2019 Wisconsin Season Thread

[847badgerfan]

It's unfortunate that the coach didn't feel like he could give the kid his full support in the beginning

might have been on the kid, hopefully it wasn't on the administration above the coach

glad that the coach is supporting him fully now

I hope the kid gets back on the field as a Badger and has great success

just not on November 16th in Lincoln

When the incident came to light, the kid put out a statement that he was taking a leave of absence from the team.

After the criminal charges were made, he was suspended under athletic department policy, which kicks in when the charges are made. It's zero-tolerance.

He remained in school, however, until the Title IX review was completed.

At that time he was expelled.

Obviously, the Title IX office was not in possession of any of the evidence that was presented in court - only what was reported by his accusers.



His coaches and teammates have always been fully supportive, and continue to be.

[SFBadger96]

Coaches shouldn't have any say in the review of such incidents, unless they were actual witnesses. Otherwise, what can they add?

[FearlessF]

When the incident came to light, the kid put out a statement that he was taking a leave of absence from the team.

After the criminal charges were made, he was suspended under athletic department policy, which kicks in when the charges are made. It's zero-tolerance.

He remained in school, however, until the Title IX review was completed.

At that time he was expelled.

Obviously, the Title IX office was not in possession of any of the evidence that was presented in court - only what was reported by his accusers.



His coaches and teammates have always been fully supportive, and continue to be.

full support and leave of absence don't seem to line up in my book
why would the kid choose to leave the team if he was innocent and his coach was supporting him?


you could be right, maybe the kid was upset enough by the allegation that he wanted to spend time with his family and legal team until it was resolved.  If that was his choice, so be it.  I hope that was the case.

[FearlessF]

Coaches shouldn't have any say in the review of such incidents, unless they were actual witnesses. Otherwise, what can they add?

I agree 100%

but if the coach believes his player is innocent he should do what's best for the player.  Most times I'd guess that would be to keep him on the team.

[847badgerfan]

He didn't want to be a distraction to the team.

[847badgerfan]

I agree 100%

but if the coach believes his player is innocent he should do what's best for the player.  Most times I'd guess that would be to keep him on the team.

This is not a choice the coach can make at UW. It's AD policy, and it will not ever change.

[FearlessF]

must not be an AD policy at UNL

Maurice Washington is still on the team and attending practice

[betarhoalphadelta]

Are you guys talking past each other?

He took a leave of absence before charges were filed. According to Badge, the AD policy is to suspend someone from the team when charges are filed. It appears that the leave of absence prior to formal filing of charges made the AD policy moot.

Whether the coach supports him prior to the filing of charges might be one thing, but I assume the coach would be 100% overruled by the AD if formal charges are filed in an incident such as this.

[FearlessF]

Are you guys talking past each other?

of course

[SFBadger96]

I agree 100%

but if the coach believes his player is innocent he should do what's best for the player.  Most times I'd guess that would be to keep him on the team.

Talking past people or not, what right is it of the coach's to act on his beliefs about whether a player is innocent? Again, if he wasn't an actual witness, he has nothing to add, and regardless of his belief, his participation in the process is totally unwarranted.

A coach's belief that "he's a good kid," or "yeah, I could see him doing that," has no bearing on what actually happened, and if the coach acts on that belief he is (1) just guessing; and (2) taking a serious risk of putting his own reputation in danger for getting his guess wrong, not to mention putting the school's administration at risk.

This just isn't a coach issue.

[847badgerfan]

Are you guys talking past each other?

He took a leave of absence before charges were filed. According to Badge, the AD policy is to suspend someone from the team when charges are filed. It appears that the leave of absence prior to formal filing of charges made the AD policy moot.

Whether the coach supports him prior to the filing of charges might be one thing, but I assume the coach would be 100% overruled by the AD if formal charges are filed in an incident such as this.

Correct. It's not a coach thing, and there is absolutely nothing he could do about it then, or now. It's Madison. Football does not have the same pull it does in most other places.

[847badgerfan]

Talking past people or not, what right is it of the coach's to act on his beliefs about whether a player is innocent? Again, if he wasn't an actual witness, he has nothing to add, and regardless of his belief, his participation in the process is totally unwarranted.

A coach's belief that "he's a good kid," or "yeah, I could see him doing that," has no bearing on what actually happened, and if the coach acts on that belief he is (1) just guessing; and (2) taking a serious risk of putting his own reputation in danger for getting his guess wrong, not to mention putting the school's administration at risk.

This just isn't a coach issue.

100 percent spot on.

[betarhoalphadelta]

Correct. It's not a coach thing, and there is absolutely nothing he could do about it then, or now. It's Madison. Football does not have the same pull it does in most other places.

To be honest, if charges are filed I don't think it's common for a coach or AD to keep a player in good standing. Generally formal police charges tend to be one of those red lines. 

Prior to that, the school can always claim that they're just waiting for the legal process to play out before they make a determination. 

[847badgerfan]

I don't know about that. Culture varies everywhere, I think.


https://www.omaha.com/huskers/football/scott-frost-awaits-more-clarity-in-maurice-washington-s-legal/article_5be5104e-014a-5487-b53b-78c4d73ced0c.html


Charges have been filed in this one. Coach says it's "unfortunate" that it's taking so long... but...


In Madison, he's out. Period. Coach has no say.