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Re: Beer
« Reply #420 on: July 13, 2022, 11:29:00 PM »
see, I prefer the lager

but, us Bud Men prefer lagers to ales, for the most part
I have nothing against lagers.
But Sam's lager is hoppier than I like it.
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« Reply #421 on: July 14, 2022, 09:18:57 AM »
I have nothing against lagers.
But Sam's lager is hoppier than I like it.
Yup.  They were doing that long before the recent trend of breweries attempting to make "India Pale Lagers."  Blech.

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« Reply #422 on: July 14, 2022, 09:21:56 AM »
I can enjoy most beers as long as the International Bitterness Units are 30 or less

leaves out most IPAs
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« Reply #423 on: July 14, 2022, 09:28:50 AM »
I can enjoy most beers as long as the International Bitterness Units are 30 or less

leaves out most IPAs

If a beer is balanced between hop and malt character, the IBU can be above 30 and it still tastes good.  Live Oak Pilz, for example, is a classic Cech pilz that I don't think many folks would describe as being overly hoppy, and yet it rates a 36 IBU.  It's just that it ALSO has a really strong malt backbone to balance and carry those flavors forward.

Brutally over-hopped IPAs, on the other hand, have no balance.  No nuance.  No subtlety or finesse.  Just tongue-blistering hops.  

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« Reply #424 on: July 14, 2022, 09:36:33 AM »
you are correct - I really like the Live Oak Pilz


and I've enjoyed some others over the 30 IBU, but they are rare


so, when perusing the menu at a local brewery I start with the selections at 30 IBU or less


in the spring/summer there are fewer bocks, marzens on the menu and I try more things


my daughter is a fan of the sours, I've found one or two that I can almost enjoy
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« Reply #425 on: July 14, 2022, 09:55:11 AM »
you are correct - I really like the Live Oak Pilz


and I've enjoyed some others over the 30 IBU, but they are rare


so, when perusing the menu at a local brewery I start with the selections at 30 IBU or less


in the spring/summer there are fewer bocks, marzens on the menu and I try more things


my daughter is a fan of the sours, I've found one or two that I can almost enjoy

In Belgium, where sours were pretty much invented, nobody drinks more than one or two sours at a time. Only Americans who seem to believe that "nothing exceeds like excess" would ever think of drinking more than that.  Much like the way IPAs became the driving force in American craft beer-- for some reason our national psyche just doesn't take well to subtlety and nuance.

Despite all the wild ales and sours and lambics and other oddball styles Belgium makes, the majority of beer consumed there, is still pilsner/light lager.  Large national brands Maes, Jupiler, and Stella carry the most volume.

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Re: Beer
« Reply #426 on: July 14, 2022, 10:01:52 AM »
My "motto" I use to describe American stuff is:

"If some is good, more is better."


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« Reply #427 on: July 14, 2022, 10:20:38 PM »
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#5 & #13 are in Sewer City, both solid, 

I need to try more
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« Reply #428 on: July 15, 2022, 06:03:42 AM »
I find more difference between types in one brewery than between breweries.  A lot more.  They all seem to make some good beers, the ones I've tried.  There are four in walking distance, fairly long walks in two cases.

I don't know about walking home.


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« Reply #429 on: July 15, 2022, 09:39:42 AM »
stay away from the 10% ers
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Re: Beer
« Reply #430 on: July 15, 2022, 09:40:41 AM »
I like both ales and lagers in general.

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« Reply #431 on: July 15, 2022, 10:53:54 AM »
Yup same here.

Belgian ales and English ales and German ales are my favorites.  As discussed before, too many American ales are based on the west coast IPA tendency to brutally over-hop the heck out of everything.


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Re: Beer
« Reply #432 on: July 15, 2022, 11:45:26 AM »
This happened in wine with zinfandel and chardonnay in particular, but really with every varietal in the US.


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« Reply #433 on: July 15, 2022, 11:58:17 AM »
IPA stands for "India Pale Ale." These were beers that were crafted in England, and shipped from England to India, during the Occupation.

Hops are a preservative, and the flavor diminishes over time.  Excessive hops were added to IPAs in order to preserve them during this long transcontinental journey, and when the beer reached its final destination, the bitter hop character would diminish and mellow, resulting in a pleasant drinking experience similar to what you'd have in the home country of England, from a beer that was freshly brewed and had far less bitter hops added because it didn't have to make the trek to India.

I've enjoyed many English IPAs over the years-- after they've been properly aged and rested, as they would have if they'd been shipped to India.

But Americans, being who and what we are, decided we needed to brew these beers with excessive hops, and then drink them immediately.  The resulting bitterness was never intended for consumption, but of course Americans did American things, and here we are.  For almost two decades, it completely ruined the American craft beer palate, and we're only in recent years emerging from that and finding breweries willing to brew better nuanced and more flavorful beers, instead of the standard too-bitter over-hopped American IPAs.  But even so, the West Coast IPA still dominates the American craft beer market.

 

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