2019 Wisconsin Season Thread

[FearlessF]

I'm not implying the coach should get involved with the legal process or even the Title IX procedure at the university

I'm merely think the coach should support the kid and the best way to do that is to keep him on the team.  The coach recruited this kid and told his parents or guardian the kid would be well cared for.

if there are policies in place obviously this is out of the coaches control.

seems similar to me to the tracey claeys situation where the coach tried to stick up for his players, except Chryst knew better or policies at UW wouldn't  allow it.

[FearlessF]

I don't know about that. Culture varies everywhere, I think.


https://www.omaha.com/huskers/football/scott-frost-awaits-more-clarity-in-maurice-washington-s-legal/article_5be5104e-014a-5487-b53b-78c4d73ced0c.html


Charges have been filed in this one. Coach says it's "unfortunate" that it's taking so long... but...


In Madison, he's out. Period. Coach has no say.

I have two daughters, one at UNL.  UNL's campus wasn't the safest place for young women in the 80's when I was there and it's not the safest place today, but I'm also not for punishing young men that are wrongly accused.

If I'm a recruit or a recruit's parent, I might think I'd have more support in Lincoln than Madison.

Of course recruits don't think they will be accused of things if they behave.

[847badgerfan]

I don't think any campus is "safe". Never have been, and probably never will. Kids do kid things - without thinking.

If a recruit doesn't "like" the UW policy, or is "concerned" by the policy, he likely wouldn't be a cultural fit or a "take" in Madison anyway. That point is moot as far as I'm concerned.

[847badgerfan]

Huge development.

TE Zander Neuville was granted a 6th year of eligibility and is now practicing with the team.

[rolltidefan]

I don't think any campus is "safe". Never have been, and probably never will. Kids do kid things - without thinking.

If a recruit doesn't "like" the UW policy, or is "concerned" by the policy, he likely wouldn't be a cultural fit or a "take" in Madison anyway. That point is moot as far as I'm concerned.

not really directed at you, badger, but i really hate the "kids will be kids" excuse. smoking some weed, getting a public intox and similar things, fine. stuff happens, not good decisions, but whatever, no big deal. but the type of "unsafe" actions we're discussing here aren't just kids being stupid, it's atrocious, heinous acts that my 5 year old knows isn't ok.

also, i'm on the bandwagon of letting things play out legally before going to far. if the legal aspect can't/doesn't resolve it, then go forward as best they can. this also doesn't mean ignore it until it's settled either. schools are in an impossible position to make a decisions before the facts can come out, IF they ever come out.

[847badgerfan]

Reading up a little more on this...

Zander did well on his exams and has been admitted to the UW School of Medicine. Pretty awesome stuff right there.

[847badgerfan]

not really directed at you, badger, but i really hate the "kids will be kids" excuse. smoking some weed, getting a public intox and similar things, fine. stuff happens, not good decisions, but whatever, no big deal. but the type of "unsafe" actions we're discussing here aren't just kids being stupid, it's atrocious, heinous acts that my 5 year old knows isn't ok.

Sounds like in this case it was a consensual 3-way. I'd have probably tried that back in the day, at age 21 or whatever. But, I certainly wouldn't have taken a picture. I'm thinking that's where this whole thing went south, and it was a stupid kid thing to do.

[rolltidefan]

Sounds like in this case it was a consensual 3-way. I'd have probably tried that back in the day, at age 21 or whatever. But, I certainly wouldn't have taken a picture. I'm thinking that's where this whole thing went south, and it was a stupid kid thing to do.

cool, know next to nothing of that kid or his case. that'd fall under the "other stuff" of bad decisions, but no big deal, imo. i've just seen to many people blow off abuse of physical/sexual as kids making bad decisions, but they're kids. and, imo, in those real situations, that excuse doesn't fly.

that situation, based on what i've read in this thread, is why i'm for waiting for the legal stuff to play out so facts can come out before schools jump to a decision.

[Anonymous Coward]

Sounds like in this case it was a consensual 3-way. I'd have probably tried that back in the day, at age 21 or whatever. But, I certainly wouldn't have taken a picture. I'm thinking that's where this whole thing went south, and it was a stupid kid thing to do.

Enrolling this year(!) or next. Now *that* would be an athletic scholarship offer worth his market value!

[Anonymous Coward]

Sounds like in this case it was a consensual 3-way. I'd have probably tried that back in the day, at age 21 or whatever. But, I certainly wouldn't have taken a picture. I'm thinking that's where this whole thing went south, and it was a stupid kid thing to do.

Michigan kicked Logan Tuley-Tillman (the best OT on campus when Harbaugh arrived) off the team for capturing a picture/video during consensual sex. It doesn't fit our typical definition of assault but -- even when the sex is consensual, if the picture/video wasn't -- that's illegal.

[FearlessF]

should just make cell phones w/o cameras for these kids

sending pics is what has Maurice Washington in trouble

[ELA]

Michigan kicked Logan Tuley-Tillman (the best OT on campus when Harbaugh arrived) off the team for capturing a picture/video during consensual sex. It doesn't fit our typical definition of assault but -- even when the sex is consensual, if the picture/video wasn't -- that's illegal.

That's what the 3 kids that MSU gave the boot to did as well.  Although, while illegal, it did also provide proof that an assault hadn't taken place.  None of the 3 were reinstated.

I do wonder if it had been an isolated incident, if it would have gone differently, but considering the mess that the 2016 locker room was, and how Blackwell got fired for failing in his duty to report it up, it was just too messy to allow them back.

[847badgerfan]

I'm thinking that there will be a distraction with this thing.


https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2019/08/12/uw-dosnt-want-badgers-receiver-quintez-cephus-back-lawyers-say/1942557001/

[FearlessF]

I think you might be right