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Topic: Game Changer / NIL

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utee94

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #126 on: July 01, 2021, 04:03:57 PM »
oh it's legal

but, there will be rules
Well, one rule that will no doubt be broken, is that some of the state laws I've seen (including Texas' law) prohibit the NIL licensing contract from being offered before a student is enrolled at a school, and it cannot be contingent on attending a particular school.

So ultimately, once the market value is established, for a 5* RB with X thousand yards last year, and Y thousand career yards, and Z touchdowns, as a prospect going to Texas or Florida or Ohio State, then no agreements will need to be even mentioned.  The market willl set the value, and you'll be worth more going to a large college with more reach, than a small one.

In practice, there will be gap in time before the market values are established, so boosters WILL have to cheat the system and use back channels to communicate their offers to recruits, until they arrive on campus.

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #127 on: July 01, 2021, 04:05:34 PM »
the coaching staff can't hand out bags of cash

Again, they won't need to.  The boosters will be able to do it completely legally. 

I'm pretty sure most coaches that have previously been involved in the shady stuff, will be delighted to no longer be operating in violation of NCAA rules, risking their livelihoods and their careers if they get caught.  
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #128 on: July 01, 2021, 04:40:47 PM »
Again, they won't need to.  The boosters will be able to do it completely legally. 

I'm pretty sure most coaches that have previously been involved in the shady stuff, will be delighted to no longer be operating in violation of NCAA rules, risking their livelihoods and their careers if they get caught. 
However another way to look at it is that any gains achieved by such infractions in the past will no longer be available to such coaches

kinda like legalizing pot put a dent in illegal drug trade
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #129 on: July 01, 2021, 05:03:37 PM »
However another way to look at it is that any gains achieved by such infractions in the past will no longer be available to such coaches

kinda like legalizing pot put a dent in illegal drug trade

IT doesn't need to be available to the coaches.  Coaching staffs will no longer need bagmen.  The boosters can do it all above the table now.

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #130 on: July 01, 2021, 06:30:49 PM »
IT doesn't need to be available to the coaches.  Coaching staffs will no longer need bagmen.  The boosters can do it all above the table now.
but thats my point

programs will not be able to get an advantage because everybody will do it

sad but true
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #131 on: July 01, 2021, 07:13:06 PM »
but thats my point

programs will not be able to get an advantage because everybody will do it

sad but true
Schools with wealthier boosters will be able to take advantage.  Schools that don't have such wealthy boosters won't.

I can imagine that the schools that will suffer the biggest negative change compared to current status quo, are the ones that were willing to get really dirty, but don't actually have the same financial backing from boosters, as the really big guys.  Schools like Ole Miss or Auburn for example.  They were willing and able to buy players brazenly, but they weren't competing against wealthier schools that weren't as willing to get dirty and play ball.

Now those wealthier schools that mostly stayed above the purchasing of players, will be able to engage in it full-throttle.


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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #132 on: July 01, 2021, 08:26:54 PM »
This is gonna get really icky.
It may just be revealing the existing ickiness.
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #133 on: July 01, 2021, 10:57:08 PM »

I can imagine that the schools that will suffer the biggest negative change compared to current status quo, are the ones that were willing to get really dirty, but don't actually have the same financial backing from boosters, as the really big guys.  Schools like Ole Miss or Auburn for example.  They were willing and able to buy players brazenly, but they weren't competing against wealthier schools that weren't as willing to get dirty and play ball.

Now those wealthier schools that mostly stayed above the purchasing of players, will be able to engage in it full-throttle.


So, Ole Miss and Auburn aren't really in the same set. Auburn is rich, much more so than Ole Miss. Auburn is more rich in the sense that they spend because they're crazy, but they paid their coach and staff more than the richest athletic department in the land. 

I'll be interested in how it plays out because the teams you mention in bold, I'm unconvinced there's a big roster of them. Some schools have been more brazen, while others have not, but in the end, if you were landing classes that were in the same range or better than the brazen cheaters, it seems unconvincing that you didn't have someone helping out somewhere. Maybe not like Auburn, but probably some. 

The sport has long been stratified across financial lines (more defined by rabid fan passion than just wealth). After that, it comes down to coaching and to a lesser extent, geography. 

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #134 on: July 01, 2021, 10:58:50 PM »
This is gonna get really icky.
Part of the tradition, I suppose. 

The sport spent the past few decades with its hands out. Lord knows, our alma mater did. Now the young men going off to be molded are learning from the people in charge of molding them. 

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« Reply #135 on: July 01, 2021, 11:14:44 PM »
I'm sure it will slow down, but I'm enjoying the day one flourish. I miss you has a backup offensive lineman pimping gushers now. And our kicker is promoting an MSU podcast from a boat.  Some Illinois walk-on got paid a dollar to post a picture of himself with some supplement on Twitter

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« Reply #136 on: July 01, 2021, 11:16:55 PM »
I'm sure it will slow down, but I'm enjoying the day one flourish. I miss you has a backup offensive lineman pimping gushers now. And our kicker is promoting an MSU podcast from a boat.  Some Illinois walk-on got paid a dollar to post a picture of himself with some supplement on Twitter
That podcast thing was hilarious 

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #137 on: July 01, 2021, 11:17:56 PM »
the portal is now a way to move to a place to make more $$$
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« Reply #138 on: July 01, 2021, 11:29:05 PM »
That podcast thing was hilarious
The one host of that podcast could really go places. He's way too good to be an MSU freelance writer and podcast host.  Sports media is just such a tough industry to break into. His co-host is the exact type who should be hosting a team-centric podcast.

As for that kicker, his personal transformation from recruit to 6th year senior is quite something

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #139 on: July 02, 2021, 11:32:56 AM »
I'm sure it will slow down, but I'm enjoying the day one flourish. I miss you has a backup offensive lineman pimping gushers now. And our kicker is promoting an MSU podcast from a boat.  Some Illinois walk-on got paid a dollar to post a picture of himself with some supplement on Twitter


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