Lots of Badger fans, including this one, were fooled by last year's Orange Bowl performance. That's not going to happen again. The coaching staff needs to fix the QB situation.The word fooled is an interesting one.
There has been some speculation that Alex Hornibrook could be done playing football, but no official word on that at all. For his own sake, he should (and I'm sure he is) think about that one really hard. He's not an NFL QB and he's set to graduate this Spring, I believe.
The word fooled is an interesting one.Yep, I'd like to think I'd feel the same way if he were an awesome QB. And you know he still could be good. Just needs to clean things up. Better pass-pro would help too. Deitzen and Edwards got beat a lot out there.
We watched what was probably the second-best sophomore QB season in program history. The offense was efficient as hell. The second best player on offense was set to leave, but it seemed utterly reasonable to assume a QB PC liked, under his guidance, would at least be as good, if not better. Maybe we got fooled by basic logic, but that happens.
And the weirdest part was it wasn’t the ceiling that suffered, but the consistency. He went on the road and murdered a top-20 defense AND had that Minnesota game.
It reminds me of 2007 and 2008, when UW returned gobs of nominally good players and got worse and worse. Left Me playing wait and see all through the 2010 offseason I was scarred so.
Anyway, I hope the best for Alex, but I grow uneasy with discussion of his concussions. I hope we’d all say the same if he had a 170 QB rating. Anyway, there’s no clean, safe answer, so I suppose we should put last season’s lessons to use. Anything can happen.
(Or if we’re talking about Danny Davis being good, yeah, that bowl did fool me)
Just saw Wisconsin’s 2019 QB commit, Graham Mertz, throw three touchdown passes in the All-American Bowl game. I think we finally got a QB to match a successful running game. Big 10 watch out here we come.Looks good!
Correction now it’s five touch down passes. :72:
You think Mertz has a shot at starting? I'm starting to think why not? Which is mostly just a poor reflection of who's on the depth chart now.If it matches that year, Wolf has it.
Feels a little like 2009, really not knowing who will earn the spot. Hornibrook is likely done; Vanden Boom was on the depth chart for the bowl game over Chase Wolf, but maybe because they wanted to protect Wolf's redshirt? Lot's of youth...
If it matches that year, Wolf has it.Correct about the 2009 outcome...Tolzien mostly came out of left field. And correct about Mertz, I think; playbook will be difficult to absorb that quickly. And Wolf was pretty well liked coming out of high school, too. Maybe his redshirt year is just what he needed?
I get that he’s done all the hype worthy things, but I’m not gonna put that much on the freshman just yet. What you doing a random practice field or a pretend game is just a lot different then absorbing a full playbook and doing things against real college guys.
I also wonder if people are writing off Alex too quickly. In part I understand it, because people are just tired of watching him play.
I'm going to speculate that you will see a QB transfer after Spring ball, and possibly a position change for another.Is this assuming AH health or no?
Is this assuming AH health or no?Have to assume he's healthy and coming back. I also take heed to PC's comments after the bowl game. "We have to get better at the position" is what he said. So, what I think is that either AH (grad) transfers - or stops playing. I'm also thinking that Vanden Boom can play elsewhere - safety comes to mind, or even OLB if he can put on a few more pounds.
wait, so is that 4 or 5 starting Wisconsin OL gone now with Diezten retiring?I think they have a pair of tackles waiting in the wings. So unless he or one of them moves to guard, maybe not that much.
Wonder if hot-shot 5* Logan Brown gets some playing time as a true frosh.
Logan Brown did not enroll early. It's highly doubtful that he sees time this year, except for maybe in jumbo packages. Probably not worth burning a 'shirt over though, so 4 games max.generally you want to redshirt every OL recruit. The STARZ system for the most part gets it right- but they whiff on rankings, especially at OL- which generally speaking is a crapshoot- but Brown sure as hell looks ready to rock and roll day one from a physical standpoint. IF he's really that dude, then it makes no sense to redshirt him because he won't be staying 5 years anyway.
In a world where recruiting rankings are correct in aggregate, redshirting everyone is also the most reliable way to fight back. It's been a central characteristic for teams like Iowa, MSU and UW who have accomplished big things despite average recruiting rankings.I view this as a condescending post. #AMIRNG??
Maybe redshirting should be a "central characteristic" for Michigan too. AM I wRoNG?(1) Boy did you take this sensitively, but you don't have to ... unless you didn't trust that there wasn't anything offensive in what I said. At least in intent, but also in facts, I still think that's true.
(1) Boy did you take this sensitively, but you don't have to ... unless you didn't trust that there wasn't anything offensive in what I said. At least in intent, but also in facts, I still think that's true.1. We all know the facts. There is no reason to state them here, other than to remind those fans of schools not named Michigan or OSU that those other schools are inferior. It happens a lot here, but nearly as much as it used to. Anyway, that is where my reaction stemmed from.
(2) Harbaugh's mostly hasn't had that opportunity (and hasn't been around long enough for us to know if he'll eventually even have that interest).
At least in his first years, Michigan had to burn redshirts to put out Hoke-era fires. But like Fearless said, teams with high recruiting rankings maybe never attempt the all-redshirt style. And with the outliers (of those coaches/teams with high recruiting rankings but also redshirt more than most) they probably have outlier continuity (coaches who've been around 6+ years, to spitball a number).
Maybe redshirting should be a "central characteristic" for Michigan too. AM I wRoNG?Absolutely. One of my biggest pet peeves with Harbaugh is his willingness to just burn redshirts.
1. We all know the facts. There is no reason to state them here, other than to remind those fans of schools not named Michigan or OSU that those other schools are inferior. It happens a lot here, but nearly as much as it used to. Anyway, that is where my reaction stemmed from.1. The first part may be common knowledge but we discuss less often how these two things are chunked together. That, assuming they can, coaches/teams either go nuts on recruiting rankings or go nuts on redshirts. There are many examples of coaches accomplishing neither but very few modern examples (I'm still trying to find one) of a coach executing both.
2. I thought Harbaugh was hired to rebuild a program - not to win immediately. Maybe I am mistaken. Anyway, you rebuild by redshirting and developing players. Michigan is not the equal of OSU (Forget STARZ - think evaluation). This could certainly change, now that Urban is gone, of course.
Ahh reminds me of old times... Our board's version of Godwin's Law:I'm that kind of troublemaker. So the odds are definitely higher if I'm in the conversation. But this time I think I'm in the clear for not starting it. Which, by 10-year-old logic, is something. 🙃
No matter the original topic, all threads, if allowed to go long enough, become about Michigan or Ohio State.
Ahh reminds me of old times... Our board's version of Godwin's Law:Yep, thought of that too. That stops now on this thread though.
No matter the original topic, all threads, if allowed to go long enough, become about Michigan or Ohio State.
Hornibrook transferring.Not yet official, though, right? For maximum cliché:
WHAT IN THE HELL?!??
Anyway, a split could be good for both sides. And if Mertz stays healthy and if UW's WR troubles were a one-year thing, then Wisconsin could even be better off.UW's troubles were more than QB play. Injuries took a major toll.
It's official. Paul Chryst announced that Alex left the program. He's gone, regardless of transfer.Thanks for the correction. V. fast developing.
With a UW business degree and academic all-B1G credentials, I could see him play in the Ivy, or some such, for one year. If he can pull that off, it's an awesome thing.
I wish him well.
Injuries and suspensions seemed to hit the WRs hard. If that's the right interpretations (that the WRs would have otherwise been a top 1/3 group in the Big Ten), then everything will sort itself out just fine.Lost their best blocking TE too, and they didn't get what they needed from Fum's replacement (who is also in the portal now). Ferguson will be a star though. As for Coan, it was his first real action and he was limited in both play calling and the WR/TE situation. He was in to manage the games, but he did better as the season went on. In his last two games, he was more like 7 YPA.
From The Athletic:This seems like kind of a stretch to say that meant much. It’s a truism. I bet he’d say it about a lot of what UW did last season.
It seemed evident that, at the very least, Chryst was prepared to evaluate other quarterbacks to determine a starter in 2019. He didn’t shut the door on the idea of an open quarterback competition this offseason.
“I think every time you go into it, that’s the beautiful thing about sports, is you compete,” Chryst said after the Pinstripe Bowl. “You have to. There’s not one thing that we did at that position that you say, ‘All right, this is how we want it to be.’ There’s moments, but clearly we’ve got to get better at that position, and better in the consistency of play at that position.”
Is Mertz an early enrollee? That would be HUGE.Yes, he is. As for the quote.. that is the first time I ever heard PC address the QB situation in that manner, going back to 2005.
didn't lose the playersWhich may be a problem if any players are on his side
just lost the coaching staff
perhaps the staff should have run off some defensive players?I think the staff is more interested in getting the injured ones healthy, and working in some new ones. There was nobody to run off, so to speak.
gotta earn it every dayThat's what we do, right??
Frost has told all the players on the roster that's it's the coach's job to bring in kids that can take spots, so keep working. The competition never stops
no promises
Horni was 26-6?The last longterm starter before him finished on a 18-4 run. In those two seasons, he had passer ratings of 113.2 and 125.7. That understates his value the second year, but UW was on quite a run of overcoming low-ceiling QB play.
Horni wanted to win
apparently, the coaches want to win more
Hornibrook transferring.I am not a medical doctor, but after the beating Hornibrook took last season with multiple concussions, I think a better course for him would be to seek a graduate assistant position in coaching.
WHAT IN THE HELL?!??
Hornibrook is on an official visit at... Florida State. This makes absolutely no sense to me. His father and brother are with him too. I wonder if the brother will follow him to wherever he ends up?Man might want to job, and that certainly is a job without many options. Also, Florida ladies.
Hornibrook to FSU. Good for him.Was really hoping he'd join his brother. There was more than smoke to that story. Ah well. FSU has a starting QB, but they don't have UW's OL or TB. It will be interesting, for sure.
Hornibrook is on an official visit at... Florida State. This makes absolutely no sense to me. His father and brother are with him too. I wonder if the brother will follow him to wherever he ends up?I have to agree. If Hornibrook wants to play, he should not go to FSU. I don't think there is a QB position available for him. They need some help on the O-Line, but I don't think he'll make the grade at O-Line.
I have to agree. If Hornibrook wants to play, he should not go to FSU. I don't think there is a QB position available for him. They need some help on the O-Line, but I don't think he'll make the grade at O-Line.NW has a five-star transfer who was recruited over by Clemson.
As stated earlier, he has a wealth of experience, and his best bet was graduate assistant coach to avoid further head injury. If he had to play about the best he could do is Northwestern; they may have a position open at QB and I think he plays their style of offense; otherwise a non-power 5 school.
Meh. The UW spring "game" has been nothing but a glorified open practice since Lee Evans tore up his knee on a terrible April day in 2002.How do you feel about that? Bad injury and I get the coaches being spooked but it also seems superstitious and not evidence-based. Regular intensity padded drills can be even more violent than a game ("practice harder than you play," or at least equally hard). So canceling the scrimmage might not limit injury risk at all. Unless of course the practice is forfeited as something like a light jog (unlike a spring game), while also neglecting to install new stuff (like all spring games). In other words, since we're obviously not canceling regular season games when injuries spook us, and since the NCAA allots limited camp practices, dialing back any of them seems counter-productive. And of course it is also unpopular to fans.
How do you feel about that? Bad injury and I get the coaches being spooked but it also seems superstitious and not evidence-based. Regular intensity padded drills can be even more violent than a game ("practice harder than you play," or at least equally hard). So canceling the scrimmage might not limit injury risk at all. Unless of course the practice is forfeited as something like a light jog (unlike a spring game), while also neglecting to install new stuff (like all spring games). In other words, since we're obviously not canceling regular season games when injuries spook us, and since the NCAA allots limited camp practices, dialing back any of them seems counter-productive. And of course it is also unpopular to fans.How many times do I have to say I don't care? I really don't. Ask me about Mendota, and I'll rant, for real. I'm good at ranting.
That's fair. There's certainly more "supply" now than in the 1990s (signing day, general recruiting, satellite camps or whatever they are now, spring camp by twitter, everything else by twitter, etc.). However that list seems to be ever growing, which I take to mean that the "demand" for this stuff (including a spring game) is even greater than the bloated supply.No doubt
24-25 is Virginia Tech. 30-31 is UCLA. I'd like to see more P-5 than one, but I doubt that will ever happen - particularly with those schools in conferences that play 9 games.UCLA is 29-30. Would be:
That would be fantastic. Are you positive about the UCLA years though?https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/wisconsin/ (https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/wisconsin/)
They played somebody in Dallas for that series, if I remember right. I don't know much about the thing, to be honest. All I know is it's how Alvarez was able to get them on the schedule, because that's what he said.I became an expert on it when I was wondering WTH ND was scheduled to play what I thought was neutral site games with Washington State in San Antonio in 2009 and with Baylor in New Orleans in 2012. ND must have been thinking WTH also because they sure had not intended it that way.
ND has played the Shamrock series three times in Texas, in Arlington and twice in San Antonio (most recently in 2016). They played Pac-12 teams (Washington State and Arizona State) and Army there. Most of the other games have been against teams that were regularly scheduled, but whose home stadiums maybe weren't as exciting as playing in another nearby venue--with the exception of Miami at Soldier Field (others were Army and Syracuse at Yankee Stadium, Boston College at Fenway Park, Maryland at FedEx Field, and Purdue at Lucas Oil). Although not part of the Shamrock Series, they have also played Navy in Ireland (and will again in 2020), and when they play Navy away, they play all over the place, including San Diego, Jacksonville, FedEx Field in Maryland, and the Meadowlands.If by venues you mean the Shamrock Series, it is easy to understand. They are off-site Home games. ND controls all of the tickets, and NBC has the TV rights.
I don't understand the whole thing, but ND seems to like playing in those venues.
Alvarez on non-conference:Semantics. Designated home teams to determine uniform color. Rest assured both games are Notre Dame off-site Home games where it counts, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
I can’t even think of all the ones we have coming in. I know UCLA in the future. Notre Dame. The Notre Dame thing was very difficult from the time I took over as athletic director 15 years ago. I talked to Notre Dame about the possibility of us moving into a permanent role on their schedule because I knew they were talking about dropping Michigan, Michigan State and possibly Purdue. I think they ended up dropping Purdue and Michigan State. I tried to work in there. It just didn’t work out. Now they start the Shamrock Series. They called several years ago and said this might be able to work. We could work you into the Shamrock Series for a game. We’ll give you a game. And actually, the one in Lambeau is their home game. The one in Soldier Field will be our home game.
I'm thinking the Green Bay game will be on NBC and the Chicago game will be on Disney. They are splitting tickets (30K/each) at each venue. UW is not doing this for free, trust me. There is a reason they are top-5/10 in revenue every year, and playing for free is not that reason.I can see ND making some concessions in their negotiations with the Shamrock Series. I live in the Atlanta area, and as a former member of the Atlanta Sports Council, I know for a fact that Gary Stokan, President of the Chick-Fil-A Kickoff Classic has called ND perhaps more than any other school in an attempt to get them in his game. He would not continue to do so if they were not willing to bend a little.
Badge & Honest Buckeye! I made it over here....I wondered where in the heck everyone went...Ole LardbellySaw your name on a Buckeye board but wasn't a member,welcome back
Badge & Honest Buckeye! I made it over here....I wondered where in the heck everyone went...Ole LardbellyVery glad you made it over here. We lost a few people but for the most part it worked out OK. We need more to show up, for sure.
Several kickoff times announced. The opening Friday game at USF will be at 6PM Central, on ESPN. Of course, UW's home game against Michigan will be at 11AM. Thanks Fox. No really. F you.Was hoping the Big Ten would return the favor with Arizona State, and put that game at noon, but nope, 4PM
Several kickoff times announced. The opening Friday game at USF will be at 6PM Central, on ESPN. Of course, UW's home game against Michigan will be at 11AM. Thanks Fox. No really. F you.Eff
EffI sense you have an illness coming on.
I sometimes have work those fridays and hoped it would be later.
2016 at Michigan: 2:30 PMAre those all on the same network? Or are just the 11:00 games on Fox?
2017 at Madison: 11 AM
2018 at Michigan: 6:30 PM
2019 at Madison: 11 AM
Anyone who thinks Michigan doesn't special treatment is just plain fooling themselves.
And ya know what? I do believe the Hornibrook rumors.What rumors? You've piqued my curiosity.
2016 at Michigan: 2:30 PMIf this is evidence of special treatment, it's pretty meager. Special treatment implies that outside forces made these times happen, but Michigan chose that home night game. Can't Wisconsin choose its night games, too?
2017 at Madison: 11 AM
2018 at Michigan: 6:30 PM
2019 at Madison: 11 AM
Anyone who thinks Michigan doesn't special treatment is just plain fooling themselves.
What rumors? You've piqued my curiosity.The one about the lineman's girlfriend and the resulting concussion, and transfer.
2016 at Michigan: 2:30 PMLol.
2017 at Madison: 11 AM
2018 at Michigan: 6:30 PM
2019 at Madison: 11 AM
Anyone who thinks Michigan doesn't special treatment is just plain fooling themselves.
The last time (2017) Michigan played in Madison, it was in November. Night games not allowed.I'd love to see it as well. I love night games.
In 2009, the game was also in November.
Next year in Ann Arbor will be in September. And it will be an afternoon or a night game. I just want to see Michigan play at night again in Madison. The last time (2005) was fun for me. I thought this one would be for sure, but then came Fox.
The one about the lineman's girlfriend and the resulting concussion, and transfer.Huh. Hadn't heard that, but now that you mention it, I'm seeing it around the interwebz. Curious. And not the craziest thing I've heard.
The last time (2017) Michigan played in Madison, it was in November. Night games not allowed.I believe the Big Ten got rid of the November night game ban.
In 2009, the game was also in November.
Next year in Ann Arbor will be in September. And it will be an afternoon or a night game. I just want to see Michigan play at night again in Madison. The last time (2005) was fun for me. I thought this one would be for sure, but then came Fox.
The one about the lineman's girlfriend and the resulting concussion, and transfer.Oh geez, not that one.
Oh geez, not that one.I wasn't buying it at first either.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/film-study/2019/07/105067/film-study-despite-running-the-same-system-for-nearly-two-decades-wisconsins-oversized-offense-continuesI found that interesting ... but flawed. I like Jones, though he is not Ross Fulton, but he falls into some of the age-old traps when it comes to a film guy, not going through all the context and grabbing a few of the wrong games.
Thought you Badgers might enjoy.
Good breakdown. I like understanding the concepts so thank you.Mertz, but yeah, people are excited. He's a true frosh though, so we'll see.
If word out of Badgerville is accurate this new slinger is the real deal (Martz)
We're talking about Paul Chryst here. Not even Jonathan Taylor started game one.This dynamic will fascinate me. I don’t think Coan is all that good.
This dynamic will fascinate me. I don’t think Coan is all that good.I think his boss will remind him that UW doesn't lose to Michigan if his boss started Brooks over Kavanaugh back in 1999.
But I’m not sure Mertz is that good yet. Might have to lose Mich before a switch. We’ve seen what? Two-three QB benchings with him running the offense, plus a couple injury fill-ins?
I think his boss will remind him that UW doesn't lose to Michigan if his boss started Brooks over Kavanaugh back in 1999.That one would be a lot more infamous if Barry hadn't finally gotten over the Lloyd Carr obstacle in his 2005 swan song.
That one would be a lot more infamous if Barry hadn't finally gotten over the Lloyd Carr obstacle in his 2005 swan song.That 2005 game is one of the greatest games ever played, and I will hear nothing to the contrary
I think his boss will remind him that UW doesn't lose to Michigan if his boss started Brooks over Kavanaugh back in 1999.I watched the 1 1/2 quarters of that 1999 game. If almost everyone else hadn’t played like garbage, they probably win that game. and that’s before watching Dayne get held to no yards after halftime.
Coan is a game manager, and can't really run. UW needs more this season.
If Mertz or Wolf wins the job in the Fall, he has to do it. Think 2009. Everyone thought for sure Sherer was getting that job, and he gave it to Scotty.
That 2005 game is one of the greatest games ever played, and I will hear nothing to the contraryBallsy call late- great game
Ballsy call late- great gameWhat was interesting was that it was the perfect kind of call because it was slightly ballsy, but secretly not that crazy of a call
I watched the 1 1/2 quarters of that 1999 game. If almost everyone else hadn’t played like garbage, they probably win that game. and that’s before watching Dayne get held to no yards after halftime.This is crucial to the season, in my mind. Unless Coan has a lot more to show, that is.
2009 was weird. Sherer seemed the default answer with fans clamoring for the shiny freshman. Then Scott came into camp and in two weeks, Sherer was out of it.
Just need Wolf and Mertz to be good enough, and I’ll trust PC to have a good gage of when that is. But that’s the key. Scott brought his game to where he was good enough and the staff trusted him.
That 2005 game is one of the greatest games ever played, and I will hear nothing to the contrary😅
This is crucial to the season, in my mind. Unless Coan has a lot more to show, that is.I don’t 100 percent agree, but while I usually snap back at QB counter factuals ... on a day when everyone just crapped all over the field, he was far and away the leader.
I still think the AXE is still in Madison had he started that game. AH had nothing and gave the game away. Yeah, he had a little help, but still. Horrible.
That game in Madison was the site of the first-ever CFN board meeting.You and him wasn't it?Thanx for inviting the rest of us Fui
You and him wasn't it?Thanx for inviting the rest of us FuiEveryone was invited.
Didn't you and gator hook up before for a Penn St game?Yep. 2003. I flew out and met Gator at the Pitt airport. Then he drove us out there while I was on a conference call the whole way almost.
Everyone was invited.yup, I was there. I thought that was the night El Tigre showed off the SEC speed.
We had Gator, Mex the Dog, El Tigre Rex, Razorchique, Lil Dawg, Burnt eyes, Fearless, K State Lady and maybe a couple more? Cincy was supposed to be there, but he lost his son in Iraq shortly before.
I don't think most of you thought it wouldn't really go off. It did. I'd like to get a reset on it. It's been a few years now.
yup, I was there. I thought that was the night El Tigre showed off the SEC speed.He didn't come to the first one. And that was not the night of El Tigre. That was for Iowa a few years later. Cincy was there, as was Lil Dawg, GR, SF RC, and a few more. Memory fades.
Wasn't the big Gopher there?
He seems to show up everywhere
He didn't come to the first one. And that was not the night of El Tigre. That was for Iowa a few years later. Cincy was there, as was Lil Dawg, GR, SF RC, and a few more. Memory fades.I was not in Madison for Tk's brazen display of SEC speed. I think I heard about it a few weeks later in Austin.
So, I guess we can set 2023 for Saban's retirement?why? bama has consistently played big teams since saban's arrival, including h/a series. he's also been very outspoken about wanting to play more p5 teams and getting everyone on similar schedules (9conf games, 10 p5, etc)
why? bama has consistently played big teams since saban's arrival, including h/a series. he's also been very outspoken about wanting to play more p5 teams and getting everyone on similar schedules (9conf games, 10 p5, etc)https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/nick-saban-explains-why-alabama-canceled-on-michigan-state/ (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/nick-saban-explains-why-alabama-canceled-on-michigan-state/)
this should be an awesome trip. can't wait.
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/nick-saban-explains-why-alabama-canceled-on-michigan-state/ (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabama-football/nick-saban-explains-why-alabama-canceled-on-michigan-state/)and?
I'm just happy that it's happening. It appears that this replaces Virginia Tech on Wisconsin's schedule, which is a bummer.VT is now 2031 and 2032. Whatever.
and?Nobody is saying Alabama is trying to duck people. Simply that they haven't under Saban, been willing to play true non-conference road games. Whatever they are doing, it's working for them, they are the gold standard, and nobody thinks Saban is "scared" to play those games or anything, simply that they haven't been willing to, and he has a quote saying why. Saban has only played 1 in his entire tenure, 2011 at Penn State. 2022 at Texas will be his second, if he's still there.
he's also spoken several times, including last week, about improving schedule, trying to schedule multiple p5 teams in a season, going to 9 conf games and making that standard for p5 confs. him giving a reason they cancelled a series 4+ years ago doesn't change the fact he's been outspoken about scheduling better.
fwiw, he might be gone by then. that's a long way out for someone pushing 70. but i seriously doubt it's got anything to do with playing a h/a series. also, we have h/a series with texas, nd, wvu and ou as well in next decade+.
Nobody is saying Alabama is trying to duck people. Simply that they haven't under Saban, been willing to play true non-conference road games. Whatever they are doing, it's working for them, they are the gold standard, and nobody thinks Saban is "scared" to play those games or anything, simply that they haven't been willing to, and he has a quote saying why. Saban has only played 1 in his entire tenure, 2011 at Penn State. 2022 at Texas will be his second, if he's still there.The Alabama neutral site policy evolved because of GT asking out of the 2013-2014 H/H series with Bama. At the time the Atlanta Sports Council (read Gary Stokan) had a tentative agreement with USC (read Pete Carroll) to play in their game in either, not both, of those years. Pete's prefered opponent was Bama. Not knowing which year Pete would choose, Stokan was already in negotiations with Bama for both years. When GT asked out, it became a no brainer for Bama and they signed a contract for both years with the ASC. The USC agreement ended when Carroll left USC, and Bama wound up playing Va Tech and WVU.
The Alabama neutral site policy evolved because of GT asking out of the 2013-2014 H/H series with Bama. At the time the Atlanta Sports Council (read Gary Stokan) had a tentative agreement with USC (read Pete Carroll) to play in their game in either, not both, of those years. Pete's prefered opponent was Bama. Not knowing which year Pete would choose, Stokan was already in negotiations with Bama for both years. When GT asked out, it became a no brainer for Bama and they signed a contract for both years with the ASC. The USC agreement ended when Carroll left USC, and Bama wound up playing Va Tech and WVU.2262, Bama seldom playing true road OOC games goes back pretty far. Before the 2011 game at Penn State that ELA mentioned, you have to go back to 2002 and the Mike Shula era, when Bama played OU in Norman. There was a 2000 game at UCLA, and then you've got to go back to
The policy has ended because of Orlando's and Atlanta's inability to schedule better opposition than Louisville and Duke. One need only to look at Bama's future schedule(s) to see that is the case.
2020 - USC (Dallas)
2021 - Miami (Atlanta)
2022 - @ Texas
2023 - Texas
2024 - @ Wisconsin
2025 - Wisconsin
2026 - @ West VA
2027 - West VA
2028 - @ Notre Dame
2029 - Notre Dame
2030 -
2031 -
2032 - @ Oklahoma
2033 - Oklahoma
2262, Bama seldom playing true road OOC games goes back pretty far. Before the 2011 game at Penn State that ELA mentioned, you have to go back to 2002 and the Mike Shula era, when Bama played OU in Norman. There was a 2000 game at UCLA, and then you've got to go back to 1990 and a game at Memphis.first, this will be my last post strictly on bama in the wisky offseason thread. sorry badger fans.
Bama is great and Saban is--it seems clear to me--the greatest ever. But the scheduling history shows that--for almost 30 years--true road OOC games have been few and far between.
2262 and RTF:it's cool, it happens. honestly, only reason i knew where to look is this has been a common argument against bama for a while now and i've seen the info before.
Mea Culpa.
I stand corrected and please accept my apology. My only excuse (other than having a typo on the 1991 Memphis game) is that I didn't look carefully enough to find those OOC games embedded in the middle of the season. I knew they were there, and I looked for them, but obviously not closely enough.
And rare.last time he was there he didn't have sec speed.
All I hope is that this turns out the same for Saban as the last time he coached a game up there. :)
last time he was there he didn't have sec speed.Neither did Big Red.
first, this will be my last post strictly on bama in the wisky offseason thread. sorry badger fans.
1990 @ sw louisiana (no idea why we played them there, but we did)
1991 @ memphis (you had wrong year)
1992 @ tulane (part of a series, 93-94)
1996 @ nc state (part of a series, 95)
so you've got:
1990 - true road game, sw louisiana
1991 - true road game, memphis
1992 - true road game, tulane
1993 - return trip in h/a series, tulane home game
1994 - again tulane at home, maybe it was 2 for 1, don't know. but no true road game.
1995 - home game vs nc state, part of h/a series
1996 - true road game, nc state
1997 - no road game, no series
1998 - no road game, no series
1999 - no road game, no series
2000 - @ ucla, part of series
2001 - home vs ucla, part of series
2002 - @ ou, part of series
2003 - home v ou, part of series
2004 - no road game, no series
2005 - no road game, no series
2006 - no road game, no series
2007 - neutral game, vs fsu (jacksonville)
2008 - ... most everyone knows the drill from here
so since 1990, there's 2 periods of 3 year where we didn't either have a true road game or a series going, or playing a top team in a neutral game. btw, both periods were during our probation years. not sure it intentional or coincidental. 30 years, only 6 without a series or good ooc game. not to bad. and really, it goes a lot further back than just 30 years.
it's cool, it happens. honestly, only reason i knew where to look is this has been a common argument against bama for a while now and i've seen the info before.They were right only in that it was no fun. They missed the date 60+ years. Bama football lost 0-15 at Wisconsin in 1928.
to be honest, i and most bama fans i know, are incredibly excited to have true home/away games again. especially against great teams/atmospheres like wisconsin. neutral games can be great, but they get tiring quick.
very much looking forward to camp randall.
saw some badger fans already trash talking, saying that last time 18-22 year old men from bama came to camp randall it wasn't so fun for them. (camp randall was a civil war pow camp). thought you'd enjoy that @CWSooner (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1544) and @Badger1969 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=67)
They were right only in that it was no fun. They missed the date 60+ years. Bama football lost 0-15 at Wisconsin in 1928.Some people are just plain idgits.
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2018&team1=Alabama&team2=Wisconsin (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2018&team1=Alabama&team2=Wisconsin)
Former UW WR Quintez Cephus was found not guilty of two sexual assault charges yesterday. The jury took all of 30 minutes to decide.I think it's important for universities and courts to have different burdens of proof. It's inevitable that sometimes (relatively often even) a guilty person won't be able to be proven guilty in court. For those times, if universities use the "beyond a reasonable doubt" then the entire system is built to leave true victims with no one on their side. On the other hand, the courts cannot in good faith switch to a "preponderance of evidence" burden of proof, because jail time is too stiff a punishment to think more about victims than "trying our hardest to never be wrong, even if that means producing false negatives."
The case should have never been prosecuted.
UW looks really bad here too. QC was expelled for exactly no reason.
I think it's important for universities and courts to have different burdens of proof. It's inevitable that sometimes (relatively often even) a guilty person won't be able to be proven guilty in court. For those times, if universities use the "beyond a reasonable doubt" then the entire system is built to leave true victims with no one on their side. On the other hand, the courts cannot in good faith switch to a "preponderance of evidence" burden of proof, because jail time is too stiff a punishment to think more about victims than "trying our hardest to never be wrong, even if that means producing false negatives."It's not the standard of evidence so much as it is the procedures that are stacked in favor of the accuser--with zero presumption of innocence--that constitutes the biggest problem with Title IX.
In short, the current Title IX advisements and the justice system balance each other nicely.
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#Badgers (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Badgers?src=hash) head coach Paul Chryst says he would welcome Quintez Cephus back if it's what's best for Cephus. No timetable on the chancellor's decision.
9:37 AM - 7 Aug 2019
It's unfortunate that the coach didn't feel like he could give the kid his full support in the beginning
might have been on the kid, hopefully it wasn't on the administration above the coach
glad that the coach is supporting him fully now
I hope the kid gets back on the field as a Badger and has great success
just not on November 16th in Lincoln ;)
When the incident came to light, the kid put out a statement that he was taking a leave of absence from the team.full support and leave of absence don't seem to line up in my book
After the criminal charges were made, he was suspended under athletic department policy, which kicks in when the charges are made. It's zero-tolerance.
He remained in school, however, until the Title IX review was completed.
At that time he was expelled.
Obviously, the Title IX office was not in possession of any of the evidence that was presented in court - only what was reported by his accusers.
His coaches and teammates have always been fully supportive, and continue to be.
Coaches shouldn't have any say in the review of such incidents, unless they were actual witnesses. Otherwise, what can they add?I agree 100%
I agree 100%This is not a choice the coach can make at UW. It's AD policy, and it will not ever change.
but if the coach believes his player is innocent he should do what's best for the player. Most times I'd guess that would be to keep him on the team.
Are you guys talking past each other?of course
I agree 100%Talking past people or not, what right is it of the coach's to act on his beliefs about whether a player is innocent? Again, if he wasn't an actual witness, he has nothing to add, and regardless of his belief, his participation in the process is totally unwarranted.
but if the coach believes his player is innocent he should do what's best for the player. Most times I'd guess that would be to keep him on the team.
Are you guys talking past each other?Correct. It's not a coach thing, and there is absolutely nothing he could do about it then, or now. It's Madison. Football does not have the same pull it does in most other places.
He took a leave of absence before charges were filed. According to Badge, the AD policy is to suspend someone from the team when charges are filed. It appears that the leave of absence prior to formal filing of charges made the AD policy moot.
Whether the coach supports him prior to the filing of charges might be one thing, but I assume the coach would be 100% overruled by the AD if formal charges are filed in an incident such as this.
Talking past people or not, what right is it of the coach's to act on his beliefs about whether a player is innocent? Again, if he wasn't an actual witness, he has nothing to add, and regardless of his belief, his participation in the process is totally unwarranted.100 percent spot on.
A coach's belief that "he's a good kid," or "yeah, I could see him doing that," has no bearing on what actually happened, and if the coach acts on that belief he is (1) just guessing; and (2) taking a serious risk of putting his own reputation in danger for getting his guess wrong, not to mention putting the school's administration at risk.
This just isn't a coach issue.
Correct. It's not a coach thing, and there is absolutely nothing he could do about it then, or now. It's Madison. Football does not have the same pull it does in most other places.To be honest, if charges are filed I don't think it's common for a coach or AD to keep a player in good standing. Generally formal police charges tend to be one of those red lines.
I don't know about that. Culture varies everywhere, I think.I have two daughters, one at UNL. UNL's campus wasn't the safest place for young women in the 80's when I was there and it's not the safest place today, but I'm also not for punishing young men that are wrongly accused.
https://www.omaha.com/huskers/football/scott-frost-awaits-more-clarity-in-maurice-washington-s-legal/article_5be5104e-014a-5487-b53b-78c4d73ced0c.html
Charges have been filed in this one. Coach says it's "unfortunate" that it's taking so long... but...
In Madison, he's out. Period. Coach has no say.
I don't think any campus is "safe". Never have been, and probably never will. Kids do kid things - without thinking.not really directed at you, badger, but i really hate the "kids will be kids" excuse. smoking some weed, getting a public intox and similar things, fine. stuff happens, not good decisions, but whatever, no big deal. but the type of "unsafe" actions we're discussing here aren't just kids being stupid, it's atrocious, heinous acts that my 5 year old knows isn't ok.
If a recruit doesn't "like" the UW policy, or is "concerned" by the policy, he likely wouldn't be a cultural fit or a "take" in Madison anyway. That point is moot as far as I'm concerned.
not really directed at you, badger, but i really hate the "kids will be kids" excuse. smoking some weed, getting a public intox and similar things, fine. stuff happens, not good decisions, but whatever, no big deal. but the type of "unsafe" actions we're discussing here aren't just kids being stupid, it's atrocious, heinous acts that my 5 year old knows isn't ok.Sounds like in this case it was a consensual 3-way. I'd have probably tried that back in the day, at age 21 or whatever. But, I certainly wouldn't have taken a picture. I'm thinking that's where this whole thing went south, and it was a stupid kid thing to do.
Sounds like in this case it was a consensual 3-way. I'd have probably tried that back in the day, at age 21 or whatever. But, I certainly wouldn't have taken a picture. I'm thinking that's where this whole thing went south, and it was a stupid kid thing to do.cool, know next to nothing of that kid or his case. that'd fall under the "other stuff" of bad decisions, but no big deal, imo. i've just seen to many people blow off abuse of physical/sexual as kids making bad decisions, but they're kids. and, imo, in those real situations, that excuse doesn't fly.
Sounds like in this case it was a consensual 3-way. I'd have probably tried that back in the day, at age 21 or whatever. But, I certainly wouldn't have taken a picture. I'm thinking that's where this whole thing went south, and it was a stupid kid thing to do.Enrolling this year(!) or next. Now *that* would be an athletic scholarship offer worth his market value!
Sounds like in this case it was a consensual 3-way. I'd have probably tried that back in the day, at age 21 or whatever. But, I certainly wouldn't have taken a picture. I'm thinking that's where this whole thing went south, and it was a stupid kid thing to do.Michigan kicked Logan Tuley-Tillman (the best OT on campus when Harbaugh arrived) off the team for capturing a picture/video during consensual sex. It doesn't fit our typical definition of assault but -- even when the sex is consensual, if the picture/video wasn't -- that's illegal.
Michigan kicked Logan Tuley-Tillman (the best OT on campus when Harbaugh arrived) off the team for capturing a picture/video during consensual sex. It doesn't fit our typical definition of assault but -- even when the sex is consensual, if the picture/video wasn't -- that's illegal.That's what the 3 kids that MSU gave the boot to did as well. Although, while illegal, it did also provide proof that an assault hadn't taken place. None of the 3 were reinstated.
I'm thinking that there will be a distraction with this thing.This moment reminds me of a standup bit I once saw. The guy is fighting tooth and nail to correct a mistake made by a sloppy cop who made him at fault for someone T-Boning his car. It grows into an obsessions. Finally his wife tells him to drop it. He stands his ground that he’s right.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2019/08/12/uw-dosnt-want-badgers-receiver-quintez-cephus-back-lawyers-say/1942557001/
Oh look, seven veterans signed a letter to the Chancellor and it’s now out in public. Effffffff.And they are now behind microphones. This is going to get really ugly.
So.. Jake Ferguson is now out. Apparently had surgery yesterday. I'm going to try out for TE next week.Badge, we need FEWER injuries. If you try out, that’s just one more.
Time to revisit the depth chart here.I'm not used to seeing so many underclassmen starting at UW. 11/22. Am I mistaken or is that unusually many?
Offense
LT Cole Van Lanen JR
LG Jason Erdmann SR
C Tyler Biadasz JR
RG Josh Seltzner SO
RT Logan Bruss SO
FB John Chenal SO
RB Jonathan Taylor JR
TE Jake Ferguson SO
TE Zander Neuville GS
WR A.J. Taylor SR
WR Kendric Pryor JR
QB
Defense
DE Garrett Rand JR
DE Isaiahh Loudermilk JR
NT Bryson Williams SO
ILB Chris Orr SR
ILB Jack Sanborn SO
OLB Zack Baun SR
OLB Izayah Green-May SO
S Scott Nelson SO
S Reggie Pearson FR
CB Faion Hicks SO
CB Rachad Wildgoose SO
I'm not used to seeing so many underclassmen starting at UW. 11/22. Am I mistaken or is that unusually many?No, you're not mistaken.
young in the defensive backfieldYep, but they all played a lot of football last year. Pearson only played in 4 games though.
Cephus readmitted to UW. He and his team did a PR blitz that coulda gone wrong and ended up sorta masterful.I'm mildly surprised by this ruling, and particularly how quickly it came through.
Interested to see how he plays.
So what really did the guy end up doing wrong?Do something in very bad taste but not break the law?Having a threesome isn’t bad. Inviting a friend in to gaze at naked sleeping women is not ideal. Having that friend snap a picture, waking people up and then having it deleted.
Whoa, not to be such a chauvinist against the AAC, but why did UW agree to go to USF?recruiting
recruitingNah. UW has no players from that area.
I heard someone say no good team from say the SEC would do a H&A series with Wisconsin.And then Bama stepped up to sign on. Hopefully others will follow their lead.
Return game for 2014 in Madison.I understand they are following a contract. I meant: why did UW want/agree/sign a 1-and-1 contract, rather than pay for a 1-and-done (or just abandon negotiations with USF and look for someone else)? A 1-and-1 with USF just doesn't seem as Big Tenny as paying for an AAC team to come north one time.
Doesn't look like the AAC schools are doing too much of that anymore. Some of the MWC too.Yeah MSU and Boise signed a 2 for 1. I'm good with those with AAC schools, or "name" Group of 5 schools from the other 4. Not sure how many of those there are? Boise, BYU, Fresno State? That might be it. Hasn't Miami played some curious true road games in recent years?
Hell, FSU is going to play at Boise and USF soon. The guarantee games are getting tough to get, moving forward.
Doesn't look like the AAC schools are doing too much of that anymore. Some of the MWC too.All the more reason to play more than 8 conference games.
Hell, FSU is going to play at Boise and USF soon. The guarantee games are getting tough to get, moving forward.
Yeah MSU and Boise signed a 2 for 1. I'm good with those with AAC schools, or "name" Group of 5 schools from the other 4. Not sure how many of those there are? Boise, BYU, Fresno State? That might be it. Hasn't Miami played some curious true road games in recent years?Oh yeah, the Canes have no bargaining chips. They were at Toledo last year, at App St a few years ago. At Cincy awhile ago, at LaTech, at FAU, and at K-State, which was a rare sight, almost as weird as seeing USC at K-State.
All the more reason to play more than 8 conference games.Well sure... except that jeopardizes the SEC/ACC ability to game the system. It adds a guaranteed loss to half the conference, which begins knocking down the house of cards so carefully built from the preseason on.
The only "buy" games I see now for UW now are CMU and Kent from the MAC this season, and then Appy, EMU, Buffalo, Georgia Southern, North Texas and WMU. Hawaii is in there too, but that's a 2 for 1. Army comes to Madison, but I don't consider that a "buy" game. It's an honor to have them.OU hosted Army (winning in OT) last year and will visit Michie Stadium next year. That's a road trip I really want to make.
Also seeing some FCS (3), but I doubt those stick. There was supposed to be one this season, but no mas after Kent agreed to come.
The only "buy" games I see now for UW now are CMU and Kent from the MAC this season, and then Appy, EMU, Buffalo, Georgia Southern, North Texas and WMU. Hawaii is in there too, but that's a 2 for 1. Army comes to Madison, but I don't consider that a "buy" game. It's an honor to have them.The AD also once told me that he likes away games like Hawaii because they guarantee an interesting trip to the players. Bowls provide the trips, too, but aren't guarantees.
Also seeing some FCS (3), but I doubt those stick. There was supposed to be one this season, but no mas after Kent agreed to come.
There's a reason he transferred, as a 3 year incumbent, and I don't think it was his idea.Meritocracy at UW?! 😲
Was he a problem last season?Never heard about it but I'm not a program devoteeThere were some rumors about him and an offensive lineman’s GF. I’m prone not to believe them, but Badge is. He’s closer to things, so what do I know.
There were some rumors about him and an offensive lineman’s GF. I’m prone not to believe them, but Badge is. He’s closer to things, so what do I know.Not so sure about the girlfriend thing, but people who are closer than me insist it happened. Nobody has ever come out and said it though, to my knowledge.
Anyway, he kinda melted down and his WRs didn’t help. Hopefully going back to being boring works out. I also like that UW fans aren’t taking it up much, but Lordy that team is getting the #Respect in the polls.
Starting ILB Chris Orr listed as questionable for this weekend.lucky it's CMU, not Michigan
TE's Luke Benzschawel and Zander Neuville are out.
Starters out are RT Logan Bruss, S Scott Nelson and OLB Izayah Green-May.
Really too bad it's going to be an 11AM kick. This one deserves prime time, and not Fox's version of prime time.I 'liked' your post because I disagree.
Oh, and Michigan also has a bye. Big Jim wasn't gonna give UW any breaks without giving Michigan one too.So it's a pillow fight?
So it's a pillow fight?I hope for a can of whoopass, signed, sealed, and delivered by Big Red.
The only conference game next week is Indiana - Ohio State, so it's not like the BigTen decided to give Michigan a bye week.Are you calling the Hoosiers a BYE?
Are you calling the Hoosiers a BYE?Of course not, despite Michigan's streak of wins over them, though it is funny you how read it that way.... I suspect you get this, but my point was this isn't a week full of conference games, so it was really Michigan's and Wisconsin's decision to make this a bye week and play their 3rd non-con game later in the season.
https://twitter.com/NCAAFNation247/status/1177567717777379328surprisingly Clemson has only 40
I saw this post on one of the UW team boards and found it very interesting. Of the 12 regular-season games UW plays this year, 7 are against teams with transfer QB's.UW set the precedent with Russell Wilson
USF - Blake Barnett (Alabama)
Central Michigan - Quentin Dormady (Tennessee)
Michigan - Shea Patterson (Ole Miss)
Northwestern - Hunter Johnson (Clemson)
Kent State - Woody Barrett (Auburn)
Illinois - Brandon Peters (Michigan)
Ohio State - Justin Fields (Georgia)
https://twitter.com/rimingtontrophy/status/12052656013060055056'3
Gonna miss this kid next year. It's probably 100% that he leaves early. Not bad for a walk-on from Amhurst, WI.