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Abba

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #826 on: January 03, 2020, 02:46:33 PM »
I assume he will be received well.  Kid wasn't getting enough minutes, so I don't blame him for transferring.  The knuckleheads that might boo this sort of thing probably don't follow basketball closely enough to even know he was on the team.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #827 on: January 03, 2020, 06:32:33 PM »
Somewhere upthread @bwarbiany and I had a discussion of PU's NCAA chances based on their current projection.  We project them to go 11-9 in conference and thus to finish 18-13 overall when including their 7-4 OOC record.  He was a bit more pessimistic about their chances of getting in with that record than I am.  Purdue had a pretty tough OOC including a great win over UVA and some other potential quality wins.  Additionally, their four OOC losses are all likely to end up at least "not terrible".  Thus, I think that if PU finishes 18-13 they would probably get in with a 1-1 performance in the BTT.  

In that discussion @bwarbiany had noted that he usually thinks of 20 wins as being "safe".  I know he already knows this, but I thought now was a good time to expand on that.  I generally agree, but not all 18-13 teams are created equal.  

In our model we project Rutgers to finish with the exact same overall record as Purdue, 18-13.  If both of those things happen, Rutgers will need to do a LOT more in the BTT than Purdue will.  Purdue is currently 12th in the worldwide leader's "BPI" with the 29th ranked SoS.  Rutgers, despite a better record is only 57th due to their SoS being a woeful 158th.  Rutgers' two OOC losses were to St Bonaventure and Pitt and the likely only quality OOC win was over Seton Hall.  

Prior to last year's tournament the record for most losses for an at-large team was 15.  When you get into the range of 14 or 15 losses you need to have a REALLY good SoS to make up for it.  

If Rutgers finishes 18-13/9-11 then loses in the BTT Title game to finish 21-14 I think they'd make it but anything less than that would be questionable at best.  Purdue, on the other hand, would probably be in at 19-14 and would almost certainly be in at 20-14.  

The reason I brought this up now is that, based on our projections, the B1G teams closest to the bubble are PU, RU, and IU (all projected to finish 18-13).  That is why I said this upthread:  
I think the RU @ UNL game tonight is big for the Scarlet Knights. Based on our predictions they will win this but it is a potentially dangerous game and one they cannot afford to lose.
Particularly for these three teams, extra losses would be seriously problematic.  To be safe I think that RU needs to end up +2 in net upsets on our model.  Ie, they need two positive upsets and zero negative upsets or three positive and one negative, etc.  A loss in Lincoln tonight would really make that a big hill to climb for the Scarlet Knights.  

FYI, BPI SoS rank for B1G teams:
  • #6 Minnesota
  • #13 Michigan
  • #15 Wisconsin
  • #17 Iowa
  • #29 Purdue
  • #41 Maryland
  • #46 Ohio State
  • #47 Illinois
  • #51 Michigan State
  • #70 Northwestern
  • #93 Penn State
  • #120 Nebraska
  • #143 Indiana
  • #158 Rutgers

IMHO, Rutgers', Nebraska's, and Penn State's weak OOC SoS is understandable/excusable because those teams generally aren't very good but Indian's is just a joke.  

Minnesota should really be commended, their SoS is the best for a P5 team.  The five teams ahead of them in SoS are each 3-10 or worse and hail from the SWAC, Southland, and MEAC.  Those team's SoS will obviously drop like a rock as conference play begins while Minnesota is reasonably likely to end up #1.  

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #828 on: January 03, 2020, 06:52:54 PM »
I'll just put this here because Gonzaga perennially annoys me.  They played a few good OOC games:

  • Oregon in the Battle4Atlantis
  • Michigan in the Battle4Atlantis
  • Washington on the road
  • Arizona on the road
  • North Carolina at home
That said, their overall OOC is pathetic for a WCC team that people treat like a BB blueblood.  Their current SoS is #147 which is about the same as Indiana.  There is obviously a HUMONGOUS difference though because Indiana plays in a vastly tougher conference.  
  • Gonzaga is currently #5 in BPI.  That would be good for 3rd in the B1G behind #2 MSU and #4 tOSU.  
  • #2 in the WCC is #20 St. Mary's.  That would be good for 7th in the B1G also behind #11 UMD, #12 PU, #17 UW, and #19 Iowa.  
  • #3 in the WCC is #33 BYU.  That would be good for 9th in the B1G also behind #21 M and #22 PSU.  
  • #4 in the WCC is #89 San Francisco.  That would be good for 13th also behind #35 MN, #39 IL, #43 IU, and #57 RU.  
  • #5 in the WCC is #143 Santa Clara.  That would be next-to-last in the B1G barely edging out #144 UNL and behind #131 NU.  
  • #6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 in the WCC are #156 Pepperdine, #161 Pacific, #185 San Diego, #227 Loyola Marymount, and #288 Portland.  Each of those five would be easily the worst in the B1G.  

My point is that if Gonzaga wants to be treated like a P5 school they should play a RIDICULOUSLY tough OOC such that when the season ends their overall SoS will be at least somewhat comparable.  At this point in the season every year, Gonzaga's SoS should be #1.  


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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #829 on: January 03, 2020, 07:57:59 PM »
I mean the Zags aren't really in need of more respect at this point

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #830 on: January 03, 2020, 08:00:56 PM »
Bucks shooting a scintillating 10 percent from 3 in the first half

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #831 on: January 03, 2020, 08:12:07 PM »
I mean the Zags aren't really in need of more respect at this point
My point is that they annoy me because they get WAY more than they deserve. 

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #832 on: January 03, 2020, 08:40:33 PM »
Bucks shooting a scintillating 10 percent from 3 in the first half
January lull 2.0.  Hopefully they can wake up enough to get a W here. 

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #833 on: January 03, 2020, 09:12:51 PM »
This effin team. 

On Wisconsin.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #834 on: January 03, 2020, 09:14:20 PM »
The Buckeyes are in free-fall. They have now lost three of five and none were expected losses. 

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #835 on: January 03, 2020, 09:14:36 PM »
Again get really bogged down on offense. Some poor shooting but not getting enough production from the outside given how much attention Wesson gets.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #836 on: January 03, 2020, 09:15:02 PM »
The Buckeyes are in free-fall. They have now lost three of five and none were expected losses.
Also beat Kentucky

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #837 on: January 03, 2020, 09:29:51 PM »
The turnovers are catching up to them finally.  Good for Wisconsin, they wanted and needed it more.  Buckeyes went 1-6 last January, so hopefully they can improve on that this year.

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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #838 on: January 03, 2020, 09:40:05 PM »
My point is that they annoy me because they get WAY more than they deserve.
I mean what more can they really do? I read somewhere that the WCC went down to 16 games to give their schools more chances to improve their RPI.

Gonzaga always plays in a top non-con tournament (Atlantis, Maui, etc.) and plays some good non-con games on top of that (Arizona, Washington, North Carolina, and Texas A&M this year). Their guarantee games aren't that bad, either, and they didn't schedule any non-D1 schools, either. The WCC is also decent this year with Saint Mary's, Santa Clara, BYU, San Francisco, and Pacific all good enough to finish in the top 100 by which ever ranking system you prefer (NET, RPI, KenPom / BartTorvik, etc.).

Conversely, Ohio State hasn't played in a non-con tournament the past 2 years. Yes, they're in the CBS Sports neutral site game each year, they had a series with Cincinnati, and happened to be in the Gavitt Games the past 2 years, but they've still had 6 and 7 guarantee games the past 2 years, too.
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Re: 2019-2020 B1G Basketball Thread
« Reply #839 on: January 03, 2020, 09:46:39 PM »
Also beat Kentucky
That was great but the other four of their last five were a meaningless win and three unexpected losses.

 

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