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Title: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on September 17, 2018, 04:50:25 PM
Junior, I drank a few Trappistes Rocheforts this past weekend.  Undoubtedly the best beer I've ever tasted.
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Post by: FearlessF on September 17, 2018, 05:10:41 PM
I absolutely LOVE this thread
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on September 17, 2018, 05:34:54 PM
I've always thought we could use a beer thread.
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Post by: FearlessF on September 17, 2018, 05:40:43 PM
why hasn't anyone thought of this before?
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Post by: utee94 on September 17, 2018, 06:37:42 PM
Brilliant idea, this beer thread!

Slick-- Rochefort beers are so darn delicious, you chose wisely.  They make a couple varieties that you can usually get here in the USA.  They're all good.  You gotta look out though, their ABV is very, very high.
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Post by: Mr Tulip on September 19, 2018, 10:53:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gql9220Qon8
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Post by: FearlessF on September 19, 2018, 02:02:21 PM
I Like Beer by Tom T Hall - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOiyksNlrY0)
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Post by: TexasFan on October 09, 2018, 10:24:34 AM
Coors regular is my beer of choice when I am at home.  If I am at the Lake or beach, its Miller Lite.  
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Post by: longhorn320 on October 09, 2018, 12:04:29 PM
Coors regular is my beer of choice when I am at home.  If I am at the Lake or beach, its Miller Lite.  
I too am a Miller Lite drinker
Im not saying its the best but good enough
I realize Miller Lite isnt the choice of the beautiful people but
its my choice
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 12:48:11 PM
Miller Lite is one of the very few beers I can't drink

there seems to be an issue with Budweiser drinkers and Miller Lite and the opposite

many Miller Lite drinkers I know just can't stomach the heavy Bud
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Post by: longhorn320 on October 09, 2018, 12:52:45 PM
Miller Lite is one of the very few beers I can't drink

there seems to be an issue with Budweiser drinkers and Miller Lite and the opposite

many Miller Lite drinkers I know just can't stomach the heavy Bud
I think you may be right
When I try to drink a beer like bud or  or Schlitz its like I switched from milk to a malt
I do like regular miller and as I said Corona
Im not really a fan of Coors
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 01:23:55 PM
I can drink Miller Genuine Draft and High Life, just can't get the Lite down
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 09, 2018, 02:26:57 PM
Coors, Shiner Bock, Corona, Rolling Rock.... all in my garage fridge.

But fellas, while I respect your man cards, you realize this was supposed to be a "mead" thread, right?  Read the room.
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Post by: Riffraft on October 09, 2018, 03:13:47 PM
I guess I am a beer snob. I mainly drink Four Peaks' Kiltlifter (a Phoenix craft beer company that has been bought out by Anheuser-busch). It is a fantastic Scottish Ale. During the fall I will order 5 cases of Shipyard's Pumkinhead (A Maine craft brewer) for the wife, but I will also drink. 
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 03:55:41 PM
you can stand next to utee94
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 03:56:09 PM
Coors, Shiner Bock, Corona, Rolling Rock.... all in my garage fridge.
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Post by: Mr Tulip on October 09, 2018, 04:35:21 PM
If you can see through it, it's probably not for me.
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 09, 2018, 05:08:54 PM
>> Coors, Shiner Bock, Corona, Rolling Rock.... all in my garage fridge.

RR is my favorite lately.  All the good of drinking beer without having to fight.
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 05:42:00 PM
I'm not a fan or RR

Coors banquet, Shiner Bock, Negra Modelo all fit my tastes
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Post by: CousinFreddie on October 09, 2018, 07:15:26 PM
I used to like Shiner Bock and Negra Modelo, back in the day.  They were okay, but just okay.

However, it's been years and years since I've had a mass produced beer like Bud or Miller.  I can't remember the last time.  Life is just too short to waste my limited beer space, my limited beer time, in this ever shortening life, on that stuff.  If that's being a beer snob, so be it, but it's just a matter of taste for me.  

The choice between a mass produced beer vs a microbrew (preferably on draft) is like choosing between a bama pie out of the vending machine vs a homemade fruit pie by your grandmom (or her recipe anyway, and I did learn how to make a respectable pie crust from my grandmom).  I mean, in a pinch I'll eat the bama pie, but given the choice, give me the homemade style.  Give me the craft brew.  Give me the true good taste.  Life is too short for the swill.  Sorry.
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 07:22:52 PM
I'm going to assume my beer space and beer time isn't nearly as limited
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Post by: CousinFreddie on October 09, 2018, 07:35:36 PM
Can't argue with that - I like your optimism Frank
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
If I'm not getting ready to go to work or at work, I'm usually drinking

sometimes I think I work too much
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 09, 2018, 08:12:08 PM
I like Guinness the best but I drink a lot of Dos Equis.  I didn’t used to but it seems be everywhere now, all icy cold in green bottles just dripping condensation.  I like how light it is.  You can slam it down fast like Gatorade.

Still if I had my druthers and I’m drinking beer to enjoy its flavor, I’ll take a malted barley beer on draft, 9 timss out of 10.

When I was down in Miami Beach the other week, evernody was drinking Stella Antois. Or something like that.

Tasted like Killian Red strained through the panties of a very old hooker.
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 09:47:13 PM
not a good flavor
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Post by: utee94 on October 09, 2018, 09:54:29 PM
Stella's good in Belgium.  The green bottles don't travel over the pond very well.  Same thing for Beck's, Heineken, etc.

Corona in clear bottles is even worse.  Light strike is the #1 cause for bad, skunked out beer flavors.  #2 is oxidation.  Which is why brown bottles are always better than green or clear, and why cans are better than bottles in every possible way.

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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 10:24:06 PM
Tasted like Killian Red strained through the panties of a very old hooker.
I drink quite a bit of Guinness,  It's very good for a light beer
I'm curious regarding Charlie's description of a "very old" hooker
I'm guessing a lady in her 40's.  50's and above would probably require something more like "very very old" or "scary old"
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 09, 2018, 10:31:40 PM
I drink quite a bit of Guinness,  It's very good for a light beer
I'm curious regarding Charlie's description of a "very old" hooker
I'm guessing a lady in her 40's.  50's and above would probably require something more like "very very old" or "scary old"
Nobody ever knows how old they are.  The one I had in mind would look about 70 but she might only be 46.
It’s a hard knocks life.
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Post by: FearlessF on October 09, 2018, 10:47:47 PM
Nobody ever knows how old they are.  

It’s a hard knocks life.
true and true

but 46 sounds about right
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 09, 2018, 11:29:09 PM
I used to like Shiner Bock and Negra Modelo, back in the day.  They were okay, but just okay.

However, it's been years and years since I've had a mass produced beer like Bud or Miller.  I can't remember the last time.  Life is just too short to waste my limited beer space, my limited beer time, in this ever shortening life, on that stuff.  If that's being a beer snob, so be it, but it's just a matter of taste for me.  

The choice between a mass produced beer vs a microbrew (preferably on draft) is like choosing between a bama pie out of the vending machine vs a homemade fruit pie by your grandmom (or her recipe anyway, and I did learn how to make a respectable pie crust from my grandmom).  I mean, in a pinch I'll eat the bama pie, but given the choice, give me the homemade style.  Give me the craft brew.  Give me the true good taste.  Life is too short for the swill.  Sorry.
Fred, isn't it beneath you to be a Sooner fan?

It's kinda, well you know, kinda common fare, for lack of a better term.
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 09, 2018, 11:32:19 PM
and why cans are better than bottles in every possible way.
I knew it!!  Canned beer does taste better.  I knew it wasn't in my mind.
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Post by: CousinFreddie on October 10, 2018, 01:10:53 AM
Funny Caveman but now that you brought it up, your choice of common swill and your team loyalties aren’t incongruent at all.  Fancy that.
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 10, 2018, 07:43:46 AM
I prefer beer on tap, followed by beer in bottles. I never buy canned beer.  It just tastes better from a glass IMO.  

So does ice tea and Arnold Palmers. Everything tastes better from glass.

On a similar but somewhat different note, I use deodorant instead of antiperspirant, and my i s c & a w and I used heavy duty Calphalon pots and pans instead of aluminum cookware.  I try very hard to keep my body from absorbing anything with aluminum in it or that has been in contact with aluminum.

I know early ‘90s scientists were never able to directly link the high amounts of aluminum in the brains of Alzheimer patients to things like aluminum cans or cookware or antiperspirants and it is likely a dubious correlation but I ain’t taking no chances.  A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 10, 2018, 07:52:02 AM
Cousin Fred is a wonderful sort.

Urbane, sophisticated, cosmopolitan.   College professor, nice guy, raconteur, a success from humble beginnings.

Been everywhere, done everything.  Dusted the grime of Muskogee off his hippie sandals long ago.

But he still carries one small trinket of Oklahoma in his heart - his love of Sooner football.

Probably cause he’d rather hobnob with us eclectic, exasperating yet unceasingly friendly Longhorn fans rather than those crazy, dangerous Uraguan futbol rivals of his beloved Argentina.

And did you know there’s a major road in El Paso named after Fred Wilson?  Makes me smile every time I see it.  I tell everybody there, “I know Fred.  He’s my cousin.”
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Post by: utee94 on October 10, 2018, 08:46:49 AM
I prefer beer on tap, followed by beer in bottles. I never buy canned beer.  It just tastes better from a glass IMO.  
You're actually 100% correct on this.  All beer is made to be poured into a glass.  Regardless of the transportation vessel-- can, bottle, keg, wooden cask-- it's all better when poured into a glass and consumed that way.  Even crappy macroswill is slightly less crappy when poured into a glass.  A large part of this is because the smell is better detected from the large opening of a glass compared to the smaller opening of a bottle or can, and like anything else we eat or drink, the smell is a large contributor to the flavor and experience.   A secondary part is that the "mouth-feel" of the glass is more pleasant to most people, compared to a bottle or can.   

Convenience sometimes dictates that it's easier for me to simply drink out of the packaging container-- most often this means drinking from beer cans whilst on the lake, as I don't allow glass on my boat and it's illegal on most public Texas waterways anyway.  I'll also drink bottled or canned beer at bars where they don't have draft options and don't have glasses to pour, but that's becoming less common every day. 

So although they're not great to drink from directly, cans are a far better method to preserve beer than bottles, which is why most craft breweries are switching over to cans these days.  Buy what you like and drink what you like, but if cans are an option, then they're 100% guaranteed to preserve the beer better than bottles ever could.
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 10, 2018, 09:00:03 AM
Buy what you like and drink what you like, but if cans are an option, then they're 100% guaranteed to preserve the beer better than bottles ever could.
And possibly give you Alzheimers.
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Post by: FearlessF on October 10, 2018, 10:44:20 AM
 All beer is made to be poured into a glass.  Regardless of the transportation vessel-- can, bottle, keg, wooden cask-- it's all better when poured into a glass and consumed that way.  Even crappy macroswill is slightly less crappy when poured into a glass.  A large part of this is because the smell is better detected from the large opening of a glass compared to the smaller opening of a bottle or can, and like anything else we eat or drink, the smell is a large contributor to the flavor and experience.   A secondary part is that the "mouth-feel" of the glass is more pleasant to most people, compared to a bottle or can.  
learned all this at seaworld in San Antonio - brewmaster school or something while my daughters were feeding the dolphins
if the beer is not poured from the bottle or can into a glass and allowed to make a head, then that gas is forced to exit your body by one of two ways
most dirt farmers I drink with kinda enjoy the occasional belch or fart
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Post by: FearlessF on October 10, 2018, 10:49:01 AM
And possibly give you Alzheimers.
nearly all beer cans, not just Keystone, are lined with Epoxy resins, most of which are made from bisphenol A (BPA).
Probably much more dangerous to your heath than aluminum
I'm sure Cincy can tell you plenty.
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Post by: utee94 on October 10, 2018, 10:53:02 AM
I thought keystone was glass-lined, not resin-lined?  Did they LIE????

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Post by: longhorn320 on October 10, 2018, 12:09:54 PM
nearly all beer cans, not just Keystone, are lined with Epoxy resins, most of which are made from bisphenol A (BPA).
Probably much more dangerous to your heath than aluminum
I'm sure Cincy can tell you plenty.
big deal ...... just another thing I like that can kill me
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Post by: FearlessF on October 10, 2018, 04:25:16 PM
I thought keystone was glass-lined, not resin-lined?  Did they LIE????


can you imagine if Charlie broke the glass and sucked down the shards?
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 10, 2018, 09:10:43 PM

If one consumed enough canned beer to develop Alzheimer's, I'm sure he's on his third liver.
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Post by: utee94 on October 10, 2018, 09:39:21 PM
Also, there are no credible studies-- no credible link-- between everyday sources of aluminum, and the development of Alzheimer's or other forms of dementia.

In other news, the world is not flat.
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Post by: longhorn320 on October 10, 2018, 10:22:55 PM
If one consumed enough canned beer to develop Alzheimer's, I'm sure he's on his third liver.
who are you
do I know you
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Post by: FearlessF on October 15, 2018, 02:04:02 PM
Increasing bouts of extreme heat waves and drought will hurt production of barley, a key beer ingredient, in the future. Losses of barley yield can be as much as 17 percent, an international group of researchers estimated.

That means beer prices on average would double, even adjusting for inflation, according to the study in Monday’s journal Nature Plants . In countries like Ireland, where cost of a brew is already high, prices could triple.

https://apnews.com/3f7f6cab367a489fb41d728f8a69f63b (https://apnews.com/3f7f6cab367a489fb41d728f8a69f63b)
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 15, 2018, 02:06:23 PM
Increasing bouts of extreme heat waves and drought will hurt production of barley, a key beer ingredient, in the future. Losses of barley yield can be as much as 17 percent, an international group of researchers estimated.

So you're saying global warming may be relevant after all?
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Post by: utee94 on October 15, 2018, 02:09:20 PM
Consumers of beer have proven to be relatively price-inelastic over the decades, which means that increases to beer prices don't correlate to decreases in demand.  This has proven mostly true over the past 10-15 years, as beer prices have crept up year after year, and demand has remained relatively stable.

But doubling the price from where it is right now ? That would make a dent. 
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Post by: FearlessF on October 15, 2018, 02:11:08 PM
hah, if I want to double the price of my beer, I just go from NW Iowa to Austin, TX
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Post by: FearlessF on October 15, 2018, 03:53:17 PM
anyone have an opinion on the Shiner Oktoberfest?

I noticed it in the grocery the other evening, but wasn't willing to give $8 for a sixer to test it.
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 15, 2018, 04:08:38 PM
Consumers of beer have proven to be relatively price-inelastic over the decades, which means that increases to beer prices don't correlate to decreases in demand.

This brings me to a brief interlude.  Smoking.

A couple of decades ago, a pack of cigarettes went from like $1 to $5 almost overnight.  And what happened?  Less people were smoking.  Who was going to pay $5 for a stinking pack of smokes?  What are we, idiots?

But now a new generation comes around.... a generation that doesn't know about the $1 pack.  Teens today will happily pay $5 for a pack of cigs.  And smoking has taken somewhat of a rebound.

What you will pay for something is a matter of conditioning.
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Post by: FearlessF on October 15, 2018, 04:13:10 PM
and the huge spike in Cigarettes was the sin tax increase

I will admit, when I'm being charged $10 for a Budweiser, I don't consume as much
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 15, 2018, 05:00:34 PM
Leonard Smalls, the bounty hunter played by Randall "Tex" Cobb in "Raising Arizona," put it quite eloquently when he said, "Price. A fair price. That's not what you say it is, and it's not what I say it is... It's what the market will bear."

In certain venues that offer certain entertainment, I have paid exorbitant prices for certain foods and beverages that would have no business costing near that much in other venues offering other entertainment options.

But once you've spent $20 bucks on a beer or $30 on a burger, you feel a bit hypocritical complaining about the comparatively small yet seemingly outrageous costs of those same items elsewhere.


That's life.  If you want a beer and can afford the price, you'll pay it.
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Post by: utee94 on October 15, 2018, 05:04:02 PM
anyone have an opinion on the Shiner Oktoberfest?

I noticed it in the grocery the other evening, but wasn't willing to give $8 for a sixer to test it.
It's below average for a Marzen/Oktoberfest  beer.
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Post by: utee94 on October 15, 2018, 05:06:23 PM
Leonard Smalls, the bounty hunter played by Randall "Tex" Cobb in "Raising Arizona," put it quite eloquently when he said, "Price. A fair price. That's not what you say it is, and it's not what I say it is... It's what the market will bear."

In certain venues that offer certain entertainment, I have paid exorbitant prices for certain foods and beverages that would have no business costing near that much in other venues offering other entertainment options.

But once you've spent $20 bucks on a beer or $30 on a burger, you feel a bit hypocritical complaining about the comparatively small yet seemingly outrageous costs of those same items elsewhere.


That's life.  If you want a beer and can afford the price, you'll pay it.
For sure, the market is situational and varies based on proximal environment.
But I thought those places that charged for $20 beers also compensated by giving you a juicy sirloin steak for only $3.99?
I'll admit my familiarity with such establishments is minimal.
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Post by: Mr Tulip on October 15, 2018, 05:14:01 PM
Global Warming to cause beer shortage

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41477-018-0263-1
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 15, 2018, 05:19:45 PM
For sure, the market is situational and varies based on proximal environment.
But I thought those places that charged for $20 beers also compensated by giving you a juicy sirloin steak for only $3.99?
I'll admit my familiarity with such establishments is minimal.

It's the old, 
Do I want it for only $9.99 (plus $17 shipping and handling)?
Or would I rather pay $26.99 and get FREE shipping and handling?
Or
Do I want to pay $37,500 for this new F150 and have them give me $9,000 on my old beater?

Or would I prefer to pay only $28,500 to the people who refuse to take my trade in?
It's all about whatever sounds most tolerable.
They gonna screw you no matter what.  Why wear out everybody by putting up a fight?
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Post by: BrownCounty on October 16, 2018, 09:14:55 AM
Do I want to pay $37,500 for this new F150 and have them give me $9,000 on my old beater?

Or would I prefer to pay only $28,500 to the people who refuse to take my trade in?

I'm not sure how I feel about the internets when it comes to new car shopping.

On the plus side, you pretty well know what your best purchase price will be for an F150.  A man doesn't have to drive all over the state to compare deals/prices.  You just hop on the internets.  Hence, dealers have to be competitive at first blush or they'll never get your attention.  Not like the old days.

On the negative side, there's no room for bargaining anymore - which I excelled at.  I took great pride 20 years ago driving home in my brand new Chevy single cab 2500 that I got for $21k, and talked the dealership into chrome bumpers to boot.  Sticker was $26k and had black bumpers.

My wife was embarrassed to stand by me while I operated on these guys.  I had to leave once - they called me while we eating lunch.  (We were in Abilene)  But after I closed the deal, my wife felt like she had just won the man lottery.  I couldn't get her off me the rest of that week.

The good ol' days of bargaining, I miss 'em.
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 16, 2018, 10:05:13 AM
When the missus and I first got married and we were DINKs (dual income/no kids) for a minute, I used to take her to resorts and I'd love to agree to listen to the timeshare sales pitches because in half hour, they would throw their best pitch, offer nice swag and I'd just grin and say no.

After one such pitch, my i s c & a w said she really hoped I would never make her sit through one of those ever again.  I said, but they've given us booze cruises and drink vouchers and overnight stays and mini vacations and we haven't spent a dime - only a half hour of listening to a pitch.

She said, "I don't care.  It's just not worth to me."

And thus my days as a coldhearted table-turner ended.
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Post by: CousinFreddie on October 16, 2018, 10:05:48 AM
I'm not sure how I feel about the internets when it comes to new car shopping.

On the plus side, you pretty well know what your best purchase price will be for an F150.  A man doesn't have to drive all over the state to compare deals/prices.  You just hop on the internets.  Hence, dealers have to be competitive at first blush or they'll never get your attention.  Not like the old days.

On the negative side, there's no room for bargaining anymore - which I excelled at.  I took great pride 20 years ago driving home in my brand new Chevy single cab 2500 that I got for $21k, and talked the dealership into chrome bumpers to boot.  Sticker was $26k and had black bumpers.

My wife was embarrassed to stand by me while I operated on these guys.  I had to leave once - they called me while we eating lunch.  (We were in Abilene)  But after I closed the deal, my wife felt like she had just won the man lottery.  I couldn't get her off me the rest of that week.

The good ol' days of bargaining, I miss 'em.
Huh, Cave, maybe we have more in common than I thought, except that my wife is at least as much of a hard bargainer as I am.  When we buy a car, we show up in the morning, pick out the car we want, and then sit there all day if need be until they give us essentially dealer cost.  It has worked for all four of our most recent purchases.  The trick is that they still get credit as a dealership for simply selling the car, and there are about I dunno 7-8 or so techniques they go through (including bringing out the store manager who angrily accuses you of not appreciating that they have lives and families and need to make a profit to live) before they finally give in.  They don't want you to leave, but you have no obligation to agree, and so we just sit on our price until they finally come down to it.  It usually takes a full day, but we've always saved a bundle that way.
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Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 16, 2018, 10:15:41 AM
Huh, Cave, maybe we have more in common than I thought, except that my wife is at least as much of a hard bargainer as I am.  When we buy a car, we show up in the morning, pick out the car we want, and then sit there all day if need be until they give us essentially dealer cost.  It has worked for all four of our most recent purchases.  The trick is that they still get credit as a dealership for simply selling the car, and there are about I dunno 7-8 or so techniques they go through (including bringing out the store manager who angrily accuses you of not appreciating that they have lives and families and need to make a profit to live) before they finally give in.  They don't want you to leave, but you have no obligation to agree, and so we just sit on our price until they finally come down to it.  It usually takes a full day, but we've always saved a bundle that way.
Trick is to come in with financing already settled and STICK WITH IT.
I have a couple of credit unions so I pit them against each other like a cockfight and go with whoever gives me the best deal.
Last time we bought a newer vehicle from a dealer, I told them we had financing covered so we would basically be paying cash.   Then we hunkered down for the day long process of getting the best price.
Somewhere along the line though, I made a terrible mistake.  The dealer asked me if they could check my credit and offer me even better financing.  I should've said no and stuck to my guns but in a moment of idiocy, I said okay.
Flash forward an hour or two we got the price we wanted and we knew for a fact that the financing from our CU was the best we could do.  We took the Jeep and left happy.  We even stood by it and posed for the stupid picture they put on Facebook or whatever.
Then Credit Karma told me my credit had taken a little hit because about 40 lenders had checked my credit that afternoon.
So yeah. I got the deal I wanted but they got a little twist of the knife in before we left.  Needless to say, lesson learn and that's a dealership we'll never go back to.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on October 16, 2018, 10:56:02 AM
When we buy a car, we show up in the morning, pick out the car we want, and then sit there all day if need be until they give us essentially dealer cost.

My approach was always to be disinterested.  As if I'm not even shopping for a car that day.  I tell the wife to go to the mall when I'm in this stage of the process.  She's way too easy to read.  I got screwed sideways on a Lexus about 12 years ago because they could read it all over the wife's face.  She was either getting that car or I was living out of a backpack.

At any rate, I play it nonchalant - make me a ridiculous deal and I'm all checkbook.  Otherwise, I got a ball game to watch at noon.
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Post by: FearlessF on October 16, 2018, 11:25:47 AM
I'm cold hearted when it comes to my money

I will spend the day.

I'm working on a Husker Red C6 Corvette this fall.  Dealer knows he can't sell it in the winter.  Will be April before anyone comes around.  I told him, "it can either sit in your garage or my garage over the winter."

I'm softening him up via email before I spend the time in his office.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 16, 2018, 11:30:02 AM
JYeah we’re on the same page here.  We always go in with a “who cares if we get a car” kind of attitude.  And we’re often ready to ease out the door.  They have to keep asking us to stay longer, as we’re fine leaving without a car, no worries.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 16, 2018, 11:35:46 AM
yup, ya gotta be willing to walk or you won't get the deal

leave the wife out of it

unless she's mean as hell and on your side :57:
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 16, 2018, 11:42:03 AM
My approach was always to be disinterested.  As if I'm not even shopping for a car that day.  I tell the wife to go to the mall when I'm in this stage of the process.  She's way too easy to read.  I got screwed sideways on a Lexus about 12 years ago because they could read it all over the wife's face.  She was either getting that car or I was living out of a backpack.

At any rate, I play it nonchalant - make me a ridiculous deal and I'm all checkbook.  Otherwise, I got a ball game to watch at noon.
Got an awesome deal on my most recent F150 purchase, doing just that.  The key was, I actually could take it or leave it.  Plenty more out there where this one came from and there was no urgency to my buying now, vs 3 months from now.  The salesman felt a lot more urgency than I did.
Your point is right, there's not a TON of room to bargain on an F150, but what I do know, is that I left nothing on the table.  
I walked in to multiple dealerships, test-drove at least a dozen trucks, told them all I what I was doing, and told them exactly what I was looking for-- specifically, I needed a truck that would tow at least 11,000 lbs with all of the appropriate towing options and gear ratios to do so comfortably-- and let them call me over the next week to throw their best at me.
Worked like a charm, and I even lucked into a Platinum package instead of the Lariat or King Ranch, because it was the only one the dealer had that included all my towing specs.  That salesman was motivated.  
And yes, my i s c & a aggie wife stayed out of it.  Similar to BC, she got me completely hosed when we bought her Toyota Solara convertible years ago.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 16, 2018, 11:45:03 AM
Sweet - What year corvette?  New or ?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 16, 2018, 11:46:05 AM
I'm cold hearted when it comes to my money

I will spend the day.

I'm working on a Husker Red C6 Corvette this fall.  Dealer knows he can't sell it in the winter.  Will be April before anyone comes around.  I told him, "it can either sit in your garage or my garage over the winter."

I'm softening him up via email before I spend the time in his office.
Wait.
You have times of the year when you can't drive cars?  Or certain cars?
Life in Iowa must be like that March of the Penguins movie.
At the moment, it is 48, cloudy and rainy and I hope it doesn't get any colder or wetter than this or I'm just going to stay in bed.   If it's not over 70 (at least on average), I don't want any part of it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 16, 2018, 01:05:39 PM
Yep, a hardiness zone of 7 is the lowest I’ll willingly go.  FF lives in a 4-5 area, which is just way too Brrrrr for me

https://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/PHZMWeb/ (https://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/PHZMWeb/)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on October 16, 2018, 02:49:17 PM
At the moment, it is 48, cloudy and rainy and I hope it doesn't get any colder or wetter than this or I'm just going to stay in bed.

We're running about 41 degrees in Brownwood, non-stop rain for 3 days and no end in sight.  I suspect the town will be underwater day after tomorrow.  And I'm loving it.

I'm always a sucker for a change in the weather.  Besides, I've got an awesome Carhartt Longhorn coat that I don't get to wear enough.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 16, 2018, 03:04:20 PM
49 and cloudy in Austin, it's stopped raining at least for the moment.  I have a massive pot of chili on the burner right now, should be ready about 6.  Smells amazing already though...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 16, 2018, 09:05:51 PM
This morning my cat stuck his head out the doggie door for about 40 seconds, then pulled it back in, turned his head and gave me one of those Ice Cube gansta stares like he was ready to bust out the AK.

I tried my best to explain I didn’t control the weather but I don’t think he completely bought it.

Being a god in somebody’s eyes is not all you might think it would be.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 16, 2018, 09:13:17 PM
Ha!  

True dat
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 16, 2018, 09:54:53 PM
63 degrees and sunny this afternoon so I played 18 in my shorts

y'all should move here

Beers and cigars are great in this weather

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 16, 2018, 09:59:23 PM
Sweet - What year corvette?  New or ?
2013 Grand Sport 1LT listed at $33,997
or
2006 Z06 13,300 Miles. Price: Was $36,997 ?? Now $35,997
told them I have $30,000 cash
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 17, 2018, 12:04:59 AM
You’ll be stylin’ either way.  >400 horses.  How far are you from SD?  I think the top speed limit on SD freeways is 80.  Good for a vette.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 17, 2018, 08:02:31 AM
If this is the engine talk thread now, I gotta tell you how much I love the 3.5L twin turbo Ecoboost engine in my Ford F150.  After driving plodding V8 trucks for so long, this thing is a breath of fresh air!

And the way it tows, oh lawdy.  I'm pretty darn impressed with this vehicle.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 17, 2018, 11:28:32 AM
My father was a Mopar man & I tried to respect and uphold that preference.

Honestly aren’t 1970, 71 and 72 big block Cudas glorious?

But in the ‘80s I went with Toyota’s for the sake of reliability.

In the ‘90s when my kids were expensive and my income was inadequate, I couldn’t afford new vehicles or the exorbitant resale costs of foreign cars so I had to go with GM.

Some were great, some were mediocre, some were terrible.

I didn’t like the way GM mismanaged their money or reorganized after their bail out - that I didn’t much like either but I kept on buying and driving used GM products until a few years ago.

I had a Saturn Relay that kept overheating.  I replaced the radiator, hoses, thermostat, thermostat housing and water pump. The evil beast still overheated.  In the weeks I tried to fix it, I unbolted the thermostat housing maybe a couple dozen times.  There was one bolt that was so wickedly placed I became convinced that GM engineers were purely evil sadists.

The last time I failed at resolving the overheating problem, I sold the thing for scrap and became a Ford man.

Fords may not be perfect but I’ve been much happier.  

My oldest son moved out before my conversion so he still contends with OBS Chevy trucks that are broke down more than they run.   Every now and then I’ll ask him how many miles the F350 he drives at work has.  Last time I asked he said it had about 325,000 miles.   He still hasn’t figured out why I ask him that every time his Chevy is inoperable.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 17, 2018, 11:43:56 AM
I've had 2 Dodges, 2 Fords, and 2 Chevys in my life.  The 1981 Dodge Omni was a complete POS, but beyond that, reliability has been roughly the same for all of them.  

My i s c & a aggie wife has had a Honda and Toyota in the time we've been together.  The Toyota has had weird electrical problems from Day 1, and I'll never buy another Toyota because of it-- but the Honda was by far the best car I've ever owned.  Zero issues with it other than scheduled maintenance in the ~10 years we had it.  

I have no idea why we got rid of that thing.  My i s c & a aggie wife wanted a new car and liked the Toyota convertible, and we had the money, so we bought it and sold the Honda to my 18yo nephew, who promptly totaled it.  

Sure wish we still had that car.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 17, 2018, 11:55:47 AM
I'm not even sure I can remember all of the vehicles I've had over the years, but I can probably remember the best and the worst.

The best - 1986 Toyota pickup, 2000 Chevy Cavalier coupe with a 5 speed, 2004 Pontiac Montana, 2012 Ford Fiesta hatchback

The worst - 1988 Cadillac Cimarron, 1994 Chevy Corsica, 2003 Pontiac Sunfire, 2007 Saturn Relay

Funny thing is the Sunfire and Cavalier were basically the same thing, as were the Montana and Relay.   Yet in each group one was somewhat stellar while the other one was pretty much horrible.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 17, 2018, 11:57:13 AM
Some of you people change cars often.

I've had my last two SUVs for 12, and 11 years, consecutively.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 17, 2018, 12:02:45 PM
I bought the 2004 Montana in the fall of 2005 when the 2006s came out.  At the same time my brother-in-law bought a 2005 Honda Odyssey. 

Naturally he pooh-poohed the Montana as being historically unreliable per Consumer Report, while extolling his Odyssey as vastly superior in every respect.

It's not like I could afford to be choosy.  I spent a whole lot less on my Montana and it was simply the best deal for the money I could afford.

But I guess the evil capricious car gods were on my side, because they blessed my Montana and cursed his Odyssey.

He had to have the transmission, air conditioner and dvd player all replaced over the next few years.  In fact, I think he had the transmission replaced two or three times.

Meanwhile getting a new set of tires was the most costly maintenance I ever had to perform on the Montana.  The kids loved it.   It was funky, sporty, comfortable.

The Trans Am of minivans.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 17, 2018, 12:02:59 PM
My vehicles have spanned American made trucks, Japanese bikes, and Japanese and German compacts.  My favorites so far were the Ford F100 truck I had backin high school (indestructible, which is what I needed then) and this current VW Golf (which has a great sound system and can flat out scoot in traffic).  I did have a serious crush on my Yamaha 750 that I rode while I was in the service.  But it’s hard to carry the wife and son around on that.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 17, 2018, 12:06:57 PM
Some of you people change cars often.

I've had my last two SUVs for 12, and 11 years, consecutively.  
The Montana was rear-ended and deemed a total loss by the responsible party's insurance company.  
We kept the Cavalier 14 years.  I kept the Toyota pick up 11 years.  We still have the 2012 Fiesta.
I have five drivers on my insurance.  Cars are like groceries.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 17, 2018, 12:21:00 PM
I have no idea what a Montana or Odyssey might be.  Those names sound made up. Are they made up?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 17, 2018, 12:29:05 PM
I have no idea what a Montana or Odyssey might be.  Those names sound made up. Are they made up?
Please give me an example of a word that was not made up.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on October 17, 2018, 01:36:25 PM
I have my 2000 Dodge Durango that I bought new. No one else in the family messes with it, so it's mine. When it breaks down, I watch a YouTube video, order parts on Amazon, and ride my bike until I have time to fix it (and most other times even when the truck works anyway).

Now I've got big bass amps shoved in it, because I want it that way.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 17, 2018, 02:49:27 PM
Just in case Junior really does not know what Montanas and Odysseys are:  

Here's a 2005 Honda Odyssey like my B-I-L had:

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.2040-cars.com%2F_content%2Fcars%2Fimages%2F49%2F366149%2F003.jpg&hash=9376c5980e87955d296f906ef8cf7d31)

This, meanwhile, is a 2004 Pontiac Montana like I had:

(https://imganuncios.mitula.net/2004_pontiac_montana_m16_2200055421803656799.jpg)

As you can see, it was the... Trans Am...

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.2040-cars.com%2F_content%2Fcars%2Fimages%2F61%2F539961%2F001.jpg&hash=015da8e64de39efe0072a332cf44488a)

Of minivans!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 17, 2018, 02:54:51 PM
A friend of mine had an Olds Silhouette.  It was the Cadillac of minivans.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 17, 2018, 03:34:59 PM
I really had no idea.  I don't know anything about minivans.  

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 18, 2018, 03:04:13 PM
You’ll be stylin’ either way.  >400 horses.  How far are you from SD?  I think the top speed limit on SD freeways is 80.  Good for a vette.
I'm 30 minutes from South Dakota
I drove from Sewer City to Sewer Falls up I-29 yesterday afternoon.  Limit is 80mph.  Saw a couple Vettes near Beresford, SD where they are holding my soon to be Red C6.  https://www.jerryschevy.net/ (https://www.jerryschevy.net/)
The 2013 Grand Sport has been reduced from $34,997 to $32,997. 
 
The 2006 Z06 has been reduced from $36,997 to $34,997.
I told the salesman I have cash if he can get to $29,997 on either one.  He's holding out.  Says he can't get there.  If he can't I'm fine with that.  Will take it up again the in spring.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 18, 2018, 03:18:28 PM
Why it’s 71 in Souix Falls right now.  Only 57 here.   I’m still driving.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 18, 2018, 04:45:09 PM
I'll be driving my golf cart in less than an hour
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 23, 2018, 07:53:31 AM
Looks like I need to move to Sioux Falls. I'm already worn out with this cold and wet.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 29, 2018, 03:34:02 PM
On a slightly different subject, what are your thoughts on alcohol.

I have decided I like Herradurra Silver tequila.  Very smooth.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 29, 2018, 03:37:05 PM
I didn't realize Patron was $6/shot until someone ordered a round and put it on my tab last week in Lincoln

$48
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 29, 2018, 04:31:03 PM
Patron is pretty average and certainly not worth the extra.  At a similar price point, Don Julio is much better.

For "everyday" tequilas I like Espolon and Cazadores.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 29, 2018, 04:34:44 PM
Jeez, you guys are still able to handle all this hard stuff at your advanced ages?  I'm sincerely impressed.  One good 16 oz beer and I'm pretty much set.  Two, and I'm asking someone else to drive.  I can't remember the last time I had a tequila or whiskey shot.  Now, Oregon edibles, that's a different story ... but I have to ration those all the way over here in Maryland.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 29, 2018, 05:05:39 PM
never been one of those to act my age

but, I have been one of those that will drink what someone sets up in front of me
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 29, 2018, 05:20:33 PM
When I was younger I was less inclined to drink hard liquor but now that I'm older I sometimes find that I enjoy a bit because a little dab'll do me.   As a matter of fact, the sweetness and syrupiness of some cocktails can yuck my stomach up more than the alcohol would.   I'm not a soft drink drinker.   And I don't like syrupy sweet margarita mixes.

Take a smooth tequila like Herradurra Silver and it's plenty good with a salted rim, plenty of lime juice and a a few ice cubes.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on October 30, 2018, 12:29:22 PM
My brother travels back and forth to Mexico pretty often on business, and he was way way into tequila a few years ago.  Was savvy on all the main brands and how they differed, etc etc.  Listening to him talk about all that was a good antidote to insomnia.

For me, it's all just fire water.  I'll drink it for the buzz, but not the taste. 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 12:35:54 PM
yup, all that fire water tastes bad

some just tastes better than others
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2018, 02:13:22 PM
Good tequila has a ton of flavor and is easy to drink neat, rocks, or with a twist of lime.

Bad tequila tastes horrible and no amount of syrupy sweet mix can hide it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 30, 2018, 02:49:50 PM
For years I thought I couldn't afford anything more than Jose Cuervo Gold.  Consequently I could take it or leave it.

But tequila ain't like a six pack of beer.  You're probably not just going to sit there and drink it until it's gone unless your heart is broken or you have self-control issues.

Instead you're gonna nurse it along here and there.

Averaged out $40 or $50 for 750 ml is well worth the price cause it's just so much smoother.  It practically drinks you.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 04:15:03 PM
I figured out in college, when I didn't have a dime, that life was too short to drink cheap crappy booze.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2018, 04:43:28 PM
Amen, brutha.

I don't drink so much hard liquor that I can't afford something decent, and in a lot of cases you don't even need to spend $40 to get something decent.

For single malt Islay Scotch whisky, you can get a 750ml Laphroig 10yr for $37.

If you prefer smooth and inoffensive blended Scotch whisky, The Famous Grouse will run you around $21.

For tequila, you can get a 750ml Cazadores silver for $20, Cazadores reposado for $21, and Cazadores anejo for $35.

Tito's unflavored vodka is $17.

Bombay Sapphire juniper-berry-flavored vodka is $19.

Old Overholt is a delicious rye whiskey that you can get for around $15.

I have bottles of all of these, and twice again as many other styles and brands.  I doubt I go through even one per year of any of them, and that includes what I serve to guests.

There's no need at all to spend a ton, to drink good stuff.  You just need to sample a few, and be willing to look for value rather than trendy labels.










Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 04:48:43 PM
yup, amazing the folks that will drink cheap vodka out of a plastic bottle for $7/bottle instead of spending $17 for something decent

I'm a cheap skate, but I gotta draw the line on booze.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: UT-Erin03 on October 30, 2018, 04:58:10 PM
I prefer the Crown version of fire water.    I'll even take the flavored ones, they are all tasty to me.   The Crown Apple bottle is a favorite with my extended family at Christmas the past couple of years, it seems.  There's always someone who doesn't do Tequila, or Scotch, or whatever... but Crown always seems to be up everyone's alley in our holiday gatherings.  


I do have a beer question - has anyone tried the Bitches Brew?   I was wondering if it was any good, I was considering buying it for someone kind of as a joke, but I was hoping it was at least decent to drink before doing so.    I haven't tried many of the new beers on the market lately but I'm loving all the cool names & labels I see when I scan through the beer aisles here.  

(https://www.cfb51.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjunglejims.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F02%2FDogfish-Head-Bitches-Brew.jpg&hash=cf3e1fc69a03008c795241851ec8a834)





(https://www.totalwine.com/media/sys_master/twmmedia/h04/h73/11356757950494.png)

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2018, 05:08:11 PM
never seen it before, but it's got a shark on the label!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2018, 05:16:26 PM
That's Dogfish Head's branding.  I'm not a huge fan of their beers because they tend toward the EXTREMELY hoppy IPAs, but the description for this one says it's some kind of Imperial Stout blend.

For people that like dark, malty beers, this one is probably pretty good.

Not to be confused with dark, malty, autumnal meads of course.  Dilly dilly!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Drew4UTk on October 30, 2018, 05:59:34 PM
I use-tuh sell cigars for a livin.  And wine.  Both were wildly popular at the time.  They both, along with most hoity-toity hard pours, share the same dynamics of availability and marketing.  A good smoke is entry of $4 a stick, after that its ALL about availability or marketing as the quality doesn't drastically improve... With wines the entry for a good 750ml was around $8.  I hear that's $11 now... Hard pour is the most established and controlled in most states, who shameleasly fix prices but will prosecute anyone else for doing the same with say, gasoline or something . A good bottle of bourbon starts at around $25 around here. A cigar, wine, or bourbon that has a good or great season (due to ingredients grown) and is recognized as such will be twice the price the next season, and due to availability and whether it rates it that season or not... The next season it will be three times the first seasons price, as more folks are aware- some from experiencing the first seasons quality and some from buying into the hype the second season.  The third season out makes or breaks the label.  There are bourbon companies out there whove had 5 plus great seasons, and those prices aint coming down... Same with cigars, and wine .

As an abuser of each of the above, it pisses me off... However, it triggers me to seek that 'next' great one.... Hence, the snobbery. 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Drew4UTk on October 30, 2018, 06:03:22 PM
@Cincydawg (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=870)  ought to be in this conversation.  He knows a thing or two about a thing or two when it comes to booze.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2018, 10:50:22 PM
Plenty of great wines and whiskeys with prices that are stable and not escalating year over year.  

I know nothing about cigars so can't comment on that.  I loathe smoking in pretty much any form. I grew up with a mom that smoked heavily, including in the car on long road trips. I can't be within 20' of cigarette smoke without gagging and wanting to hurl.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 31, 2018, 10:04:23 AM
I enjoy a decent cigar from time to time.  Usually on the back nine.

I'd like to try a pipe, but not really sure where to get started.  I'm sure I could figure something out to start, but I'm lazy.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 31, 2018, 04:47:32 PM
Hadn't smoked a cigar since my father died of lung cancer in 2006 but I used to be a Swisher Sweet Perfecto man.  You can spend more for a cigar but you can't find a finer one.  It's perfecto.  

I was always a beer man until I began traveling.  In El Paso you have to drink margaritas because they're so cheap and ubiquitous they practically pay you to drink them.  And that's when I noticed le diffe'rence!

I started experimenting with different mixtures using different bottles from different shelves and Herradura Silver just touched the right chord within me.   It's about $38 to $45 per 750 ml depending upon where I buy it but it's worth every nickel regardless.

Everybody's got different tastes.  Look up best tequilas and best tequilas under $50 and you'll pull up dozens of lists with very few tequilas common among all the lists.

Someday when I'm dissatisfied with my life and looking for something new I can start sampling others.  Maybe I'll find one I like just as well for $28 or even $18.  But for now, why look.  I'm happy with what I've found.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 31, 2018, 05:26:01 PM
No need to be defensive about your choice in pretentious tequilas.  I was merely offering better-tasting options that, as a bonus, are also less expensive.

But far be it from me to attempt to change the opinion of a crotchety old man who is set in his ways.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on October 31, 2018, 09:01:16 PM
WTH you whinin’ ‘bout, Jr?  I didn’t even realize you had contributed to this thread.  Way to get my attention.  I’ll have to go back & see what you said.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 01, 2018, 12:13:22 AM
Now you think you can gaslight me?

Nice try oldtimer.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 01, 2018, 09:52:03 AM
The flea on the dog always believes its all about him.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 01, 2018, 01:28:28 PM
Riiiiigggghhhhhttttt....

So, anyway, it's time to move on from the pumpkin beers and get into the dark winter ales.  It was something like 45 degrees this morning at my house.  Definitely winter weather!

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 01, 2018, 02:02:35 PM
I'm still waiting for cool fall weather

60 degrees on the golf course here for Halloween
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 01, 2018, 02:42:02 PM
I'll have to try some Cazadores.  I might like it.  Then again I might not.  Tastes differ.  I know a guy who loves Natty Light.  None of my friends have wives I would've married.  I know people who drive vehicles I wouldn't drive, live in houses I wouldn't live in, work at jobs I wouldn't want and vote for candidates I wouldn't vote for.  Tastes can vary greatly.  But for less than $30 it's worth trying.  Thank you for the recommendation, Junior.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 01, 2018, 03:56:52 PM
Well that's might noble of you, my old friend. ;)

If you hate it, I'll blame Fearless for the recommendation.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on November 01, 2018, 04:04:30 PM
I'll have to try some Cazadores.  I might like it.  Then again I might not.  Tastes differ.  I know a guy who loves Natty Light.  None of my friends have wives I would've married.  I know people who drive vehicles I wouldn't drive, live in houses I wouldn't live in, work at jobs I wouldn't want and vote for candidates I wouldn't vote for.  Tastes can vary greatly.  But for less than $30 it's worth trying.  Thank you for the recommendation, Junior.

I would try a few of my friend's wives for $30.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 01, 2018, 05:15:39 PM
As would I

I'm not a wealthy person, but I can come up with $30 for the right reason
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on November 01, 2018, 07:24:23 PM
None of my friends have wives I would've married. 
Yep, same here when it comes to my own friends and their wives.  But, when it comes to a few of my wife's friends, that's a different story, particularly those from Argentina.  As I'd like to live into old age, those thoughts have always just stayed with me entirely, but ... damn.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CharleyHorse46 on November 02, 2018, 10:52:38 AM
When I was 30 or so, my friends all had interesting and attractive wives and my wife had interesting and attractive friends.

Now that I'm over 50, my friends' wives are no longer interesting and attractive and my wife's friends are no longer interesting and attractive.

I'm not an age-a-phobe.   I find a lot of older women to be quite beautiful as people and in appearance.  Just not my wife's friends or my friends' wives.

Lots of people (men and women) tend to develop ugly qualities as they get older.  They eat too much of the wrong foods, they don't exercise and they don't care.  They wear clothes that are comfortable instead of stylish so they look like an unmade bed.  (Often and unmade kings size bed).  As youthful hopefulness gives way to boring routines, they become louder and more negative.  Oftentimes even critical of innocuous things in their periphery that shouldn't even bother them.  You can see the "get off my lawn" attitude developing.

The more I see those qualities in my peers, the more I want to fight them.  Maybe it's vanity.  Maybe I don't want to grow old.  

I like to believe it's actually because I want to be a friendly likable person when I get old instead of the kind of person kids and grandkids hate to visit and neighborhood kids love to egg.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on November 02, 2018, 11:25:07 AM
Now that I'm over 50, my friends' wives are no longer interesting and attractive and my wife's friends are no longer interesting and attractive.

I forgot to mention, my wife's bestie is 20 years her junior.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2018, 11:55:47 AM


The more I see those qualities in my peers, the more I want to fight them.  Maybe it's vanity.  Maybe I don't want to grow old.  


some days I fight harder than others.  I don't think it's vanity for me and I don't really mind getting older, except for the pain my body feels.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on November 02, 2018, 02:01:55 PM
“and I wanna grow old, without the pain
Give my body back to the earth, and not complain”
-AB

https://g.co/kgs/dsJhoV (https://g.co/kgs/dsJhoV)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2018, 02:10:21 PM
too late for me, there's been some pain
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on November 02, 2018, 05:29:19 PM
too late for me, there's been some pain
Yep, hard to escape it
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 02, 2018, 05:38:39 PM
I hadn't expected the Codgers' Convention around here.

Y'all keep your arthritis and you hemorrhoids and such to yourself, thank you very much.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CousinFreddie on November 02, 2018, 06:01:56 PM
I've luckily escaped those two fates so far, but have lost a gall bladder and an appendix along the way.  Don't really miss either one though. 

Anyway, don't worry your "young" forty-something head about it, you'll get your own dose of old age soon enough cousin.  Trust me on this one.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 02, 2018, 06:49:08 PM
utee,

If you're lucky age and pain will catch up with you
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 22, 2019, 11:17:41 PM
The secret of classic Belgian beers? 
Medieval super-yeasts

https://phys.org/news/2019-10-secret-classic-belgian-beers-medieval.html (https://phys.org/news/2019-10-secret-classic-belgian-beers-medieval.html)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 22, 2019, 11:33:39 PM
Medieval Super Yeasts would make a great band name.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 22, 2019, 11:39:55 PM
classic Belgian band
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 23, 2019, 08:30:55 AM
Mmmmmm Belgian beer.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 29, 2019, 06:20:54 AM
Medieval Super Yeasts would make a great band name.



How about "Medieval Super Worts"?

Or "Distilled Magic"?

Or "Fermented Grain Product Subsequently Distilled Three Times and Aged in Charred Oak Barrels"?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 29, 2019, 08:05:24 AM
Yeah I don't think any of those work as well...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 29, 2019, 08:14:00 AM
When I was in college, we had maybe 10 beer types available, and several were cheaper versions of the main one, like RW&B and PBR.

They all tasted pretty much the same, and "Coors" was this extremely rare magical stuff that I thought was favored by folks who don't like beer taste.  We also had Stroh, which was "fire brewed".  No one every explained to me why that was some kind of a thing.  There were a couple of German beers in some stores here and there, St, Pauli Girl I recall, and Heineken, but we couldn't afford them.  One bar downtown had Schlitz Dark on tap and I really liked that stuff.  Miller Lite was off in the future.

Bud, Miller, Schlitz, PBR, Stroh, and derivatives.  That was basically IT.  

Compare that with today, it's pretty amazing.  I have to credit Sam Adams in part for this revolution.  Europeans used to scoff at US beers for obvious reason.

I was in Seattle in 1988 (or so) at a conference and chanced upon this thing called a "brew pub".  It was fascinating, they made their own beer on site, and had great salmon sandwiches.  What a concept.  They had DIFFERENT beers that really tasted GOOD and not like horse piss in the rain.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 29, 2019, 11:20:15 AM
Yup, craft brew revolution in the USA has given us a lot more variety and choice.  I used to have to drink nothing but Euro beers since our own were so bad.  Life is good.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 29, 2019, 11:59:05 AM
yup, back in college I drank the St, Pauli Girl and Heineken, when someone else was buying

preferred the Grolsch in the flip top bottle when available

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Lz4AAOSw2FdbcHYM/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 29, 2019, 01:57:55 PM
The wife and I remind ourselves daily of "Good Things".  It's easy to spiral down into thinking Life is Awful (and there are times, I'm just back from the dentist).

The profusion of good beer is a good thing.  Of course, some of the "experiments" are not to our liking, but we have so many choices.  I'm happy with a Samuel Adams, quite happy in fact.  Goose Island I like.  If I feel like a lighter beer, the Sweetwater 420 Ale is excellent (to me).  And this is grocery store beer, not something I can get at however many brew pubs are around me today.

I'm warm, have plenty to eat and drink, I live in a pretty safe environment, pollution is way down from 1970, cars today are fantastic, even some Cadillacs have over 600 hp.

Wine down here is incredibly cheap, and Costco has a BOX WINE (their own brand) that is incredibly quaffable (bit not transcendent) at $3.50 a bottle equivalent.

And TVs.  Holy cow are TVs fantastic today, and "cheap".  Most of us are old enough to have watched sports on some 13" B&W TV where you had to stand just so to get decent reception.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 29, 2019, 02:47:53 PM
life is good, until your football team only wins 4 games in a season
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 29, 2019, 03:37:00 PM
life is good, until your football team only wins 4 games in a season
So, you're not a Bengals fan then?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 29, 2019, 04:10:21 PM
not even during the Ickey shuffle daze
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on October 29, 2019, 08:48:10 PM
Heineken is stinky beer.  How we ever thought--back in college--that it was something special is beyond me.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 29, 2019, 09:06:39 PM
Heineken draft is ok.  But the green bottles do it no favors.  The beer goes bad due to light-strike which sets off a chemical reaction starting with riboflavin and ending with a skunky smelling/tasting compound called 3-MBT,  I'm sure CincyDawg could explain it way better than I can.

Clear and green bottles are bad, brown bottles are a little better, but cans are the only individual-sized transport vessel that are impervious to light-strike and they're also better sealed against oxidation.

Anyway, like I said before the draft version doesn't get that skunky taste, but it's still not a great beer.  It's always surprised me that a mediocre beer from the Netherlands became much more popular in the US than a bunch of really fantastic beers from Holland's neighbor, Belgium-- but such is the power of marketing.

 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on October 29, 2019, 09:19:15 PM
I've never had Heineken draft.  But out of a green bottle, it's bad stuff.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 29, 2019, 09:59:29 PM
I'm with you, I won't drink it either.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 30, 2019, 08:01:40 AM
In Europe, it's "OK".  I have not found Europe to have the profusion of beers we have here, maybe I'm too wine-centric.

Bars will have 2-3 taps usually, name brand beers I recognize.  I guess they have local breweries somewhere.

I did find some whiskey they are making in Brittany that was pretty good/interesting, a micro type.  They grow a good bit of corn there, mostly for cattle.  The French people by and large don't eat much corn.  They don't even seem to have grits.

Alsace does have some good beers, and they grow a lot of hops there of course, but it has been Germany in the past a few times.  Interesting region, they even have their own language (as do Bretons and some areas in the south, like Languedoc, which means language of the Occitanes, apparently related to Catalonian.



Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2019, 03:28:28 PM
To be clear, France is similar to Spain and Italy regarding beer, but is really nothing at all like Germany, Belgium, Czech Republic, or the UK.  Way more options for beer in those latter countries.

Even so, outside of a couple of large cities in Belgium, the local bars tend to carry the local beers.  So you still might only see 3-4 taps at a Belgian beer bar.  One could be a major national pilsner/lager like Maes, Jupluer, or Stella Artois.  The other three taps are likely to be all from the local monastery, so there might be a golden ale, a brown ale, and a dubbel or trippel ale, all from the same local/regional brewery.  Most of those local ales are bottled, and bottle-conditioned, and served to you in the exactly appropriate glass.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on October 30, 2019, 04:06:43 PM
Football season and Beer is back to the top.

Yep, Texas and OU both lost.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2019, 04:24:45 PM
shame on them

Iowa State also lost, not shocking, but was a ranked team
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2019, 04:59:19 PM
Sucking sucks.

But beer does not.  I'm currently enjoying a Live Oak Primus weizenbock, whilst finalizing my arrangements for camping at the racetrack this weekend.

FORMULA ONE UNITED STATES GRAND PRIX, BABY!!!!

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2019, 05:02:27 PM
Circuit of the Americas can't be that far from home to require a camper
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 30, 2019, 05:17:46 PM
Circuit of the Americas can't be that far from home to require a camper
Camping out there is way easier and way more fun, than driving back and forth every day.  It's basically a 4-day-long tailgate party.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 30, 2019, 06:50:48 PM
good call on the camper
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 31, 2019, 03:40:20 AM
good call on the camper
Currently sitting beside the house, plugged in, refrigerators cooling, getting ready for the short trek to the racetrack.  No hookups there so we'll be dry camping off propane, 12V batteries, and generator to keep the batteries topped off.

It'll be cool so I won't have to run the A/C for the entire weekend, which will save tremendously on genny gas.

Only thing I'm worried about, is running out of water.  With my i s c & a aggie wife, and my Longorn SIL, we'll likely burn through freshwater at an alarming rate! :)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 31, 2019, 08:41:30 AM
I have driven on that track in a high performance sedan.  It was fun, I wasn't very fast.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on October 31, 2019, 08:50:50 AM
I've ridden bikes on it, and run it as a 5K.  It has pretty decent elevation changes for being in the flattest part of Austin.

I also got accidentally trapped on it after the Justin Timberlake concert on the Saturday night of the USGP two years ago.  We wandered for about 45 minutes trying to find a way off the track (we weren't ever supposed to actually get ON the track but nobody told us that...).  Bald Greg's wife, Denise, jumped on one of the tractors they use to haul off cars when they wreck, and said she'd grown up on a farm and knew how to drive one.  She actually got that thing started before I hauled her off it. 

This story is fitting for this thread because there was a lot of Beer involved that day...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 31, 2019, 09:00:26 AM
When I did the driving course, they took us out three at a time following a "pro" in the lead car.  We took it in segments to learn the track.  The first time out, the lead car said we would "take it easy" the first time.  (We had radio comm.)  Holy cow, I could barely keep up.

Later, as the wife was with me and not driving, they let her sit with the pro driver and she said the driver was driving with one hand on the wheel and talking in the radio at the same time as if it was nothing.  I was doing all I could to keep up.  It ended to brake WAY too soon for fear of bending some expensive sheet metal and was hesitant to attack the turns, especially the one that is elevated and sharp.

It was a fascinating day and they did it quite well.  The wife said riding along was scary but fun.

We hit about 135 mph on the back straight a few times before braking.  The cars were automatics and they told us to use the brakes not the flappy paddles.  And we had the suspension settings in "Track One" as I recall, so the car was correcting some of our mistakes.

135 mph is really fast, for me.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 31, 2019, 10:19:39 AM
sounds like a helluva good day!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 31, 2019, 10:31:31 AM
They did a first class job, I have great memories of it.  They had a nice dinner after and let the wife join me, no issues, and same with lunch.  They had some interesting folks do Q&A including a guy from Michelin who was very interesting.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 31, 2019, 12:05:46 PM
maybe I'll buy a lotto ticket, was it very expensive?

that is only 30 mins from my brother's house
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 31, 2019, 01:30:12 PM
The one day thing was a grand, and well worth it my view.

https://cadillacvclub.com/event-2955331 (https://cadillacvclub.com/event-2955331)

Incidentally, I took the wife here for lunch, really fun, some great beers.

https://sweetwaterbrew.com/brewery-bookings/ (https://sweetwaterbrew.com/brewery-bookings/)

They have a very nice patio area but it was pouring.  She especially liked one of their barrels aged light ales, which was pretty neat I thought.  It's not on their web site.

Food was solid.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on October 31, 2019, 01:46:23 PM
hmmm, a grand a day, but ya get fed.

I'm squeemish about dropping $700 for a round at Pebble Beach, that might include food and drinks, probably $800 will cover.

about the same I guess

I should check for a Corvette performance lab
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on October 31, 2019, 01:52:10 PM
I see the price has gone up to $1300.  The swapped out the brake pads and tires every day for that event.  The tires run nearly $500 each retail.

We had a 4 cylinder CTS at the time which is how I got invited.  It was interesting moving from 260 hp to 640 hp.

They do a two day event in Vegas for somewhere around $2800, lodging and all food included.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 04, 2019, 05:53:49 PM
Race weekend was awesome.  I even enjoyed the Pink concert a lot more than I thought I would.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 04, 2019, 06:52:07 PM
Pink Floyd?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 05, 2019, 07:26:30 AM
Nope.  Are they even still around?

This Pink:

(https://www.usmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/pink-trapeze-16413b31-444e-47d3-84fe-4596e27b2560.jpg?w=660)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 05, 2019, 07:27:12 AM
And the Friday concert with Imagine Dragons was quite good.  Only sorry we couldn't get my 12yo daughter out there for it, that's her favorite band.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 05, 2019, 07:44:54 AM
I see women with PINK shirts and shorts on fairly often, I surmise that means the band?

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 05, 2019, 11:04:08 AM
ahh, a carnival act

So, does P.I.N.K. have a meaning?  Didn't see any pink color in the pic.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 05, 2019, 04:30:33 PM
I see women with PINK shirts and shorts on fairly often, I surmise that means the band?



You're asking the wrong guy. :)

ahh, a carnival act

So, does P.I.N.K. have a meaning?  Didn't see any pink color in the pic.

You're asking the wrong guy. :)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 05, 2019, 04:31:29 PM
All I can tell you, is that she can sing.  Really, really well.  And she sings pretty well even while on flying trapeze equipment.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on November 05, 2019, 08:18:54 PM
Is that a trapeze?

It looks like something that--in my ignorance of both--I would associate with S&M or B&D.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 06, 2019, 08:55:08 AM
Is that a trapeze?

It looks like something that--in my ignorance of both--I would associate with S&M or B&D.

Wait... wat??????

It's suspended over the stage and she climbs and swings on it and it moves up to maybe 70-90 feet above the stage.  She flips upside down, etc.  Pretty circusy to me.

She also has a harness with a 4-way cable system (like those cameras flying over the field at a football game) that she straps into and it takes her well off the stage, over the crowd, up to a couple hundred feet.  It was actually pretty cool because for those of us that stay way to the back in such crowd settings, she got pretty close, maybe 50 feet away.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 06, 2019, 10:50:40 AM
 When I was a kid, a singer would come out and just sing, nothing else.  Of course, we only had radio.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 06, 2019, 11:34:06 AM
Well, yeah.  A lot of things have changed since you were a kid.  And since I was a kid.

But using trapeze or cable systems on stage to fly out over the crowd isn't really something "new" unless you consider the early 1980s to be "new."  Rock band lead singers were doing it back then.  And perhaps before then, I couldn't tell you.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 06, 2019, 02:49:04 PM
The only concerts we go to are for old foggies like us, folks sit around in tuxes and play complex tunes with some dude waving a baton at them.

Nobody is on any trapeeze thingee.

I think I prefer the acoustics in Cincinnati to those in Atlanta.  Or maybe it's the orchestra or conductor, I'm not sure.  The wife wants the guy in Cincy to move here and take over, he's French also.  Nice guy.

They have some circ du solay thingee happening near us also, probably have trapeezes.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 06, 2019, 02:58:35 PM
What is the best hot dog going?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on November 06, 2019, 04:02:16 PM
What is the best hot dog going?

I'm afraid to jump in, as my tastes may be too "macro".  Any grilled hot dog works good.

How do I dress mine?

Generous mustard
Just enough chili to know it's there
A mountain of cheddar cheese.

Yeah I know.  That's the same as a Sonic cheese coney.  Except they drown the thing in chili and only a few cheddar shards.

I prefer B&M baked beans and tater tots to go with.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 06, 2019, 05:25:46 PM
I ain't no hot dog snob, I like all kinds.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 06, 2019, 05:53:45 PM
Oh and I'm not a big fan of baked beans, way too sweet for me.  Ranch style is my preference for pre-packaged cheapo beans.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on November 06, 2019, 08:20:14 PM
What is the best hot dog going?
Once upon a time, there was a hot dog shop called "Coney Island."  I have to believe that it was in New York City, but I don't know that to be the case.  I was started by a Greek immigrant.  They made small, short (ca. 5") hot dogs called "coneys."  The topping was yellow mustard, a mild chili, and onions.  The only extra was cheese.  They were cheap.  5 cents or so at the start, back around 1900.  He spelled "wieners" as "weiners" to avoid any trademark infringement.  Or maybe just because his English spelling was not so good.  The original guy licensed other Greek immigrants to start similar restaurants with the same name in other cities.

One of the licensees was a guy named Christos Economou, and he started a "Coney Island" in Tulsa in 1926.  It was successful.  It was an institution in downtown Tulsa by the 1940s.  When I first ate there around 1963, it was in a deep but narrow storefront.  It was old and dark and dingey.  The coneys were prepared behind a line of counters down the left side of the space and the customers ate in old-fashioned all-wood school desks down the right side.

By around 1970, there was still the original Coney Island, but there began popping up a sort of local franchise operation called "Coney I-lander."  All owned by the same Enonomou family as far as I know.  When Christos died, the business was split and one of his heirs got the original downtown store, and another (or others) got the Coney I-landers scattered around the Tulsa metro area.

So now, under the original "Coney Island" name, some are opening in the D-FW area.

I haven't eaten at any of the Texas locations, but the ones in Tulsa--"Island" and "I-landers"--are great places to go and get 3-4 coneys, or you can get tamales, or you can get Frito chile pie.

Nothing fancy.  No Polish dogs or Chicago dogs.  Just bun, wiener, mustard, chili, onions, and cheese.  I don't care for raw onions, so I get mine without them.

(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0e/fb/01/e0/yum-yum.jpg)

10-15 years ago, a guy in Norman wanted to start a Coney I-lander there.  But the Economou heirs supposedly didn't want to expand beyond their existing footprint, so they said no.  The guy in Norman reverse-engineered the product (the chili was the only hard part) and got it about 95% right in his place called "Top Dawg Coneys."  (Top Dawg was the mascot for the Sooners' basketball teams back then.)  This is why finding out about Coney Islands in D-FW was a big surprise to me.  Maybe the money was right this time around.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 07, 2019, 07:18:16 AM
Coneys are a staple at Cincinnati chili parlors.

They run about $1.79 each, but on occasion they have a sale for a buck.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 07, 2019, 08:37:41 AM
You can get hot dogs at a lot of restaurants, but I can't think of a single hot dog specific restaurant in Austin.  Not like places like Chicago where I saw restaurants specifically devoted to the "Red Hot."  

There are hot dog vending carts downtown and on 6th street at night, maybe that's the closest?  Houston has a chain of restaurants called "James Coney Island" that I've always assumed was a hot dog place, though I've never been to one.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on November 07, 2019, 09:14:00 AM
You can get hot dogs at a lot of restaurants, but I can't think of a single hot dog specific restaurant in Austin.

For some reason Texas is not so big on Hot Dog eateries, although yes there are a very few in some larger towns (wienerschnitzel?)

Up farther north Hot Dogs are much more of a thing.

But utee, do you remember Mad Dog & Beans?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 07, 2019, 11:10:13 AM
I do indeed remember Maddog and Beans.  But I don't recall a hot dog there, for me it was usually a burger.

And good point, I do think we have a der Weinerschnitzel in Austin once again (we had one when I was a kid and there was a kids-eating-area that was designed to look like a biplane, it was awesome!).  That place closed in the 80s but a new one has opened up at Burnet/Braker sometime in the 2000s.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on November 07, 2019, 07:25:52 PM
We had Der Wienerschnitzel (correct spelling--"wiener" comes from "Wien"--German for Vienna) restaurants in Tulsa back in the '70s.  I don't know when they went out of business.  The site closest to where I live now is a Whataburger that was closed for over two years due to tornado damage and only reopened last summer.

As far as the national Wienerschnitzel chain goes, they've dropped the "der" (I believe it was the wrong gender and should have been "das") and now they supposedly serve schnitzel--a breaded, fried veal cutlet.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 08, 2019, 08:41:35 AM
So I picked up my first winter seasonal, a 6-pack of Live Oak Primus which is a delicious (and strong) weizenbock.

At least 12 oz of it will be going into the chili I'm making today, as well. 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 08, 2019, 08:43:05 AM
Oh and it's finally cool enough in Austin to really enjoy some Oktoberfest, glad I stocked up back in August!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 08, 2019, 10:29:53 AM
What's up with this seltzer craze?  Well, I know, they ran out of other ideas.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 08, 2019, 10:59:48 AM
Just the latest iteration of wine coolers/Zima/hard ciders.  Basically they're alcoholic drinks for people that want to get drunk but don't like the flavors of any alcohols.  They're also lower in sugar and therefore lower in calories so the Mich Ultra crowd gravitates toward them as well.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: BrownCounty on November 08, 2019, 11:50:50 AM
Mich Ultra crowd

I am a full supporter of macro brew but Mich Ultra sucks to me.  Do I need to try it again?  So many friends seem to like it - I bought a sixer once and it had no taste to me.

And make no mistake, I can fully appreciate low-rent swill.  I down Coors original like water.

But Mich Ultra just seemed like a waste of time and taste buds.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 08, 2019, 01:28:47 PM
Took the wife for lunch to Sweetwater Brewery, solid beers and good food, nice day.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 08, 2019, 03:38:34 PM
I am a full supporter of macro brew but Mich Ultra sucks to me.  Do I need to try it again?  So many friends seem to like it - I bought a sixer once and it had no taste to me.

And make no mistake, I can fully appreciate low-rent swill.  I down Coors original like water.

But Mich Ultra just seemed like a waste of time and taste buds.

Mich Ultra has no flavor by design, because it's "beer" for people that don't actually like beer.  It's low carb for the keto crowd.

It's for people that don't like drinking, but want to be drunk.  

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 08, 2019, 03:41:25 PM
Man, how much Mic Ultra would it take to GET drunk?  I doubt I could do it.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 08, 2019, 05:27:01 PM
Man, how much Mic Ultra would it take to GET drunk?  I doubt I could do it.



ABV is 4.2% so the same as most other American light beers.  You can get drunk on those but you definitely have to work at it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 08, 2019, 05:45:00 PM
I will drink a bottle of wine tonight and not be a all drunk, though I would not drive.  The I often have something hard, like gin, over five hours, and with food.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 08, 2019, 08:29:14 PM
if I'm out to dinner and will drinking a bottle of wine with my meal, I usually start with a couple quick martinis to get things rolling
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 08, 2019, 10:06:28 PM
I like to have an aperitif of maybe Kir or a Pastis, then a bottle of wine with dinner, and then a digestif of Cognac or Armagnac.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 08, 2019, 10:10:44 PM
much too sophisticated for a dirt farmer 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 08, 2019, 10:50:21 PM
much too sophisticated for a dirt farmer
Bulljive, you like liquor that tastes good.  You'd dig it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on November 08, 2019, 11:27:30 PM
yup, a glass of scotch is usually my after dinner drink
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 09, 2019, 07:54:35 AM
I got somewhat of a liking for calvados after a heavy meal.  Or marc (which is pronounced "mar").

The French don't like "h" or consonants at the end of sentences.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on November 09, 2019, 11:06:07 AM
I got somewhat of a liking for calvados after a heavy meal.  Or marc (which is pronounced "mar").

The French don't like "h" or consonants at the end of sentences.
Do they "drop" the consonant, or do they re-jigger the sentence so there's no word at the end that has a terminal consonant?
I note that "r" is a consonant.  Does that one not count because it doesn't have a hard sound?
What's the rule on "s" at the end of a word?  Seems like those often/nearly always get dropped.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 09, 2019, 11:25:16 AM
A consonant at the end is only pronounced if the next word in sentence starts with a vowel.

Boulevard is pronounced roughly "boo-luh-var", no "d" sound at the end.

"Marc" is pronounced "Mar".  Calvados oddly enough is pronounced as it sounds, maybe because Normans aren't quite French enough.  Sometimes they call it simply "calva".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxpLQZdyYkk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxpLQZdyYkk)

We know two folks named Bernard and another Gerrard, and the d is not pronounced.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on November 09, 2019, 11:29:32 AM
Sounds like there's a swallowed vowel between the "l" and the "v" in "Calvados."
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 09, 2019, 11:51:01 AM
A consonant at the end is only pronounced if the next word in sentence starts with a vowel.

Boulevard is pronounced roughly "boo-luh-var", no "d" sound at the end.

"Marc" is pronounced "Mar".  Calvados oddly enough is pronounced as it sounds, maybe because Normans aren't quite French enough.  Sometimes they call it simply "calva".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxpLQZdyYkk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxpLQZdyYkk)

We know two folks named Bernard and another Gerrard, and the d is not pronounced.



Yup, my best buddy in Nantes-- our local field service engineer-- was named Bernard Jean.  No d at the end of Bernard, or rather, it was just totally swallowed.  it was "kind of there" but not really, if that makes sense?  I couldn't really pronounce it correctly so my best approximation was just "Bear - Nar."

He'd laugh and say "that's not my name" but he never understood that when he called me "Mar-KOOS-a" that it wasn't my name either, which is Marcus, pronounced as you'd expect it in English.  But the French are weird that way... :)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 09, 2019, 11:53:14 AM
Another strange phenomenon of pronunciation, this time in English, is-- why do many Brits, and even some New Englanders, add an "r" to the end of words that end in "a?"

For example: "Hey, I have an idear!"

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 09, 2019, 02:15:16 PM
I have no idear ...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on November 09, 2019, 05:39:51 PM
Another strange phenomenon of pronunciation, this time in English, is-- why do many Brits, and even some New Englanders, add an "r" to the end of words that end in "a?"

For example: "Hey, I have an idear!"
Maybe for the opposite reason that some Americans--Southerners, usually, drop the final "r" in words like "runner."  And sometimes also do the same thing you mentioned.  My 9th-grade Alabama history teacher said both "runnah" and "winder" (for "window").
Brits who speak Received Pronunciation wouldn't be adding an "r" to the end of words.  It would have to be someone with some non-standard accent.  People from Yorkshire or Cornwall, maybe.
The word to describe use of the "r" is "rhotic."  British Received Pronunciation is non-rhotic.  "Motha and fatha went fuhthah down the road."
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on November 09, 2019, 11:00:51 PM
Yeah, dropping the R is different than adding an R.

I have no idea why they do it, but one of my best friends of all time was a Brit who was one of my TAs when I was an engineering student at UT.  His undergrad was at Oxford but I don't remember where he was born.  He didn't do the "add an r" thing but he definitely noticed it and was as confounded as I.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on November 10, 2019, 07:45:47 AM
I read somewhere (and doubted it) that the British accent of our revolutionary period was very much like today's American accent, and their current accent came later.

Of course, one encounters all sorts of accents in Britain, but I mean the more typical "TV accent".  I've met a few Germans who I thought were Brits because their English was so good.  My step son speaks accentless American English and French which is impressive to me, both like a native.  The wife has a nice French accent.  It's interesting how good her English is until something gets technical, or financial, or medical, etc.  That makes sense, you wouldn't learn what "death benefit" means in French class, or Required Minimum Distribution.

I may be busy next week as the wife goes in for a "hip revision".  Interesting term, I've had to translate a lot of medical jargon for her of late.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on November 10, 2019, 07:43:46 PM
I read somewhere (and doubted it) that the British accent of our revolutionary period was very much like today's American accent, and their current accent came later.

Of course, one encounters all sorts of accents in Britain, but I mean the more typical "TV accent".  I've met a few Germans who I thought were Brits because their English was so good.  My step son speaks accentless American English and French which is impressive to me, both like a native.  The wife has a nice French accent.  It's interesting how good her English is until something gets technical, or financial, or medical, etc.  That makes sense, you wouldn't learn what "death benefit" means in French class, or Required Minimum Distribution.

I may be busy next week as the wife goes in for a "hip revision".  Interesting term, I've had to translate a lot of medical jargon for her of late.
British Received Pronunciation (traditional "BBC English") is a result of the Great Vowel Shift in the English language that began in the mid-14th century and ended in the early 18th century.  The earliest English settlers came to America in the middle of that, about the time of the death of Shakespeare.  And, generally, their speech did not continue shifting, so that by the time of the American Revolution, Americans spoke more like Shakespeare had than the average Englishman did.
Alvin York of WWI fame came from an isolated mountain community in Tennessee, and supposedly spoke something like Shakespearean English.
Here are a some videos on how Shakespearean English sounded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeW1eV7Oc5A&t=1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeW1eV7Oc5A&t=1s), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2QYGEwM1Sk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2QYGEwM1Sk), and this long piece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqmgeth4tFY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqmgeth4tFY).
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 19, 2020, 10:18:02 AM
In a recent report shared by the IWSR, figures reveal that Tito’s Handmade Vodka has overtaken Smirnoff as the best selling vodka brand in the U.S. Following volume growth of more than 20 percent in 2019, Tito’s is now also the best selling distilled spirit in the country.

Jack Daniel’s Tennessee Whiskey was the third best-selling spirit brand last year, followed by Fireball Whisky and Crown Royal. Vodka remains the largest spirit category by volume in the U.S., despite surging sales of hard seltzers.


Launched by Bert “Tito” Beveridge in 1995, the brand’s rise to the top of the spirits category has been remarkable — particularly within the last decade. According to Statista, Tito’s sold 1.2 million 9-liter cases in 2013. By 2018, that figure had risen to 7.4 million cases, or 66.6 million bottles. That’s more than one million per week.

Tito’s sales surge likely comes from its dual popularity among trade and consumers. In a recent Punch article, which polled American bartenders on their go-to well liquor brands, Tito’s emerged as the favorite in the vodka category. Bartenders pointed to “brand recognition” and “reliability of the liquid” as their main reasons for favoring the brand.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 19, 2020, 07:57:15 PM
Yup, good on Tito.  A really good guy who has earned his success.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2020, 02:35:10 PM
I was down in Florida where we had "free beer" at nightly events.  The usual choices included Mic Ultra and Bud Light.  I had been playing baseball all day, so this wasn't as awful as it might have been.  At one event later there was Modelo as an option and I ordered one, which to me is barely different from the former two options.

One event had another option and it was just as "bad".  They also had some wine and the last night when we had a banquet I resorted to their "house wine" at this country club, and it was quaffable (though not transcendent).  I have concluded that Americans in the main don't like beer, so they drink stuff labeled beer to "be cool" or something.

I brought on my own to the room some Sam Adams lager and the difference of course is astounding.  I guess it tastes too much like real beer???????

I also picked up some Sierra Nevada as I thought the wife would like it OK, but I much prefer Sam's.

The local Sweetwater 420 Pale Ale here is actually very decent for a lighter kind of beer, it actually has some flavor beyond carbonation.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on January 20, 2020, 03:06:20 PM
Sam Adams' Boston Lager is too hoppy for my taste.  I like the Boston Ale better.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 20, 2020, 03:10:17 PM
Agree but I haven't even seen the Boston Ale around here in several years.

I drink local breweries almost exclusively, no matter where I am.  Fortunately we have some excellent ones here in Central Texas, but these days I find that no matter where I travel, there's some local beer that's worthy of sampling.

Of course, I'm in the midst of my annual "Sober January" right now, so no beers to be quaffed for me, for a couple more weeks at least.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 20, 2020, 03:11:18 PM
As far as Mexican beers, Modelo isn't very good, but Negra Modelo is.

And Bohemia is actually a VERY good rendition of a typical European pilsner.



Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on January 20, 2020, 03:17:59 PM
Sam Adams' Boston Lager is too hoppy for my taste.  I like the Boston Ale better.
I do as well, but have not seen it in years.  SA makes all sorts of other renditions, but no ales.

I still like the lager about as well as anything.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on January 20, 2020, 03:49:46 PM
I guess I haven't had SA Boston Ale in several years either.  Maybe Sam doesn't brew that variety anymore.

My esposita picked up some Josephsbrau WinterBrew from Trader Joe's.  It's a double-bock lager.  Pretty good for the relatively cheap price, IMO.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on January 21, 2020, 12:04:29 AM
As far as Mexican beers, Modelo isn't very good, but Negra Modelo is.

And Bohemia is actually a VERY good rendition of a typical European pilsner.




Mexico has a beer thats not Corona

who'd a thought
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 21, 2020, 07:22:05 AM
Mexico has a beer thats not Corona

who'd a thought
Oh yeah, they have a bunch of national brands, their equivalents of our Bud-Miller-Coors. There's Dos Equis, Carta Blanca, Sol, Tecate.  None of those are particularly good, but I do like Pacifico Clara, although it's yet another macro, it's a pretty light pilsner/lager but still has good flavor, the perfect beer served ice cold after mowing the lawn in July heat.

And Mexico has a burgeoning craft brew industry as well, like most countries around the world.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 22, 2020, 10:44:04 AM
As far as Mexican beers, Modelo isn't very good, but Negra Modelo is.

And Bohemia is actually a VERY good rendition of a typical European pilsner.




agreed
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on January 26, 2020, 05:56:52 AM
I stopped drinking Corona because of this virus thing ...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 26, 2020, 09:21:45 AM
in ridiculously heavy doses, it's the antidote
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on January 26, 2020, 10:31:23 AM
I stopped drinking Corona because of this virus thing ...
Switching to Lone Star?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on January 30, 2020, 05:45:32 AM
I hear that attracts ticks, so no.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on January 30, 2020, 12:22:58 PM
I hear that attracts ticks, so no.
Probably the sort of ticks that carry Texas Fever.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 30, 2020, 12:55:51 PM
Lone Star is not a tasty beer.  It's also not owned by a Texas company nor is it brewed by a Texas company, so there you have it.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on January 30, 2020, 02:20:18 PM
I don't drink it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on January 30, 2020, 02:47:33 PM
Wise man.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on January 31, 2020, 02:14:01 AM
I had one once.  It was my lone sample, and not a star.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 02, 2020, 09:52:47 AM
Probably lots of beer will be consumed in the USA this afternoon/evening.  I'm still in the midst of Sober January (even though it's February) so I'll be enjoying some sparkling water during the festivities.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on February 02, 2020, 10:06:13 AM
did you get a late start last month?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 02, 2020, 02:09:33 PM
Probably lots of beer will be consumed in the USA this afternoon/evening.  I'm still in the midst of Sober January (even though it's February) so I'll be enjoying some sparkling water during the festivities.


Yeah, didn't start til the 6h and we were still on vacation until then.

Also, I'm probably taking this into March this year, to drop some lingering lbs that have been tough to shake, and get back to being skinny John Stamos rather than pudgy John Stamos... ;)

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on February 02, 2020, 02:50:35 PM
I'm not drinking any more ...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on February 02, 2020, 03:06:17 PM
I'm not drinking any less
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on February 02, 2020, 11:11:32 PM
I'm not drinking any less
:57:
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on February 03, 2020, 02:08:18 AM
I had zero alcohol yesterday.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 03, 2020, 07:45:39 AM
Same here. :)

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on February 03, 2020, 09:47:46 AM
I should have had a little less
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 10, 2020, 11:20:43 AM
No beer and no pizza make utee94 something something...

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on February 10, 2020, 12:41:26 PM
(https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fill,g_auto,h_1248,w_2220/f_auto,q_auto,w_1100/v1555926233/shape/mentalfloss/homershining_0.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 10, 2020, 12:56:11 PM
Don't mind if I do!!!!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on February 10, 2020, 02:41:37 PM
my favorite simpson line

Everytime I learn something new, something old gets pushed out.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on February 10, 2020, 04:33:56 PM
my favorite simpson line

Everytime I learn something new, something old gets pushed out.
 
Sorta like that time I went to a wine tasting class and forgot how to drive?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on February 10, 2020, 04:55:24 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/4pMX5rJ4PYAEM/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 20, 2020, 09:35:32 PM
10 Great “Intro to Craft” Beers for the Hop-Averse

https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/craft-beer/10-great-intro-to-craft-beers-for-the-hop-averse/ (https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/craft-beer/10-great-intro-to-craft-beers-for-the-hop-averse/)

I agree with this.  Some of my favorites

haven't tried #4. Allagash White

it's on my list
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 09:03:36 AM
12 Craft Beers That Taste Like … Beer!

https://www.craftbeer.com/craft-beer-muses/12-craft-beers-that-taste-like-beer (https://www.craftbeer.com/craft-beer-muses/12-craft-beers-that-taste-like-beer)

Never fear. Beer tasted like beer long before it tasted like a pastry, a latte, or a milkshake, and a new movement of crushable lagers is sweeping through the craft beer world, making beers that taste like beer cool again. Of course, if you ask the country’s craft brewers themselves, most of them will tell you it never stopped being cool, so shed your lager hang-ups and enjoy one of these beer-flavored craft beers!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 21, 2020, 10:23:40 AM
10 Great “Intro to Craft” Beers for the Hop-Averse

https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/craft-beer/10-great-intro-to-craft-beers-for-the-hop-averse/ (https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/craft-beer/10-great-intro-to-craft-beers-for-the-hop-averse/)

I agree with this.  Some of my favorites

haven't tried #4. Allagash White

it's on my list

Allagash White is tasty.  It's a Belgian-style witbier, like Hoegaarden or Celis White.  I'd put Celis well above it, since it's the best Belgian witbier on the planet, but Allagash has nothing to be ashamed of.  They do mostly Belgian styles and they're all quite good.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 21, 2020, 02:39:18 PM
good to know
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 25, 2020, 11:09:36 AM
My Month of Flagships: Yuengling Traditional Lager


https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/craft-beer/yuengling-lager-flagship-february/ (https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/craft-beer/yuengling-lager-flagship-february/)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 25, 2020, 02:15:44 PM
Do you guys find that the glass makes a large difference in the flavor?  I have four Riedel beer glasses I break out when I'm tasting more than drinking.

Of course, I'm a devotee of Riedel for wine as well.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 25, 2020, 02:38:02 PM
Beer always tastes better when consumed from a glass, and each beer style has a specific glass that works best.  The Belgians will not serve you a beer out of an improper glass that doesn't match the style.  Since every Belgian brewery releases its own glassware per specific style, it makes it pretty simple over there, but not so simple elsewhere.

The shaker pint glass is actually considered to be the worst one, the wide open top allows too much of the nose of the beer to escape, and like wine, the smell is very important to the flavor.  The relatively straight sides also allow too much of the carbonation to disappear too quickly.

Anyway, the tl;dr version is Yes.  Beer glass makes beer taste better, and the proper glass even more so.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 25, 2020, 04:05:10 PM
makes a large difference as opposed to drinking from the can

as far as the different shapes of glasses, it's much more subtle - for me
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on March 25, 2020, 04:53:21 PM
From the distilled spirits world, there's a reason why all the glasses look the way they do (mostly).

Sometimes it's stemmed to keep your hands from making the liquid warm. Sometimes, it's cupped because your hands SHOULD warm it. The tops are curved or concave to capture or expand the nose.

Champagne glasses are made special to distribute the carbonation - either flat and broad for one type or tall and slim for others.

Since beer is still alive when you drink it, I'd guess that the better beers are also enhanced by proper selection of servingware.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 25, 2020, 06:21:44 PM
I used to do a wine tasting with 3-4 kinds of wines and 4 different kinds of glasses.  Folks would be astonished, all of them, at the difference, and it's more than just shape.

Those cheap Libby wine glasses are pretty awful.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 25, 2020, 07:06:00 PM
I used to do a wine tasting with 3-4 kinds of wines and 4 different kinds of glasses.  Folks would be astonished, all of them, at the difference, and it's more than just shape.

Those cheap Libby wine glasses are pretty awful.
Yup, beer is just like wine, the glass makes a big difference.

It's also about mouthfeel.  I like the thin edge of a Riedel glass against my lips, over a thick, chunky cheapo glass.  It feels better on the mouth, and in the hand.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 26, 2020, 11:34:31 AM
The other feature in Riedel is the microscopic roughness of the glass surface which hold a thing film of beverage to enhance the aroma, or as the French say "Boukay".

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 26, 2020, 01:25:27 PM
An amazing test is to get a bottle of pinot noir and another of cab/merlot, and taste each of them in a pinot glass and then a cab glass.  The glass changes each of them rather markedly.  The pinot glass has a more open design and places the wine on the correct part of your pallet.  I think it's silly to drink a $20 plus pinot from the wrong kind of glass.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ds9eyJt.png)(https://i.imgur.com/STSSYYA.png)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 26, 2020, 03:01:12 PM
the wrong glass is still much better than drinking from the bottle
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2020, 03:36:07 PM
the wrong glass is still much better than drinking from the bottle
Yup.  Or can.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 26, 2020, 03:54:56 PM
I was referring to wine, I suppose someone has wine in the can

apparently, light doesn't bother wine as much as beer?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 26, 2020, 04:37:06 PM
There are cans of wine these days, one brand is not nearly as awful as I expected.

Undereood makes a fairly decent pinot noir in a can.  I didn't like their pinot gris at all.

We went for a long walk in the park into a part we had not explored before and found Orpheus brewing just off the park up a hill and dutifully got a couple cans of pilsner and sat on their deck to quaff same.  It was "OK".

https://www.orpheusbrewing.com/contact/ (https://www.orpheusbrewing.com/contact/)

The view from the deck was nice, and the day here is fantastic, so it was good.  We were the only folks on the deck at the time.

(https://i.imgur.com/Wf4H30P.png)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2020, 06:24:40 PM
Lighstrike can definitely affect wine.  The recent trend toward clear bottles, especially for rose' wines, is not a good one.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 26, 2020, 06:44:16 PM
Heat is the major problem with wine.  And probably beer as well.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 26, 2020, 06:50:05 PM
so, perhaps wine and beer will be more common in cans

blinded by science
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2020, 06:55:24 PM
Light seems to be worse for beer than heat, although neither is particularly good.  

Cans are superior packaging vessels for either.  They're impervious to light, and they're also superior to cork or bottlecaps, for preventing the entrance of air into the container.

But opening a 750ml can of Bordeaux definitely doesn't sound all that appealing to me, gotta admit.


Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 26, 2020, 10:15:20 PM
cans need better marketing
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 26, 2020, 11:50:09 PM
cans need better marketing
The word is definitely out among the craft brew crowd.  Cans are the standard at this point, bottles more rare by the month.

But for wine?  Not sure we'll ever see it really catch on.  The bottle is pretty tied into the culture.

Mis en bouteille au chateau just has a beautiful ring to it...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 06:22:54 AM
The wine in a can is mostly used for picnics and outings of that ilk.  The other advantage is they are 350 mL, so half a bottle.  I don't see anything wrong with it, but I prefer the Stelvin closures (screwcaps) in any wine not meant for some aging.  I despise synthetic corks, and even the composites are problematic at times because I use an "ah so" cork remover.

Incidentally, Kirkland has a "box wine" Napa cab for $13 for 3 L that is entirely palatable.  They have an Oakville Napa cab for $20 that is excellent.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 27, 2020, 08:59:56 AM
That Costco box cab is tasty, I agree.  But box wines make it difficult to gauge consumption.  I had to stop buying them...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
The wine in a can is mostly used for picnics and outings of that ilk.  The other advantage is they are 350 mL, so half a bottle.  I don't see anything wrong with it, but I prefer the Stelvin closures (screwcaps) in any wine not meant for some aging.  I despise synthetic corks, and even the composites are problematic at times because I use an "ah so" cork remover.

Incidentally, Kirkland has a "box wine" Napa cab for $13 for 3 L that is entirely palatable.  They have an Oakville Napa cab for $20 that is excellent.
do you drink older aged wines often? or just don't want to mess with multiple gadgets?
I have a Rabbit that someone gave to me as a gift
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 09:32:56 AM
That Costco box cab is tasty, I agree.  But box wines make it difficult to gauge consumption.  I had to stop buying them...
boxes also block light!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 27, 2020, 02:07:58 PM
Indeed they do.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 27, 2020, 04:54:52 PM
I probably have a wine with some age on it every couple of weeks or so.  I don't have as many friends over now as I did in Cincy.  I still have a fair bit of "aging wine" in the inventory stashed here and there.  In a condo it starts to be a bit of a challenge.  I had a corner wine rack in the house that held 180 bottles.

The ah so works well for me usually.  It takes a deft bit of wrist rocking to get the prongs seated.  The box wine also keep air out.  Oxygen is bad for wine unless in teensy amounts.  The flavinoids that tend to make wine taste astringent (folks often call it "dry" incorrectly) will slowly polymerize with a bit of oxygen around and you no longer taste it, so the wine smooths out.  This is why you might swirl wine in your glass if it is "tight", or use a decanter.  

I'm not convinced the aerators work, they should work, but my experience with them has been meh.

This is an ah so if any is wondering, it's worth getting a more expensive one I findL

(https://i.imgur.com/3znTrIF.png)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 08:54:27 PM
I guess mine is a knock off called houdini

obviously could cause problems with aged corks

bottles don't collect here for extended periods

(https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_153e8f60-08f0-482e-84de-961343c61b29?fmt=webp&wid=1400&qlt=80)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 27, 2020, 08:56:57 PM
Budweiser Nitro Reserve Gold
tried my first glass tonight - not bad - was hoping for better - it's smooth

pairs remarkably well with Schmidt's German Beer Summer Sausage and Lay's Chile Limon chips
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 09:04:51 AM
When I was doing wine classes, I'd be serving 6-12 bottles per class.  Folks were amazing how fast I could pull the cork (usually, on occasion one would be problematic).

I was musing about being in college and a bar near campus had "Dark Schlitz", which I liked, and considered "elite" beer, or something.  It was unusual.  We didn't have much else, Coors was ultra rare and a major treat even though I thought it tasted like water.

Stroh was a beer that came about when I was in school that was weird, said to be "Fire Brewed".  The cheap beers came out during that time also, Red White and Blue was the cheap version of PBR, Busch of course, Milwaukee's Best was a beer - Miller?  What were the other beers out in the 1970s?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 10:19:51 AM
well, this was the early 80's but next to the red, white, & blue beer was "generic" Beer

Strohs fire brewed replaced Schlitz at the Miles Inn Tavern with the frosted schooners

Falstaff and Hamms were popular beers in the region in the 60's and 70's
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 10:24:39 AM
yup, remember the Coors phenom back in the day - of course the Colorado state line wasn't far before the national 55mph speed limit

the other rare beer that made it to Iowa was Olympia

My grandmother made me one of these..................


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fe/c9/38/fec93858cc3871c50ad7ff2c4e26bff6.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 11:06:03 AM
When I got to Cincy, they had these Schoenling's Little Kings.  They also 3.2 beer, swill they served at pizza joints etc. because they were not allowed to serve real beer (meaning Bud).  Ohio is weird.

My first full day in Chapel Hill we had to take tests all day and I finished and went downtown to a bar and asked for a gin and tonic, the buy told me they didn't serve mixed drinks.  Coming from Athens, that was shall we say a surprise.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on March 28, 2020, 11:27:36 AM
I remember "Dark Schlitz."  I thought it was better than the regular stuff.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 11:35:49 AM
Little kings and dark Schlitz were better than others

also had the Mickey's mean green malt - in big mouth like Schmidt


(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/222975386497_/Vintage-Schmidt-Heileman-Beer-%C2%A0barrel-bottle-with-cap.jpg)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 28, 2020, 11:44:31 AM
Lots of memories from college drinking Mickey's Big Mouth.  Well, partial, fuzzy memories, anyway.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 11:47:09 AM
we used to play "quarters" with the Mean Green

the game usually didn't last long
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 01:59:29 PM
There was a bar in Athens called the B&L Warehouse, because that's what it was.  It had two stages at each end and one band would set up whilst another was playing.  They had two long bars down the other two sides, and just some rickety chairs and a few tables in the middle.  Tuesday night was quarter beer night.  I remember some of the bands they had were pretty good, I don't know if I ever heard WSP or REM or the B52s though.

I lived in an off campus dorm that would have "keggers" every so often, all the beer you could drink if you had the ID showing you were a resident.  I was underage at first.  I got fairly sloshed one night as I recall and ended up passed out in some gals' room.  I woke up the next morning, she was asleep, I was on the floor, nothing happened, so I went down to my room to try and recover.

The cafeteria ladies would see me walking in and they'd start my breakfast every morning, 4 eggs over light with grits and toast, it would about be ready by the time I got OJ and coffee.  They were nice ladies.

College life was pretty insane now that I look back on it.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 02:16:02 PM
we had quarter 10 oz glasses of PBR in the small town bar during happy hour

that way the keg wouldn't go as stale.  at the end of the keg I'd use a salt shaker to add a little head

Keggers while I was at UNL were $2 per plastic cup, free refills.

that's when I learned to drink beer, never liked it much before then.  Drank canadian whiskey and bourbon in high school
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 03:24:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/S9GT8u5.jpg)

This is the IPA my neighbor game me.  It's pretty decent I think, and not crazy on the hops despite the name.  Catawba, NC.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 28, 2020, 04:01:46 PM
IBU 26

I could drink that
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 28, 2020, 07:44:28 PM
The wife does not like bitter beer at all, and she liked this one.  I think it had decent balance.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 29, 2020, 12:55:45 PM
filled 3 growlers last night

2 with Boulevard Tank #7 - 8.5 ABV and 38 IBU

1 with Gable MUNICH HELLES - 5.0 ABV and 22 IBU

one of the #7s is empty
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on March 30, 2020, 01:32:08 PM
we had quarter 10 oz glasses of PBR in the small town bar during happy hour

that way the keg wouldn't go as stale.  at the end of the keg I'd use a salt shaker to add a little head

Keggers while I was at UNL were $2 per plastic cup, free refills.

that's when I learned to drink beer, never liked it much before then.  Drank canadian whiskey and bourbon in high school
Was Nebraska "UNL" before you guys moved to the B1G?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on March 30, 2020, 01:44:08 PM
[img width=463.991 height=500]https://i.imgur.com/S9GT8u5.jpg[/img]

This is the IPA my neighbor game me.  It's pretty decent I think, and not crazy on the hops despite the name.  Catawba, NC.
Is there a connection between Catawba and a dragon?
If Catawba were 150 miles ESE, I'd guess that it might have something to do with Fort Bragg, home of XVIII Airborne Corps.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/US_Army_18th_Airborne_Corps_CSIB.png)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 02:46:41 PM
The town is probably named after the eponymous grape.  Well, no it's named after a group of Indians who lived there once I see.

The dragon is a takeoff on the Loch Ness Monster.  You can read their humorous blurb below from the back label if you enlarge this.


(https://i.imgur.com/zLQhI2D.png)

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2020, 03:19:26 PM
Was Nebraska "UNL" before you guys moved to the B1G?
yes, because there's UNO
university of Nebraska - Omaha

and UNK - Kearney
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 03:22:21 PM
UNC is like that, there is a UNCC, UNCW, UNCG, but UNC is rarely UNC-CH, I see it at times.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2020, 03:57:18 PM
it's why the U of T - Austin is just that

not UTA

because there's a U of Texas - Arlington
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: longhorn320 on March 30, 2020, 04:08:38 PM
when a Texan says UT they know which one youre talking about

the other is just for non Texans
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 30, 2020, 04:13:51 PM
Tennessee?  They have a kind of similar ugly orange color.  I hate orange.  Teams I despise with orange:

Tennessee
Florida
Auburn
Georgia Tech (they can't even get orange right)
Eastern Michigan
Clempsum

Texas is actually OK even though they usually beat us.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on March 30, 2020, 09:42:12 PM
I guess you understand you are on the Big 12 board
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 31, 2020, 08:44:27 AM
I guess you understand you are on the Big 12 board
When did that happen?
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on March 31, 2020, 09:25:29 AM
B12 B12 B12!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on March 31, 2020, 11:26:59 AM
Anyway, that beer is in Kroger here for $9/6, so it is somewhat distributed at least.  The profusion of beer types today is quite something.  I still just pick up Sam Adams if I feel like some beer.  The wife likes Classic City beer, which is about negative IBU but not bad at all (when it's cold).

(https://i.imgur.com/lthaWhq.png)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 17, 2020, 11:36:21 AM
This thread just needs some kind of update, sitting here sad and lonely for over 2 weeks.  So here is a picture of a delicious pilsner, of which I will be having several as soon as it hits 5:00.  And on a Friday during COVID quarantine, 5:00 actually means 2:00.  Or maybe 12:00...
(https://www.porchdrinking.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/LiveOakPilz.jpg)

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 18, 2020, 08:34:54 AM
I snuck out of the office at 2:30 Friday and started on this well known lager

(https://images.freshop.com/00018200000164/8f07d85749f6a484ab35e30352df1432_large.png)

the event I'm attending today will be providing these little 12ozers for a buck a peice!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 20, 2020, 07:43:32 PM
https://www.craftbeer.com/craft-beer-muses/dont-drink-another-beer-before-reading-this (https://www.craftbeer.com/craft-beer-muses/dont-drink-another-beer-before-reading-this)

Every year. Every damn year I have to work the same handful of beer festivals, slinging sample-sized portions of beers I don’t even know how to categorize anymore. By the end of the day, I am left with a thought: I think we forgot how to drink craft beer.

I’ve got a beer in front of me as I write this. It’s Stone IPA, my go-to. Go grab yourself a beer you find yourself going back to again and again. It’s a rare thing these days, but apparently, so is this experience–drinking with intent.

My name is Simon Nielsen. I’m head brewer at Central Waters Brewing Company in Amherst, Wisconsin. If you could share one thing about yourself with me, what would it be? Mine: connecting with others and using beer as the vehicle to do so was the main reason I was drawn to craft beer to begin with. There are plenty of beers for people who want to drink beer alone. But I want to talk about creating connection.

You know the first thing that tells me a person knows how to drink beer? They look at it!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 22, 2020, 01:40:19 PM
Meh.  Drink what you like on two occasions.  When you're alone, and when you're with someone.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 22, 2020, 03:58:49 PM
Meh.  Drink what you like on two occasions.  When you're alone, and when you're with someone.
Don't mind if I do!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2020, 07:08:40 AM
I look askance when "experts" tell me what to enjoy and how to enjoy it.  I like advice, that's how I learn, but not some snooty "command" ...

And nearly all real experts are good at saying "I find what works well for me is ...", or here is something to try.  For example, most of us have a dominant nostril.  You can determine this easily enough by closing off one and smelling something like wine that has smell and trying the other.  Then in future you can small wine by tilting your head and using that better nostril.  Or, not.  You can pour it and drink it without smelling it if you wish.  

As opposed to "This is how you should drink whatever ...".

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2020, 09:16:18 AM
Yeah folks all have their own opinions.  Some of those "experts" will even tell you that you should be using brandy-based orange liqueur in your margaritas! 

:)
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on April 23, 2020, 09:48:34 AM
some experts think the shape and material of the container you drink from is better or not as better
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on April 23, 2020, 09:57:39 AM
Indeed some do.

As always though, you should drink what you like, how you like!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on April 23, 2020, 11:53:17 AM
I've had experts show me how to taste wine critically. They provided some words to describe different parts of the wine experience. How does it smell initially? How does it feel on the tongue? On the front? As you swallow it? Afterwards? Each of these (and more) contributes to your enjoyment (or lack thereof) of contacting wine.

Getting the words involved, and knowing where and how to sense them, helps me describe what I like or don't like. Certain regions, manufacturing processes, and drinking techniques tend to favor different parts of the experience. That's helpful in examining what might be a good experience before purchasing and opening one of the infinite offerings available.

That's not to say I always pick a bottle that optimizes the likelihood of enjoyment. Availability, price point, intent, and frankly my mood at the time are much more likely to determine my selection. 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2020, 01:13:49 PM
When I was teaching wine classes, I would describe the "perfect wine" as one that cannot be described.  It is just good.  I'm sure the pros can break it down, but to the rest of us, it is a wine with great BALANCE such that no one feature dominates the experience.

I've been through those tasting classes and for me they were a waste of time beyond understanding how they go about it.  I think it detracts from enjoyment to approach wine that way UNLESS you are trying to write about it or rate it (which I also hate).

Now there is something to understanding whether you like high levels of tannins or a more fruit forward wine or oak and butter, whatever, but I personally don't get in the weeds with descriptors.  The wife prefers "smooth" (low tannin) wines but I find I can give her a Big Boy with some age on it and she likes it a lot even if the tannins are pretty strong, and she can dislike a low tannin wine if it is flabby and morose.

Oddly enough she tends to prefer American wines except for Champagne.

Drink what you like how you like and when you like and to hell with experts.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on April 23, 2020, 01:26:11 PM
That was, more or less, my point and I forgot to include it. =)

The experience was valuable because now I can discuss what I like and don't like using words that wine enthusiasts might understand. I can read a bottle and get a vague feel for what might be inside.

Ultimately, though, I'm going to open a bottle, drink the contents (I know what I wrote!), and want it to be enjoyable in the moment. I'm not going to spend time breathing it, sipping it, swishing it, gargling it, and rolling it. I'm going to drink the stuff.

It's meant to be enjoyed, not analyzed.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on April 23, 2020, 01:36:23 PM
I used to never buy anything I had not tasted first, but since moving that changed.  And Costco has such crazy wine prices I take a shot on something and it usually is quite good and I go back and get more.

We rewatched the movie "Somm" the other night.  It almost put me to sleep, ha.

The Kirkland brand wines are in my experience about 90% great values.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 15, 2020, 03:15:11 PM
I like beer.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 15, 2020, 03:40:51 PM
It makes me a jolly good fellow!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on June 15, 2020, 08:08:16 PM
It helps me unwind.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 15, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
and sometimes it makes me feel mellow
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on June 15, 2020, 09:52:19 PM
Whiskey's too much rough.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 15, 2020, 10:01:40 PM
Champagne costs too much
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on June 15, 2020, 10:11:09 PM
Tito's puts my mouth in gear.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 15, 2020, 10:17:18 PM
This little refrain should help me explain as a matter of fact I like beer…
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: CWSooner on June 16, 2020, 12:04:08 AM
Line-hog!
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on June 16, 2020, 10:02:41 AM
Champagne costs too much
The real stuff does.  Kirkland has a real Champagne for $20.  It's meh.  The better values I find are Cremants from Burgundy or Alsace.  They are usually made the same was from the same grapes but from a different region.  Cavas can be quite good also for $10-15 (Spain).  The wife loves Kirkland Prosecco, which I quaff with her at times.

I picked up a 12 pack of Sweetwater 420 because it is nearly summer and the wife likes low hop lighter beers and this one I can drink.

It is a bit chilly here this AM, was 58°F when I woke up.  Nice to have the place open to the elements.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on June 16, 2020, 12:54:28 PM
There are some cavas and proseccos that I like.  
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: MrNubbz on June 16, 2020, 05:12:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/iDcUC0x.png)

She's sipping vermouth and she thinks I'm uncouth
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on June 16, 2020, 05:15:38 PM
she might be correct in this case
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 01, 2020, 02:48:47 PM
I'm not a fan of vermouth.  I drink martinis desert-dry.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 01, 2020, 03:54:38 PM
Yeah, I never understood the addition of vermouth.  Tonic water works for me, or nothing at all.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on July 01, 2020, 04:34:01 PM
Wife likes Manhattans. I usually have some sweeter vermouth around.

Since it's hot and I'm not on a boat where I should be, I made gullywash (https://www.uncommoncaribbean.com/grand-bahama-island/gully-wash/) this weekend. I make it with Beefeater gin (the only gin I really use - otherwise what's the point?), at just about a 50/50 mix.

Now, if I could find conch meat in Waco...
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 01, 2020, 04:44:53 PM
My fav is Tangueray Ten, but I make do with the regular stuff usually.

I find the Ten evaporates when I get it home.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on July 01, 2020, 05:16:11 PM
My fav is Tangueray Ten, but I make do with the regular stuff usually.

I find the Ten evaporates when I get it home.

I actually really don't care  for gin. If I'm using it, it's because I've got to have the juniper hit. London gin is very "juniper forward".
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: utee94 on July 01, 2020, 05:18:39 PM
Bombay Sapphire for me thank you very much.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 03, 2020, 09:54:21 PM
that's my go to

Roku Japanese gin is very good imo
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 04, 2020, 08:20:05 AM
My fav mixed drink is a simple G&T with lime.  I don't find the expensive tonic water to be worth it, but I think my taste buds are not very discerning.

The Ten has a heavy botanical influence that I like neat and cold.

I find I enjoy just about any craft beer that is not flavored.  The flavored stuff loses me, but I like flavored vodka.
  

Ha.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 04, 2020, 09:22:27 PM
Hendrick's gin has some botanical flavor

I prefer bombay and roku
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 05, 2020, 07:59:48 AM
I tried the major gins one after the other, never tried Roku, will do it.

I ran through many of the bourbons, still settled on Woodford.  The vodka thing I did switch to Tito's though I keep some Grey Goose around if the wife decides she wants some.  She is prejudiced.

Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 06, 2020, 12:03:59 PM
have her try Ketel One

it's European and MUCH better than Goose 
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 06, 2020, 12:24:40 PM
She's French.  Ketel One isn't.

I don't have the best taste buds in the world, but I once did a blind taste of cold vodkas neat and GG was my favorite, KOne was last in the group.

Chopin was second.  Of course I was drunk by the time I finished the 17th vodka.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: FearlessF on July 06, 2020, 04:29:40 PM
personal preference

I prefer Tito's to GG

haven't found one I like better than Ketel

obviously, we are both correct
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Cincydawg on July 06, 2020, 04:44:02 PM
Yup, for the money, Tito's is the best IMHO.  I am very happy with it especially with TW or whatever.

I bought a bottle of Hennessey XO Cognac in France (not that it's any different there) and that's a bit of a special occasion after dinner item.

That is probably the smoothest distilled item I've ever had, can't think of anything close.
Title: Re: Beer
Post by: Mr Tulip on July 06, 2020, 05:53:17 PM
Vodka's job is to add warmth to the drink. It really isn't supposed to have much of a "taste" at all. Tito's has always been really good at just getting out of the way.

Hennessy cognac is something I like to use to demonstrate glassware and environment. That is, if you pour Hennessy into a shot glass and swallow it, it hurts! It's a cold bite of ethyl alcohol that just really isn't that pleasant!
If you put that same shot into a snifter and let your hand warm it for about 5 minutes, then sip, you get all the happy esters in your nose from the bulb glass. The warm liquid becomes almost candy type smooth with none of the brutal bite the shot had.

It's also why it's a crime to drink it outta the bottle! If you're just looking to consume booze, by all means be my guest! I do it too on occasion. Just don't waste the fine craft built into the cognac to do it.