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Topic: Game Changer / NIL

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utee94

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #308 on: July 22, 2022, 06:31:04 PM »
I'm sure some of the elite programs have had serious thoughts, maybe even discussions among themselves about kicking the NCAA to the curb.

They just haven't come up with a better solution for now

The problem is all the other non-football non-revenue sports.  Where do you park them?  Who governs them?  Who calls the shots and makes the rules?

If the top tier of football schools move their football programs out of the NCAA and out of the existing conference structure, are the have-not left-behinds going to allow them to attach their non-revenue sports to what's left of the conferences?  If you say "yes" then WHY?  We're already talking about non-revenue sports here.  They don't generate any money.  There's no value to be gained by Illinois or Mississippi State for losing the football revenue from Ohio State and Alabama, but allowing their gymnastics programs to linger on.  Beyond just the obvious pettiness and vindictiveness, there's literally no economic value for Miss State in being associated with Alabama in anything other than football.  So why would they do it?

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #309 on: July 22, 2022, 06:34:18 PM »
Couldn't the school just ignore that?  No, we're providing these scholarships.  No, the bowl wants us, so we're going to play in it anyway.
Where did I propose a specific scenario??

Right here.

You directly proposed schools ignoring scholarship reductions and post-season bans if they simply didn't feel like following the NCAA's rules-- rules that are agreed upon by hundreds of member institutions.



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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #310 on: July 22, 2022, 06:50:26 PM »
The problem is all the other non-football non-revenue sports.  Where do you park them?  Who governs them?  Who calls the shots and makes the rules?
the same entity that governs the top football programs
just like today
it's really just another governing body, it's just not called the NCAA
that's why they haven't changed
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #311 on: July 22, 2022, 06:53:45 PM »
the same entity that governs the top football programs
just like today
it's really just another governing body, it's just not called the NCAA
that's why they haven't changed
So just to be clear, you're suggesting (or envisioning, not trying to put words in your mouth), that the top X number of football schools would breakway from the existing conference structure and existing NCAA structure, both at the same time, and create new conferences/high-level governing body for ALL member school sports, but would consist only of the top X number of football programs?

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #312 on: July 22, 2022, 06:57:04 PM »
why wouldn't the other sports follow the football programs?

they can't survive w/o football money

and title IX would throw a major lawsuit at the universities

and why would you have the NCAA govern most of your sports programs but not football?
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #313 on: July 22, 2022, 07:10:07 PM »
why wouldn't the other sports follow the football programs?

they can't survive w/o football money

and title IX would throw a major lawsuit at the universities
Geography would be a pretty big problem, likely worse even than the current mess.

But another of the major problems I see, would be completely trashing history.  You might not care, but many of your B1G brethren might balk at ditching Illinois and Indiana and Purdue and Northwestern and Minnesota and perhaps others, in order to reform as only the top tier of football schools.

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« Reply #314 on: July 22, 2022, 07:16:37 PM »
I've never been one to say it's gonna happen

I'm just saying that if it happened the NCAA and the other sports would go along with it.

blowing up the NCAA and starting fresh with a new governing body might happen, but I'd guess all sports would be under that new body
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #315 on: July 22, 2022, 07:20:50 PM »
I've never been one to say it's gonna happen

I'm just saying that if it happened the NCAA and the other sports would go along with it.

blowing up the NCAA and starting fresh with a new governing body might happen, but I'd guess all sports would be under that new body
I don't know that they would.  I think it would make more sense for a football breakaway, but let the NCAA govern all the other stuff. 

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #316 on: July 23, 2022, 09:43:20 AM »
you could be right

I hope we never find out
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #317 on: July 23, 2022, 09:45:58 AM »
One thing I know, is that whatever happens, I'll like it less than the way things were 10 years ago. And I liked that less than the way things were 10 years before that.

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #318 on: July 23, 2022, 09:47:26 AM »
The NCAA IS the member organizations, its replacement would be the same thing.  They could alter rules, and do all the time, instead of flushing it all.

Large organizations function effectively in inverse proportion to size.  I worked for one, a lot of the silliness and nonsense that happened could not happen for long with a small outfit.  They'd go under quickly.


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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #319 on: July 23, 2022, 09:47:43 AM »
we agree once again

I'd like to go back to the 80's but many think back fondly on their college years
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #320 on: July 24, 2022, 08:41:22 AM »
The NCAA IS the member organizations, its replacement would be the same thing.  They could alter rules, and do all the time, instead of flushing it all.

Large organizations function effectively in inverse proportion to size.  I worked for one, a lot of the silliness and nonsense that happened could not happen for long with a small outfit.  They'd go under quickly.



I think the idea is that a breakaway league would have fewer members, and so could be more streamlined in its rules creation, and enforcement.  I do think there's some merit to the idea that only having to make rules to appease the top 32 or so football schools, all of whom are presumably "haves", would make things simpler, cleaner, and more transparent.  Less need for rules to protect the small and weak, among other things.

But ultimately I still think that bureaucratic bloat would eventually lead to something not all that different from the NCAA.

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #321 on: July 24, 2022, 08:50:19 AM »
Maybe the football schools could create a football only governing body inside the NCAA.  Formalize the haves vs have nots designation.  The P5s would play only P5s, which would hurt G5s and FCS a lot.

 

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