What are teams out in the boonies going to do? Penn St, Clemson, etc don't have much in the way of major corporations nearby.The schools with deep pocket donors are going to win this thing.
Helmet teams in major metropolitan areas should be able to separate from the pack in theory.
Yeah but the recruits are going to notice on their campus visits that Columbus has a bunch of gigantic corporations, while Clemson has a gas station and a BBQ stand.yer giving recruits too much credit
What are teams out in the boonies going to do? Penn St, Clemson, etc don't have much in the way of major corporations nearby.This is old-timey thinking. Actual physical location is basically meaningless today.
Helmet teams in major metropolitan areas should be able to separate from the pack in theory.
Donors may be more involved than giant corporations. Let's say Coke endorses some Dawg player, now Tiger and Yellowjacket fans (or fan) won't buy Coke.Dont worry, all 3 will be under the Coke Umbrella, or some such invention.
not many folks in Nebraska, but they will give til it hurtsI once went out with a Middle Blocker in Lincoln and we were at a USHL hockey game, girls were coming up to her for autographs. It helps to be 6-3 I guess. There's marketable value in some pockets of college towns big and small. Small time ad spends are quite common for the local teams, not a stretch to see it carry over in having the local phenom do a car ad or two.
Pretty cool. I think women in sports are going to do pretty well on this thing. Instagram drives a lot of eyeballs and dollar signs nationally. Locally, it will be nice to see guys film a spot for local companies.
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So Less Wexner is about to load up the OSU W Sports rosters with aspiring Victoria Secret models?
Nice.
I am less than convinced that this will change the game all that much.yup, Johnny Rogers is still making a few bucks from his college football fame. He's not turned that into a billion over the years.
Schools with lots of money tend to do better than schools without. They have spent a long time finding ways to spend money to explain why their is no extra money. Schools still hold the means of production, and will thusly still make most of the money. Their players are following their hand out example, and will soon learn they're not all that valuable, but just a little valuable in 99 percent of cases. Everyone will get to capitalism.
Are there any other cities the size of Columbus where the college team is the centerpiece of their sports world? Most cities of that size go all in on pro sports.When USC or UCLA are good, then LA perhaps. Still, I think the Dodgers and Lakers are the centerpieces, no matter.
Yeah, Austin is similarly situated.and, they have the Longhorn Network for advertising dollars/opportunities
and, they have the Longhorn Network for advertising dollars/opportunities
ESPN owns the LHN, I don't think it would be any particular advantage with respect to the discussion at hand, which is basically, funneling corporate dollars to college athletes.I'm guessing a 30 second ad on the LHN is affordable to more folks than on ESPN or ESPN2
I'm guessing a 30 second ad on the LHN is affordable to more folks than on ESPN or ESPN2But I'm not seeing the mechanism where this puts money into a college athlete's pocket?
could be a price point that gets some dollars that otherwise might not be available. maybe not
Yup, the amount of "abuse" will be epic as boosters figure out the angles, and they almost certainly are doing that now, and have likely finished.
of course the likeness doesn't have to be used, but it certainly could be used to advertise something in a 60 second time slot on the LHN.I mean it could, but why? The point isn't to actually use the likeness. The point is to find a way to funnel money to athletes.
most legislators in Nebraska's unicameral State Senate understand University Sports programs are a major asset to the state.
well, it's illegal to promise a recruit $$$Well, it was, anyway.
;)
You don't have to promise a recruit anything. The payments will all be above board, so it won't take too many years to see the value of playing a specific position on a specific team. When they see that the value to a 'Bama player is a lot higher than the value to an LSU player, it'll take care of itself without a single promise needing to be made.Exactly. Like I said, the Free Market will determine the rates.
ed zacherySure. And Ohio State and Indiana. And Oregon and Oregon State. And ____insert a dozen teams here___ and ___insert 100 teams here____.
and any player in a P5 conference gets much more than the wannabees
talk about slanting the field and killing competition
the stark difference between Texas and Kansas is going to grow exponentially
ed zacheryIs it though? Does Kansas have any players right now that Texas would take? How could the gap be any bigger?
and any player in a P5 conference gets much more than the wannabees
talk about slanting the field and killing competition
the stark difference between Texas and Kansas is going to grow exponentially
Is it though? Does Kansas have any players right now that Texas would take? How could the gap be any bigger?That's where I'm at. I don't worry too much about what players OSU is getting... As if Purdue was ever in the running for any of them?
they might have one or twoMaybe, maybe not...
they won't have going forward
That's where I'm at. I don't worry too much about what players OSU is getting... As if Purdue was ever in the running for any of them?
Guys like Rondale Moore, David Bell, George Karlaftis could go to a helmet team and be a depth piece... Or they can come to Purdue and be freakin' superstars.
Maybe, maybe not...
It depends... Is there any NIL value in being a deep bench player on a helmet team? Would some of those players actually choose to be stars at lesser programs?
What about the QB position? It's HARD to see the field, even as a 5*, at the big helmet teams. A player like that would be an immediate starter at some lower school and would be THE face of the program... With the $$$ that comes with it.
It won't help the G5 much, but the payoff for being a superstar at a mid-level P5 might be more compelling than being an also-ran at a helmet...
But it's not a level playing field. Deep pockets at a rich helmet can match or exceed whatever personally-earned status a player can get at a smaller school, IF the boosters at that rich helmet so choose.I'm going to confess that I have no idea what various boosters can spend or whatnot. But there seems to be a flaw here - doesn't Kansas have rich boosters? I know Okie State had at least one rich booster. Does Alabama really have more rich boosters than, say, Ole Miss? I dunno.
As I said, I envision the wealthy boosters treating players as a managed risk portfolio. Some will hit. Many won't. How much the wealthy booster is willing to risk in his portfolio, is entirely related to his own personal vision of success for his favorite team. They won't be expecting some financial gain from their investments, only wins on the field. Is it worth it to a wealthy booster to pay a talented player MORE than he could earn at a smaller program, just to ride the bench as insurance?
For some of those guys, I have no doubt the answer is "yes."
Even so, there will still be players that simply want to play, instead of ride the bench, same as there are now. But I suspect it will take a while before equilibrium is established.
We know Ole Miss has some rich boosters, thanks to their 2013 recruiting class.We also know that the LOSING bid for Cam Newton's services, was $180,000. We don't know what Auburn's WINNING bid might have been.
Imagine if he never stole that laptop at Florida. Newton succeeds Tebow. Meyer stays longer. Maybe Saban doesn't become Saban.It boggles the mind.
Imagine if he never stole that laptop at Florida. Newton succeeds Tebow. Meyer stays longer. Maybe Saban doesn't become Saban.Wasn’t there some other set of issues with him at Florida?
We also know that the LOSING bid for Cam Newton's services, was $180,000. We don't know what Auburn's WINNING bid might have been.crazy to think we could see kids getting $500,000 or over 1 million to play college football, but it's now very possible
Utee has pointed out........ donors of substance don't care if they get ROIYup. For the most part, the players won't be paid the market value of the worth of their likeness as an endorsement. That bit is pretty much irrelevant.
Auburn's booster didn't make a dime from Cam Newton
That's true, but I would argue this case did have some mainstream interest, and a political nexus, things that typically prevent 9-0 type decisions.Agreed. Look no further than the party-line split that is occurring in the Senate regarding the details surrounding a national NIL bill.
https://twitter.com/SportsLawGuy/status/1406986290009157634?s=19And that's what I noted above. His concurrence was a bigger problem for the NCAA than the case before the court today
Recommend everyone who is interested read the full decision: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20969583/20-512_gfbh.pdfNo, it doesn't have the force of law. But it sure as hell ain't going to slow down lawsuits aimed at the NCAA and his quote will be in every single brief before lower courts.
In truth, the majority opinion seems not particularly remarkable, nor particularly wide-ranging. They basically rubber-stamped the Ninth Circuit decision and said that the NCAA had no compelling arguments to reverse it.
Beyond that, the final portions of the majority opinion were actually quite deferential to the NCAA. Essentially they didn't say "you can't regulate this", they said "you can't prohibit this, but you can enact regulations and limits to ensure that academic/educational benefits are legitimate and pro-competitive".
Kavanaugh's concurring opinion raises eyebrows, but that's about all it can do legally. While the majority opinion has the force of law, his concurrence does not. And it's telling that no other justices signed on to his concurrence. It's a nothing-burger.
No, it doesn't have the force of law. But it sure as hell ain't going to slow down lawsuits aimed at the NCAA and his quote will be in every single brief before lower courts.True. Although I think the majority opinion itself will be plenty capable of spurring on the lawsuits.
True. Although I think the majority opinion itself will be plenty capable of spurring on the lawsuits.This particular case was limited, and that's how the court ruled.
One has to wonder how this will affect the athletic departments as a whole. Will they still build ever more lavish facilities? Will they still pay coaches ever increasing salaries (I think we're touching that $10 million mark now for the upper guys). I mean if the players are really going to be paid, (and I think we all know it's coming that they will be getting money directly from the university in the next 2-5 years) will it mean less money for coaches etc? And what about the other sports?
And if you really think about it does Alabama really have deeper pockets than say an A&M or Texas? Could some "lesser" schools potentially outbid the premier helmet programs for certain players services? I would say that there have to be some really deep pockets associated with schools like Michigan, Stanford, USC. Heck maybe even TCU and Baylor could outbid some of the big boys, SMU already did it once before. All it would take would be a really involved billionaire of the Phil Knight stature to prop up a program. Imagine if Boone Pickens could have done this 20+ years ago. Heck maybe his trust and estate is already set up to do it.
I can totally see the major market programs in large metropolitan areas easily having an advantage. Just because someone has bought into a players NIL doesn't mean they can own the whole enchilada. For example, how many brands does Peyton Manning pimp? One player can have multiple endorsements with multiple businesses. Car dealerships, restaurants, the list is endless and not necessarily exclusive.
high school seniors are going to need agentsThe good ones already have them.
The good ones already have them.uncle joe will be phased out by some real agents looking for bigger money
They call them "trainers" or "7-on-7 coaches" or "Uncle Joe" or whatever, but they all, already have them.
uncle joe will be phased out by some real agents looking for bigger moneyFor sure. I'm just pointing out that they already have agents.
Yeah, some of those are kind of alarming.Maybe their official athletics account social media presence is more interesting and follow-worthy?
How can some of those teams possibly have a bigger following than Penn St or Michigan?
Iowa? Maryland? Michigan State?! Minnesota!
Maybe because they're down-market teams, the fans realize they can't get any good info out of mainstream sports media so they *have* to follow social media to get news--this would make sense in the state of MI where I'm sure M gets WAY more media coverage than MSU....
No, because Ohio State has won multiple MNC in the last several decades. Some fans are just front-runners...
Well then wouldn't they be ahead of Ohio St too?
Hell, I even follow the Wolverine accounts.Better let their coach know if they are eating any chicken
Gotta keep an eye on what those sneaky little weasels are up to. :098:
Ohio State has a whole state of fans. Plus some Yankee/Cowboy/Celtics fams
Well then wouldn't they be ahead of Ohio St too?
Better let their coach know if they are eating any chickenHeh, not the individual players. The official athletic accounts, as measured by the chart.
those within the industry are moronsEh, we are dialed in. How many college athletes are household names? My wife hates baseball, and I bet she could name more MLB players than college football players. So if she's big locally, that carries weight
Instagram is one thing, not the big thing
when a woman gymnast is the top $$$ earning college athlete I'll eat my hatIf you look up Olivia Dunne's IG, you'll understand why she's so popular... Kinda like Paige Spiranac.
(fingers crossed)
If you look up Olivia Dunne's IG, you'll understand why she's so popular... Kinda like Paige Spiranac.Yeah, and she likely won't be getting major commercials, but my guess is you'll start seeing a lot of product placement showing up in her IG
those within the industry are moronsclicks and eyeballs........instagram isn't just instagram - it's tic-tok, a youtube channel, it's twitch, it's NSFW Onlyfans if she wants, etc......it's all connected and it all makes money.
Instagram is one thing, not the big thing
If you look up Olivia Dunne's IG, you'll understand why she's so popular....
1.1 million IG followers really is a metric shit-tonne.And Lexi can make some money too!
Nebraska's star senior Volleyball player Lexi Sun only has 75k, by comparison.
And Lexi can make some money too!
This is gonna get really icky.A very small handful of NCAA college athletes will make any serious money from legitimate NIL deals. But I think quite a few will at least be able to make some pocket money, some pizza and beer money, and that's not a bad thing.
why are you so certain it's going to eliminate the dirty underhanded dealings?Because there's no longer any need for them?
well, there are still rules and rules are made to be broken
new trans ams aren't legal but might still encourage a kid to sign
I hope you're right, I'm not convinced
why would the kid work at this new game if he could just be handed a bag full of money?
no reason until the state or the NCAA steps in, because the wild wild world of sports scares them
oh it's legalWell, one rule that will no doubt be broken, is that some of the state laws I've seen (including Texas' law) prohibit the NIL licensing contract from being offered before a student is enrolled at a school, and it cannot be contingent on attending a particular school.
but, there will be rules
the coaching staff can't hand out bags of cash
Again, they won't need to. The boosters will be able to do it completely legally.However another way to look at it is that any gains achieved by such infractions in the past will no longer be available to such coaches
I'm pretty sure most coaches that have previously been involved in the shady stuff, will be delighted to no longer be operating in violation of NCAA rules, risking their livelihoods and their careers if they get caught.
However another way to look at it is that any gains achieved by such infractions in the past will no longer be available to such coaches
kinda like legalizing pot put a dent in illegal drug trade
IT doesn't need to be available to the coaches. Coaching staffs will no longer need bagmen. The boosters can do it all above the table now.but thats my point
but thats my pointSchools with wealthier boosters will be able to take advantage. Schools that don't have such wealthy boosters won't.
programs will not be able to get an advantage because everybody will do it
sad but true
This is gonna get really icky.It may just be revealing the existing ickiness.
So, Ole Miss and Auburn aren't really in the same set. Auburn is rich, much more so than Ole Miss. Auburn is more rich in the sense that they spend because they're crazy, but they paid their coach and staff more than the richest athletic department in the land.
I can imagine that the schools that will suffer the biggest negative change compared to current status quo, are the ones that were willing to get really dirty, but don't actually have the same financial backing from boosters, as the really big guys. Schools like Ole Miss or Auburn for example. They were willing and able to buy players brazenly, but they weren't competing against wealthier schools that weren't as willing to get dirty and play ball.
Now those wealthier schools that mostly stayed above the purchasing of players, will be able to engage in it full-throttle.
This is gonna get really icky.Part of the tradition, I suppose.
I'm sure it will slow down, but I'm enjoying the day one flourish. I miss you has a backup offensive lineman pimping gushers now. And our kicker is promoting an MSU podcast from a boat. Some Illinois walk-on got paid a dollar to post a picture of himself with some supplement on TwitterThat podcast thing was hilarious
That podcast thing was hilariousThe one host of that podcast could really go places. He's way too good to be an MSU freelance writer and podcast host. Sports media is just such a tough industry to break into. His co-host is the exact type who should be hosting a team-centric podcast.
I'm sure it will slow down, but I'm enjoying the day one flourish. I miss you has a backup offensive lineman pimping gushers now. And our kicker is promoting an MSU podcast from a boat. Some Illinois walk-on got paid a dollar to post a picture of himself with some supplement on Twitter
Indeed. Caught it the second time
Talk to text?
So, Ole Miss and Auburn aren't really in the same set. Auburn is rich, much more so than Ole Miss. Auburn is more rich in the sense that they spend because they're crazy, but they paid their coach and staff more than the richest athletic department in the land.
I'll be interested in how it plays out because the teams you mention in bold, I'm unconvinced there's a big roster of them. Some schools have been more brazen, while others have not, but in the end, if you were landing classes that were in the same range or better than the brazen cheaters, it seems unconvincing that you didn't have someone helping out somewhere. Maybe not like Auburn, but probably some.
The sport has long been stratified across financial lines (more defined by rabid fan passion than just wealth). After that, it comes down to coaching and to a lesser extent, geography.
well, Texas hasn't been caught. We know that, we don't know how dirty they've been in the pastwhat a stupid statement
well, Texas hasn't been caught. We know that, we don't know how dirty they've been in the pastCaught bidding for players on the open market? Yeah, you're gonna have to provide links to support this assertion.
Caught bidding for players on the open market? Yeah, you're gonna have to provide links to support this assertion.I said, they haven't been caught.
I said, they haven't been caught.Yup, we sure do. Eric Dickerson made it clear he was for sale, and only three schools were bidding for his services. The one that got him, by setting him up with a $1 million annuity, the one that gave him the gold Trans Am, and the loose ship with players playing with guns in the dorms, you know the one, up there in Norman.
We know that
we don't know if they offered something to Eric Dickerson and outbid by SMU
well, Texas hasn't been caught. We know that, we don't know how dirty they've been in the past
If so, then they suck at that too.Recruiting classes have been pretty good, but player development has been complete crap, for over a decade now.
They haven't had more than five players selected in the NFL draft since 2010. Only one guy picked in each 16 and 17.
Eh, I'm basically comparing them to Texas. Neither one is anywhere close to the same tier financially, and Texas has never engaged in the kind of brazen player purchasing that Auburn and Ole Miss have.Harvard, Yale, Princeton.
Aside from Texas, what are the very wealthy schools that aren't all that dirty? I don't know. I guess I'd start with a list of the wealthiest schools, and then try to determine how clean they've been, compared to the really dirty cheater schools, you know, like Ole Miss and Auburn.
Yup, we sure do. Eric Dickerson made it clear he was for sale, and only three schools were bidding for his services. The one that got him, by setting him up with a $1 million annuity, the one that gave him the gold Trans Am, and the loose ship with players playing with guns in the dorms, you know the one, up there in Norman.Bootlegger's Boy
Harvard, Yale, Princeton.If they ever wanted to reenter the game, now would be the time. They certainly have the resources. And they could do it all legal-like now.
Bootlegger's BoyYeah and he was pretty pissed that Craig James got the same sweetheart deal he did.
I suppose we can trust Eric ratted on the "only" 3 schools
I'd be more likely to trust Eric than CraigWell sure, because Craig James Killed Five Hookers while at SMU.
If so, then they suck at that too.last 11 years the number is 37 drafted
They haven't had more than five players selected in the NFL draft since 2010. Only one guy picked in each 16 and 17.
I'm guessing 5 per draftYeah that's what I assume he meant.
Yeah that's what I assume he meant.previous 10 year period there were 42 drafted so the Horns have been doing that for a while
I'm guessing 5 per draft
kinda like Orangeman singled out BYUWho else is restricting their student-athletes from promoting such things?
The NIL law in Texas restricts the promotion of sex, selling sex in any way, selling sexually related products, etc. I haven't looked at any of the other statutes but I'd imagine many of the state laws have such a provision.Just gotta sell swimwear, or undergarments, or vacuums, being used while wearing undergarments around the house.
Fwiw, BYU's restrictions are as follows.well that settles it I cant play for BYU cause I like all four
- Alcohol
- gambling
- adult entertainment
- coffee
"Caffeinated beverages" other than coffee are not mentioned at all.
Now back to your regularly scheduled hyperbole.
it's sillyat least we have a real mascot and not some guy walking around in a costume
so is having a cow named Ralphie as a mascot or a balless steer named bevo as your mascot
As opposed to an amply balled steer?no such thing
It's pretty awesome that we have freedom and choice in this country.Cheers to that.
Happy 4th of July.
that's not sillyso is a stray cat so what
Herbie Husker is silly, but he's free to roam the sidelines
it's sillyWell as far as I know, none of those animals holds public office and steers legislation along strict religious lines.
so is having a cow named Ralphie as a mascot or a balless steer named bevo as your mascot
It's pretty awesome that we have freedom and choice in this country.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVGINIsLnqU
Happy 4th of July.
Well as far as I know, none of those animals holds public office and steers legislation along strict religious lines.He'd win the White House too.
Although if Bevo ran for governor, I'm 100% afraid he'd win, for real.
This is the world we live in.
He'd win the White House too.better then a potted plant
that's not silly
Herbie Husker is silly, but he's free to roam the sidelines
Former Ohio State Buckeyes quarterback Terrelle Pryor has asked the NCAA to re-instate his team's vacated wins from the 2010 season, one marred by suspensions and NCAA penalties that followed an investigation into improper benefits and profiting from personal merchandise. Pryor and four teammates — DeVier Posey, Solomon Thomas, Mike Adams and Dan Herron — were suspended by the NCAA for the first five games of the 2011 campaign after selling personal championship rings and jerseys. The NCAA also found the players received improper benefits, later made public as free tattoos, previously in their careers.That whole scandal was pretty dopey. Restore the wins too avoid the embarrassment of trying to explain the NCAA's role to people in 30 years.
Under current name, image and likeness revisions, Pryor and his teammates would've been able to profit off of their personal brands at Ohio State without a violation.
"The affirmation of NCAA athletes' right to make a living from their name, image and likeness is a huge step in the right direction," Pryor's Tuesday statement with teammates read, in part. "Armed with the correct resources and support, we know they'll show what we felt to be true all along — not letting athletes capitalize on what ultimately is their hard work was unjust and unnecessary."
https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/Article/Ohio-State-Buckeyes-football-Terrelle-Pryor-vacated-wins-tattoos-2010-season-name-image-likeness-167729991/?fbclid=IwAR1GrZnkWc-A32dyZB8h7UMzj7ppS_EhtviHbX3xgmgCTpnuNEKcxQ9Z7q4 (https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/Article/Ohio-State-Buckeyes-football-Terrelle-Pryor-vacated-wins-tattoos-2010-season-name-image-likeness-167729991/?fbclid=IwAR1GrZnkWc-A32dyZB8h7UMzj7ppS_EhtviHbX3xgmgCTpnuNEKcxQ9Z7q4)
good luck, I assume free tats are still improper benefits
That whole scandal was pretty dopey. Restore the wins too avoid the embarrassment of trying to explain the NCAA's role to people in 30 years.Under that logic are they going to give SMU back their two years they didn't play ball in the 80's? Will A&M be credited with the 1994 SWC championship?
College football will change indelibly. Who will benefit? Oregon through Nike. Maryland through Underarmour. I do not see schools like Iowa, Nebraska, and Wisconsin benefitting. It will mostly be the schools in states with high populations and large corporate sponsorships. I don't see Kum & Go, Pioneer Hi-bred, and Mediacom having the bucks to now also sponsor / pay-off Iowa / Iowa State players.just takes the right booster that cares enough
In the Big Ten, I am thinking Michigan, the Illinois schools, and Ohio State benefit.
Under that logic are they going to give SMU back their two years they didn't play ball in the 80's? Will A&M be credited with the 1994 SWC championship?I dunno - I'm somewhat familiar with the Pony Express, and not at all with whatever TAMU did. Though I see they got a television ban. Can you imagine a television ban today?
I dunno - I'm somewhat familiar with the Pony Express, and not at all with whatever TAMU did. Though I see they got a television ban. Can you imagine a television ban today?The thing that happened at TAMU in the early 90's was very similar to what happened to OU with Rhett Bomar in the mid 2000's. Players were getting paid for work they didn't do.
In any event the OSU scandal was stupid, the epitome of mindless rule following, and whatever sanctions that punished the players should be reversed.
College football will change indelibly. Who will benefit? Oregon through Nike. Maryland through Underarmour. I do not see schools like Iowa, Nebraska, and Wisconsin benefitting. It will mostly be the schools in states with high populations and large corporate sponsorships. I don't see Kum & Go, Pioneer Hi-bred, and Mediacom having the bucks to now also sponsor / pay-off Iowa / Iowa State players.Penn State should do okay, as well.
In the Big Ten, I am thinking Michigan, the Illinois schools, and Ohio State benefit.
I could be an arsehat for that type of coinYou're already an arsehat, for FREE!
Wow! If that's truly the case this thing will truly further widen the gap. It's like the NFL without the draft. The top programs will just out bid everybody else for the best players.I have zero doubt this will happen. Phil Knight at Oregon comes immediately to mind, but there are plenty of billionaire boosters all over the country.
I wonder what T Boone Pickens would do if he were still alive? Can you imagine a billionaire simply buying the best players?
I have zero doubt this will happen. Phil Knight at Oregon comes immediately to mind, but there are plenty of billionaire boosters all over the country.You're probably not familiar with him but Tillman Fertita of Pappadeaux/Golden Nugget/ Houston Rockets and Billion Dollar Buyer immediately comes to mind for UH.
I guess the main question is how can they write the expenses off. Advertising?Advertising would be the most obvious answer and that gives a guy like Phil Knight an obvious advantage. Isn't the Under Armour guy a Maryland alum?
Advertising would be the most obvious answer and that gives a guy like Phil Knight an obvious advantage. Isn't the Under Armour guy a Maryland alum?Yes he is. Been trying to turn Maryland into the Oregon of the East Coast for a while.
Yes he is. Been trying to turn Maryland into the Oregon of the East Coast for a while.I thought so and this NIL thing just might be his vehicle to do that. Like Phil, he can write it off as advertising and just create a situation in which recruits know that there is money in going to Maryland.
What will we call this board once we all hate professional college football?Cantankerous Farts Blathering 51
Cantankerous Farts Blathering 51To be fair, we probably don't need to wait to change it... It already works.
To be fair, we probably don't need to wait to change it... It already works.We’re like KFC just abandoning Kentucky
I thought "taking it to the next level" meant going to the NFL. Now it means going to college?Well... aren't they, technically?
Do 8th-graders say that they are taking it to the next level when they move up to high school?
Bryce Young has 22 career pass attempts and has made (is making?) $800K.You might have avoided Steve Addazio in the late Urban era?
This is the new normal.
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How long before a Heisman candidate is making more than his OC and doesn't like the play-calling?
Well... aren't they, technically?I suppose so, in the same sense that, when you "graduate" from kindergarten to 1st grade you're taking it to the next level.
How long before a Heisman candidate is making more than his OC and doesn't like the play-calling?like Aron Rogers??
I suppose so, in the same sense that, when you "graduate" from kindergarten to 1st grade you're taking it to the next level.EXACTLY!!!! :)
Or, at the other end of the spectrum of the ridiculous spectrum, if you believe in an afterlife, you're taking it to the next level when you die.
Jack Sawyer was one of the top prospects in the country reeled in by Ohio State. The defensive lineman didn’t take long to cash in on the NIL benefits of college athletics before even taking a snap at the Division 1 level.It used to be that alumni and supporters were restricted from recruiting. Is this now changed? Or do the restrictions exist up until a letter of intent is signed?
Sawyer revealed his new truck from Chevrolet on Monday. In fact, it was courtesy of a big time celebrity.
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https://twitter.com/Borsheims/status/1427616302563213321?s=20
Some faculty members have already spoken out, but isn't this LITERALLY the point of NIL. There are things that are, and should be, equal. But this is about allowing those athletes/programs who bring in additional revenue, to benefit from it.Sure, but some folks believe in complete equality regardless of the free market.
Interesting Data.I'm a little surprised at Wisconsin being the #6 state.
Big Ten leads all Conferences.
Ohio leads all states.
Football leads all sports.
Volleyball is ahead of Basketball.
https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1435954874089447430?s=20
what about women's lacrosse?That was another noticable oddity.
I'm a little surprised at Wisconsin being the #6 state.#5 New England or Nebraska?
#5 New England or Nebraska?You're aware that New England isn't a state, yeah?
There is also no city named Tampa Bay.Because no one city could contain that many strip clubs.
Sure, but some folks believe in complete equality regardless of the free market.Who?
ChinaBeen there. Doesn't seem to be the case. Seems dangerously like a market economy.
Texas, going 5-7, last year is bagging lots of top notch recruits as of late.Sark is still new and unknown at Texas and can play that card for maybe another season. And Texas has one of the strongest NIL games, along with Ohio State, Oregon, and Miami.
yup, someone promises me $100,000Offers a kid a Trans Am in 2022: "I don't want to change my pronouns!"
I want it in writing or upfront
Eric Dickerson got his Trans Am upfront!
Your third string long snapper isn't getting much here. What if NIL monies are pooled and doled out so they have walking around money, not millions, and then get a pension at the end of their playing time?A week after announcing a $200 million facilities project, the Texas Tech football team got another boost Monday when the Matador Club, a local collective, told the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal that it will sign 100 Red Raiders players to one-year, $25,000 NIL contracts.
or all 85 scholarship players plus 15 walk-ons
This overall grant to the team as a whole works for me.But of course that's just one of the things happening.
The NCAA is basically a mall cop, no?They can still make things tough for various programs. Reducing scholarships, enforcing post-season bans.
Quinn, of course, could buy his O-line electric bycycles or some other fancy gadget, or nice post-game meals at the local steakhouse.I think it would be okay, although I will admit that I am not an NCAA compliance expert...
Of would THAT be an NCAA violation of impermissible benefit ?
They can still make things tough for various programs. Reducing scholarships, enforcing post-season bans.Couldn't the school just ignore that? No, we're providing these scholarships. No, the bowl wants us, so we're going to play in it anyway.
I think it would be okay, although I will admit that I am not an NCAA compliance expert...
Couldn't the school just ignore that? No, we're providing these scholarships. No, the bowl wants us, so we're going to play in it anyway.
guessing the other NCAA institutions might frown on that, but it would be interestingRight. The NCAA has only, but exactly, as much power as the member institutions grant to it.
I think revenue sharing should work both waysThere's already a company doing that with minor league baseball players.
the college gets a cut of a players future wages he earns in the pros
If it was a program of a certain strength, is it not as likely other elite programs would side with that school? If their crime wasn't some sort of cheating way of getting better, then who cares? Maybe it would hasten the end of the NCAA with elite football programs..I mean, sure. If a "rogue" school's crime weren't literally backstabbing every other institution by deliberately ignoring rules that many other institutions value and willingly follow, then yeah, they might actually garner some support and challenge the system.
I'm sure some of the elite programs have had serious thoughts, maybe even discussions among themselves about kicking the NCAA to the curb.
They just haven't come up with a better solution for now
Couldn't the school just ignore that? No, we're providing these scholarships. No, the bowl wants us, so we're going to play in it anyway.
Where did I propose a specific scenario??
The problem is all the other non-football non-revenue sports. Where do you park them? Who governs them? Who calls the shots and makes the rules?the same entity that governs the top football programs
the same entity that governs the top football programsSo just to be clear, you're suggesting (or envisioning, not trying to put words in your mouth), that the top X number of football schools would breakway from the existing conference structure and existing NCAA structure, both at the same time, and create new conferences/high-level governing body for ALL member school sports, but would consist only of the top X number of football programs?
just like today
it's really just another governing body, it's just not called the NCAA
that's why they haven't changed
why wouldn't the other sports follow the football programs?Geography would be a pretty big problem, likely worse even than the current mess.
they can't survive w/o football money
and title IX would throw a major lawsuit at the universities
I've never been one to say it's gonna happenI don't know that they would. I think it would make more sense for a football breakaway, but let the NCAA govern all the other stuff.
I'm just saying that if it happened the NCAA and the other sports would go along with it.
blowing up the NCAA and starting fresh with a new governing body might happen, but I'd guess all sports would be under that new body
The NCAA IS the member organizations, its replacement would be the same thing. They could alter rules, and do all the time, instead of flushing it all.
Large organizations function effectively in inverse proportion to size. I worked for one, a lot of the silliness and nonsense that happened could not happen for long with a small outfit. They'd go under quickly.
I miss the days when the players played for the name on the FRONT of the jersey.Couldn't agree more. This NIL stuff should morph into a NFL minor league where kids could go if they're not interested in an education. And kids playing for college/university would not be eligible for NIL money or for NFL draft until their junior year.
I miss the days when the players played for the name on the FRONT of the jersey.just appreciate that we are old enough to remember the good ol daze
(https://i.imgur.com/Cu0aUAC.png)i can envision the higher paid recruits could waive the opportunity for a scholarship to open up for those not getting the big NIL money since whats 40,000 a year when they are starting to make 100K+
i can envision the higher paid recruits could waive the opportunity for a scholarship to open up for those not getting the big NIL money since whats 40,000 a year when they are starting to make 100K+The NCAA has created a clusterF that they cannot and will never be able to manage.
The NCAA has created a clusterF that they cannot and will never be able to manage.
Why go to ND State or UNI or ... when you can get NIL money from UW, MN or Iowa as a walk-on to cover tuition?
Those smaller schools get hurt most by this.
The NCAA has nothing to do with it and had no choice. The states basically said, "What you're doing is illegal and you can either change your rules, or get blasted off the face of the earth in court."It's a chicken/egg thing.
Isn’t there a 105 limit for players? 85 scholarship players and 20 Walkons?105 is the active roster limit, but you can still "hide" players due to "injury" and whatnot.
But now players are free to work with a marketing agent to help them find sponsorships and negotiate with companies that want to work/sponsor them.Hell the different type of platforms they can sell their likeness to/on is mind boggling like apps for instance.It's no longer recruiting it's leasing and hope the program finds talented lease holders
The NCAA has had plenty of time to address this, and it didn't. It should have been ahead of the game, but now it's so far behind there is no possible chance for catch-up - or enforcement.
It's a chicken/egg thing.
The NCAA has had plenty of time to address this, and it didn't. It should have been ahead of the game, but now it's so far behind there is no possible chance for catch-up - or enforcement.
It's time for the SEC and B1G to break away and get their arms around this cluster.
105 is the active roster limit, but you can still "hide" players due to "injury" and whatnot.not sure this applies the UNL, they have way more than 105 on the roster
Anything the NCAA did, short of what we're seeing currently, would have been overruled by the states anyway. I blame the NCAA for plenty, but not this. They never had a chance, because it's fundamentally illegal to place ANY restrictions on college athletes, above and beyond what is allowed for non-athlete random schmoes.They could have done it. And there could have been systems in place so that school couldn't buy recruiting classes. Also, prohibit the mass-tampering that's going on now.
They could have done it. And there could have been systems in place so that school couldn't buy recruiting classes. Also, prohibit the mass-tampering that's going on now.There is absolutely nothing the NCAA could have done, to prevent this.
The horse is out of the barn. It's too late. Their inaction has led to chaos.
Anyway, as I've said many times, we knew we'd see the Wild Wild West for a few years.yup! money can't buy championships.
But eventually the players will figure out they're processing themselves right out of a scholarship ANYwhere, and the boosters will realize they're not getting anywhere near the ROI they expected, and things will stabilize.
We haven't even gone through 2 full cycle of this thing yet. In time it'll even out.
There is absolutely nothing the NCAA could have done, to prevent this.agreed, but there's the possibility that the NCAA could have kicked the can down the road a few seasons if they had done something to appease athletes sooner
Because ANY limitation that the NCAA attempts to impose with respect to NiL, is illegal.
It really is that simple-- the NCAA has been illegally restricting players' rights for decades, and the states finally decided to drop the hammer.
The End.
agreed, but there's the possibility that the NCAA could have kicked the can down the road a few seasons if they had done something to appease athletes soonerThis is where I'm at. They had a chance to act, and they didn't.
They decided to do nothing.
yer hopelessThis. In fact, they may have been able to put it off completely had they chose to act with a proposal that was sweet enough.
I agree, the NCAA can't stand in the way of judges and the courts or athlete's rights
I agree that this was coming sooner or later. It was inevitable.
I also agree moving away from the NCAA won't change anything
my point was and is.......... the NCAA may have been able to put his off a few more seasons if they had made concessions to athlete's demands in the past, instead of doing nothing and forcing them to go straight to the courts.
aTm and Miami proved that an NIL all star team doesn't work.This was already a silly mistake many made, year after year, before NIL was a thing. A great, #1 recruiting class doesn't pay off in year one. I don't know why this is a surprise over and over again.
It will achieve equilibrium at some point or another.
This was already a silly mistake many made, year after year, before NIL was a thing. A great, #1 recruiting class doesn't pay off in year one. I don't know why this is a surprise over and over again.Miami has sucked for a long time. And they're going to suck as long as Cristobal who can't coach his way out of a paper bag is their coach and Josh Gattis is their OC.
A&M's problem isn't just the lack of immediate benefit, but that all this NIL-first jack-wagons are jumping ship, so the ACTUAL benefit in 2023 and 2024 won't occur.
This. In fact, they may have been able to put it off completely had they chose to act with a proposal that was sweet enough.None of this has anything to do with NIL.
Make the players sign contracts, join a union, and PRESTO!! NFL Lite!!
None of this has anything to do with NIL.yup. it's against the law to restrict an adult (18 year old) from legally making money by entering into promotional/advertising contracts using his own name image and likeness.
Y'all know what NIL is, right? It's not pay for play. It's not union, it's not scale. It's not a contract with the school, by law in many states it CAN'T involve the school.
And the state legislatures have absolute authority to override the NCAA any time they see fit. There was no solution the NCAA could implement, that would have appeased the powers that be in the state legislatures. They WANTED to assert this authority. It was ALWAYS going to happen.
Because what the NCAA had in place, for decades upon decades, WAS ILLEGAL.
None of this has anything to do with NIL.Again, it may have never come to this had the NCAA proposed a sweet deal for the kids (not that they already didn't have one, with a free ride and all).
Y'all know what NIL is, right? It's not pay for play. It's not union, it's not scale. It's not a contract with the school, by law in many states it CAN'T involve the school.
And the state legislatures have absolute authority to override the NCAA any time they see fit. There was no solution the NCAA could implement, that would have appeased the powers that be in the state legislatures. They WANTED to assert this authority. It was ALWAYS going to happen.
Because what the NCAA had in place, for decades upon decades, WAS ILLEGAL.
California is a state?
yes, it was inevitableSo you're suggesting that the NCAA should have continued to weasel around and find ways to deny property rights illegally, to an entire class of citizens?
but, as you stated the NCAA and member institutions got away with it for decades
maybe another decade if the NCAA would have been smart and stepped up with a good plan
https://twitter.com/ThePoniExpress/status/1605293673952038929?t=1dmZb6MXqQZTy0ji8To57A&s=19NIL isn't about pay for play, but..........
So you're suggesting that the NCAA should have continued to weasel around and find ways to deny property rights illegally, to an entire class of citizens?I'm not saying they should have
I can't say I agree with that.
NIL isn't about pay for play, but..........Unless/until there's a Federal law that supersedes, the states are making their own laws and they're not all identical. I can't speak for the states involved in this "recruitment" but in the state of Texas, there absolutely can not be any mention of pay-for-play nor can the specific school even be mentioned.
this is pay for play
perhaps this is illegal?
I'm not going to try to suggest what Drake's individual worth is, but I'd guess some legal expert/lawyer might take on this task
I'm not saying they should have
heck, they probably shouldn't have for the past 5 decades
I'm just saying they potentially could have tried. Maybe it would have put off the inevitable a few more seasons, maybe not.
I'm saying that the way this has gone isn't probably what the courts intended, but w/o and regulation or rules, we could see this coming.
Maybe the courts saw it as well, but had no way of helping to steer it.
Unless/until there's a Federal law that supersedes, the states are making their own laws and they're not all identical. I can't speak for the states involved in this "recruitment" but in the state of Texas, there absolutely can not be any mention of pay-for-play nor can the specific school even be mentioned.a problem will eventually arise if some states are allowing much more than others
And $5M sounds EXACTLY like the kind of Wild Wild West deal that is not going to provide the desired ROI. These are the deals that are going to die off once boosters realize that it doesn't work.
and the ROI is obviously tied to wins and losses - pay for play
maybe impossible to prove
yup, boosters will learn to write something into the contractBut that's the point I'm making. For the most part, they can't legally write anything into the contract. They can make it time-bound, which is their most effective means of control and really all they can do. But it can't be pay for play, it can't involve stats, it can't be contingent on winning the starting job, it can't even involve playing for a particular team. It's just a contract to use a person's name, image, and likeness, and to compensate them for it.
especially when shelling out multiple millions up front
https://twitter.com/ThePoniExpress/status/1605293673952038929?t=1dmZb6MXqQZTy0ji8To57A&s=19I have less of a problem with this than I have with shit programs like A&M or Miami trying to buy recruiting classes with NIL. Those HS kids ain't done jack. Don't understand throwing money at them.
Dabo just preaching to his fan/booster baseHe's in the bible belt buckle.
He's in the bible belt ya'll know
yup, boosters will learn to write something into the contractThe "up front" just seems stupid.
especially when shelling out multiple millions up front
Dabo just preaching to his fan/booster base
He's in the bible belt ya'll know
(https://i.imgur.com/Ao0lQMS.png)Irony? Karma?
(https://i.imgur.com/Ao0lQMS.png)Real shame for that fella.
Real shame for that fella.
That's a $100 million coach for ya. LOL.
LOL, a shame indeed, Jimbo:
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1612814391635853314
It's already been debunked. Heck, I think DKR is one of the coaches that fall into this category.
Every scholarship Ute gets a 2024 Ram truck. $6 Million from the collective. Wow. These trucks are leased, and the players will have to pay taxes.Love seeing this type of stuff. The players deserve it.
(https://i.imgur.com/DG95ZmJ.png)
“Because of this portal, NIL. Your third-team tailback coming in and saying, ‘I need $100,000 or I’m going into the portal.’ And you’re like, ‘Where does this magic $100,000 number come from?’ And it just, I mean, I sat in my office and every meeting I had was basically – and we’re seven wins and going to a bowl and taking the next step – but everything coming in was like, ‘I want this. I want that.’ And the greatest team sport has now become kind of individualized.”
- Maryland Terrapins coach Mike Locksley on NIL, third-string RB demanding $100,000
Maryland coach Mike Locksley reveals absurd NIL demands third-string player wanted to stay out of transfer portal (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/maryland-coach-mike-locksley-reveals-absurd-nil-demands-third-string-player-wanted-to-stay-out-of-transfer-portal/ar-BB1i5ZhJ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=38b660bba92e40b799ee9f574c1390b5&ei=15)might seem absurd to Mike
might seem absurd to MikeWell mike at least accomplished something before he got paid,present the 3rd stringer list of accomplishments. If nothing then perhaps he should try a paper route or taking orders at a drive thru. Maybe that schollie will look that mutch better to him then - that's the reality of it
not so absurd to the player and his family
to the player and his family, Mike's salary might seem absurd
Mike's agent probably negotiated, ‘I want this. I want that.’
When will we see a team when most/all of the starters are not on scholarship at all?NFL players are not on scholarship, and neither should NFL light players.
might seem absurd to Mike
not so absurd to the player and his family
to the player and his family, Mike's salary might seem absurd
What has Locksley accomplished to deserve an average of $6.1 million through 2027???
But the coach’s salary isn’t a point of NIL leverage.of course not
This NIL thing has to find some boundaries somewhere, I think.yeah it won't, so long as fans/boosters can donate whatever they want to collectives. genie is out of the bottle, there is no way to put it back in.
Pretty much need to just blow it all up.CFB has always been an NFL minor league. An unpaid one at that.
Let the NFL start its own minor league.
That's what CFB is - even more so now.
And I don't like it.
After landing two top Illinois players, Mario Cristobal and Bret Bielema have an interesting exchange (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/after-landing-two-top-illinois-players-mario-cristobal-and-bret-bielema-have-an-interesting-exchange/ar-BB1iahM1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=79d1d2ce531346678e71a5e8fa684e9f&ei=16)BERT is a sad fat sack of sh*t who should just stfu. Miami didn't steal Justin Scott or Marquise Lightfoot away from Illinois. Neither one of those kids was ever in a billion fking years going to play for fatfk BERT and his shitty program. Ever. They were all Ohio State/ND/MICH and SEC (Bama/UGA) from day one. Miami used NIL to snatch those kids away from those programs. Not from fking Illinois.
Interesting for sure.
I took it as Bert begging for more NIL money from his fanbase.I took it as BERT talking shit about Miami using NIL to steal recruits from him. Recruits he was never going to land in a million years even if he had NIL money.
yeah it won't, so long as fans/boosters can donate whatever they want to collectives. genie is out of the bottle, there is no way to put it back in.I honestly think both conferences are on shaky ground
what needs to happen at this point is B1G & SEC swallow up what's left worth taking, break off from the NCAA and form their own thing- then make the players employees and let them unionize and sign CBA's, and put them all on pay scale by position and by class- and every school pays the same rates- a salary cap of sorts.
this will put a massive dent into NIL and inducements for recruiting- and what will happen is what NIL was intended for- only the very top level star players in the sport will get NIL deals.
Lightfoot made the following OV's:he took an OV to the home town school- which means nothing. Lightfoot was NEVER going there in a billion years. Period.
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Scott did not OV Illinois.
I honestly think both conferences are on shaky ground???? How do you figure? Those conferences make insane TV money. They are the only conferences in the sport not on shaky ground.
The one good partI'd say there's a high chance EA Sports blows this one...the Madden games have sucked for years from what I understand.
https://twitter.com/EASPORTSCollege/status/1758159742109671874?s=20
I honestly think both conferences are on shaky ground
Its only a matter of time before an 8-10 team blue blood superconference is created by a streamer.
Pretty much need to just blow it all up.They have always been scared to put anything on the NFL. Make your own eligibility rules. This is why unionization is a good thing. Put pressure on the NFL to change their eligibility rules. Those are collectively bargained. College football will absolutely be better off at this point once the football players can collectively bargain. Then they can also agree on reasonable eligibility rules. I've never understood how transfer eligibility restrictions are challengeable, when general eligibility rules are not. The NCAA has never said you can't transfer, they've just put restrictions on your eligibility if you do. If they can't do that, how can they tell a kid he can't play college football for 10 years if he wants to and stays in school?
Let the NFL start its own minor league.
That's what CFB is - even more so now.
And I don't like it.
I'd say there's a high chance EA Sports blows this one...the Madden games have sucked for years from what I understand.They haven't been bad, they've just struggled to make buying new versions worth it. They don't really improve the game, they just add pointless features. Frequently they are bad, and so they remove them. They just need a reason to buy a new game. Generally the answer is to just stop supporting the old one. They could charge $10 to add on another 365 days of updated rosters, and online support, and people would be all over it. The issue is you have to play on old rosters forever, and not be able to play online, or pay $70 for a new game. Hell, I bet they could charge $40 to extend the game for a year, with updating rosters (as they do constantly durign the first year of the game) and people would pay it, and you wouldn't pay any overhead on development or hardware.