course.

The season is only loosely predictable.
Is that a prognostication?

It reads like a meditation on a man he knows. Not the greatest piece in the world, just a small piece of somewhat interesting perspective. 

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« Reply #1740 on: January 18, 2021, 01:18:38 PM »
LOL @ Tennessee.  I thought you were supposed to be good when you cheated.  Yeesh.  The dumpster fire rages on!
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« Reply #1741 on: January 18, 2021, 01:19:47 PM »
Winning >>>>>>>> optics

Winning trumps all. 
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« Reply #1742 on: January 18, 2021, 01:20:21 PM »
I think it's nice when a sportswriter revisits his earlier posts.  One thing fun about CFB is the teams that "come out of nowhere", and the apparently great teams that implode.

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« Reply #1743 on: January 18, 2021, 01:23:37 PM »
I have pondered how many poor seasons it takes before a program simply fades from view, how much turnover with the HC, etc.  Obviously, it depends, Cincinnati could do it in 2 years probably.  Michigan?  They have not imploded like Tennessee of late, I'd opine Tenn is on the precipice.

Another coach with a rebuilding job and no guarantees of doing much better in 2-3 years.

Of course, a great or near great coach can turn it around quickly.

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« Reply #1744 on: January 18, 2021, 01:35:17 PM »
I have pondered how many poor seasons it takes before a program simply fades from view, how much turnover with the HC, etc.  Obviously, it depends, Cincinnati could do it in 2 years probably.  Michigan?  They have not imploded like Tennessee of late, I'd opine Tenn is on the precipice.

Another coach with a rebuilding job and no guarantees of doing much better in 2-3 years.

Of course, a great or near great coach can turn it around quickly.
They have the booster support to recruit. So it's a matter of finding someone who keeps shit together. 

I honestly thought Jones did a relatively good job to a point. And then the damn bottom dropped out. 

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« Reply #1745 on: January 18, 2021, 01:42:24 PM »
They likely can manage to be ranked in the teens in most years, recruitingwise.  That might get them 9-4 seasons with a good coach (not great, just gooc).

Tennessee Volunteers Football Record By Year | College Football at Sports-Reference.com (sports-reference.com)

Their last ten win season was 2007, also their last final ranking in the top 20.  Jones managed 9-4 twice in his tenure, which isn't terrible for a record those years.  At some point, the top level recruits simply don't even think of you unless they are in state, and even then.

And they are paired with Alabama each year.

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« Reply #1746 on: January 18, 2021, 01:44:00 PM »
I have pondered how many poor seasons it takes before a program simply fades from view, how much turnover with the HC, etc.  Obviously, it depends, Cincinnati could do it in 2 years probably.  Michigan?  They have not imploded like Tennessee of late, I'd opine Tenn is on the precipice.

Another coach with a rebuilding job and no guarantees of doing much better in 2-3 years.

Of course, a great or near great coach can turn it around quickly.
I think, like most of anything, it comes down to recruiting. 

Michigan still gets good recruits, even through the Rodriguez/Hoke coaching years. Notre Dame, as they went through the Davie/Willingham/Weis coaching run, still got good recruits. I don't know as much about Alabama, but I'll bet that between Stallings and Saban they didn't fall off the map completely regarding recruiting. 

That, to me, is the key. If you're still recruiting well through non-performing coaches, you're still a helmet team. When the recruiting fades, is when you're in danger of falling off. 

That's also the difference with coaches that are overperforming. If you have a coach that is really good at spotting, coaching up, and developing talent, we'll say a Ferentz or a Dantonio, you can look really good. But if the recruiting actually doesn't uptick, as soon as that coach is gone you see a falloff. 

Football success at the collegiate level* is a function of talent+coaching. The "haves" are the haves because they have the talent, regardless of whether they have good coaches. When they get a coach that matches that talent, they're perennial NY6/CFP contenders. The have-nots, however, may have great outlier years where they might see the NY6 or CFP based on coaching rather than talent [and luck], but when they get there and face a team that has both talent & coaching, they get exposed. 

 * Truth is it's talent+coaching at all levels. But in college, talent is based on recruiting, which is a naturally unequal playing field. In most pro sports, there are drafts and salary caps, which brings all teams much closer to parity in talent levels unless they've got horrible management. 

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« Reply #1747 on: January 18, 2021, 01:59:53 PM »
If one has offers from say Bama, Ohio State, Clemson, UGA, Auburn, Florida, Texas, and the like, does Tennessee compete with that?


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« Reply #1748 on: January 18, 2021, 02:18:05 PM »
Who do they think they are going to hire?

Urban just went to the NFL. Jon Gruden is busy. Vince Lombardi is dead.
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« Reply #1749 on: January 18, 2021, 02:27:29 PM »
Bo Pelini and Mike Riley are available
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