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Topic: Game Changer / NIL

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utee94

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2021, 07:16:35 PM »
That's where I'm at. I don't worry too much about what players OSU is getting... As if Purdue was ever in the running for any of them?

Guys like Rondale Moore, David Bell, George Karlaftis could go to a helmet team and be a depth piece... Or they can come to Purdue and be freakin' superstars.
Maybe, maybe not...

It depends... Is there any NIL value in being a deep bench player on a helmet team? Would some of those players actually choose to be stars at lesser programs?

What about the QB position? It's HARD to see the field, even as a 5*, at the big helmet teams. A player like that would be an immediate starter at some lower school and would be THE face of the program... With the $$$ that comes with it.

It won't help the G5 much, but the payoff for being a superstar at a mid-level P5 might be more compelling than being an also-ran at a helmet...

But it's not a level playing field.  Deep pockets at a rich helmet can match or exceed whatever personally-earned status a player can get at a smaller school, IF the boosters at that rich helmet so choose.

As I said, I envision the wealthy boosters treating players as a managed risk portfolio.  Some will hit.  Many won't.  How much the wealthy booster is willing to risk in his portfolio, is entirely related to his own personal vision of success for his favorite team.  They won't be expecting some financial gain from their investments, only wins on the field.  Is it worth it to a wealthy booster to pay a talented player MORE than he could earn at a smaller program, just to ride the bench as insurance? 

For some of those guys, I have no doubt the answer is "yes." 

Even so, there will still be players that simply want to play, instead of ride the bench, same as there are now.  But I suspect it will take a while before equilibrium is established.

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2021, 08:05:09 PM »
But it's not a level playing field.  Deep pockets at a rich helmet can match or exceed whatever personally-earned status a player can get at a smaller school, IF the boosters at that rich helmet so choose.

As I said, I envision the wealthy boosters treating players as a managed risk portfolio.  Some will hit.  Many won't.  How much the wealthy booster is willing to risk in his portfolio, is entirely related to his own personal vision of success for his favorite team.  They won't be expecting some financial gain from their investments, only wins on the field.  Is it worth it to a wealthy booster to pay a talented player MORE than he could earn at a smaller program, just to ride the bench as insurance? 

For some of those guys, I have no doubt the answer is "yes." 

Even so, there will still be players that simply want to play, instead of ride the bench, same as there are now.  But I suspect it will take a while before equilibrium is established.
I'm going to confess that I have no idea what various boosters can spend or whatnot. But there seems to be a flaw here - doesn't Kansas have rich boosters? I know Okie State had at least one rich booster. Does Alabama really have more rich boosters than, say, Ole Miss? I dunno.

BUT, I do know that having boosters contribute money to get a proven player to come to campus might be an easier sell than adding more weight rooms or getting higher priced coaches. More bang for the buck, as they say.

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2021, 08:15:27 PM »
Most boosters with Big Checkbooks are unknown, to us peons.  I was at an Ole Miss game and by chance was invited to a tailgate.  It was lavash.  We went back after the game and several Ole Miss players showed up to watch other games, they had three wide screens going.  I slowly figured out someone there, I did not know who, was wealthy, and very generous.  I tried to give them some money and was told not to, at all.  They plied us with drinks and food, they paid some outfit to set it all up for them.

I never knew who fronted it.  It might well be someone with "only" say $10 million net worth, but there were probably 20 more like him, and probably 5 more worth ten times what he was.  Those guys pull the strings.


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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #45 on: June 10, 2021, 09:24:37 PM »
boosters of substance
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #46 on: June 10, 2021, 10:46:00 PM »
We know Ole Miss has some rich boosters, thanks to their 2013 recruiting class.  
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2021, 12:21:56 AM »
We know Ole Miss has some rich boosters, thanks to their 2013 recruiting class. 
We also know that the LOSING bid for Cam Newton's services, was $180,000.  We don't know what Auburn's WINNING bid might have been.

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« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2021, 12:39:53 AM »
Imagine if he never stole that laptop at Florida.  Newton succeeds Tebow.  Meyer stays longer.  Maybe Saban doesn't become Saban.  
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2021, 12:51:45 AM »
Imagine if he never stole that laptop at Florida.  Newton succeeds Tebow.  Meyer stays longer.  Maybe Saban doesn't become Saban. 
It boggles the mind.

Also, if Colt McCoy doesn't get injured early in the 2009 season championship game, Texas wins, Saban's Alabama team loses its first shot, and Saban doesn't become Saban.

Food for thought... 

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #50 on: June 11, 2021, 01:14:21 AM »
Yeah, those situations are similar. 
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #51 on: June 11, 2021, 08:03:44 AM »
Imagine if he never stole that laptop at Florida.  Newton succeeds Tebow.  Meyer stays longer.  Maybe Saban doesn't become Saban. 
Wasn’t there some other set of issues with him at Florida?

That would’ve made 2009 interesting for sure. 

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #52 on: June 11, 2021, 08:31:59 AM »
My guess is the relevant programs in G5 have some deep pockets in the background calling shots.  When they call the AD, he answers immediately.  Maybe at times he doesn't do exactly what they ask, but he listens.  Those luxo-boxes ain't cheap.  

I was invited to one at a Reds game back in the day, well the wife was and I tagged along.  Few paid ANY attention to the game, it was a schmooze fest.  There were some kids and moms who sat in the seats watching  a bit, most of the men stood around chatting, maybe they'd look out when the crowd made noise.

I found a corner and hid.  They had a dude mixing top shelf drinks and some serious horse's douvers.  The wife had to schmooze a bit, she'd look over at me and smile, crookedly, and told me later I should have schmoozed a bit, the head of GEAE was there and I had met him once before.

I didn't see a point.  And that was MLB, it gave some insight, perhaps, into those luxo boxes at Ole Miss games.

They built MB stadium here for $1.5 billion, and the Georgia Dome was less than 30 years old and still in good shape, but not enough luxos.

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #53 on: June 11, 2021, 08:37:25 AM »
We also know that the LOSING bid for Cam Newton's services, was $180,000.  We don't know what Auburn's WINNING bid might have been.
crazy to think we could see kids getting $500,000 or over 1 million to play college football, but it's now very possible
unless there are some "rules" preventing it
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2021, 09:57:08 AM »
I doubt it will be as prevalent as you think.

How many NFL players are making millions off of endorsement deals? A dozen?
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #55 on: June 11, 2021, 09:59:35 AM »
Utee has pointed out........ donors of substance don't care if they get ROI

Auburn's booster didn't make a dime from Cam Newton
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