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Cincydawg

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Re: Beer
« Reply #630 on: May 15, 2023, 06:10:11 PM »

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Re: Beer
« Reply #631 on: May 15, 2023, 06:39:11 PM »
I like ales and lagers.

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« Reply #632 on: May 15, 2023, 06:52:38 PM »
I like Lagers and ales

I really like Oktoberfests, Dunkels, and Bocks

and Yuengling
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Re: Beer
« Reply #633 on: May 15, 2023, 07:10:56 PM »
Per the chart, lagers are both crisper and smoother than ales. That seems to be a contradiction.

Anyone care to explain if or why I'm wrong about that?

Also, the chart seems to imply that only ales use hops. That can't be right.

I have thought that IPAs were hoppier than mere pale ales, which are already too hoppy for me. But I seem to have been wrong about that difference.

As for "Like Heineken?" Blech!!! Stop right there.

Yeah, I know about the green bottles. Who forces Heineken to use 'em?
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Re: Beer
« Reply #634 on: May 15, 2023, 07:24:41 PM »
A question comes to my mind. Is there a connection between not liking highly hopped beer and not liking licorice?

I find this in Google.

NOBLE HOPS


Noble hops are mainly hops cultivated in Europe, namely Germany and Czech. This variety of hops is what most breweries use. It offers a good balance of beta and alpha acids, making the beer more flavorful.

Other than their acids, noble hops are also a good source of humulene. This aromatic essential oil will make your beer more fragrant. It offers a blend of licorice, earthy, and floral twist to your drink.

This hop variety is perfect for an aromatic blend with lower bitterness.
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Re: Beer
« Reply #635 on: May 15, 2023, 07:31:58 PM »
Lagers are "crisper" than ales, in that they have cleaner flavors that tend to be less "muddied."  I don't know about "smooth"-- that can be a characteristic of any beer.

All beer has hops.  India Pale Ales tend to use a dry-hopping technique where additional hops are added late in the process which intensifies their flavor in the beer.  You're not wrong that IPAs tend to be hoppier than all other ales, even pale ales.  IPA stands for "India Pale Ale" and they always had additional hops to act as a preservative for the long journey from Britain to India.  By the time the beer arrived, the hoppiness should have faded and the beer should have a more normal profile.  IPAs were never intended to be consumed "fresh" and it's just an artifact of some stupid Americans that decided they wanted to blast their tongues with extreme bitterness, that this ever became a thing.  

I have no idea why Heineken chooses to use the green bottles.  On draft it's not bad but it's also not something I ever crave.


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« Reply #636 on: May 15, 2023, 07:35:23 PM »
Noble hops are great, that's what gives European beers their flavor profile.  I also like the Saaz hops that you commonly find in Czech beers.

I tend to dislike the more bitter hops that are prevalent in American brewing, the so-called "C-hops" so named, because they all start with the letter "C."

Cascade, Centennial, Chinook, Citra, and Columbus.

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« Reply #637 on: May 15, 2023, 07:45:11 PM »
I prefer a Heineken (even in a green bottle), over the tastelessness of a coors light or miller lite
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Re: Beer
« Reply #638 on: May 15, 2023, 08:13:33 PM »
Skunk.  Ewww.

If you want a really good pilsner, and you can't get Live Oak Pilz, I always recommend Bohemia.  It's a really good Mexican version of a Czech pilsner.

And it's not just "good for a Mexican beer"-- it's legitimately tasty by any standard.

Also, it comes in a brown bottle.  Smart hombres.

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« Reply #639 on: May 15, 2023, 08:38:46 PM »
I prefer a Heineken (even in a green bottle), over the tastelessness of a coors light or miller lite
To me, Miller Lite, going on 50 years ago anyway, had an "off" taste to it. It was not tasteless.
The Silver Bullet, yeah, tasteless. Even the advertising implies that it doesn't any of that "beer" taste to it. It's the beer for people who don't like the taste of beer. Like me at age 17, but Coors Light wasn't a thing yet. Heck, Coors was still just being regionally distributed, and there were always tales of guys who hauled pallets of Coors regular into the blighted states to the east, and sold the stuff for 5-10 times what it had cost them.
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Re: Beer
« Reply #640 on: May 15, 2023, 09:16:39 PM »
Miller Lite is "off"

it's really bad, I won't drink it

It's about the only beer I won't drink

and Bohemia is a very good beer
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Re: Beer
« Reply #641 on: May 16, 2023, 06:34:22 AM »
At baseball, they "had" Bud Light and Mic Ultra.  (At night they'd have more options, this is in the clubhouse.)  I tried a Mic and poured it out.  It's water with fizz.

I think Coors was popular in college because it was Unobtainium mostly and VERY light.  

I'm still content with Sam Adams.  If it's hot and we're both sipping we'll do Sweetwater 420.  My wife prefers lighter beers, not much hops.  I had an Indian beer the other day for lunch, 1742 or somesuch, it was decent.

I prefer beer to Champagne frankly.  My wife claims to love Champagne.  I don't.

As for "smoother and crisper", they do tend to be opposites.

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« Reply #642 on: May 16, 2023, 08:43:30 AM »
In the context of beer, I'm not even sure what "smooth" means.  I suppose a beer with little carbonation might seem smoother than a beer with heavy carbonation?  Or a beer with more sugars remaining undigested might seem creamier and therefore smoother than a beer where more of the sugars have been digested by the yeast?  Or a beer with more malt character and less hop character might seem smoother since it is less bitter and likely a little sweeter?  Or is it a reference to mouth-feel?  I'm really not sure.  I consider it sort of a nothing word as it relates to beer descriptors, because it could mean so many different things, none of which are particularly related to the style of beer being brewed.  There are many ales-- especially American IPAs-- that are so bitter and biting that I don't consider them smooth at all.  And there are many lagers-- like a Czech pilsner-- that are so beautifully balanced between malt and hops, that I consider them to be extremely smooth, while also being very crisp due to the nature of a lager.

Crisp, I get.  Lagers are fermented cold with "bottom-fermenting yeasts", that process is called "lagering" hence the name "lager" for this style of beer.  Ales are fermented at warmer temps with a "top-fermenting yeast" and since you don't have to keep the wort cold while it ferments, ales are a lot more common among home-brewers, especially novice ones.  This difference in the specie of yeast results in a very different beer-making process, and a different product.

Here's an excerpt from the internet that describes "crispness" with respect to lagers:

Lager Yeast, Saccharomyces pastorianus, is a bottom fermenting yeast used for brewing lager style beers. It is physiologically distinct from the top fermenting (so called because it forms a thick foam at the top of the wort during fermentation) ale yeast S. cerevisiae in its abilities to ferment at cooler temperatures and to ferment the sugar melibiose. Lager yeast also typically ferments more of the sugars than ale yeast, leading to a crisper taste.

https://beerandbrewing.com/dictionary/3UQVYHa3Gu/

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Re: Beer
« Reply #643 on: May 16, 2023, 09:00:11 AM »
With wine, my term for "smooth" would be "round", I think, as opposed to crisp, especially with whites.  Cali Chardonnays figured out the American (female) palet likes roundness, which means buttery and oaky (and they of course went off the deep end with it).  A "rounder" palet to me means something that lingers.  A crisper wine has an immediate impact and then disappears.  

Aging makes a rounder flavor profile even with reds.  I think of really good wines as being those hard to describe because everything is balanced.  They aren't notable for some specific flavor easily noted.  Maybe this applies to beer, I'm not sure.  I think more malt/less hops as noted would be "smoother" (or rounder in my parlance).


 

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