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Topic: Game Changer / NIL

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #350 on: December 20, 2022, 12:57:14 PM »
aTm and Miami proved that an NIL all star team doesn't work.

It will achieve equilibrium at some point or another.
This was already a silly mistake many made, year after year, before NIL was a thing.  A great, #1 recruiting class doesn't pay off in year one.  I don't know why this is a surprise over and over again. 
A&M's problem isn't just the lack of immediate benefit, but that all this NIL-first jack-wagons are jumping ship, so the ACTUAL benefit in 2023 and 2024 won't occur. 
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #351 on: December 20, 2022, 01:06:02 PM »
This was already a silly mistake many made, year after year, before NIL was a thing.  A great, #1 recruiting class doesn't pay off in year one.  I don't know why this is a surprise over and over again. 
A&M's problem isn't just the lack of immediate benefit, but that all this NIL-first jack-wagons are jumping ship, so the ACTUAL benefit in 2023 and 2024 won't occur.
Miami has sucked for a long time. And they're going to suck as long as Cristobal who can't coach his way out of a paper bag is their coach and Josh Gattis is their OC. 

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #352 on: December 20, 2022, 02:08:20 PM »
This. In fact, they may have been able to put it off completely had they chose to act with a proposal that was sweet enough.

Make the players sign contracts, join a union, and PRESTO!! NFL Lite!!
None of this has anything to do with NIL.

Y'all know what NIL is, right?  It's not pay for play.  It's not union, it's not scale.  It's not a contract with the school, by law in many states it CAN'T involve the school.

And the state legislatures have absolute authority to override the NCAA any time they see fit.  There was no solution the NCAA could implement, that would have appeased the powers that be in the state legislatures.  They WANTED to assert this authority.  It was ALWAYS going to happen.

Because what the NCAA had in place, for decades upon decades, WAS ILLEGAL.


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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #353 on: December 20, 2022, 02:16:22 PM »
None of this has anything to do with NIL.

Y'all know what NIL is, right?  It's not pay for play.  It's not union, it's not scale.  It's not a contract with the school, by law in many states it CAN'T involve the school.

And the state legislatures have absolute authority to override the NCAA any time they see fit.  There was no solution the NCAA could implement, that would have appeased the powers that be in the state legislatures.  They WANTED to assert this authority.  It was ALWAYS going to happen.

Because what the NCAA had in place, for decades upon decades, WAS ILLEGAL.
yup. it's against the law to restrict an adult (18 year old) from legally making money by entering into promotional/advertising contracts using his own name image and likeness.

what it SHOULD be is for established star players like a Blake Corum or Bijan Robinson or Caleb Williams or CJ Stroud to make money off their popularity which was earned on the field by being high level really good college football players. Which that's great, I'm all for that. Dudes like that have earned it. They are true CFB stars, makes sense that companies would want to sign them for advertising deals.

A&M turned it into this bastardized thing where they have used it to buy recruiting classes and promise snot nosed 17-18 year old HS kids who haven't done jacksh*t yet buckooo bucks all in the hopes of the kid might be good. What happens is you have the older kids who weren't around for HS NIL deals who had to earn their stripes being resentful or the "lowly" 2* or 3* kids of this new NIL era that wind up playing like 5*'s being resentful because they had to earn their NIL deals by actually being good at football. And it creates a situation where you just have a bunch of mercenaries who wouldn't have picked your school before but are only picking it for the money. Which doesn't work. These kids are going to college still at the end of the day. They aren't pros. Lot of them probably going to wind up not even liking the area, school, or coaches they picked and only signed the LOI on NSD for the NIL deal.

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #354 on: December 20, 2022, 02:31:53 PM »
None of this has anything to do with NIL.

Y'all know what NIL is, right?  It's not pay for play.  It's not union, it's not scale.  It's not a contract with the school, by law in many states it CAN'T involve the school.

And the state legislatures have absolute authority to override the NCAA any time they see fit.  There was no solution the NCAA could implement, that would have appeased the powers that be in the state legislatures.  They WANTED to assert this authority.  It was ALWAYS going to happen.

Because what the NCAA had in place, for decades upon decades, WAS ILLEGAL.


Again, it may have never come to this had the NCAA proposed a sweet deal for the kids (not that they already didn't have one, with a free ride and all).

We didn't even start hearing about this crap until what? 2-3 years ago??

That is not ALWAYS in my book.

So apparently, it is not what they WANTED 10 years ago, despite what the NCAA had in place being ILLEGAL (with which I agree).
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #355 on: December 20, 2022, 02:46:16 PM »
State legislatures have been talking about it for decades, especially in the more progressive states like California.  They finally decided to start doing something about it around 5-6 years ago and it was finally enacted as legislation 2-3 years ago, depending on location.  And no half-measures instituted by the NCAA were going to stop a state like California from doing what it wanted.

And once California did it, we saw the almost-immediate domino effect among other states.

Inevitable.

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #356 on: December 20, 2022, 02:50:24 PM »
California is a state?
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #357 on: December 20, 2022, 02:59:38 PM »
California is a state?

Perhaps not...

People's Republik of Kalifornia?

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #359 on: December 20, 2022, 03:21:15 PM »
yes, it was inevitable

but, as you stated the NCAA and member institutions got away with it for decades

maybe another decade if the NCAA would have been smart and stepped up with a good plan
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #360 on: December 20, 2022, 03:24:57 PM »
yes, it was inevitable

but, as you stated the NCAA and member institutions got away with it for decades

maybe another decade if the NCAA would have been smart and stepped up with a good plan
So you're suggesting that the NCAA should have continued to weasel around and find ways to deny property rights illegally, to an entire class of citizens?

I can't say I agree with that.  

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #361 on: December 20, 2022, 03:25:09 PM »

https://twitter.com/ThePoniExpress/status/1605293673952038929?t=1dmZb6MXqQZTy0ji8To57A&s=19
NIL isn't about pay for play, but..........

this is pay for play
perhaps this is illegal?
I'm not going to try to suggest what Drake's individual worth is, but I'd guess some legal expert/lawyer might take on this task
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #362 on: December 20, 2022, 03:29:21 PM »
So you're suggesting that the NCAA should have continued to weasel around and find ways to deny property rights illegally, to an entire class of citizens?

I can't say I agree with that. 

I'm not saying they should have
heck, they probably shouldn't have for the past 5 decades
I'm just saying they potentially could have tried.  Maybe it would have put off the inevitable a few more seasons, maybe not.

I'm saying that the way this has gone isn't probably what the courts intended, but w/o and regulation or rules, we could see this coming.
Maybe the courts saw it as well, but had no way of helping to steer it.
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #363 on: December 20, 2022, 03:31:55 PM »
NIL isn't about pay for play, but..........

this is pay for play
perhaps this is illegal?
I'm not going to try to suggest what Drake's individual worth is, but I'd guess some legal expert/lawyer might take on this task
Unless/until there's a Federal law that supersedes, the states are making their own laws and they're not all identical.  I can't speak for the states involved in this "recruitment" but in the state of Texas, there absolutely can not be any mention of pay-for-play nor can the specific school even be mentioned.

And $5M sounds EXACTLY like the kind of Wild Wild West deal that is not going to provide the desired ROI.  These are the deals that are going to die off once boosters realize that it doesn't work.


 

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