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Topic: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game

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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #182 on: October 22, 2018, 09:55:25 PM »
In general, I think both teams managed this fine. Michigan didn't used to think MSU deserved notice. That drama like this (or even "caring" about MSU) was below them. And then came Pride Before the Fall and a decade of indirect begging that Michigan take MSU head-on. And now they have the rivalry they asked for. 
It's a pill Michigan fans may continue to enjoy watching go down. But no matter that future, 2018 has been the most evenly maxed out year in the emotions of this series.
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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #183 on: October 22, 2018, 10:10:53 PM »
People grouping together and hating all Michigan fans again. Must mean Michigan is good again.
Meh- those truths were always true, and my position on Harbaugh has been rock solid from day one.   Good coach, real asshole.  Same way you feel about Meyer.
If a player from another team did and said what Winovich has, you would be ALL OVER
That player.   
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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #184 on: October 22, 2018, 10:46:50 PM »
Meh- those truths were always true, and my position on Harbaugh has been rock solid from day one.   Good coach, real asshole.  Same way you feel about Meyer.
If a player from another team did and said what Winovich has, you would be ALL OVER
That player.  
Let’s not get the “ we can dish it out but we can’t take it” going on.    
Nah, Harbaugh is just a really weird dude, whereas Meyer is a snake and a liar and a person that steps on others to raise himself up. That opinion was formed in Bowling Green 17 years ago and nothing I’ve seen since has changed that.
If I was an opposing fan, I’m sure I wouldn’t like Winovich if that interview  was mostly what I knew of him. Nearly everyone that comes across him loves his energy and his upbeat spirit towards life. Seems to be a very high character guy. He had an immature moment after a big win.

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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #185 on: October 22, 2018, 11:17:58 PM »
I like it

I enjoy it

 a little more attitude and emotion creates more value

no one swung a helmet, no one was injured, no one suspended or punished

all in good clean fun

good for the B1G
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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #186 on: October 22, 2018, 11:23:59 PM »
The nervous chicken story is going to have lasted longer than this dust-up. This tiff was mentioned and most outside the local hate area are already moving on to the tOSU will they make the playoffs or not if they win out story.
 Harbaugh is/was posturing for the state recruits. He wants them to believe he is as tuff as Dantonio.

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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #187 on: October 23, 2018, 12:04:42 AM »
Nah, Harbaugh is just a really weird dude, whereas Meyer is a snake and a liar and a person that steps on others to raise himself up. That opinion was formed in Bowling Green 17 years ago and nothing I’ve seen since has changed that.
If I was an opposing fan, I’m sure I wouldn’t like Winovich if that interview  was mostly what I knew of him. Nearly everyone that comes across him loves his energy and his upbeat spirit towards life. Seems to be a very high character guy. He had an immature moment after a big win.
So we agree to disagree who the real snake is.  It’s all good.  If I had an athlete primed to play in the big, there is only one coach I wouldn’t allow him to play for.  Reason being, one of my biggest teachings is the - no whining, no excuses, and be humble.  Harbaugh fails all three consistently.  But to you that is just weird I guess.  No harm no foul.
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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #188 on: October 23, 2018, 12:18:52 AM »
So we agree to disagree who the real snake is.  It’s all good.  If I had an athlete primed to play in the big, there is only one coach I wouldn’t allow him to play for.  Reason being, one of my biggest teachings is the - no whining, no excuses, and be humble.  Harbaugh fails all three consistently.  But to you that is just weird I guess.  No harm no foul.
Values that a program instills are critically important to uphold. I can definitely see where you are coming from. They are so important they should be plastered at the front entrance of your complex to remind you to honor them each day.

When you were lobbing that pitch across the plate, let me tell you, it looked like a beach ball.


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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #189 on: October 23, 2018, 12:53:51 AM »
So we agree to disagree who the real snake is.  It’s all good.  If I had an athlete primed to play in the big, there is only one coach I wouldn’t allow him to play for.  Reason being, one of my biggest teachings is the - no whining, no excuses, and be humble.  Harbaugh fails all three consistently.  But to you that is just weird I guess.  No harm no foul.
Not sure I follow.
Harbaugh was never one billed as having character issues. The guy grates on people and I'd bet good money he's on the autistic spectrum- but no one has ever accused him of being a snake. Meyer? There's a mountain of evidence that guy is a snake. Great football coach though.

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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #190 on: October 23, 2018, 10:08:49 AM »
Pretty sure Harbaugh has been a snake and a liar, too.  Ask Erik Swenson.  Also Harbaugh has been arrested multiple times.  If he coached under Urban then Urban would get flak for hiring him.

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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #191 on: October 23, 2018, 10:29:55 AM »
Pretty sure Harbaugh has been a snake and a liar, too.  Ask Erik Swenson.  Also Harbaugh has been arrested multiple times.  If he coached under Urban then Urban would get flak for hiring him.
My interest here isn't in this womp-womp crap fight about the morals of Meyer v. Harbaugh v. Dantonio, just in accuracy about the Swenson thing. 

Erik was explicitly told he needed to work out in front of the staff to keep his offer. This happened the summer before he was to sign. He blew the coaches off and months later had his offer rescinded as promised. That wasn't a story of lying. It was a story of Harbaugh woefully mismanaging a kid and his expectations. Put another way, it was an honest mistake that was also unacceptable in that things like this can't be allowed to happen.

(I.E., Harbaugh made the bad mistake [a mistake of style and timing] but also told the truth when he said come work out now or risk losing your offer.)
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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #192 on: October 23, 2018, 10:43:45 AM »
We all have opinions, but I have no problem calling a coach a liar if he knows a kid thinks he has a scholarship offer when he doesn't.  So I have no problem calling Harbaugh a liar for that.

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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #193 on: October 23, 2018, 10:44:20 AM »
Pretty sure Harbaugh has been a snake and a liar, too.  Ask Erik Swenson.  Also Harbaugh has been arrested multiple times.  If he coached under Urban then Urban would get flak for hiring him.
Or once. 15 years ago with a .09 OVI. From which he called a team meeting and met with administration the next day and apologized for his mistakes. Facts are hard to come by, I guess. A good lesson for Urban on personal accountability actually
Love how a Michigan / Michigan State game thread has turned into Ohio State fans whining about Jim Harbaugh whining. Don’t let your kids play for a complainer, but definitely send them to a staff that includes Meyer, Schiano, Zach Smith, and Wilson. Ohh, the skeletons. Righteous indignation!!

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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #194 on: October 23, 2018, 10:49:31 AM »
Or once. 15 years ago with a .09 OVI. From which he called a team meeting and met with administration the next day and apologized for his mistakes. Facts are hard to come by, I guess. A good lesson for Urban on personal accountability actually
Love how a Michigan / Michigan State game thread has turned into Ohio State fans whining about Jim Harbaugh whining. Don’t let your kids play for a complainer, but definitely send them to a staff that includes Meyer, Schiano, Zach Smith, and Wilson. Ohh, the skeletons. Righteous indignation!!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1988-05-31-8801040010-story.html
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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #195 on: October 23, 2018, 11:18:14 AM »
We all have opinions, but I have no problem calling a coach a liar if he knows a kid thinks he has a scholarship offer when he doesn't.  So I have no problem calling Harbaugh a liar for that.
I try to judge behaviors as themselves rather than judge people for their behaviors. So whereas I believe in lies, I don't have any use for blanketly calling a person a liar/smelly/failure/success. I only have use for specifically pointing out the times they lied/smelled/failed/succeeded. 

And (aside from the benefit of limiting my judginess) here is another situation where the distinction seems to matter. You're noticing  that Swenson was told that he had to do X to get Y, didn't do X (work out in front of coaches), lost Y (his scholarship), and are effectively responding that "this thing that wasn't a lie feels like the sort of crummy thing liars would do."

 

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