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Topic: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game

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Mdot21

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #140 on: October 11, 2018, 11:22:17 PM »
how are Wisconsin's special teams? Outside of that bad 98 yard kick return Michigan gave up to Ty Johnson, their special teams have honestly been fantastic. Punter is booming them. Kicker can hit 50 yarders in his sleep. Ambry Thomas and DPJ have both had returns for TD's as return men.

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #141 on: October 12, 2018, 06:44:31 AM »
Mostly touchbacks on KO, and mostly pins inside the 15 on punts.



Returns have been just OK. #1 has been close to ripping a TD several times. Eventually it will happen. He's just a true freshman.



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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #142 on: October 12, 2018, 12:17:31 PM »
One fun aspect of this game which could be interesting:

What if my preseason prediction comes true, that these two teams play twice this season?  ( which is a VERY real possibility)

Do any of the walking dead who can’t play, make it back for the second game and if so, will they make the outcome different. I think of examples like last season. Wasn’t it Georgia who got trounced by Auburn, but cleaned Auburn’s clock in the SECCG?
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #143 on: October 12, 2018, 12:58:27 PM »
That's fun to imagine. And it could be ENTIRELY different. But Michigan (prob) has to either go undefeated or lose only once (against anyone except OSU) to get there. That's an awful lot of proving left to do.

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #144 on: October 12, 2018, 02:11:34 PM »
I'm super late to this thread, and won't read all of it. Bottom line: Michigan is justifiably heavily favored (I think the line is currently 10). Their loss is understandable, against a good team. Wisconsin's loss was a major upset, but frankly, not out of character with how the team is playing. The Badgers' offense is essentially the same as last season. Not any better, not any worse. The defense is substantially worse than last season, and with the dinged up secondary, it will be even worse this weekend.

Impossible for the Badgers? No.
Unlikely? Yes. Wisconsin has a terrible record in Ann Arbor--even when they have a better team than Michigan, and this game isn't likely to change that.

So...

There's NO WAY Wisconsin wins. :-)

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #145 on: October 12, 2018, 03:28:31 PM »
I'm super late to this thread, and won't read all of it. Bottom line: Michigan is justifiably heavily favored (I think the line is currently 10). Their loss is understandable, against a good team. Wisconsin's loss was a major upset, but frankly, not out of character with how the team is playing. The Badgers' offense is essentially the same as last season. Not any better, not any worse. The defense is substantially worse than last season, and with the dinged up secondary, it will be even worse this weekend.

Impossible for the Badgers? No.
Unlikely? Yes. Wisconsin has a terrible record in Ann Arbor--even when they have a better team than Michigan, and this game isn't likely to change that.

So...

There's NO WAY Wisconsin wins. :-)
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There's NO WAY that Michigan wins. :P

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #146 on: October 12, 2018, 04:08:02 PM »

***BIG TEN GAME OF THE WEEK***
#15 Wisconsin Badgers (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan Wolverines (3-0, 5-1)
7:30 - Ann Arbor, MI - ABC
Alright Michigan, here we go.  Beating up inferior competition isn't nothing, and I mean that.  Harbaugh came in, and basically declared the days of dropping games to Maryland, Rutgers and Minnesota was over.  The Wolverines have enough talent they should just go line up and win 9+ games a year at worst.  But he's not the third highest paid coach in football to win 9 or 10 games, and the next step, the step where some national pundits get him, is these types of games.  He's gone 3-7 against conference opponents who finished ranked, and this is the first of many chances left this year to fix that.  It starts under center, where Michigan was 104-180 (57.8%) for 1,288 yards (161 ypg), 8 TDs and 4 INTs last year in their 8 wins, but 81-166 (48.8%) for 938 yards, 1 TDs and 6 INTs in their 5 losses.  This is why Harbaugh went and got Shea Patterson.  His quarterback play with Peters, and probably adding McCaffrey was good, but it wasn't enough to beat Wisconsin or Michigan State or Penn State, or most importantly Ohio State.  Notre Dame in his first game in the uniform, on the road, was a tall task.  This is at home, against a Wisconsin team that is not playing nearly as well as we assumed they would.  They lose this, talking point #1 on Monday, we all know what it will be.  Wisconsin is not as far off the mark as Michigan State seems to be, but they aren't particularly close either.  Nobody thought the BYU loss was good, but perhaps a forgivable loss to a team that appeared to be improved.  Well, since then, we've learned the Cal team that BYU lost to isn't actually good, and the COugars themselves have gotten run off the field in back to back weeks by Washington, and then Utah State.  Never thought I'd say this but the Wisconsin problems on defense are glaring.  We were shocked when BYU took the fight to them, but maybe we shouldn't have been.  Bucky is 2-0 in Big Ten play, but no thanks to their defense.  The fact that they are only giving up 20.5 ppg in conference play is a testament to how good they've been at ball control, averaging a league high 35:23 of possession a game.  Because of that, their defense has only been on the field for 122 plays through 2 conference games, only Michigan's defense has been on the field less.  But that makes sense, the Wolverines' 3.3 ypp allowed in Big Ten play is easily tops, almost a yard and a half PER PLAY ahead of #2 Michigan State (4.7 ypp).  The Badgers are LAST by almost a full yard at 7.6 ypp.  But they've kept opposing offenses off the field, and they've kept them out of the end zone.  The only other defenses at Wisconsin's rate of touchdowns allowed all rank in the top 4 in the conference on defense.  So is it smoke and mirrors, or is it the result of some fluky issues?  Probably a little bit of both.  Th enigma is their pass defense, which has surrendered a ghastly 9.9 ypa in conference play, and has an interception rate that ranks 11th...but is also holding opponents to 59.7% completions, which is actually 5th best.  The best solution is an improved pass rush, which has been largely non-existent all year.  But the loss of Isaiah Loudermilk to a leg injury doesn't seem to translate to that happening.  Where all the fun is going to be is in the trenches when Wisconsin has the ball.  Michigan's end are elite, nobody can question that, but can the handle up the middle against what PFF still says is the best offensive line in the Big Ten.  The Badgers have to stay ahead of the sticks, because they are certainly better in the middle of the line than on the edges, and they don't want to let Gary and Winovich dial in Hornibrook.  Their best pass blocking is probably simply forcing those guys to have to stay honest.  A lot is on the play calling here.  Wisconsin typically picks up such chunk run plays that they can use 1st down play action "recklessly" without fear of 2nd and 10.  Against Michigan...eh?  I think Wisconsin will have some success on offense, they did last year.  But last year they just kind of hung around while Michigan's offense sputtered, before putting together 4 consecutive drives in the 2nd half where they scored 17 points, and tallied 232 yards on 29 plays (8.0 ypp).  Up until that point, Michigan had stymied them to the tune of 97 yards on 27 plays (3.6 ypp).  I don't think this year this Michigan offense will be stuck in neutral for so long waiting on Wisconsin to get going.
MICHIGAN 31, WISCONSIN 23

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #147 on: October 12, 2018, 07:24:27 PM »
About the narrative (not the score), you nailed it. I also wasn't aware of some things. Like how enigmatically high and low the UW defense is. Is TOP really the best explanation for that? Wow. And the the YPP stats. Michigan and MSU are #1 and #2 and the margin is 1.4YPP? I wouldn't have expected a margin like that. Wow again. 

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #148 on: October 12, 2018, 08:06:51 PM »
Hahaha, never go full Paterno. The poor guy:






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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #149 on: October 12, 2018, 08:16:59 PM »
I mean anyone can say Michigan Stadium can vacillate away from roaring to ... a special kind of eerie quiet -- depending on the opponent and start time.
Wine and cheese crowd? For sure.
But the town itself? This place? I may have never met an outsider (disconnected from sports or from any school) who didn't think Ann Arbor is bold, underlined, italicized, supersized-in-helvetica DE-LIGHTFUL. I'm not sure there are streets in america with happier strangers on ordinary days. Maybe. But, those places, I haven't been there. Which isn't to say Ann Arbor runs away with the awards. Just that it's tied up there with several standouts.
Then again, I haven't been to Hawaii or Alaska yet, so I could still find a better college town later. Fairbanks sounds cool.
#nevergofullpaterno
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #150 on: October 12, 2018, 10:17:02 PM »
Hmmm, except my response sucked - pettily positive (arrogant) whereas his was pettily negative (dismissive). Classic Michigan stereotype. Guh.

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #151 on: October 12, 2018, 11:26:54 PM »
I'd say this one is pretty even:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fZPzg5MYwE&feature=youtu.be
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That game-sealing superman INT by Lewis at 1:05 still causes the same excitement in me.

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #152 on: October 13, 2018, 12:04:03 AM »
Preview from the Michigan side

"poor damn Jonathan Taylor's google image search" really got me

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #153 on: October 13, 2018, 12:36:20 AM »
Badger fans probably know, but Jason Gay is a UW grad with a gig at WSJ. His joke columns before this game in recent years have been enjoyable:

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