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SFBadger96

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6720 on: August 25, 2020, 05:19:32 PM »
From the font of all wisdom:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States#:~:text=1967%20%E2%80%93%20Long%20Hot%20Summer%20of,%E2%80%9317%2C%20Newark%2C%20New%20Jersey

This doesn't talk about the severity, but civil unrest isn't new, nor has it gotten measurably worse. 1967 and 1968 were pretty bad years.

Many of the labor strikes in the pre-Labor Act days were far more violent than what we see today.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6721 on: August 25, 2020, 05:22:39 PM »
So, that gets us down to possibly 48 police officers shot and killed in 2019.

Also in 2019, police officers shot and killed 1,004 civilians.
some of them had it coming

the question is.......... how many?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6722 on: August 25, 2020, 05:27:37 PM »
Our county recently released video from an officer-involved shooting. Totally justified. The woman had fired a round from her shotgun, it was on the ground in front of her with officers ordering her to stay away from it, and she lunged back for it, resulting in the police shooting her. She died. It was hard to watch, and the shooting was justified. When I saw it, the first thing I thought was how incredibly brave the police were to run into that situation, knowing a person was armed and threatening to shoot them (and in fact, had already shot at them). I tried to imagine the amount of stress and adrenaline involved in that situation. Whether I could actually put myself in their shoes or not, I know what they went through was awful. Not one of them put their uniform on that day thinking they would have to kill someone. But they did--and they were doing the right thing--and very bravely. Thank goodness for that bravery.

At the same time, I worry that we, as a people, fetishize gun violence, and as a result our nation is more dangerous, for both the citizenry and the police, than other advanced/industrialized nations. How that manifests in the numbers of officer-involved shootings, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it's a significant factor.


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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6723 on: August 25, 2020, 05:47:43 PM »
According to statistics reported to the FBI, 89 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2019.
Poor choice of words. Police are shot just about every day in this country and killed in many of those incidences. Just a scan of the news since the end of last month you can openly see two shot in Oklahoma, three shot in Maryland, three shot in Texas, three shot in Chicago, it goes on and on. That does not include those who are salted with bricks. Laser beams to the eye. Fireworks. Vehicles. Again the list goes on and on.  
I am very familiar with the data as there are several reliable sources to get what is often considered confusing data. One thing is for sure, your odds of being killed between being white, black, Hispanic, and in law-enforcement are by far the greatest in law enforcement.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6724 on: August 25, 2020, 05:51:17 PM »
the high speed chase has been one of my issues for decades.  It still happens here regularly.

especially when young people are involved - 15-20 years old
Basically we are there. People feel they do not need to listen to the police and in fact are angered by the fact that they’re being asked to submit or to comply. They know they will have a ton of support in this regard.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6725 on: August 25, 2020, 05:55:31 PM »
And was this specific event driven by race? Who knows, but it's easy for me to believe the answer is no. But in the bigger picture, the situation--that black people are on the receiving end of more of these situations than white people, is absolutely a function of race in America. That's what needs to be owned up to so that we can begin to make serious efforts to address it.”


So help me understand this. Are you saying that white people and Black people are in the situations an equal amount of times but Black people are treated differently? Or are you saying that Black people are in these types of situations were this kind of force, excessive or otherwise, happens?

Or, Are you saying that given the equal number of “opportunities” that Black people behave differently in those situations because of their past experiences? 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6726 on: August 25, 2020, 06:01:13 PM »
Basically we are there. People feel they do not need to listen to the police and in fact are angered by the fact that they’re being asked to submit or to comply. They know they will have a ton of support in this regard.
Do we think people ran from the police less historically?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6727 on: August 25, 2020, 06:02:46 PM »
Poor choice of words. Police are shot just about every day in this country and killed in many of those incidences. Just a scan of the news since the end of last month you can openly see two shot in Oklahoma, three shot in Maryland, three shot in Texas, three shot in Chicago, it goes on and on. That does not include those who are salted with bricks. Laser beams to the eye. Fireworks. Vehicles. Again the list goes on and on. 
I am very familiar with the data as there are several reliable sources to get what is often considered confusing data. One thing is for sure, your odds of being killed between being white, black, Hispanic, and in law-enforcement are by far the greatest in law enforcement.
This is probably accurate though to a degree disingenuous if used to make much of a point.  

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6728 on: August 25, 2020, 06:06:13 PM »
Do we think people ran from the police less historically?
I do.


Anyway, those (if any) who might be rooting against the cops here will not like this post.

I've just been told by a Waukegan cop who knows these guys that they were wearing their own personal body cameras on Sunday when this happened.

The WDOJ investigation should not take long, and then the Governor should resign.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6729 on: August 25, 2020, 06:07:19 PM »
A lot SHOULD happen, most of it never seems to happen.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6730 on: August 25, 2020, 06:08:38 PM »
This is probably accurate though to a degree disingenuous if used to make much of a point. 
Nice.  Far more whites than blacks are killed by law enforcement.  That gets thrown out by the “ but not if you look at the %s “ crowd. 

I simply followed that same data process anticipating it being thrown back if I used raw data.  But it’s disingenuous lol.  

no- it really isn’t. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6731 on: August 25, 2020, 06:09:32 PM »
I do.


Anyway, those (if any) who might be rooting against the cops here will not like this post.

I've just been told by a Waukegan cop who knows these guys that they were wearing their own personal body cameras on Sunday when this happened.

The WDOJ investigation should not take long, and then the Governor should resign.
“If any”.   You are being very kind. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6732 on: August 25, 2020, 06:10:15 PM »
Do we think people ran from the police less historically?
Oh hell yes.  It is standard behavior now.

And not just run, actually fight or assault or otherwise physically resist. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #6733 on: August 25, 2020, 06:19:03 PM »


I'm not talking about the protesters at all in this case. I'm talking about the idea that taking lives would be fun.

To be clear, I think the property damage is terrible. I also think the government taking lives is terrible, though a necessity at points.
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