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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2021, 11:26:15 AM »
ESPN owns the LHN, I don't think it would be any particular advantage with respect to the discussion at hand, which is basically, funneling corporate dollars to college athletes.


I'm guessing a 30 second ad on the LHN is affordable to more folks than on ESPN or ESPN2

could be a price point that gets some dollars that otherwise might not be available.  maybe not
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2021, 11:57:57 AM »
I'm guessing a 30 second ad on the LHN is affordable to more folks than on ESPN or ESPN2

could be a price point that gets some dollars that otherwise might not be available.  maybe not
But I'm not seeing the mechanism where this puts money into a college athlete's pocket?

It's much easier just to have any large donor or corporation give a college athlete an "endorsement deal" where they pay $X for the rights to use that athlete's likeness/image for Y period of time.

The key here, is that the likeness doesn't ever have to be used. The money has already changed hands for the rights to use the likeness.  It's absolutely immaterial whether or not that likeness ever gets used.

In some cases, the donor or corporation will have a legitimate use for the likeness, and that's fine.  That's all above-board.

What people are talking about here, though, is the ability to game the system and buy up players, outbid other schools' donors and supporting corporations, etc.  To do that, you never need to actually use the likeness/image.  You just have to pay the player for the rights.

I could definitely see donors buying up a portfolio of players-- some will hit and be stars, many will miss. Those that hit, could command even larger "licensing fees" else threaten to leave through the portal.  Those that miss, will be processed out of getting payments, same way they're processed off the team.


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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2021, 12:09:03 PM »
Yup, the amount of "abuse" will be epic as boosters figure out the angles, and they almost certainly are doing that now, and have likely finished.

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« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2021, 12:43:02 PM »
Yup, the amount of "abuse" will be epic as boosters figure out the angles, and they almost certainly are doing that now, and have likely finished.

The total amount of liberties taken will vary depending on the specific legislation in each state.

But the states with legislators that care the most about seeing their teams have success in college athletics, are no doubt working to have the most... open.... terms possible.

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2021, 01:09:16 PM »
of course the likeness doesn't have to be used, but it certainly could be used to advertise something in a 60 second time slot on the LHN.

most legislators in Nebraska's unicameral State Senate understand University Sports programs are a major asset to the state.
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2021, 01:24:49 PM »
of course the likeness doesn't have to be used, but it certainly could be used to advertise something in a 60 second time slot on the LHN.

most legislators in Nebraska's unicameral State Senate understand University Sports programs are a major asset to the state.
I mean it could, but why?  The point isn't to actually use the likeness.  The point is to find a way to funnel money to athletes.

If a booster really wants to get some mileage out of that likeness, then they're going to use it to advertise on platforms that reach their desired audiences.  For UT that might include the LHN, but there's nothing stopping Alabama from doing the same thing on SECN, or Ohio State from doing the same thing on BTN.  ESPN isn't going to give those timeslots away for free, so the LHN isn't going to provide any unique advantage over what other schools can access.

And in reality, a booster that wants to get some mileage out of... say... Sam Ehlinger, is probably more likely to buy spots on local stations in Austin, Dallas, and Houston, where the reach is greater than is LHN.

I don't expect the use of an athlete's image/likess-- or lack thereof-- to change fundamentally the amount of money given to that athlete.  The going rate will be determined on the free market-- how much it takes to convince a player to come to your university, over the alternatives.  A prized 5* QB will command a much higher price than a 3* free safety.  A 4* running back will receive higher bids than a punter. And the more desired players will also command better terms-- they may want a 4-year deal to provide security.  Or they may want 1-year deals so that they can increase their required salary over time.  I'd imagine that the lower-tier players will likely get 1-year deals so they can be cut if they don't pan out.

And of course lots of players won't get any offers of payment at all.
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2021, 01:49:40 PM »
well, it's illegal to promise a recruit $$$

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2021, 01:50:39 PM »
well, it's illegal to promise a recruit $$$

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Well, it was, anyway.

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2021, 02:15:36 PM »
You don't have to promise a recruit anything. The payments will all be above board, so it won't take too many years to see the value of playing a specific position on a specific team. When they see that the value to a 'Bama player is a lot higher than the value to an LSU player, it'll take care of itself without a single promise needing to be made. 

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2021, 02:54:56 PM »
ed zachery

and any player in a P5 conference gets much more than the wannabees

talk about slanting the field and killing competition

the stark difference between Texas and Kansas is going to grow exponentially 
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2021, 03:11:05 PM »
You don't have to promise a recruit anything. The payments will all be above board, so it won't take too many years to see the value of playing a specific position on a specific team. When they see that the value to a 'Bama player is a lot higher than the value to an LSU player, it'll take care of itself without a single promise needing to be made.
Exactly.  Like I said, the Free Market will determine the rates.

But this is going to do more than just move the payments from under the table, to over it.  This is actually going to be a very bad thing for schools that have been involved in shady dealings but DON'T have as deep of pockets as some of their competitors.  Schools like Auburn and Ole Miss that have been brazenly buying players for decades, are now going to get completely outbid by programs that have hesitated to get as dirty, but have virtually unlimited booster money.


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and any player in a P5 conference gets much more than the wannabees

talk about slanting the field and killing competition

the stark difference between Texas and Kansas is going to grow exponentially
Sure.  And Ohio State and Indiana.  And Oregon and Oregon State.  And ____insert a dozen teams here___ and ___insert 100 teams here____.

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2021, 03:57:36 PM »
ed zachery

and any player in a P5 conference gets much more than the wannabees

talk about slanting the field and killing competition

the stark difference between Texas and Kansas is going to grow exponentially
Is it though? Does Kansas have any players right now that Texas would take? How could the gap be any bigger?

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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #40 on: June 10, 2021, 04:38:22 PM »
they might have one or two

they won't have going forward
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Re: Game Changer / NIL
« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2021, 04:46:45 PM »
Is it though? Does Kansas have any players right now that Texas would take? How could the gap be any bigger?
That's where I'm at. I don't worry too much about what players OSU is getting... As if Purdue was ever in the running for any of them? 

Guys like Rondale Moore, David Bell, George Karlaftis could go to a helmet team and be a depth piece... Or they can come to Purdue and be freakin' superstars. 

they might have one or two

they won't have going forward
Maybe, maybe not...

It depends... Is there any NIL value in being a deep bench player on a helmet team? Would some of those players actually choose to be stars at lesser programs? 

What about the QB position? It's HARD to see the field, even as a 5*, at the big helmet teams. A player like that would be an immediate starter at some lower school and would be THE face of the program... With the $$$ that comes with it. 

It won't help the G5 much, but the payoff for being a superstar at a mid-level P5 might be more compelling than being an also-ran at a helmet...

 

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