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Topic: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game

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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #154 on: October 22, 2018, 01:50:41 PM »
Good for him, glad he's still thinking about it 48 hours later.

The right response from MD now is exactly that.  Go full snark.  That he's happy for their players, to see them rush the field like that, it's good for them.  A program win.  They haven't had a win like that in 12 years, so he's glad they are still enjoying it and thinking about it 2 days later.

I doubt that's what we get, but that's what I'm rooting for.

I do find it funny that a little bit of gamesmanship both ways is still somehow a story 2 days later, but whatever.
Except they had a win like that 2 years ago. In 2016. Harbaugh is now 2-0 in East Lansing. Would be 3-1 against Sparty if not for that fluke blocked punt return for TD with 8 seconds left in the game. That will haunt me forever.

I honestly think a better play call than a punt there would've been to call a pass out of the shotgun with your most athletic QB and just tell the QB to sit in the pocket for 2-3 seconds, then run around for 2-3 more seconds and to roll out of the pocket to avoid an intentional grounding penalty and then at the last possible second to launch a ball as high and as far as he can in the air towards the sideline.

MSU probably wouldn't have gotten the ball back at all if you pull it off right and if they do get the ball back they'd have 1 second left max.
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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #155 on: October 22, 2018, 01:51:40 PM »
I mean beating a ranked team on the road.  What was it like 17 in a row?  I just like answering snark with snark.

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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #156 on: October 22, 2018, 01:55:46 PM »
I have no problem with Michigan players talking smack after the win. They earned the right to talk shit. They backed it up on the field.

I have a problem with Dantonio or MSU players or coaches acting like a bunch of sour pussies after the loss. You lost. Be a man and shut up and take the loss.

Got no problem with Chase talking smack to that dumb MSU fanboy reporter on twitter. None.

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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #157 on: October 22, 2018, 01:57:13 PM »
And for the record I like the MSU players acting like this is our house and I liked Devin Bush cleating up the logo. Hell if I was him I would've dropped my pants and taken a fat shit right on the logo.

I like the attitude and the disrespect these guys have for one another. I love it actually.

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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #158 on: October 22, 2018, 02:02:33 PM »
I have a problem with Dantonio or MSU players or coaches acting like a bunch of sour pussies after the loss. You lost. Be a man and shut up and take the loss.

I think your aim is a little off on which coach is still whining.

And FTR, I said pregame I had no problem with anything Devin Bush did, or anything that happened pregame

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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #159 on: October 22, 2018, 02:11:07 PM »
I think your aim is a little off on which coach is still whining.
Nah.
Dantonio clearly lied with his BS comment. There is video evidence he was just a few yards behind his team laughing his ass off.
And he also lied about Lewerke not practicing. Said he didn't practice. The OC Warner said he practiced all week. I think the OC would know.
Looks like he's just looking for lies and excuses for his juvenile behavior and his teams shitty performance. Injuries aren't an excuse. Every team has injuries. Maybe Mark just needs to shut up and start recruiting better in order to build depth. Really amazes me he doesn't recruit as well as he should. He's built a very good program, they have nice facilities and a nice stadium, they are in one of the two premier conferences (the other being the SEC) and he's put lots of guys into the NFL. He should be having top 25 classes every single year. His last 3 classes: #36, #31, and right now it's at 24th but that's largely because he landed the 5* in-stater Dobbs and his teammate the 4* DB Barnett. You remove them from that equation and their class would fall to #43. Every other commit he has besides those two are 3*'s.
Mark just needs to recruit better.
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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #160 on: October 22, 2018, 02:23:15 PM »
The video also shows 3 UM players still on the field which lines up with the statement that they were asked to back up for a second and all of them except 3 did.  Granted I'm surprised they were able to still play after taking such a vicious "clothesline" following "an orchestrated stormstrooper "march."  You know one they've done 100+ times without issue.


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I just enjoy he's still so concerned about it 48 hours later AFTER A WIN.  This is the type of shit MSU used to do that would drive me crazy.

It's gamesmanship.  Clearly there was something miscommunicated.  MSU did their walk at the same time they always do.  They left their hotel at exactly 9:45, as they always do for a 12 game, takes about 15 minutes, there were 3 players who stayed on the field, they weren't going to back down, MSU wasn't going to back down and not do their walk.  It was what it was.  Bush did what he did.  I'm fine with it.  That's where the story ends.  Unless you are still whining about it 48 hours later.

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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #161 on: October 22, 2018, 02:34:46 PM »
Well, I don't want to see them swinging helmets at each other like in Miami a few years ago.  So pre-game contact obviously needs to be managed.  That should have been the coaching staff's job but if they're not doing it then the ADs and Big Ten need to get involved.   If Dantonio had his team out there intentionally for their line dance when they were suppose to be elsewhere he should be reprimanded.   Which I'm sure he'd wear as a badge of honor.
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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #162 on: October 22, 2018, 02:42:53 PM »
Well, I don't want to see them swinging helmets at each other like in Miami a few years ago.  So pre-game contact obviously needs to be managed.  That should have been the coaching staff's job but if they're not doing it then the ADs and Big Ten need to get involved.   If Dantonio had his team out there intentionally for their line dance when they were suppose to be elsewhere he should be reprimanded.   Which I'm sure he'd wear as a badge of honor.
All we know regarding the timing is that MSU publicises they do their team walk from the hotel at 9:45.  They advertise it.  It usually takes about 15 minutes, they walk the field, then it's done.  UM came out at 9:50.  MSU arrived at 10:02.  My guess is someone from UM asked what time they did the walk at, they were told 9:45.  Somewhere someone probably should have clarified or asked what that meant.  UM comes out at 9:50, assumed they walked the field at 9:45 and are done, MSU arrives 10 minutes later.  MSU officials try to clear the field.  All except Bush, Hudson and one other player do.  They play a weird game of chicken.  Hudson, and whoever was walking where he was accommodated each other, unlocked arms and he turned sideways.  Whoever was lined up with Bush wasn't going to do that, Bush wasn't going to do what Hudson did, and you get what happened.  Bush goes crazy.  He's a captain.  His teammates voted him captain.  They know who he is.  They know that's what they like from him.  It fires them up.  Cool beans.  That's what captains do.  End of story, or not.  But certainly no big deal, either way, as I said on here Saturday morning.  I like everyone to be who they are.  97 guys on UM's roster are like, hey, let's step over here for a second.  Bush and Hudson say nah, but when it comes down to it, Hudson, and whatever MSU players walked around him have a limited level of asshole, and both sort of back down.  Bush, and whoever was over there didn't.  But it's authentic, and harmless.  Despite any hilarious attempts to play it up into something more.

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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #163 on: October 22, 2018, 03:13:42 PM »
Love this. Rivalries are meant to be bitter. And I guess when you are the winning side of it you will love it. Michigan is finally as petty and vindictive as Coach D and Sparty have been for the last 8-9 years. It has fueled the "Spartan Dawgs" mantra and Dantonio's "60 minutes of unnecessary roughness" culture he has built. Finally Michigan is taking it seriously, fighting back, and beating the Spartans at their own game. Minus a couple miscues, this one would have been an absolute route. This was a more dominant performance than the Wisconsin game. 

The one thing I found odd is the Spartans rolling out with warmups on + their helmets. I know we have time stamp specialists and zapruder film specialists on each side really trying to break this down. Some of those specialists have highlighted previous instances of the Sparta walk where they did it without helmets, which makes sense when you recognize it's 90 MINUTES before a game and you have street clothes on. They knew the S***storm they wanted to create when they started this, and I don't dislike it. Good for the Michigan guys to stand their ground on their side of the 50. Devin Bush got his Tianemen Square Insta photo out of it too. 

Michigan can hang on it for a day or two while they rest up, and then move on to Penn State prep. 2 big games left + a sneaky one with Indiana. 

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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #164 on: October 22, 2018, 03:19:53 PM »
Devin Bush got his Tianemen Square Insta photo out of it too.
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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #165 on: October 22, 2018, 03:25:24 PM »
Lost in all of the bluster is the fact that Mark Dantonio is 13-12 since the beginning of the 2016 season. 3-6 against Michigan, Penn State, and Ohio State.

I know the Offensive Coordinator sits on a very hot seat right now, but that was a recognized problem going into the season. MD chose to roll with it. Crowley Sullivan should have plenty of loaded questions for the next Dantonio presser. I get the heat on Harbaugh. The jury is still out on how this season plays out. Does Dantonio face some heat now? He built the empire, but it has some cracks in the foundation, and like Harbaugh, it appears loyalty and stubbornness might be holding him back to some degree.
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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #166 on: October 22, 2018, 03:35:11 PM »
Lost in all of the bluster is the fact that Mark Dantonio is 13-12 since the beginning of the 2016 season. 3-6 against Michigan, Penn State, and Ohio State.

I know the Offensive Coordinator sits on a very hot seat right now, but that was a recognized problem going into the season. MD chose to roll with it. Crowley Sullivan should have plenty of loaded questions for the next Dantonio presser. I get the heat on Harbaugh. The jury is still out on how this season plays out. Does Dantonio face some heat now? He built the empire, but it has some cracks in the foundation, and like Harbaugh, it appears loyalty and stubbornness might be holding him back to some degree.
While he SHOULD be, unfortunately I don't think he is.  Dantonio's loyalty will be the end of him.  Not in terms of a hot seat, he'll retire in East Lansing, MSU fans are not unrealistic as to what they are.  Basically we were hoping Dantonio would be our Ferentz, make us Iowa, and he's exceeded that.  We are the #2 program in a state without a ton of high school talent, with a helmet school within our state as well as both border states (excluding the UP touching Wisconsin).  2013-2015 so vastly exceeded expectations, but I don't think anyone thought those days were going to last forever when you are in a division with 3 helmet schools.

Honestly, any year we finish higher than 4th in the division, we've exceeded expectations, and most MSU fans know that.  If Dantonio does just as good a job as Meyer, Harbaugh or Franklin, MSU will finish 4th.  He has to be better than all 3, every year, and that simply isn't realistic.  And that's ok.
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Re: #6 Michigan (5-0, 7-1) at #24 Michigan State (2-2, 4-3) Post Game
« Reply #167 on: October 22, 2018, 03:43:29 PM »
MSU was #10 in S&P+ offense in 2013.  Since then...#31, #66, #92, #96.  Yet Dave Warner is still there.

I don't want another retread in Don Treadwell, but he's back on staff as an advisor, make him the OC for the rest of the year, and then go hire one in the offseason.  He was MSU's OC from 2007-2010, taking over a dumpster fire program, and only finished outside the top 25 in Offensive S&P+ once, when they were #41.  Hell, back then we wondered when Dantonio would fire Narduzzi and go get a real DC to stop squandering Treadwell's offenses.

 

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