2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread

[847badgerfan]

I see NW has those crappy rims.

Fill me in please. What are crappy rims?


Anyway, UNL hung strong last night but lacks depth. They had the two best players (Burke, Mack, 36 mins/each) on the floor last night. I can see how Hoiberg is going to build something there. Mack is a JuCo?

[bayareabadger]

Fill me in please. What are crappy rims?


Anyway, UNL hung strong last night but lacks depth. They had the two best players (Burke, Mack, 36 mins/each) on the floor last night. I can see how Hoiberg is going to build something there. Mack is a JuCo?

A. Yes, he's a JUCO
B. Small irony they played about as deep as most UW teams
C. That was a big win for UW basically because they just don't have many opponents of that caliber left (two to be exact) and that was the most winnable game the rest of the way.

The next stretch will be interesting
@Purdue
@Iowa
MSU at home
@Minnestoa
OSU in Madison

1-4 puts a lot of pressure on winning every favored game down the stretch. Get to 2-3 and you're in solid shape to dance. Go 3-2, and three wins away from clinching a spot with five games left of 64 or better projected percentage chance to win.

[betarhoalphadelta]

I don't know what it means for UNL, but if you drop Purdue to tier 3 and move Nebraska up from tier 5 to 4, Purdue goes from -2 to even.

Loss to UNL no longer an upset. Loss to IL remains a negative upset. Win over MSU becomes a positive upset.

[medinabuckeye1]

I don't know what it means for UNL, but if you drop Purdue to tier 3 and move Nebraska up from tier 5 to 4, Purdue goes from -2 to even.

Loss to UNL no longer an upset. Loss to IL remains a negative upset. Win over MSU becomes a positive upset.

We should consider it.  I would like some feedback from the group.  After last night's upset (IL over PU in West Lafayette) there are now three teams outside of +/-1.  They are:

• +2 Illinois
• +2 Nebraska
• -2 Purdue

Illinois is in tier-3.  The difference between tier-2 and tier-3 is projected result in home games against tier-1 and road games against tier-4.  Currently there are no teams in tier-4 but if we elevated UNL there would be.  I doesn't matter because the Illini do not visit Lincoln this season anyway so that just leaves home games against the tier-1 teams:

• vs MSU Lost
• vs UMD 2/7

If we move them up their two upset wins (@UW, @PU) would still be upsets and their loss to MSU would also be an upset.  Lets wait and see if they can beat Maryland at home on 2/7. 

Nebraska is in tier-5.  The difference between tier-4 and tier-5 is projected result in home games against tier-3.  There are currently four and there would be five if we dropped Purdue to tier-3.  In those five potential games:

• vs IL not played
• vs MN not played
• vs RU Lost
• vs IU Lost
• vs PU Won

I just can't see upgrading UNL at this point.  Even if we do drop Purdue down to tier-3 the Cornhuskers would still only be 1-2 in the three games that determine the difference between tier-4 and tier-5.  I think we just have to look at their upsets and say hey, upsets happen.  Also remember that Nebraska's initial projection was 1-19 so they have 19 chances for positive variance and only one chance for negative variance. 

Purdue is in tier-2.  The difference between tier-3 and tier-2 is projected result in home games against tier-1 and road games against tier-4.  There are no tier-4 teams so it is just the result in home games against tier-1 teams.  Those are:

• vs UMD not played
• vs MSU won

Thus, Purdue is 1-0 in these games.  Even if we elevated UNL they would still only be 1-1 and their two upsets (vsIL, @UNL) would still be upsets even if we dropped them a tier. 

New projected final standings (I'll do a complete update with tiebreakers and whatnot on Friday):

• 15-5:  MSU, UMD
• 12-8:  M, UW
• 11-9:  tOSU, PSU, IA, IL
• 10-10:  PU, RU
• 9-11:  IU, MN
• 3-17:  UNL
• 1-10:  NU

As usual I will point out that with 10 teams all bunched up within three games of one another this is all VERY fluid at this point. 

[mcwterps1]

Fill me in please. What are crappy rims?


Anyway, UNL hung strong last night but lacks depth. They had the two best players (Burke, Mack, 36 mins/each) on the floor last night. I can see how Hoiberg is going to build something there. Mack is a JuCo?

Ever play? 

The type of rims that rattle. Clemson has them too. 

The kind you'd see at some run down park. 

Some rims, are tight. You can dunk on them and they have a strong bounce to them. They don't rattle and vibrate like a loose muffler. 

[847badgerfan]

I quit hoops after 8th grade. Football and baseball were my things.

[FearlessF]

I think rims became more forgiving when they invented the break away rims to counter the shattered backboards from dunks.

there's just obviously a bit of give there when there was not previously

with a 3 point line and more forgiving rims, Jerry West and Gail Goodrich would be even more famous

[ELA]

Maui rims are famously forgiving.  Mix that with the shallow backdrops, and its a shooter's dream.

[medinabuckeye1]

Penn State's upset win in Ann Arbor moves their projection up to 12-8 and Michigan's down to 11-9.

[mcwterps1]

I quit hoops after 8th grade. Football and baseball were my things.

I only asked because you would understand the description better, which I still don't think I gave. 

You basically have to swish it, because if you didn't, the rim could rattle enough to make the ball bounce out unexpectedly. 

[MichiFan87]

Tonight was disappointing. The bottom line is that Michigan needs to get Livers back ASAP and hopefully on Saturday.

They still should've been able to win tonight though. The defense actually was good enough tonight, and the offense was rather disappointing between the turnovers, missed open 3s, and bad possessions in general.

They did finally tighten the rotation with Nunez and Castleton not playing at all and DeJulius finally got more minutes, too, though he didn't have a good game, to be fair.

[MaximumSam]

Tonight we should see if the Bucks are well and truly in the toilet

[medinabuckeye1]

New projected final standings.  I'll do tiebreakers and whatnot tomorrow:

• 15-5:  MSU, UMD
• 12-8:  UW, PSU
• 11-9:  tOSU, M, IA, IL
• 10-10:  PU, RU
• 9-11:  IU, MN
• 3-17:  UNL
• 1-19:  NU

As I always point out, this is all very fluid due to there being 10 teams within three games of one another at 12-8, 11-9, 10-10, and 9-11.  For example, with PSU out and M in the four-way tie at 11-9, the tiebreakers change completely because it is now H2H2H2H with M instead of PSU.  

A look just at tonight's games will illustrate just how fluid this is:

• Minnesota at Ohio State, we project tOSU to win and finish 11-9 and MN to lose and finish 9-11.  If Minnesota wins both teams join PU and RU in a projected four-way tie at 10-10 for 8th/9th/10th/11th.  
• Michigan State at Indiana, we project MSU to win and finish 15-5 and IU to lose and finish 9-11.  If Indiana wins they move up to a projected three-way tie at 10-10 with RU and PU for 9th/10th/11th.  Meanwhile, MSU drops out of the projected tie for first at 15-5 (which they would win) and into second place at 14-6.  

Note that an upset in either game would impact at least three teams in addition to the two playing.  

[medinabuckeye1]

Tonight we should see if the Bucks are well and truly in the toilet

Yep.  These next three (vsMN, @NU, vsIU) are crucial.  They are all winnable but none are complete gimmies.  If they win all three they move to .500 in the league and looking pretty good for at least an NCAA berth.  If they lose more than one they are in serious trouble.