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Topic: 2019 Wisconsin Season Thread

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Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
« Reply #224 on: July 30, 2019, 03:02:46 PM »
Those are some cold Badger fans!
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Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
« Reply #225 on: July 30, 2019, 03:27:22 PM »
And rare. 

All I hope is that this turns out the same for Saban as the last time he coached a game up there. :)
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Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
« Reply #226 on: July 30, 2019, 04:08:52 PM »
better find a QB
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Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
« Reply #227 on: July 30, 2019, 04:16:58 PM »
And rare.

All I hope is that this turns out the same for Saban as the last time he coached a game up there. :)
last time he was there he didn't have sec speed.

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Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
« Reply #228 on: July 30, 2019, 04:22:36 PM »
last time he was there he didn't have sec speed.
Neither did Big Red. 
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Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
« Reply #229 on: July 30, 2019, 05:47:46 PM »
first, this will be my last post strictly on bama in the wisky offseason thread. sorry badger fans.

1990 @ sw louisiana (no idea why we played them there, but we did)
1991 @ memphis (you had wrong year)
1992 @ tulane (part of a series, 93-94)
1996 @ nc state (part of a series, 95)

so you've got:
1990 - true road game, sw louisiana
1991 - true road game, memphis
1992 - true road game, tulane
1993 - return trip in h/a series, tulane home game
1994 - again tulane at home, maybe it was 2 for 1, don't know. but no true road game.
1995 - home game vs nc state, part of h/a series
1996 - true road game, nc state
1997 - no road game, no series
1998 - no road game, no series
1999 - no road game, no series
2000 - @ ucla, part of series
2001 - home vs ucla, part of series
2002 - @ ou, part of series
2003 - home v ou, part of series
2004 - no road game, no series
2005 - no road game, no series
2006 - no road game, no series
2007 - neutral game, vs fsu (jacksonville)
2008 - ... most everyone knows the drill from here

so since 1990, there's 2 periods of 3 year where we didn't either have a true road game or a series going, or playing a top team in a neutral game. btw, both periods were during our probation years. not sure it intentional or coincidental. 30 years, only 6 without a series or good ooc game. not to bad. and really, it goes a lot further back than just 30 years.

Played at what is now Louisiana-Lafayette in 1990 because Coach Bryant had promised them a game. No contract, but it was confirmed that the promise was made so, by gawd, Bama went.

Since neither of you mentioned Hawaii, I will. 2002 and 2003. Ineligible for a Bowl, so Bama went there at the end of those seasons. :) There is a rule now, of course, that prohibits schools from doing that.

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Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
« Reply #230 on: July 30, 2019, 06:03:25 PM »
it's cool, it happens. honestly, only reason i knew where to look is this has been a common argument against bama for a while now and i've seen the info before.

to be honest, i and most bama fans i know, are incredibly excited to have true home/away games again. especially against great teams/atmospheres like wisconsin. neutral games can be great, but they get tiring quick.

very much looking forward to camp randall.

saw some badger fans already trash talking, saying that last time 18-22 year old men from bama came to camp randall it wasn't so fun for them. (camp randall was a civil war pow camp). thought you'd enjoy that @CWSooner and @Badger1969
They were right only in that it was no fun. They missed the date 60+ years. Bama football lost 0-15 at Wisconsin in 1928.

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2018&team1=Alabama&team2=Wisconsin


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Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
« Reply #231 on: July 30, 2019, 06:06:01 PM »
They were right only in that it was no fun. They missed the date 60+ years. Bama football lost 0-15 at Wisconsin in 1928.

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2018&team1=Alabama&team2=Wisconsin


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Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
« Reply #232 on: August 03, 2019, 10:40:12 AM »
Former UW WR Quintez Cephus was found not guilty of two sexual assault charges yesterday. The jury took all of 30 minutes to decide.

The case should have never been prosecuted. 

UW looks really bad here too. QC was expelled for exactly no reason.
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Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
« Reply #233 on: August 03, 2019, 11:06:27 AM »
they saw what happened to Tracy Claeys
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Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
« Reply #234 on: August 03, 2019, 11:27:08 AM »
Except that this was a case where nothing illegal happened. The PC police in Madison forced the issue. Despite being suspended from football activities, QC wanted to remain in school, and he was not allowed to do so.

Guilty until not guilty. Some heads should roll here, but Madison.
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Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
« Reply #235 on: August 03, 2019, 01:26:05 PM »
Former UW WR Quintez Cephus was found not guilty of two sexual assault charges yesterday. The jury took all of 30 minutes to decide.

The case should have never been prosecuted.

UW looks really bad here too. QC was expelled for exactly no reason.
I think it's important for universities and courts to have different burdens of proof. It's inevitable that sometimes (relatively often even) a guilty person won't be able to be proven guilty in court. For those times, if universities use the "beyond a reasonable doubt" then the entire system is built to leave true victims with no one on their side. On the other hand, the courts cannot in good faith switch to a "preponderance of evidence" burden of proof, because jail time is too stiff a punishment to think more about victims than "trying our hardest to never be wrong, even if that means producing false negatives."

In short, the current Title IX advisements and the justice system balance each other nicely.

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Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
« Reply #236 on: August 03, 2019, 02:54:03 PM »
I think it's important for universities and courts to have different burdens of proof. It's inevitable that sometimes (relatively often even) a guilty person won't be able to be proven guilty in court. For those times, if universities use the "beyond a reasonable doubt" then the entire system is built to leave true victims with no one on their side. On the other hand, the courts cannot in good faith switch to a "preponderance of evidence" burden of proof, because jail time is too stiff a punishment to think more about victims than "trying our hardest to never be wrong, even if that means producing false negatives."

In short, the current Title IX advisements and the justice system balance each other nicely.
It's not the standard of evidence so much as it is the procedures that are stacked in favor of the accuser--with zero presumption of innocence--that constitutes the biggest problem with Title IX.

IMO, regardless of what the criminal justice system does or does not do, it's not right for someone who has done nothing seriously wrong to get kicked out of school because his ex-girlfriend says--with no corroborating evidence--that he was abusive to her two years ago.
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Re: 2019 Wisconsin Offseason Thread
« Reply #237 on: August 03, 2019, 03:44:57 PM »
It is the burden of proof that is operative here. The procedures of the justice system versus the procedures of Title IX are different in ways that reflect, are set by, and are in proportion to their different burdens of proof.

As I already admitted, though, yes, there are problems both ways. Ideally we'd never have false positives and we'd never have false negatives. That a guilty person will always be punished and an innocent one will never be. When either of those happens, that's a problem. And maybe there's too much of both.

But you can't guarantee that (upon reviewing both the justice system's risk of false negatives and Title IX's risk of false positives) that the net epidemic leans in favor of "too often the ladies lie." It's unfounded, for example, to say there are more women lying about these crimes than there are unconvicted men who really did commit the crime.

And until we find a system where both false negatives and false positives are rare, justice means balancing the protections for both groups.


 

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