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Topic: Establishing an OOC Rivalry

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bayareabadger

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #70 on: June 25, 2020, 10:40:53 AM »
The idea that ticket sales would suffer is silly. If you put Ohio State and Alabama in Soldier Field on January 1, the game would sell out within minutes - mostly to OSU fans.
I suppose it would, though it would probably have to be a playoff game, as you'd likely see some drop in enthusiasm if it wasn't.

In any case, I am probably betraying my brethren, but I'm super OK with not having to stand outside in the freezing weather for a bowl (to the extent I attend live games ever anymore). I remember Wisconsin-Minnesota of 2008. It sucked. I've no great desire for anyone else to repeat that if they don't have to. 

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #71 on: June 25, 2020, 10:43:48 AM »
I think a weekend in Chicago would be attractive to some. You'd have to do some convincing that safety wouldn't be a problem. 
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #72 on: June 25, 2020, 10:52:04 AM »
There would certainly be more merchandising opportunities, selling OSU hand warmers, scarves/scarfs, ski masks, ect. 
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #73 on: June 25, 2020, 11:19:55 AM »
I suppose it would, though it would probably have to be a playoff game, as you'd likely see some drop in enthusiasm if it wasn't.

In any case, I am probably betraying my brethren, but I'm super OK with not having to stand outside in the freezing weather for a bowl (to the extent I attend live games ever anymore). I remember Wisconsin-Minnesota of 2008. It sucked. I've no great desire for anyone else to repeat that if they don't have to.
Heck, even the chicken bowl in Santa Clara a few years ago was chilly lol... 

Not enough to be a problem, but enough that I had to wear a light jacket. I really only brought the jacket as a precaution because the afternoon when we landed in San Jose was warm enough, but by gametime it got a bit brisk. 

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #74 on: June 25, 2020, 11:59:25 AM »
Heck, even the chicken bowl in Santa Clara a few years ago was chilly lol...

Not enough to be a problem, but enough that I had to wear a light jacket. I really only brought the jacket as a precaution because the afternoon when we landed in San Jose was warm enough, but by gametime it got a bit brisk.
Ahhh Bay Area chilly. Not cold enough for a real coat, but just enough to be a bit annoying. 

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2020, 11:59:46 AM »
I think a weekend in Chicago would be attractive to some. You'd have to do some convincing that safety wouldn't be a problem.
Why?

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #76 on: June 25, 2020, 12:02:01 PM »
Gang bangers no longer have "boundaries" in Chicago. The violence has extended into River North, and even the Mag Mile.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2020, 12:06:10 PM »
I'm reading a book by Tom Wolfe about Atlanta called "A Man in Full" that takes place about 20 years ago.  He notes in it that Ponce de Leon, a main E-W artery was the dividing line between the white north and the black south.  That is changing now as the city becomes more white, but it definitely was true, some N-S roads changed names as they cross PDL Ave. for that reason.



The book is just OK I think, probably not worth reading unless you live here.  My neighbor gave it to me.

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2020, 12:09:00 PM »
I'm reading a book by Tom Wolfe about Atlanta called "A Man in Full" that takes place about 20 years ago.  He notes in it that Ponce de Leon, a main E-W artery was the dividing line between the white north and the black south.  That is changing now as the city becomes more white, but it definitely was true, some N-S roads changed names as they cross PDL Ave. for that reason.



The book is just OK I think, probably not worth reading unless you live here.  My neighbor gave it to me.
I enjoy his writing style, and I guess I'm supposed to read one of his other books. 

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2020, 12:10:54 PM »
Gang bangers no longer have "boundaries" in Chicago. The violence has extended into River North, and even the Mag Mile.
Strikes me as a tad pearl-clutch-y, but I'll take your word for it. 

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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #80 on: June 25, 2020, 12:15:35 PM »
Glad to hear. I read the papers and watch the news every day.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #81 on: June 25, 2020, 12:23:49 PM »
I don't think that "the Big Ten" is either waxing poetic or bitching about bowl games in Florida.  But the reality is that SEC teams usually get to play bowl games pretty close to home in weather that is very comfortable to them.  And Big Ten teams usually get to play in bowl games far from home in weather that is a lot warmer than what the weather back home is like.
Imagine that Florida had an annual game with Alabama and it was always played in Birmingham.
Better still, imagine that Florida had an annual game with Wisconsin and it was always played in Milwaukee.
Then who's to blame?  Why weren't there any bowls played for 60 years in Milwaukee or Cleveland or Buffalo?  BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO GO THERE ON JANUARY 1st!  Bowls were meant to be a reward for a good season, back before they really counted.  Detroit in January isn't a reward for anyone.  

If B10 people don't like it, they should take measures to change it.  They haven't, so they can't cite it as being unfair.  

And FYI:  Florida played Alabama in the first 2 SECCGs in Birmingham and the better team won each game (1-1).  

And FYI2:  The SEC Champion traditionally went to the Sugar Bowl, played in the Superdome since 1975 and I'm pretty sure the weather is comfortable for everyone involved.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #82 on: June 25, 2020, 12:27:26 PM »
The idea that ticket sales would suffer is silly. If you put Ohio State and Alabama in Soldier Field on January 1, the game would sell out within minutes - mostly to OSU fans.
Okay, care to discuss the other 99% of matchups that wouldn't immediately sell out?  Especially after the novelty has worn off and it's just another bowl game played in freezing temps?  


This "yeah, but" crap of citing the most exceptional example possible is garbage and you know it.
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Re: Establishing an OOC Rivalry
« Reply #83 on: June 25, 2020, 12:31:05 PM »

I don't think playing in the south is a particular advantage for southern teams.  The lesser bowls don't sell out, the crowd noise is generally pretty tame, and playing in better weather is better.  I bet Ohio State would rather play in Orlando than Chicago.


Yes, let's have the players vote.  
The outcome might surprise the old fogies obsessed with weather and Rust Belt pride.
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